Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Apparently Dave Grohl has become the drummer for NIN. And the band is currently at work recording a new album due for release later this year. That being said will Robin stay w/ G'n'R or go back to NIN?

Here is the article. (it doesn't mention Robin though)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040713/music_nm/music_grohl_dc_2

I think Robin was only ever a tour member anyway about 7 or 8 years ago. Trent Reznor plays most if not all the instruments on the NIN albums.

Yes but following an album bands usually tour and if its coming out later this year (CD is also supposed to come out later this year then G'n'R would tour as well) and Robin already left G'n'R a couple years ago to tour w/ NIN

From the article it sounds like Trent's going for more of a band thing (Grohl is replacing a drum machine for this album), so if Robin isn't invloved now, then he probably won't be involved later. Just a guess.

I bet Trent doesn't want him anyway, wrong or right. Probably thinks the association with Axl would taint his stuff.

Should be interesting to hear this NIN album. I love Grohl as a drummer... him with Reznor should be interesting.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if NIN record came out before CD! People refer to Reznor's delay between these albums as a long one (Fragile came out in 1999, same year as Oh My God)....

...Axl owns that competition though! He's managed to fill 13 years with no new material (save OMG, an incomplete track). That's gotta be some kind of record for a reigning pop/rock star.

I've always loved his drumming. It would be nice to hear him on the album, but I doubt Grohl will ever tour as a drummer. He did lay the tracks down for QOTSA, but didint tour. It will be nice to see NIN with Grohl

Don't think robin will be going back to NIN, trent said before that version of nine inch nails is over.. of course, things change.

Not in the least. I totally expect it to come out before CD.

i seriously hope dave grohl doesnt join NIN. dave grohl sucks arse. NIN dont. it would be nice if robin stuck with guns too.

???

How do you figure?

I dont think its incomplete but they have changed it up at Rio.The intro is much better at rio...


Speaking of RIo...I just watched it the other night. I havnt seen it in aswhile. What a fukin show!. FOr any1 who doubts this bands chemisty or passion on stage, please do youself a favor and go wathc that tape. Axl and the whole band gave 1000% THey all jammed together and were laghing. What a fukin show. That is how I got into new gnr, now I know why. When I first saw that tape back in 2001 I was amazed. Everytme I watch it I gain more and more love and appreciation for this band....they fukin rock......

not sure if trent would ask him to tour or not, but in the past robin has said that no matter what, if trent called upon him, he would be there.

The link doesn't work. Is Dave joining NIN or is he just recording the drums of the new album?

I heard he will be/or already drummed on 2 tracks. Since the link doesn't work, it's unclear if his role has been changed to the drummer for this whole album...

Idoubt he's joinging NIN, afterall he still has his Foo Fighters band, and he has his other side project Thats hard rock 70's sounding band. (forgot the name) I couldnt see Grohl in it for any long haul. I think he just enjoys playing drums on albums.

No, just doing some studio work..

On topic, I have to think if Trent asked Robin and Axl had no album release date or tour plans in sight, Robin would be off like a prom dress for a NIN tour.

He's done it before, he'd be crazy not to this time around if the situation presented itself.

Slightly off topic but, Does anybody know if the respect and admiration Axl feels towards Trent is reciprocal?

I never heard of Reznor saying anything good or bad about Axl so one would guess he's indifferent.

Have to say you're right...Robin's been patient, but if there's no plans out there and Tommy, Dizzy, and Brain are still doing their own things, he'd be crazy not to.

I thought even Axl said it wasn't finished. That it was like a demo. My memory gets worser and worser, but I'm pretty sure I've seen words to that effect posted here more'n once.

The link works, you have to cut and paste the entire link into your browser.


I thought it was interesting that the Exies were mentioned here. I once met a guy Noelle Golden that helped produce and mix their first album. I met him on the plane and we talked about music for 8 hours, incidentally he gave me their CD before it was ever released.

Anyway, he told me all about the Axl recording sessions, how they went on all night, how he knew people who worked on it etc. Not much that we dont know already (as a point of reference, he said Axl had spent 11 million on the record at that point, what are we up to now,13?).

He also told me about the Velvet Revolver idea before it became widely known. Some of the ideas before Weiland were in the band were to have a female singer or KID ROCK as the lead singer doing old GNR tunes with Slash, Duff, Sorum etc. That would have been pretty cool.

Back to this thread- do we know of anybody ever looking at RUMBO RECORDING or whereever it is Axl is making this record? It was mentioned in the Rolling Stone article back in 00. Anybody live near there that sees Axl coming and going or anything? Obviously they arent going to have a webcam like NIN, but it would be good to hear something. We dont even know if Axl is working on the record!

Long first post I know, I have been lurking for a while. The Exies reference made me think about all of this.

Ironic isnt it,the break up of GNR was caused by Axl wanting to make music just like trents music

 :nervous:  I would have died a thousand deaths if they picked some female singer to sing old GNR tunes.  Then again it would be funny as hell to make her sing Its So Easy.


That'd be a riot.  Although I remember from some interview Axl saying that he passed out when trying to write the lyrics for Coma.  So maybe the webcam wouldnt be much fun after all.  

As far as I know (it iswn't much) the new NIN won't have guitars or bass. My poor english don't let me explain better, sorry.

Ironic isnt it, that people who have heard or worked on the album have said, it sounds more like afd ...but its ok keep thinking Axl is on a techno binge....

I don't think Axl broke up GN'R,everyone knows that GN'R self destructed,the original GN'R that is.Anyways,I'm not sure what Robin would do,I think if he knew that GN'R wouldn't be needing him,that he would tour with NIN if he was asked byTrent,we can only wait and see. :peace:

I think Robin wants to be IN A BAND, If he could tour with Trent and come back to GnR HE WOULD.

IF GnR is getting close to finishing and maybe touring he wont leave. Sense he will be on CD and wont be on Trent's Cd.

"We are tentatively mixing the record in October and tracking, treating and thinking from now until then. That means the record comes out early 2005, and we will tour extensively worldwide to support it.

"Who's in the live band? Don't know yet. - Trent Reznor




/jarmo

First off, of the 5 songs we've heard so far which one is the one that sounds like it belongs on AFD?? Ya, I see your point the 2 synth players are just there to fill space on the upper corners of the stage....they aren't playing any music wth a techno feel.

Why can't everyone listen to Younggunner, and understand that anything you say to criticize the band is wrong..........

And who are these people who have heard "CD"?????

Back on subject:

Whats stopping Robin from doing a US tour with NIN? Obviously he has alot of free time on his hands. Also as far as Trents concerned it's just a touring band, I don't think he would be against Robin doing a leg of the tour and then leaving to rejoin GnR when he's needed to re-record guitar parts (or tour, but lets be realistic)

Im not saying they could be right off AFD. ALl im saying is that Cd will be more rock/guitar based than people think. Its not going to be a NIN album. DO you know what those sound like? They dont sound like the new songs at all.

Some of the new songs have some elements of industrial/techno but that is not the foundation of the song. Maddy, BLues, CD, RHiad sound techno to you? Even OMG is towards the rock side. That song has the most industrial elements.

Theres a big misconception that Axl "broke up " the band because he was in love with techno. Thats bullshit. First off he didnt break up the band, but thats for another thread. As for the industrial stuff, yea Axl likes that music and wants to include that in his music. He has always loved bands like NIN, White Zombie, JA, etc from even before these bands got big. BUt that doesnt mean he will forget his rnr roots. Why cant the foundation be rnr but include different element of different genres and work in a very special way? And still sound liek gnr.

Does that mean the songs are automaticlly industrial?

NOt at all. There are many times the band, particularly Axl deserves critisim. But this isnt the case with this topic. Your telling me how that axl broke up the band because he wanted to do industrial/ techno, now that "fad" is gone and isnt that ironic. ANd thats bullshit.
Whats ironic is that CD will kick your ass becuase its rock based and overall it will have many different elements of many different things and blend in a very special gnr way. Thats ironic.


The peopel who have worked on the album. ANd if you go back and read the band interviews from when they were on tour they talk about songs and the sound of CD. ;)

I didn't say they sounded just like NIN either....I was basing all of this on you saying: "Ironic isnt it, that people who have heard or worked on the album have said, it sounds more like afd ...but its ok keep thinking Axl is on a techno binge.... "

No It isn't as industrial as NIN but the new songs are very techno driven.... there are 2 synth players..... they weren't added because Axl owed them any favors. he obviously thought he needed two synth players. Last I check not too many  "rock/guitar based" bands need that computerized a setup on stage. There is nothing even close to AFD in what we've heard so far.  


Maddy and Rihad do.... When there are more Synth tracks than there are Guitar, that is the defintion of Techno.


Where did I say that???

My post was a shot at you saying that CD is going to sound like AFD, when everything we have all heard says it won't. That seems to be your argument in every critism of the sound of the new band....out of you 1300 posts I'd say that a third of them are you saying......."when is everyone going to get over this techno thing, It's gonna sound like AFD"

They arent techno driven. Maybe Silkworms and OMG. But it isnt hardcore industrial/techno. Theres elements of it but that doesnt mean its going to be the second coming of NIN.

Where did i say this is a true bluey old school rock n roll band? Just because they have synth players and effects doesnt mean it cant be rnr. And it certainly doesnt mean that its industrial/techno.

And again I never said the songs could come right off AFD. They cant and wont. The songs arent going to be about that stuff. My point is that AFD is considered rnr/guitars or whatver. People think Axl and the new band are making something totally different. And that is wrong. Im sure they have material that is "out there" but they also have material that is closer to AFD/guitars etc.

Maddy is not a nin song. I dont care if Axl uses every piece of industrial/techno equipment known to man. That song is not industrial. If you want to lable those 2 songs that fine, but lol its not a industrial song. It has elements but if thats how the osngs on CD are going to be, ill be a very happy kid.

Again, when I say it will sound more like AFD than people think, that means that in regards to all the "Axl is on a Techno craze" comments, they will be very wrong. People have this idea that the album will be like NIN or whatver. It wont. Go buy an album of theirs and then come back and tell me if any of the new songs sound liek that. Yea there will be elements of it but not hardcore. Thats my point. CD will have elements of many things but its foundation will be rnr/guitars.


Not really. Whenever the Industrial/techno things comes up I bring some peopel back to earth but other than that I havnt even talked about this topic in a long time. It has recently surfaced because of the whole new NIN album.

Axl is a visionary. He also has some major pure rnr roots. That is why I am expecting osmething in the middle rather than something from an extreme part of the scale. Its not going to be AFD and its not going to be a hardcore techno/industrial album. Its going to be somewhere in the middle, with a very special gnr touch.

Where did I say It sounded like NIN???? All I said is it is a techno driven song...If a song has more "Synth" tracks than guitar.....it is by definition Techno. How can you continue to dispute the fact that all of the songs have a techno feel.

You seem to think that I think CD is going to be the next "Downward Spiral"

Also just because Axl has/had three guitar players doesn't mean it is going to be Heavy Guitar Driven........All of the songs we have heard are far more Synth Driven..

If you played guitar you would know that the songs we have heard so far aren't as heavily guitar driven as you like to think. Chinese Democracy as a very simple riff that lasts for thirty seconds then the rest is synth with a few little 2 and 3 note fills (and that is the most Rock Guitar Driven songs theve done so far)

Im sure if you looked hard enough you could find the interview that said at the end of the Illusion tour Axl was really into NIN and said to Matt,this is what we have to sound like in the future,,or words to that effect,,maybe Jarmo could find it and show it here

I was told by someone "in the know" that Robin is totally committed to GNR from here on out. He is completely focused on GNR with recording and touring...

I like the sound of the that.   : ok: I know that cynics might say that it is just for the good paycheck, but I think that Robin could make a good living as a working musician in other situations.  For instance, touring with NIN.

The optimist in me wants to believe that Robin's commitment is a reflection of his confidence in the material they've written and their ability to be a powerful live band.  :beer:

Ali

Id totally suport Robin stepping outside his involvement/commitment with GnR to do a tour with NIN, that of course is if he is unneeded in GnR at the present time. Theres no reason to even analyze/dispute his comittment to GnR at all, I mean he's been a member for about 8 years now, so who cares if he wants to get out and perform if for the next few months GnR is on heitus.

I dont care what the definition of anything is. Im going by the way it sounds. Yea it has the elements of other genres but that doesnt mean its hardcore.

When peopel say o Axl is on a techno/industrial craze that means that he wants to do a NIN album, to me atleast. And im telling those peopel you couldnt be more wrong.

I never claimed that the songs or the album will be guitarorama. ALl im saying is that it will have a little bit of everything. There wil be industrial.techno elememts and others but the foundation will be rock n roll.

Im not disputing whether Axl even lieks that type of music or not. He definatly does. He got into NIN,White Zombie, JA etc ever before they got big or known. But Axl aslo likes Queen, aerosmith,rs, etc.
Whats wrong with adding all your influences in 1 pot and making it work? Because Slash or Matt doesnt understand or didnt want any part of industrial music we have to disregard it and take it as gospel?

Are any of the songs new gnr have done so industrial influenced that slash and matt cant do that?

All Axl wanted to do in regards to that genre is incorporate it into gnr. The same way they went from afd to the illusions. It doesnt have to be revolutionary or anything. Just keep moving on and trying different things. Whats wrong with that. Inless your content with being an ACDC,Kiss etc type band.....

Yes.

Off topic: Van Halen wanted Patty Smyth (Spelling?) before they picked Sammy back in the day. She declined and they picked Haggar.

I think it is cool to see David working with NIN. I like seeing people cross over. Reznor worked with Rob Halford at one point also.

And for the poster who said he sucked...give me a break.  ::) Remember....oh I dunno...Nirvana!!???  :o

At the end of the day has anyone heard the entire CD album? No. The songs you have heard may not even make it to the album in the end! But if it is synth driven then its not really the Hard-Rock that Guns used to be about is it.

That ended with the release of the illusions  ;)

Whether GNR stayed together or what we have now, it will never be like AFD. People grow up, people want to change, people want to be creative.......

I took this from blabbermouth.net




NINE INCH NAILS are rumored to be taking part in the upcoming Coachella Festival, set to take place April 30-May 1, 2005 in Indio, California
As previously reported, NINE INCH NAILS have set "With Teeth" as the title of their new album, tentatively due in March 2005.


If things are picking up with NIN and they start to tour do you think Robin is going to tell trent that he cant tour coz he has to wait for axl??


my 2 cents is that he will go with trent and make some money and play live again..

Who knows. He's obviously done it before... and I couldn't blame if he did. If he does- I think it's about as ominous a sign as you can possibly have that CD ain't comin' out in this lifetime.

I hadn't thought about it, but how f'n ridiculous does Axl look now for having flipped out on Robin when he "left" GN'R to tour with NIN in 1999?

Setting: LA Studio
Year: 1999

Axl: "Robin. You asshole. Don't you realize I'm going to release Chinese Democracy in 2007!??! That's ONLY eight years from now!!"

Robin:  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

For now John 5 is rumoured to be replacing Robin.

Where did you get this info?

Pandora, Please don't tell me that! I like Jonny,but please no!!

I read it in a bunch of differents places on the net, but as I said it's just a rumour for now, it's not confirmed in any way.

If it's really the case I see it as a good news for gnr next year ! I enjoy NIN but I'd rather see Robin w/ GNR than w/ NIN.

i dont see that as good news for gnr!! my god robin has been there for along time.. i hope robin wouldnt leave... if any other member quits i think its never gonna be happening for mr rose..

At the stage we're at, a good news is Robin not touring w/ NIN. Because if he does it will be bad news ...  What is not bad news in gnr world is good news ... at least it's the way I see it right now !  ;D

Robin is not going to tour with NIN. Trent  has got Mansons guitarist to tour with them (cant remember his name) So just calm down that one  : ok:

where did you read that??

Can I comment on a rumored tour, about a rumored guitarist, who may have other obligations due to a rumored album release?

You meant replacing Robin in GN'R or NIN? I'm kinda lost here... ;D Because Robin is with GN'R since 2000.

In NIN of course ;)

jordie white (twiggy)... but doesn't he play bass?

look at theninhotline.. a pic of him was also on nin.com

http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=6560&highlight=jordie+white

I don't think I'm the only one who read it "in GN'R", since he's in the band since 2000... ;) But like Rain said if that's the case, that's good news!

Well, we were talking about NIN, so I didn't feel the need to explain it further than that  ;D



Yep, looks like Jeordie is in the band too. But as you said he's a bassist. And NIN's ex-drummer now plays with Manson. That whole NIN/Manson situation is damn incestuous  :hihi:

i think that whether robin tours or not with nine inch nails is going to be a really good indicator of whether we are going to see chinese democracy anytime soon. if he does tour with nin, obviously we are going to have a very long wait still. if he doesn't, i can imagine the only reason why not is because we are going to see the album sometime by next summer.

Everything comes out before cd, I bet there's some toddlers jamming now who will have a record out when they get older before cd comes out.. :hihi:

You meant replacing Robin in GN'R or NIN? I'm kinda lost here... ;D Because Robin is with GN'R since 2000.

Robin has been in Gn'R since 1996 actually if memory serves me correctly.

Former Marilyn Manson/current A Perfect Circle bassist Jeordie White (a.k.a. Twiggy Ramirez) is strongly rumored to have joined Nine Inch Nails' touring lineup, reports Blabbermouth.net.
 
 

Two recent photos of White in the recording studio with Nine Inch Nails during the making of their new album have popped up on NIN's official web site (Photo#1, Photo#2), with one of them appearing to depict Jeordie laying down bass tracks for the CD, which is believed have a working title of "With Teeth".

Adding fuel to the speculation, Marilyn Manson stated in an interview with the New York radio station K-Rock 92.3 FM on Thursday (Nov. 18) that Jeordie was "in Nine Inch Nails now" (Audio). There has been no official statement or confirmation on the matter from any of the parties involved.
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/ramirez_joins_nin.html

WHy not just wait n see what happens..?

Upon My word!? Mike, Mark your words.? : ok:


And if it does me so as well, Wow, Robin?s been in GNR for about frigging 8 years arleady.

Hell maybe Buckethead will join NIN and start wearing all black/goth.  He's already got the white mask going, just put NIN instead of KFC on the bucket.  I don't know about Dave Grohl There Goes My Hero was a good song, but other than that does he really fit in Nine Inch Nails?

Axl is going to wait until NIN's album hits the stores so he can get some new ideas.  That meens a longer delay for Chinese Democracy. 

Actually, that was just a thought.  But shit I can see that happening.  Axl's fascination with NIN and his perfectionism?

I totally agree. My favourite part is during Oh My God.. when Axl stands with Tommy rocking!

Robin is not in the current line-up of NIN

Oh really, and can you elaborate on how you know this?

That's what been said all along. John 5 is apparently going to fill in for Robin in NIN. Robin is totally out of the loop as far as NIN is concerned.

Robin is still in guns n roses. If he wasn't, a press note would have been released telling us the other way. simple.

Yes miss!  ;)