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The December, 3, 2004 edition of Entertainment Weekly features a big section entitled Buried Treasure which features "two dozen legendary lost projects by some of our favorite artists", and look who made the list...

GUNS N' ROSES
Is there hope for Chinese Democracy

It's been 11 years sine the last album by the original Guns N' Roses, and for almost that long we've heard rumors and promises of a new one by a reconstituted GN'R (with all new member, save Axl). So far theres a title - Chinese Democracy - but now actual product. Why the delay? The band - which includes ex-Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson, and guitarist Buckethead - is under contractual obligation not to talk about the recording process, but one source (not a band member) tells us of  long days, weeks, months, and years spent in an L.A. studio waiting for Rose to show, which he actually did sometimes. (A former spokesperson says that Rose can't talk about the project until it's finished.) Back in 2003, a source close to the band hoped the CD would see the light of day "soon." - Tom Sinclair

well, Buckethead is out of GN'R so they need to proofread and edit their info before they send it to print.

Their infamous source or whatnot should pay attention to the facts

A spokeperson for buckethead said something similar after bucketheads departure,

"Rose not the one putting most effort in the production" i think the quote was something like that

could it be? Majestro axl ;D

Thanks for for the info : ok:

It's obvious they're not paying attention to what is going on by mentioning bh, they just know there's a album with a name that doesn't come out.. To think I went to see end of days around this time in 99.. :o

I love these anonynomus sources..it brings so much truth to the issues at hand.

Yea, but if the anonymous source said that Axl was working like a madman on that record and it was amazing, you'd be dancing in the streets.

I know they haven't said much to begin with, but a new article is stating that they are both under contract NOT to say anything.? Maybe that's why the only word that comes out of Tommy's mouth is soon, or the landing pad is near.? Found this article for ya....

Guns N' Roses - Is there hope for Chinese Democracy?

Tom Sinclair
3 December 2004
Entertainment Weekly
Copyright ? 2004 Bell & Howell Information and Learning Company. All rights reserved.

IT'S BEEN 11 YEARS SINCE THE LAST album by the original Guns N' Roses, and for almost that long we've heard rumors and promises of a new one by a reconstituted GN'R (with all new members, save Axl). So far there's a title, Chinese Democracy, but no actual product. Why the delay? The band, which includes ex--Replacements bassist Tommy Stinson, and guitarist Buckethead, is under contractual obligation not to talk about the recording process, but one source (not a band member) tells of long days, weeks, months, and years spent in an L.A. studio waiting for Rose to show, which he actually sometimes did. (A former spokesperson says that Rose can't talk about the project until it's finished.) Back in 2003, a source close to the band hoped the CD would see the light of day "soon."

thanks, :)

those ho write in the press should check the facts, buckethead is not in the band : ok:

hey thanks grog for the article, I agree with you Norway; damn media now a days never checks its facts; but that is interesting to read that Axl is also can not speak about the project ether until its finished; thats very weird; would that be a contractual thing with the record company, I always figured it was axl who didnt want anything said about it

I thought it was one of the most interesting articles to date.  Even Axl can't speak about his own album?  Maybe Buckethead will actually come back after all seeing his name involved with GN'R again.

"those ho write in the press should check the facts, buckethead is not in the band"

not only that, he doesn't talk! Herbie may talk but not buckethead...LOL :hihi:

I assumed that was a typo...that they meant to say that "stinson" can't talk about the
album. Why on earth wouldn't Axl be able to talk about his own CD? I can understand
why they may not be able to talk about the tour, but it's inconceivable to think that AXL
can't speak about it.

I doubt very much that there is an edict from Universal prohibiting Axl from speaking about the album...I've got a very good idea where the mandate is coming from...Just as the writer seemed to think that bucket was stil in the band, I believe he also was in error with the Axl comment...I'm thinking it should've said something along the lines of "Axl refuses to discuss the album prior to its release."l

and there it is again.......that word.......... SOON  :-X

Actually that is a back to the future soon.....we've gotten a few Soons this year also!!! 2004 WOOT WOOT.

Either way it could be a bitter ex employee, or the obvious, no album, missing studio work

1+1=2

Theidea that the group members are under contract to be into secrets is lame, maybe tommy knows everything and has been lying..

silly people.. facts dont sell magazines.. sensational bullshit does.  :hihi:

Well it was EW that gave the new GnR a good review on their first return in LV. So I can't dislike them too much. As much shit changes with the gnr camp and as tight lipped as they are, it probably is tough to get the story straight.

Sloppy on the facts, but at least GnR  gets a mention...
Any press is good press, right? :P

Haven't seen an article in a couple of months, so reading SOMETHING on GN'R is a good thing.  Maybe it's a good thing they don't talk about it.  When it comes out we'll just get an explosion of great music thrown at us.

Sloppily written- but I think they're basically just trying to say that Axl has now decided not to talk to the media at all about the project until it's done.

Meanwhile, I hope I'm wrong, but the consistent stream of "almost done's" and "soon's" we get from Stinson, Finck and Reed are sounding more and more like people complying with contractual obligations to keep their mouths shut than anything we should be getting our hopes up about. :nervous:

its never going to come out... axl needs to stop fucking with people .. he has no plans to release any album or any new tours.... i would say hes just all talk but that wouldnt be correct... he sure talked alot almost 3 years ago when he was onstage in europe throwing a fit coz they wouldnt let him sing November Rain for the 10,00000th time... 

Now Now, do like Uncle Axl said, live your life, don't stand around waiting for cd..  :hihi: Remember he doesn';t owe you anything, when it comes out it will come out, wether through death, through geffen forcing it out, or whatever.. It may be 2103, but it will come out..

WHy would someone who didn't give a name say axl doesn't show up to the studio?

For now, yes there is, but ask me again in January and I may have lost all hope. Its not going to stop me having a great christmas, but I will I have a great new year if there is something to look forward to....which is what its all about isn't it? Axl and several people say 'live your life', but some of the appeal about Chinese Democracy is the anticipation of what its going to be like...

I was thinking about this last night watching some random documentary on George Micheal on BBC 1. He was talking about how he didn't like to be in the limelight, but still enjoyed making music and wanted to try and live a life where he could do both....but then he made a comment about how he realised how important tv was in telling the world your record is out there. I wander if the record IS released, whether it will fail purely and simply because the man everyone wants to hear from (Axl), will hide away and let the others do the talking. If he is committed to releasing a serious record, I really feel he needs to start telling people a little about it, how passionate he still is about music, what its going to be like and...yes, roughly when its gonna be out.

Otherwise I feel he should just let us all get on with our lives by announcing that Chinese Democracy will never see the light of day or at least not for five years or so.

Thanks for the info. Yep, Any press is good press.

Since there?s no insider in the world of GNR, this story must be another matter for speculations.

Anyhow I always feel dubious about this contractual not-to-talk obligation thingy. Isn?t it customary for any contract to include an obligation to keep the business secret confidential in the line of duty? What?s the big deal?

One thing about this article that you can only know if you have a copy of the magazine is that there is a production date listed for each of these projects.

The production date listed for CD is 1996.

1996?  The album's title wasn't announced until '99.  Apart from Axl and Dizzy, no one in the band now was around then.

Personally, I think that undermines the credibility and/or accuracy of the tidbit on GN'R.

Ali

Good eye Ali...Certainly puts this blurb in perspective, doesn't it?

Thanks.  I certainly think it does. 

Ali

Regardless there's no info for the past nine months, and nothing really for 2 years and no album since the 90's, so even though their dates are wrong doesn't mean what was told is.. ;)

I think he at least owes a statement of what's going on these days.  Did you hear about the December 5th e-mail bomb to Interscope records in order to get some news/statement?

Yeah.

Don't.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that their info is wrong. ?I just think that when you have multiple mistakes, it can only undermine the credibility of what they report. ?It certainly doesn't make me have more faith in what they report.

I guess that a lot of it depends on your views of Axl Rose. ?I would rather believe Tommy Stinson when he tells Jarmo that it isn't like Axl has been sitting in his house watching T.V. this whole time, than some "unnamed source" who says he rarely showed up to work in the recording studio.

But, that's just me.

Ali

Oh, come on Ali how can it be just you.
In the GNR world there's no one so-called insiders, but the members. : ok:

No and it sounds Mad as a Hatter.  :no:

and the management and company-workers, soundtechs etc

some rumours has too have some truth in it

Yeah so are pure, sticky n whoever. Lucky if they hit the mark.

Then again, there is no smoke without fire. There might be something going on. Or not.

I don't understand why a reporter doesn't do some real investigative reporting to find out what the hell the hold up is.

How many times have people called axl, AXEL, I've seen drummer tommy stinson, drummer of vr doug sorum..

Nobody think she's sitting on his ass watching tv, but something has to give eventually..

Pretty funny Mr. Adz.  I wasn't planning on it just asked if you heard what was going on with it.  Hopefully people are not going to do this, it will prolong any news!

I've wondered that myself, I guess they ratrher just say teh same shit about the mystery album and never check anything out..

I'm suprised a real photo of axl hasn't popped up somewhere, it's been a real long time since the last sighting,,

There has to be one crazy papparazi whio loves gnr or axl, suprised he's not followed..

that is just so crazy :o, sextapes, spyshots, younameit-no axl :confused:

hope 2 see him outhere soon :peace: