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Well,the point of my topic isn't fight between Nirvana and Gnr(i like both band,gnr more ofcourse),the point is something which i saw on internet,tv,radio and while i was talking with people.
In late 90's everyone's listened nirvana,especialy teens,and noone cared for gnr.
But now,something change,I can see(in Belgrade,capital of serbia,2 milion's town),many kids are dresse in gnr shirts!!!
I can see the Greatest hits are selling very well,and we have many gnr shows(on tv or radio).
I think gnr comeback on mainstream and new scene

My sister(24) is the youngest profesor on Belgrade music academy(on piano),and in her teen days she was fan of grunch and Nirvana,and hated GNR.I didn't see her for 3 years,but i talked with her before couple days(and we were talking about music),and she said that now she was little blame about her listening of Nirvana,and said that Nirvana were something big in her life,but she said that Gnr were real big band and band wwhich wrote music for all time.Now she is impresed by "November Rain" and Estranged,and said that gnr are very popular ito people whose work with music profesional.

Ok this is just one opinion,but i think she is right

GNR for fuckin ever

I think a lot of teens loved "Grunch".  ;D

I'm kidding. But of course a band isn't going to be popular with younger kids if they aren't releasing any new music. Kids gravitate to whatever is popular or on the radio.  Everything goes in cycles, and if GnR is becoming popular with the teens, it will more than likely pass unless they release something significant soon.

I think Geffen released the "Greatest Hits" at the right time.

It wasn't that long ago that GN'R was the most uncool band you could like. Now it's trendy.....




/jarmo

GNR is definitly trendy again. It won't be long before we have young bands making music like GNR did and living the life of a rockstar.

Hell yeah!

Nice post rale!

I think GN'R took such a big hit back in the mid/late 90's because of (A) how much success they had and the fact that it's only natural that there will be a backlash at some point; and (B) well let's just say the boys didn't exactly endear themselves to fans and other bands with some of their antics when they were on top.

BUT at the end of the day... their music is truly timeless. AFD's reputation is secure for all-time- and I would not be surprised at all if UYI continues its gradual rise up those annual "100 Best Rock Albums" lists. : ok:

Now if Axl could just give us CD... :drool:

Great thread.  I have been looking back at some Rolling Stones and the like from the late 90's, early 00's, and it is just a Cobain creamfest.  That period for lack of a better word, sucked.

HAHA... yeah... I mean Cobain played his part and Nevermind is a landmark album, but most critics seem to give Cobain credit not only for the 2-3 great albums he did produce- but the 20 great albums that he never got to produce because he blew his brains out. They just assume that he would have cranked out one great landmark album after another. I don't think you can make that assumption- if anything, most evidence seems to indicate that Cobain felt "spent" as an artist and was laboring heavily under the pressures of rabid fans and media expectations. His next five albums could have been steaming piles of dog crap for all we know...

Anyway, the same hero-worship would have happened to Axl had he done himself in in '91.

Thank God he didn't. :beer:

Yes,but  in last ten years we have many bands whose were inspirated by Guns n roses,but mtv,vh1 and other tv or radio stations didn't put them,because Alt rock was in...
Also How can someone compare Axl's vocal and Cobain vocal,OR Slash like guitarists and Cobain.

GNR were soo huge in 1991-1993 and everyone (excepted gnr fans) hated Axl.Slash and co and wanted to destroyes the band!!
Ok band was destroyed,but Gnr music will excist forever

Speaking of the nirvana boxset, i think it's blabbermouth that's reporting that duff is very excited about the release.

and i'm very happy with Axl's colaboration with composers,because as some guy said"world weren't ready for use your illusion",now world are ready for chinese democracy.
we have apetite for destruction as legendary album,and why will axl do a copy of that?
use your illusion were best too,with lot of art in them ,but...
chinese democracy (i 'm hope) will be something realy huge

and new i guess, something we haven't heard yet

I think VR might have had a little something to do with it as well... :yes:

I still see tons of kids with nirvana shirts on, wether it be the tribute as a kid with his life numbers on it or patches.. Ever since I was in HS the tide changed, I was a freshman in 1990 and it was gnr, by the time I got out in 94 I was just about teh only one with a gnr shirt on..

If anyone went to school in that time you would be amazed how grunge knocked out rock in tshirts..

not necessarily.. i still get made fun of for wearing an sweatshirt w/ the old gnr logo printed on it.. and i especially get made fun of when i wear the new gnr shirts that say "Chinese Democracy World Tour 2002-2003" on the back..  :confused:

I agree, it does seem to be regional.   Certain cities and different countries have much more affinity to GNR than others.  But overall, GNR is considered cooler now.  And as Booker said, VR did play a role in that.  When I went to Tower Records to pick up Contraband, it was the first time I saw other people in the store wearing AFD/GNR t-shirts in a loooooong time.

It does seem like GNR is making a comeback, but Nirvana seems to be going strong, too. The world is big enough for both of them.

Yeah, I don't know where this "Nirvana went" stuff is coming from.  Their greatest hits "Nirvana" did really well, as did the single "You Got No Right".... plus they're releasing their Box set?...

A lot of stars (music, movies) wear GN'R shirts nowadays.  I've seen Justin Timberlake, Nicole Ritchie, Macauley Caulkin and some asshole from a crappy emo band all wearing GN'R shirts in the last couple weeks.  It's definetely a trend to like a "retro" band like GN'R nowadays.

Here in Holland it is definetly hip and trendy to wear a GNR t-shirt or sweater. All the trendy people in the clubs are wearing them. Seems pretty stupid to me as they are on a party that only plays that damn "house-techno-club-trance" crap.... so yeah it's trendy again....

Yah GN'R have always been trendy here. I remember when i started wearign gunners shirts everyone would be like "oh i remember them they were cool as". Maybe Grunge wasn't as hyped in Oz than in the U.S and U.K.

well,nirvana greatests hits realised in 2002,or 2001 i didn't remember,but in last two years nirvana lost in his popularity,and GNR were more more popular.

You guys have to know paralel between GNR and Nirvana
Nirvana music-is very symple and very comercial(Cobain is very bad guitarist,and bad singer)
GNR music are very different and not comercial(Slash is great guitarist,Axl is the best frontman)

And you don't get it my point...
Ok everybody listened Nirvana since 1993-4,but why?
you had many and many shows abiut nirvana in these days,and nobody weren't talkin' about GNR!!!
But now,when some kid listening AFD and Nevermin she or he said"Nevermind is good,but AFD or UYI that's fuckin great,man"!!!
My point is "gnr were be blocked in these days"

yes people got more and more fed up with the rock scene and all this alternative rockers or whatever to call the had their fifteen min until rap, hiphop and britney took the leader seat

now gnr is reloaded and rock is getting more and more mainstream again

So iron is hot now.
The Tide turned in their favour. It lasts for a while till next wave breaks.

Somehow I have a feeling that they are up to something beyond the evanescent trend, unlike VR.

me2 can't wait to hear the second album axl talking about :o

Couldnt agree with you more!! Good Shout




Same here!!

Well I became a fan in '99/00 and when Live Era hit, I bought all the t-shirts, but when I went to school just north of Toronto, alot of people laughed at me and made fun of me. But low and behold, by the time I left high school, everyone was Slash this, Gn'R that, Sweet Child this, Welcome To The Jungle that.

So I believe it all works in peaks and valleys, trends so to speak. I liked them when it was not cool, and they were basically a joke. But I think the music outlasts any riot or trend or misconception about the band. When this supposed revival of garage rock or rock in general occurred, its nice but in the same sense anyone who would listen to a classic Gn'R record would know that this new revival pales in comparison to the original, innovative bands of past generations.

I just personally think Gn'R is finally being recognized as a band on par with Zepplin, Sabbath, and other great bands. I mean Nirvana gets way more recognition for its contributions than Gn'R ever did from the general media. Like everyone has said, they were literally forgotten during the mid to late 90's, what they had accomplished basically erased from time. But now all that recognition is finally being given to them. That's how I see it anyways. 

this is story:
in the 1992 and 1993 mtv,vh1,all radio station talking about Nirvana but Guns n Roses had stadiums shows

what is this:
NIRVANA-album name "with the lights out"

Nirvana is up there because of all the media supporting them.

GNR is up there without the support of the media.

You do the math.

Chinese democracy will be one of the best albums in the popular music history and one of the reasons that it was delayed so many times is the subject that we are talkin about - there must be the right time to release it so it can get attention that deserves.Good thing about it is that as time goes by it only can be better.I mean - think - Rose didn't deliever almost anything for almost 10 years - it will be prefect.It will be outrageously beautiful  :hihi:

Nisam znao da ima toliko fanova u Bgd-u - it's nice to know : ok:

hahahaha
yes chinese democracy will be something special

Ma ima ovde dosta fanova gnr,a odakle si ti

That was beautifully said.  Thank god that horrid late 90's early 2000's era is over.

I am almost glad that the cd they working on didn't come out in 96.  The hype wasn't there.  It would have been kind of a lost treasure.  Also, now they they never did release that cd, the hype for CD becomes that much more.  The last cd of original material they had was a huge success.  That CD in 96 would have sold modestly, and thus taken away some of the mystical qualities that have been given to Axl/CD.

yes man,in 1996 everybody would talked shit about album.
in 2005 chinese democracy will be a revolution

Hmm... I'm sensing loads of Nirvana hate on this thread... personally, I have nothing against Nirvana except for ONE thing, because although I am a Nirvana fan, I'm a Gn'R obsessive fan, and all the music that came after Nirvana lacked all the rockstarness of the music before, and that's how we ended up with emo shit like Good Charlotte and all the shitness of the late 90s.
But.... its even shittier that the fucking music tv channels were ONLY playing grunge. There are so many different kinds of music, that there should be a seperate music channel for each genre. Like, grunge and alternative on one channel, emo and pussy pop rock on another, goth metal on another, and then hard rock on another. The music tv world would be a better place, although people would watch way too much tv then and become couch potatoes...
Anyhoo, I can't wait to hear CD, and I guarantee, the MOMENT its out in the shops in England, I'm gunna be the first one in the store! Good thing it wasn't out in 96 because I was at a really shitty point of life as a 10 yr old with no access to good music (the only thing I could listen to at that point was the shitty music my parents listened to). I only managed to listen to rock music through watching Kerrang (when we finally got Digital about 5 yrs ago) and Scuzz. Aaaand that's how I got into Guns N' Roses.
Yea!
Oh shit... sorry, I went off on one. I just wanted to say that although there's plenty of reason to, don't hate Nirvana. They weren't bad, they just changed music for a bit, but the rock star style is COMING BACK!! Even though it will probably never be as good as it once was.... :'( ITS STILL COMING BACK!!
Oh bloody hell! Just ignore me, I'm being stupid. I'm tired, and I'm at college, and I've just finished a really annoying painting that I had to paint a STUPID paisley pattern on!! GAH! *runs away to get brain together and stop rambling*

i started to listen gnr when i was kid.
when i was teenager i liked nirvana(and many different things)
now in my 20's i like gnr and i i can see that gnr music more and more authenticialy and better than nirvana

I always hated Nirvana because everybody loved them, and hated GNR. I was into GNR since 88, I was only 8-9 years old but I played Paradise City and Used To Love Her all day long. And became even a bigger fan in the years to follow. And then I went to high-school where everybody was dissing Axl and praising Nirvana. I hated them for years, untill 3 years ago I gave them a shot and bought the Unplugged album. It sucked big time, I couldn;t tell the difference between all the songs, and the only thing I found good was the David Bowie cover of "The Man Who Sold The World".....

Yes I like SLTS and CAYA but they are just not as good as GNR and what I hate most is that they killed the human instinct of creating a goal and reaching it. They killed that fact that you could enjoy your succes. They stood against everything I like. And they started the ERA of music where singers like Thom Yorke are seen as cool. What the fuck is up with that?

Enjoy being a man, stop whining about being succesfull. I don't like Bon Jovi but he said it right when he said that all the whining singers should get the fuck off the stage if they don't like being succesfull. And leave the stage to people who love being on there.

Agree with you man,but i think that's all that facta about grunge"how they don't like succes", are ballshit.
Velver Revolver is the best excample for this,and how scott don't like succes!!!

Neither GNR nor NIRVANA exsist anymore (unfortunatelly).
Nither do SNAKEPIT nor SMASHING PUMPKINS and that is the end of the discussion. :)

GNR still exist. Nirvana don't, if Nirvana were still around (well, Kurt Cobain anyway), they probably wouldn't be as famous as they are because Kurty wouldn't have shot himself. That is the only reason why they call him 'influencial' and call Nirvana 'innovators of grunge' (which was said on MTV yesterday).

GNR and Nirvana weren't the only 2 bands in the world during the early '90s, there were bands like Pantera, and Metallica that had their Black Album in 1991 (which was by the way (whether they 'sold-out' our not) a million times better than that garbage 'Nevermind').

It makes me sick how Cobain gets his assed kissed to this day, for example, in our Religion lessons at school they use Kurt Cobain as an 'influence' of suicide, (which is pretty pathetic).

Kind of... :-\


(Sigh)

Either youre intentionally wrong, or youre just not familiar with the scene back then.? They call Kurt influential because he was, and still is.? Ive seen members of many (if not most) new bands cite Nirvana, and Kurt specifically, as an influence (and its not just because he shot himself).? And yes, Nirvana was influential back then as well (which would help explain the nearly 8 million records they sold before Kurts death).? They werent alone (the other 3 big Seattle bands were also very influential), but they were at the forefront, and that fact was recognized before Cobains death.


Actually it didnt even sell twice as much as "that garbage" Nevermind.? At the time of Neverminds last certification (1999), Metallica had only sold 2 million more copies.? So to say it sold a million times better is kind of stupid, wouldnt you agree?


Hmm...Im assuming youre still in high school, which would clarify my earlier comment.?

In 1994, Cobain was an influence in many young peoples lives, including their thoughts on suicide and depression.? And acknowledging that fact isnt what Id call "asskissing"...Just another one of your many mistatements.

well in 1993 nirvana were everywhere(tv,radio...) but gnr were so big(1993 gnr had more than 30 sold out stadiums show).
Nirvana weren't

Oh man, I guess the whole Guns N' Roses vs Nirvana thing is STILL going on, even after all these years! Jesus Fuckin' Christ, why can't people just stop saying "I'm gunna hate this band because this guy from this band hates that band and the other guy from that band that I hate" that's just stupid. Personally the only reason people do that IMO is because IF perchance they happened to meet the person that they have started hating the other band for, they think that band member will instantaneously start liking them and being their friend, when IN FACT, SO many people do this that it just gets boring, and the person won't want to listen to this fan yabbering on and on about how he or she hates this other band.
MORAL OF THIS POST: Axl probably doesn't care that you don't like Nirvana and/or Kurt. In fact, he would be more likely to just tell you quite coldly that he doesn't appreciate people who badmouth the dead, and (maybe, this is just a hunch) that it was never Kurt he hated, it was Courtney.
Then again........ you people may just not like Nirvana... fair enough. If you're one of those, just ignore what I just said.