Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Great. More "evidence" that GN'R is gearing up to conqueor the world... :nervous:

Well to be fair there was never any rumors or speculation of anything happening in december..

I want him to do a show so we can read some new interviews..

Why? So he can tell us how great CD is and how it's going to blow us away and that next year is the year... ::)

This is brutal news. No way Stinson goes on tour if Axl is getting close to starting-up the GN'R "machine" and the oft-promised 2.5 year world tour, etc.

If anyone does get the chance to talk to Stinson... I say it's time to take the kid gloves off. Maybe he or Reed can relay the message back to Lord Vader... er I mean Axl... that the masses are OFFICIALLY TIRED OF THIS SH!T. :rant:

Sorry Jarmo. Back to the topic at hand...

If u read the last Tommy Interview Jarmo posted! Then u might get a clue! Tommy says that he will prob. be on tour when Chinese Dem. will be released! So there is no need to cry! I see this as Positive news!

That's not true.

I used to be just like you guys... but sometime we all need to get it through our heads (irregardless of what Stinson or Reed say) that band members heading out on solo tours is not a GOOD THING when it comes to demonstrating that a record is close to completion, ready to be toured on etc. How many times have we been through this the last five years?? 20? "Axl will just give me a buzz and I'll shut down my tour, etc." Funny- they always seem to complete their tour. The best news in the world would have been no more news on Mr. Stinson's solo career. That would of at least given some evidence that their asses where in rehearsal or that they were listening to BH replacements with Axl, etc.

Guranteed. The next nu-GN'R announcement on this site will be new Hookers N' Blow (or whatever Reed is calling it these days) tour dates. Can't wait.::)

Again. My apologies Jarmo. Return topic to origninal discussion. :beer:

actually i think you're a minority on this one pal. ;)

:coffee: To be honest,  I?m so fuckin officially tired of these negative shits. I mean I would be bloody embarrassed if I were the one who said things like this....... ignorance is not bliss, lets alone pessimism.
Don?t be afraid of disappointments, my hearties. You won?t lose anything. Have a ball.

PS: GNR is a billion light years away from the grip of the dark side. Stop casting a dark pall over the galaxy.

These are exactly the kind od negative comments I was on about in the thread I started yesterday about negative people!!! Why???

Maybe you should ask Jarmo why he allows the continuas insulting of Axl/GnR and us the people who support them on his board. I believe in freedom of speech, but when the only motive is disrespecting and insulting the band and us, the fans, it gets tiresome.

Stinson and Reed sure do have a lot of time for their solo careers. 

Sure you don?t have any time to pitch a bitch. : ok:


 :D estranged33, chas, no worries, mates!
I believe Mao just had a bad day and consumed himself with aggravation.
Or, perhaps he was consumed by evil a bit but he?ll be OK and bring back his humanity.......

I find it hard to get into any of their solo careers when all we want is some gnr music..

I was reading an interview where he mentioned going a year to a year in a half with gnr, then he seemed to say in between he would find time for his career.. I think this guy is to worried about his own solo career then gnr..

here's the exact q&a

There's going to be a Guns tour, then?

I think that Guns will go out for probably at least a year, a year and a half, that's the usual tour cycle for a record like that. And in between I'll probably be doing tours with my own shit.

Don't attack Tommy for touring with his solo stuff. It's just projection. Blame Axl 'he has a masterplan' Rose for not completing the album. In that case his employees wouldn't have time for touring with their albums. At least Tommy, Dizzy and Brain are playing around the world (or in Hollywood) while the other guys are doin' nothing. Ooops, I forgot that Finck is taking dancing lessons.  ::)

GN'R is Axl's solo project now, like it or not. He decides what'll happen in GN'R's world and when. And then he changes the 'plan'. I feel sorry for him ruining such a beautiful career.  :(

Yeah I guess I just get annoyed and all, just sucks that tommy has been in gnr since 98 and is so unsure about everything.. "landing pad is near".. I wish he would just say I have no idea what's going on if you want any real info find axl..

Sometimes he's sincere about GN'R:

The Perfect record is finally coming out, but does Axl Rose plan to release Chinese Democracy in his lifetime?

We don't have a release date right now, but I'm out of the loop. I'll probably hear about it on CNN. That's also where I'll hear about the next tour.

http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_09.09.04/music/qa.html

Tommy-threads gets always hijacked :P

I know he cares, I just wish he was able to say something that was definetly happening..

Well I said how I felt, now I will just stay out and let the tour dates or whateevr else be added..

"Fuck off."                                                                                             -------Tommy

"To any naysayer out there, I say, 'Fuck off.' I?m totally into it, and I?m definitely happy to be involved with Guns N? Roses."
"pigeonholed"                                                                                       -------Tommy

"You know it's all part of a thing of not being pigeonholed. I'm becoming my own renaissance man. I'm fucking doing everything. And I like that; it takes the heat off of any one aspect and also keeps you creative and keeps you open to things. It's been really great for me. "

And you sure have a lot of time to whine constantly. Is that all you can do? Whine, bitch, complain? I don't know man, have a drink, you'll feel much better.
It's just amazing that you can't create a new thread without someone like you ruining everything. If you're not interested in this topic, just ignore it.

Dear, I know you are not this rude. You're just having a bad day. Sometimes it happens.  :yes:

What's wrong with being an employee? Matt Sorum was an employee in GN'R, Gilby was an employee and Dizzy was an employee during the UYI tours. So what? Since Axl's new guys aren't members like Axl is or Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven was, they are employees. I'm an employee in my school, too. So what?  ???

And GN'R is really Axl's solo project since he decides who's in and who's out and what'll happen or won't happen in GN'R's future. The others are paid for their contribution. So what? Ozzy has his solo career, although he doesn't call it Black Sabbath, but Zakk Wylde and the others are his emlployees and Ozzy (or mostly Sharon) decides what'll happen. It doesn't make Zakk & Co. worse or better musicians. What's wrong with that? Zakk @ Co. are surely really involved with Ozzy Osbourne Band, although they make solo records. Ozzy doesn't have too much to do with the music, and sometimes he doesn't even write the lyrics and not cretited for songs on his own album! Ozzy Osbourne Band is a band, but Ozzy is the band if you know what I mean. Guns N' Roses is a band, too (or at least they'll be), although Axl is Guns N' Roses (now). I don't understand why are you so fixed on this 'It's not Axl's band' thing. You can't argue with facts.  :yes:

GNR is NOT Axl`s solo thing! Tommy has made that clear!
But i guess he is the only one who havent got a sideband......

Listen- I'm as huge a nu-GN'R fan and Axl supporter as there is in the world. Maybe I did just have a bad day yesterday. I've got nothing against Stinson or Reed personally- they're fantastic musicians and real assets to the band. However, I'm fed up with everytime there's "news" in the GN' R community- it's always some pot shot coming from VR, or tour dates for Camp Freddie, Adler's Appetite, Gilby Clarke, Hookers N' Blow or Tommy Stinson, or some list the old band got voted onto... WHERE THE FVCK IS THE NEW BAND?!!??

I don't know- but seeing Stinson hit the road for another tour just about sent me through the roof last night. I'm not angry at Tommy- hell, who can blame him. I'm angry at Axl. I think even the most die hard Axl Rose fans (which I consider myself to be) have a right to be. That Loder interview after OMG is more than 5 YEARS OLD and still NO CD- and now all evidence is that he's pretty much told the band not to worry about GN'R anytime soon. What are we supposed to do? Throw Axl an f'n parade? Go around stapling Chinese Democracy Starts Now Motherfvcker fliers all over town... The fact is- the monstrous GN'R fan machine that was around in '93 has been gradually whittled down to us couple thousand Axl Rose fanatics- and he uses us like a $10 whore on the sunset strip.

Speak for yourself, please!  Axl doens't use me.  I'm also not sitting around waiting for the album to come out either.  I'm a huge Gn'R fan, and an even more dedicated Axl fan, but, I'm not sitting around waiting for Chinese Democracy (or any other album for that matter).  If it never gets released, I can live with that. 

To Quote Axl himself:
I'm not waiting for Jesus either.
 

I guess when they finally tour it will be a band..

I just want to know why axl is the ONLY person that could give an explanation of any truth about anything.. Not one guy outside of him can give you one piece of evidence that they know anything about any upcoming things we as fans are waiting for..

I think a band who is yet to make their bebut album available shoud be making sure the album is 100 percent done before they are out doing stuff for themselves.. They want to show you they are the real deal and that gnr is coming back, but every piece of info seems to show that they are all apart and everyone is clueless about anything involving the band..

Buckethead was responsible for so many things and they couldn't release the album because he hindered their progress, yet axl said this would take recording to a new level and these guys have been touring so soon after he announced the rio 4 statement.. Now if there was so much more to do then why did dizzy get to tour, why did brain team up with an ex new gunner, why did tommy have time for an album and how many months now of touring?

Now if this seems like a tight nit group of players then I'd hate to see a band apart.. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm just saying how it appears ,how it makes me feel to see these guys doing so much outside of gnr when they seem to blame others for everything taking so long.. They have all teh free time in the world, but they still don't have ONE album..

DOn't say you don't care because new gnr is nothing without any material.. 5 boots is less then one song per year of how long they've been together..

Tommy says he's done with his parts, now if only axl gets his finger out...

He uses us? Sorry I don't feel like I'm being used. Did he tie you up to a chair and tell you "wait for me, don't do anything with your life until I come back and above all don't ever listen to the hundreds of bands that make records every year?".
No he didn't. If your whole life revolves around the release of one album then it's your problem I guess. When you're really sick of waiting you can leave the board. Axl probably won't care and rightfully so.

If Axl isnt happy with Chinese Democracy he should scrap the songs, and start writing all of the music himself. Instead of relying on BH, Stinson, Dizzy, Fortus to write for the band.

Then have someone help with writing lyrics around the music he created. This is an Axl solo project. Everyone will be more interested in the music thats created-not so much Axl's lyrics. Im not sure Axl knows what to talk about over BH and Fortus, and Stinsons unusual music. Hes good on the piano so he must have some decent writing ability?

Axl will get the respect he feels CD deserves if hes writing all music and melodies.

Yea I know because in order to be a band you have to tour.

Your lame checklist of what a band is or isnt is getting boring

for the friggen millionth time....

THE MEMBERS OF GNR HAVE COMPLETED THIER WORK ON THE ALBUM. THEY AR ENOT NEEDED. 1 more time, THEY ARE NOT NEEDED. Meaning they are FREE ?to do whatevr the hell they want until AXL FINISHES HIS WORK ON THE ALBUM OR DOES WHATEVER HE HAS TO DO WITH THE LABEL OR WITH YODA OR WHOEVER. ANd when AXL RINGS THE BELL AND SAYSD LETS GO BOYS, the members will be there ready to FINALLY play thier own material and tour the land.

I know you wnat thi sband to be the perfect band and come from the gutter and eat dinner togetehr and go to church togetehr...but i hate to break it to you...its not the case. So if you cant get over it, move on. Just move on. We all know you want to just hear the material. Guess what so do I and so do we. Either wait or leave. Its quite simple. Many have gien up and left. Theyll be back. So can you. Or just stay and watch the soap opera unfold.

When they hit the top all the hardache and frusterations will be thta much sweeter...

Are you sure BH, Dizzy, Fortus and Stinsons music can take GNR to the top? I dont think Axl is convinced their the right band anymore.

They absolutely can...

why would you think Axl isnt convinced?

Im in the party of the unhappy GNR fan who doesn't really care about the solo careers of the GNR members (except that of Axl's).
Im happy that Axl hasn't held them hostage and that he's allowing them to live their lives after locking them up in a studio for 5-6 years (1997-2002). But it has been 2 years since (2003 & 2004) and there's no signs that anything is happening.
I live through the memory of the old GNR, and these days im rarely posting messages because there's very little going on. I don't take anything seriously anymore from nu-GNR until a tour/appearance/album from them proves me otherwise.

Meantime, Im still loving that VR record. SuckertrainBlues kicks fucking ass!!!!

MNR

I know Tommy is convinced they're the right band more than ever. So go figure.

 :D Let me excerpt some more from Tommy (Thanx Pandora n Jarmo) with regard to a damn right band :headbanger:

Q: What do you feel about the fact that this is an entirely revamped thing? Guns I mean.

"That's actually the reason I joined. I talked to Axl aboutwhat he wanted to do with this thing. It's never been done before, where the singer keeps the name while the other guys fucking quit. Just knowing what his goals were for the whole thing that I thought 'This is probably the ballsiest guy I've ever fucking played with, so I'm in."

Q: How much can you talk about what?s going on with Guns N? Roses?

"Because I?ve been working on my record, I?m kind of out of the loop at the moment (August). I can tell you that when Chinese Democracy comes out?and it will come out because it?s almost done now (August)?we?ll be touring behind it, and I?ll be fucking first in line to get back on board. It?s a good gig. I love Axl, and we have a really good thing going. Whether or not people buy it is the fucking $60 million question, but all I know is that we?re all proud of it and had a good time doing it?and also some troubling times doing it?but it was fun as shit. People always feel compelled to say to me, ?Dude, are you stoked to get a paycheck?? If it were about that, I?d be an asshole. It?s never been about just getting a paycheck. I put a lot of work and heart and soul into it just like everyone else and got a great deal out of it. Axl has been more than supportive of me making [Village Gorilla Head]. To any naysayer out there, I say, 'Fuck off.' I?m totally into it, and I?m definitely happy to be involved with Guns N? Roses."

Q: I think naysayers are just befuddled that you?re in Guns N? Roses. I think they?re baffled at the combination and how it came about.

"That?s cool. I?ve come across a lot of people who give me, 'Dude, what are you thinking?' Then I have to explain it. At this point, I?m kind of sick of explaining it and just feel like going, 'Fuck off.' [Laughs] These are my people, I have a fucking great time with them."

Q: Who?s easier to work with, Paul or Axl?

"Axl, by a long shot. I?ll tell you why, and I can explain this really well, actually. Paul liked to do it his way. He would hear things a certain way in his head but couldn?t tell you how it was going to happen. It would get kind of frustrating. He would have a vision and would fucking beat it to death trying to get there. With Axl, he doesn?t really have his own vision. He likes to take everyone?s two cents and throw it into the soup, get everyone involved and kind of mold it that way. Axl could really take production credit on this record because he took the best of each of us on each song and crammed it together and made it a musical piece. I can?t tell you how much I learned about collaborating with people while making the record, where Paul just kind of does it his way".

Q: It?s interesting that you say that about Axl and his vision, because I would think most people would perceive the exact opposite?that he?s got this strong vision and he?s the dictator and this is how it?s got to be.

"Paul would be way more of a dictator than Axl. Axl is more of a collaborator, maybe even to a fault sometimes. He wants everyone involved. Part of that may have come from the old band, where everyone wanted him to sing their songs but didn?t want to play the other guys? songs. It would be like, 'I?m not going to sing on your song unless you play on his song,' and then it becomes infighting and that kind of shit. That doesn?t really keep a band together. On the new record, everyone?s got a bit in there, their part of a song. It lends itself to us feeling a part of the whole record."

Damned if such a work is called solo.That?s a friggin band effort with Axl as a producer.  :headbanger:
You can't argue with that.

Because Axl's had the music for a few years and hasnt done much anything with it.

Just my two cents, but why are so sure that it's Axl fault/decision the fact that CD isn't out?
I believe the record company has a important role in it.
Remenber that he said in some interview that they didn't get that much help from de Record comp? At the time I was surprised, for what i've heard they invested milions, well if they did i weren't they doing everything possible for that "thing" see the light of day?

This tours from D and T, are a great way of indirect promotion (they only get interviewd because people want to ask about CD), and not allowing the fans base to forget the project, good or bad it will be on forums gossip colums media .....I see this as a form of preassure from the band on not letting go way, because de record company may not be that interested, LE and GH i'm sure where great financial gain with litle investment. I've got lots os friends that bought LE and GH but will not buy ?CD if it's that diferent from what they consider GNR to be.

If that shows on the estatistical revenues of Geffen, they may not be that interested on investing a boundle on something that could very weel flop comercial (their decisions are not taken on how good and inovating ?music is, not any more, but on profit previsions).

So ?i'm glad the menbers are touring with their personal projects, I've got to Know them a lot better and their music, Tommy's a great musician and song writer, we have something to talk about (other than Axl girlfirend ou plastic surgery), and the record company wont put GNR on their buget for 2030 because the fan base can suport the investmt.


February

P.s. My english suck and i spent 3 hours wrinting this, CD may be out for what I know, if it's the case please ignore this post ;D

You said it February! Great insight. See, good work always takes time but worth it. :headbanger:

So you can?t decide whether you?re out or in?
Do your pupils and their parents point at you and call you "school so-so?s employee" instead of "Mr."?
Is that the way you treat people with respect at the minimum?
I don?t think so.

Axl doesn?t decide who's out in most cases. They themselves decided to leave. Apparently he hates people leaving him. Heaven knows what'll happen or won't happen in GN'R's future.
Besides, not being an old GNR-history hand I think Izzy and Axl met Slash, Duff n Steven through ads or something.

BTW how do you know who is paying whom for a fact? ???

What I don?t understand is why you?re so fixed on this "they?re Axl?s employees and this is Axl?s solo project" thing.
Like you hate to accept this band.

Open your eyes. Lay your Ghost.

According to Stinson and Reed the album is in post production stages and the music is basically done.  What's left is vocals, layering, production, mixing, mastering and so forth.  They don't need to be around for that stuff, because it's not their job so they're out doing their own thing.  If what they say is true, there's no reason for them to be sitting around doing nothing and waiting for Axl to call them to the studio because their work for the album is finished.

words say that everything is done, mix, vocals and then the tommy interview where he says cd is been handed over for mastering (awhile back, even rumored who did it), the mastering is usually the last thing done soundwise

Given a choice... I'd rather Tommy stay in LA, help Axl pick a lead guitarist and begin band rehearsals for the "imminent world tour" we've been hearing about. But that's just me I guess...

Unless of course, the completion of the album and start of the world tour is so far off that any of the above is unnecessary at this point... which I believe is the situation we are in. So, of course, Tommy has every right to tour. Good for him. ?

If I could have one questiuon answered involving the new band I would want to know if they're in the hunt (but being hush about it) for a third guitar player, wether it's for more recording or just for touring purposes..

I just want to understand the wait, is it because they want to release it during a smaller market of competition (ie eminem and U-2 out of the initial ass kicking album sales), or because they are waiting for a third player or whatever.. ? The idea is everyone would be put to rest if that much was given to us..

You have no logic. Sorry. Axl is the boss. He decides who will join GN'R (if the candidate accepts the offer) and who'll be fired. People can live by free will, too, they are not slaves. If you still don't understand it, then you surely have some serious problems with your everyday life or just really tired.



Slash, Duff and Izzy left the band, but they were founding members. Axl fired Gilby and Matt. Freese, Finck, Bhead left, it's not clear what's the case with Tobias, but it's more likely he left, too (or were forced to leave). But since 1997 Axl decides who will play in the band and when he fires someone, it's his decision and not others'.



What has this thing anything to do with the argument? In fact Slash and Steven played together and they met Duff through an ad. Axl and Izzy played together in different bands. Once even Izzy and Slash played together before GN'R (I think in the band called London). When Axl and Izzy formed GN'R with Tracii Guns and Rob Gardner, they brought in Duff, too. Tracii and Rob left is about 3 months, and then Duff called his friends, Slash and Steven.



You are right, Tommy pays Axl's bills and sometimes Robin gives some money to Uncle Axl.



Have you read my previous post or you just quoted by random? They are employees, but nothing's wrong with that. Even employees can make great bands. They aren't members, so they are employees. Right?

You are right in some ways that I can't accept this band as Guns N' Roses. But it's the name and I can't do anything with that, although I'd be happier if Axl had enough courage or self-criticism to continue his career under his name or under a new band name.

But for me songs are more important. I didn't like most of the new songs: the vocals were great (although Axl's voice is different), the musics were not. But I love the new band because of Axl (for his talent not his personality) and I really would like to hear his material. That's why I'm here. I had a lot of better things to do than bashing bands I don't like and I'm not interested in, so I don't visit the Green Day board etc. But I'm really interested in Axl's music and I accept the musicians he chose although I don't like and don't respect the musical skills of some of them. I wanna hear Axl, not Tommy, not Finck, not Fortus, or Dizzy or Pittman or Brain or whoever is in the actual line-up.

we'll hear some more from him too, "soon",  :yes:

There's no denying it's axl's band, he has the last word involving everything, he is the person who will hire n fire.. There's no doubt about that, but I'm not saying he doesn't respect other's opinions, it's just his word is the last word and he plans everything.

If the band kept changing members and axl stayed would it really matter, I mean everyone just wants to hear axl sing again and see what he's done over the years.. WHichever way you want to think, the bottom line is everything is final by axl..

He ownes the gnr name, no one else in the group does so until each get a piece in the name then it's HIS band.

ppbebe, that was a fantastic Tommy interview you posted a page back...Can't believe it slipped by me...extremely insightful, dispels many incorrect perceptions....great stuff

Go Tommy!


Maybe these shows will help people realize how great his album is. ?: ok:


So keep whining about it, some of us are enjoying the fact that he's putting out quality music until Axl says it's time.


Oh, and since some of you still like discussing the name and how it's not a band, it has also become a Dead Horse topic.



/jarmo

Youre a good guy dude, believe me I don't want tommy to fail in any way, I hope the guy does great with album sales and his tour..

Although he might give the final stamp on a new member he is not alone in choosing the candiates. Tommy, Bucket, Brain have all joined the band due to recommendations. Axl said lets check them out, they were what he was looking for and bam, the BAND begins to form.

You failed to mention old gnr era. Did Slash and Duff send Izzy packing? Although Izzy didnt get "fired" he got fed up with Axl and left. How come Slash and Duff didnt put thier foot down right then and there if it was such a tight, contoll free band?
Do you really think Axl would have let Gilby or Matt come along if he didnt liek their playing? Lets be real.
You can say what you want about Axls need to control things. Fact is its NOTHING NEW! Did you watch BTM? Have you been following th eband since day 1? Axl steers the ship. If he doesnt liek it, its not happening. Old or new GNR.
With the new band yea it comes across as Axls solo project. But we all know its not. The only thing Axl controlls with this band is th ebusiness side. The music side,the actual BAND SIDE, its a complete BAND effort. You dig, what the fuk im saying....homefuckboy?

Thats wrong. They are a band. They are not the original band, but that doesnt mean they are not a band. I think thats what you mean ?;)
Courage? Where do I start. Lets say he did go under a new name. Are you telling me the anticipation, the comaprisons to the old band, etc wouldnt exist. If he went under a new name and still took all this time all that frusteration etc wouldnt exist?
Now for the courage thing. Hmm, arent you and your buddies the same people telling us how GNR name is in the mud/ruined etc? How did that happen? Was it because Axl has decided to keep the name despite the old members leaving, etc. ISnt that balls? To continue something that already has its place in history and instead of moving on he has decided to continue it and put his own legacy on the line. Stop with the courage stuff.
Im not saying give Axl an award for keeping the name. It was his choice. In his mind he feels GNR hasnt eneded, hence he kept the name. Either accept or go listen to VR. the "real" gnr.

Axl does not have any long term advantage with the name. All he has is initial sales. It will be the music the current lineup makes that will decide if they are legit or not. case closed.

and that is why this new era of gnr will probably never work for you. Arent you the one complaing about how this isnt a real band, yada yada yada? Then how can you sit here and say Im only here for Axl? I thought you were all about the band thing?

GNR for me is axl,robin,tommy, brain,pittman,dizzy, and fortus...and even bucket for me....thats the band. Thats who i wanna see and hear. The potential of the players combined with Axl excites me. The new songs ..all of them..excite me...the attitude of the band excites me...axl fukin rose excites me....when that album is finally in my hands I will have a complete musical effort by a band...that excites me....

YG,I'll give an honest view on that little bit I quoted.. I think axl would have less pressure ,he wouldn't have to keep trying to live up or beat what he did inthe days of gnr.. SUre a few critics would try and compare, but he could always have the last word in this isn't gnr anymore, that time has passed and this is my solo project..

Being there would be less pressure and that it would be entirely his work (of course some hired players) I think having full control without having to make others in the band happy it would go smoothly and exactly the way he wanted it, minus the gnr name and the weigth it carries things would happen smoother and easier IMO.. There's just so much opressure to live up to being he started a band with all new players and has such a great background of music to compete with..

WHen page n plant toured I didn't expect them to make a stairway to heaven, nor did I expect ozzy to recreate sabbath..Same way I don't expect vr to duplicate gnr's fame n stength exactly in muisc.. The waiting for cd has put more pressure on axl because of the cd hype, people figure it's taking so long so it better be good.. I think he would have earned more respect if he did a solo project, he always wanted to even during the gnr days..

When you go out on your own your should be given a clean slate and be recognized nowas a solo artist, bands breaj up all teh time and their great contributions are nver forgotten : ok:

I agree with everything you say except pittman, another keyboard player/sound effects type guy is a bit much to me.. Unl;ess his role will be more of a teddy zigzag then I could live with it..

Maybe Axl likes that pressure. You all amke it seem as if pressure is a bad thing. We all make it seem as if the reason cd is not out yet is because of "pressure". When it really might not be the case at all.

Why do you assume he wants a solo project? maybe he wants a band and a band atmosphere.

maybe Axl doesnt want full control. How bout Axl wants to continue the gnr legacy where it left off musically. Why is that not a possibility.

AGian if Axl was soooo concerend about the hype and expectations etc dont you think he would have folded by now? By him not saying anyhting at all and just doing whatver he is doing tells me who could careless about pressure, media, hype, expectations.

And if cd is a masterpiece then what?

why are you saying stuff we already know? We all know what a solo artist does.
Let me help you out. Axl ROse is not a solo artist. By Axl continuing on, how will old gnr legacy be forgotten? Is it the lack of Greatest Hits sales or what? Seems liek peopel are jamming to old gnr just fine

Why cant GNR have 2 great legacies? Why cant people say old gnr werew fukin great and new gnr were {whatver they turn out to be}. What if CD is better than AFD and or the illusions. Does that diminish old gnr?  To me it doesnt. To me it means I was lucky enough to follow a band that gave their fans 2 great eras of  music. How is that bad. isnt that what music is about. Making people happy etc? Or should I not accept it becaus ethere is no slash? If Duff remained in GNr would we even be having these tyrp of discussions? What I do know is that if CD turns out to be great I will have 2 great eras of music with 1 common denominator...Axl ROse  ;)


Ill foward this to Axl and tell him that next time he wants to add/take away a band member or know about the importance of an instrument that he consults you first.Im sure he wouldnt want to put too much on your plate all at once. SO ill give him the headsup

Must you be a wise ass, I don't have to like every member, I just gave my views..

I also only answered the question about if he was a solo artist that you mentioned before.. Maybe he loves pressure or maybe pressure bothers him, who knows ,it's just a take on things.. I don't know why you quoted everything like I wanted him not to use gnr, I simply addressed your if he was a solo artists statement and how I feel it would benefit him more over staying with the gnr name..
If he has the last word on everything (which he most likely does) then what would be better then an artist on their own with 100% control over eevrything with no on else to please?

I also said he wanted to do a  solo career, I read it years back .

Jarmo, I'm surprised you've moved this topic to Dead Horse. According to your logic, you could move at least half of the topics of the general GN'R discussion here. So it's nothing but censorship, although we all know you are the boss and you decide.

Edit: sorry, I posted it to the wrong section. I'd delete it, but unfortunately there is a reply to my message, so it'd make MaoAxl blame for 'hijacking' the thread. I wanted to write this to the moderation topic, but I was too passionate about misplacing the argument to Dead Horse.  :peace:

Well... it's not really Jarmo's fault- as nu GN'R consistently gives us nothing to talk about, but it's a little sad when the main GN'R message board is nothing more than 60 day old threads about Axl's plastic surgery and hypothetical cover songs you would like to see on CD. :drool:

It's too bad that this thread got relegated to the DH section as it is actually pertaining to the only current news regarding the new band- and I do feel GN'R fans patiently waiting for CD should feel strongly about the possible ramifications of Stinson going back out on tour one way or the other...

Nevertheless, I've got way too much respect for Jarmo to make an issue of it. : ok:

I edited your posts and deleted some didn't I?

So it must be censorship.? ?::)


You people couldn't even let something positive be, you had to turn it into a "it's not a band" thing. A thread about three Tommy Stinson shows!

If you really love the topic of "it's not a band", I suggest you spend more time in the Dead Horse section.

Oh, maybe you'll be interested in the "Axl owes me an album" discussions in this section as well.


Have fun!




/jarmo

Young gunner, U rule. :headbanger:


Logic? I think it was pretty obvious?

1)They are genuine members. there I was questioning the purpose in your calling the members "employees" unnaturally n unnecessary. What is the logic of saying that? (Actually I know the answer now Ta, YG)
2) No matter how they met, both Axl and each Member decide whether to work together or not. They are still together coz they want to.

Well?you might have been too busy trying to evade the points. As for Axl?s personality, from the no-cultic kinda fans point of view, at least I can say he seems much nicer than you. That?s an impression I got from bold lines in your post. Shame on you! >:(? :hihi:

3) Axl?s band is their band like ones home is home of ones all family members. You start to discuss who own the home and that only when you want to make the family?s life difficult.?
It?s none of your concern to start with.

You don?t have to be a fan of every member but you can?t see the woods for the trees.
I?m speculating that maybe this GNR is to Axl what Led Zeppelin was to Jimmy page. :headbanger:

Yep, Pandora and Jarmo posted them in Tommy interview thread.
If you haven?t read them yet,? there are Links on page12 n 13 @ http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=16100.240
These articles gave me a rough idea of why he always put "STILL".? ?
Thorny long path it should be, but they fucking enjoy it!!!? gotta love this band. :love:


mikegiuliana, concerning solo

I don?t think I'd be more fascinated with Axl's solo than Tommy?s one. I like his albums tho.
Somehow most music I find mind-blowing n kick ass happen to be always from bands. I guess I?m not for solo sounds.  :-\
When It?s a right band, say 4 piece one, it's like 25%+25%+25%+25%=120%+XXX (I hope it makes sense). And the more different ideas they bring the better outcome they get. Differences make all the difference as in Democracy that develops things more than monocracy.?