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I have just re-listened to some guitar solos by Robin Finck and I think that he sounds too high, as if there was a problem with his guitar tone. Same for the re-recorded version of sweet child (second part of the main guitar solo) . It's not him because his guitar playing his ok, but it's rather his guitar tonality in fact. Have you ever noticed that point?

How did i get the feeling that this wasn't about robin's great tone...

There was a point in there? Holy shit, you hid it well.

what? ???

I agree... and understand what you are trying to say...

Robin's 'tone' is not to my taste.  It's not very warm, or rounded.  It sounds to me as if his guitar tone is created by amp simulation rather than Amplifiers.  I know this is not always true as he used Marshall amps on the tour.  But something about his tone is just... well, it's not my thing.  I suspect that his preamp stage is far more to do with this than anything else.

That's what I think too. I'm not a technical specialist so I wouldn't be alble to speak about amp simulation or amplifiers, but I know how something sounds good or how it could sound better. When I hear Fortus or BH guitar tone, it sounds better.? One of the best guitar tone I have ever heard in the ZZ Top one. do you know the songs "pincussion" or "gimmie all your loving"? the guitar tone sounds killer? :o
listen to that : http://www.anthonysdomain.com/music/lovin.rm
That's what I call "fuckin' Rock n' Roll" :D

I guess this topic should be in the Musician section, but anyways...
I like Robin's tone, don't see anything wrong with that. Bucket and Fortus tone, otherwise, sounds a lot more compressed and with delay, both sounds like amp simulation. So, I can't see your point.
I think Robin's tone is hot and dirty, in a non-sexual way. lol.  :rofl:

i love robins tone.  i think it adds a different feel to the song. 
i dont think you guys are making an opinion about his tone.  just how he sounds compared to slash.

You hit the nail on the head there.? He has pretty much the same set-up as Slash/ Les Paul through jcm 800 amp.? Or 900 but same difference.? On the newer songs he might switch guitar amps but he plays what looks like a Les Paul Studio with one Humbucker.? That will give you high end.? As the neck humbucker, which he is missing on the new songs, tend to add more body.? Remember, Brian May only played through a tiny Vox amp and a homemade guitar and he achieved such great tone.? I learned long ago that tone lies in the fingers, not so much the amps and guitars.

Well said. The heart and the fingers make the difference.

his clean sound is great though. the solo he did as an intro to sweet child on the 2002 tour is great.

although he plays with the las paul/marshall just as slash, the difference can be in the effects. i also play with a les paul standard through a marshall, but must times i don't use the marshall distortion, i ran my effects pedal through the clean channel so it sounds completly different.

slash barely used effects - the wah-wah, some chorus, and probably some overdrive for solos. robin must be used to a lot of effects from the NIN days.

well, the thing is Robin is Using Valve Marshall Amps, just that makes a huge difference grabaraxl, and from what i saw he wasn't using a floorboard with effects. it's just his setup on the amp, i actually like the sound. slash's sound was different. but you have to get more specific then what brand of guitars and amps each player use to get a certain sound. the difference is in the way you use it and the models they use. and then, as someone said before, the way you play also makes a huge diference on the sound you put out.

Finck is not an "elegant" player. I don't say he is a bad guitarist, he is a very good one, but he doesn't have the elegance of Slash or any other guitar hero when he plays guitar. He doesn't sound as if he put his soul in his guitar playing do you see what I mean? It's mainly a question of sound for me. He should use more distortions or just make evrything he can to sound more "rock n' roll".

I liked Finks tone and solos better than Bucketheads actually.  After watching the MSG show I realized Fink has much more to offer as a musician than Bucket.  I also realized that a lt of the Solos I liked from the recordings are actually Fink.  I thought they were Buckets.

it depends of his guitar solos: for it's so easy or Mr brownstone, it's GREAT. however, he sounds too high for sweet child, the 2nd solo of november rain and the second part of paradise city.
all the Fortus guitar solos are really great. I also think Fortus has the best guitar tone and sound of all 3.

Not to bash Finck, but he's having some serious problems with even bending. That's why he's totally out of tone sometimes.

Fortus seems to love semi-hollow/hollow body guitars.  A perfect match for rhythm in GNR.  Kinda like when Izzy used Teles

I have a question too. Sometimes when you hear him play solos, like The Blues and Sweet Childs solos, he sounds melodic and nice then all of a sudden you get a big blast of noise! What is that?

The soundmen probably has a hard time with this group.  You got Axl, 3 guitar players 2 keyboard players, and a drummer in a stadium when you're not use to the songs and everyones setup.  The sudden blast should be more suddle but basically its the soundman trying to differentiate his solo from everyone else's playing.  I feel for those guys.

Thanks for that. Its really noticeable at the end of The Blues solo at Pittsburg.

No, he only used this LP with one humbucker in Chinese Democracy. The other new songs were played with regular LPs.
I don't think is that hard to mix this new band. Some bands have more than 8 players and it doesn't sound a mess like newgnr. I guess their soundboard was custom made but the guys behind it didn't know how to use it properly.

Still doesn't negate the fact theat he does not use his tone switch the way slash does live on his guitar.? Slash for the most part used his neck pickup.? And considering that they played to half-empty arenas and the complexity of the songs, yes it's very hard to properly mic that band.

/Played shows for living.

//Had the unfortunate task of being a soundman many times.

I like Robin,he's a really good guitar player,but the new SCOM's solo was fuckin embarasing.

I honestly think that the Sherryl Crow version is more of a tribute to Guns N Roses than the new GNR version.

Robin's a good guitar player but he sounded like crap on the November Rain solos IMO.  I think replacing Buckethead will be a tall task indeed, that man is an absolutely brilliant guitarist, one of the best that I've ever heard, and he was no doubt the best player of the 3. 

I prefer Fortus. He plays with more feeling and energy. technically Buckethead was superior but he was nowhere near of Richard Fortus felling. Rock n' Roll is not a question of technic, it's a question of feeling.
yes, That's what I think too. His tonality is exactly the good one for a rythmic work in Guns n' Roses. and even when he takes the lead (solos in nightrain, think about you, rocket queen or the 1st part of NR), you can clearly hear that his tonality is the way it should be. It sounds GOOD.
listen (and look) to that Fortus guitar solo at MSG: http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/fortusthinkabout.wmv
do you hear his tonality? it really sounds the way it should sound. and you can also see he feels his solo. He is into it. He is fucking amazing I'm definitely a fan of Fortus. That guy has the potential to become a superstar.

Are u serious???  ::) :hihi:
I like him too, but I do think you like him just because he fits in your rock n' roll stereotype = badass looking. His guitar skills are really good, but his tone is not "organic" like Slash's one. Or Robin's one.
Anyways, Finck does switch his humbuckers. You may not see because his switcher is not in the same place as regular LPs,  but between volume and tone. You can see (and hear) Robin switchin to the neck humbucker the middle of his solo in The Blues (you can see that in Albany boot).
I dunno why are u all saying that Robin don't play with feeling. The guy plays with his fuckin' soul!!!

When I saw him with NIN, he seemed to be playing with his "soul", so I'll concur with the fact that he has the ability to play with his immortal element

1) Yes indeed...but not only. I'm not an obsedded of the look come on. If I like him so much it's because I think he plays with amazing energy, and feeling.
2) What? :nervous:
when I listen to Finck guitar solo in the new version of "sweet child of mine", I reallY, really don't find it "organic", but rather embarassing. However Slash's guitar tone is absolutely fantastic. and unique. 8)

Probably because he doesn't like to play SCOM.  It's obvious.  Just look at his face.  Hell, I think its boring to play and overplayed as well.  You can tell he gets fired up when they play the new songs.