Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Listen don't anyone go bashing me or anything, I just feel this way at times.. It's tough being a gnr fans these days.. I wanted to see howm others feel and if some agree or whatever.. It's just some feelings I've had and don't want anyone to flip.. I still want cd and for the band to do well..

I know alot of us have looked forward to the new album since around 1999 when axl did his interview regarding cd and oh my god with kurt loder.. Also with the shows from 2001-02..

It's almost two years ago since gnr did anything (dec 5 msg) and everything has gone bad since and it seems to just drift further away.. I know we get some info from dizzy n tommy but none of it is really concrete, and the date was pushed back from nov, to what looks like february..

My question is will you still be as into it if nothing happens by february?

Also something I've given a little thought to, ...Wouldn't it have been better if gnr was just left dead after the group broke up??Nothing good has come out of this revival and it's an entirely different lineup and it has been switched again..
To me it's like michael jordan coming back with the wizards, he should have just enjoyed the best years and the great things he accomplished and ended this chapter in his life.. Not saying music, just gnr and it's name and anything to do with it..

New gnr has been a troubled tale so to speak, nothing good has come from it.. If in 1999 it was used and went with maybe my feeling would be different, but it's 5 years later..

It would have been better if it just died in 1994 and we only had incredible memories of the group who did their last show in 93..

Now the memories (not mine just in general press, outside world) are of failed/aborted tour, two riots, trerrible hair, plastic surgery, fat, etc etc..

Axl could do whatever in music, just should have let gnr stay dead, it's not gnr anymore ,anyways..

This is just one interpertation of how I feel at times so be calm..

Dude I'm with you, at times I have thought it would be better to have some kind of closure to Guns n' Roses as opposed to this mysterious beast of an album that never gets released. Its not like I'm not listening to other stuff, there are some fantastic new bands and material out there (but I think every day you have to search harder), but still in the back of my mind there is a longing...but I'm sure this is more out of curiosity than anything else!

Still, there are twenty days left in November, and I still log in every morning praying that there will be an announcement that sets everything straight. Even a confirmed Axl sighting would some kind of comfort!

Peace bro

I'm with you too. When that fax came through to MTV saying Slash had quit, the Gun 'n' Roses name should've ended there. But it's not our choice to make so that's that, and it's also a Dead horse.

When I saw them in Toronto in 2002 Axl was so amazing and in to 'it' that I thought "this is it! Guns are back" but less than 2 weeks later GnR was thrown into obscurity again. I just try not to think anymore about a release date. "The fuckin' thing will come when it comes" I tell myself, but yet I still come here every day (Multiple times :hihi: ) hoping for a real, official release date. But until I see the album in the stores I ain't believin' shit! We should all do the same thing and we won't get all worked up over it being "pushed back" when there hasn't even been an official release date (just fuckin' rumors) : ok:

scabbie, nemo, I agree, I just can't help myself, at times I want to just say hey whenevr it comes out it'll come out, but I just can't not be interested in it.. I thought 2002 was it ,I thought msg was great, the following day my mood switched..

I sometims wish it ended so I didn't have to be curious every day I use the computer.. I was real happy thinking gnr was over and had such amazing music to always have, now I just feel like I've been awaken to just get let down over n over..

Two years after a comeback is a long time to wait for something you really wanted, and nothing is even in stone that it has to happen anytime soon..

Sometiems part of me worries that it's taken so long that another member might just leave..
Closure would have been great, everything ends and other things spawn..

maybe one day axl n slash will do a page n plant type album/tour.. I have music i love also, just this is the music I have cared about the most ,and the name defiently doesn't help the mindset..

Yes, because that album doesn't really affect my daily life anyway.

I can't relate to being angry or upset about it.

I just don't understand why some people seem so upset about an album. My opinion is that it'll be out when it's done. Apparently it's not done yet, so why bother being upset about it?

I think I was more upset about the cancelled shows in 2001 than this. I had tickets to one of the shows. A little different than waiting for something you never paid for.... ;)



/jarmo

I understand that, I know what you mean, I'm also not upset, I'm more disappointed, it would apear that from interviews or the actual tour that it should have come about sooner..? I have a big interest in other music, mostly vr, it's just hard not to think about this..

Everyone has diferent ways of looking at things.,.

It does affect my daily life to a degree because thats what makes me visit the forums.. ;)

uve been venting since you got here...


aside from bucket leaving what has gone bad?

WHat date? I never new we had an official release date by gnr and the company and then it got pushed back? Have i been in the same cave as Axl?

I have been thinking about this for awhile now. If CD doesnt come out we do not get any news/single/video/album etc I think this will happen for me....

my intensity and love for this band will begin to diminish. I swear to god i love this band so much. This new incarsination. Not just axl but the band as a whole. And over the past few months my intensity for this band has began to diminish. I no longer think about CD non stop. Maybe its because im getting older and have other shit to worry about. Its partly because of the no communication. But mostly its ebcause I got sick n tired of the same old shit and negativity that lurks here on the board. I would say that has contributed most, for me personally. Same peopel saying the same stuff in every topic. Its like Ill just wont even bother and just wait....

Also experience on these boards make u wise. ?for the past yr and a half I havnt really bought into any of the rumors. Its the same gay shit. Faggity ass peopel playing source, etc. It gets old.


Once things heta up again I knwo the passion and energy that I once had for this band will come right back and then some. When that album drops it will be time for the fans/beleivers/whatver time to shine and do the talking.


I look at it the exact opposite. WHat has gone wrong musically? nothing...atleast yet. And when its all said and done..thats what going to count. The content of the material and how good it is. If gnr stepped up then all of this frusteration will be gone once that last note on CD is heard.
In fact it will be that much sweeter. We all have gone thru the ups and downs of this whole thing. What if CD is great> it will be a special thing. And all those battles,rumors or whatver will have been worth it.


If the album is what we want it to be then the legacy of gnr and Axl will become greater. There will be 2 chapters for the future fans to see. Old gnr and new gnr. Hopefully the new era can match or surpass the old in terms of music. If so then the gnr name will be fine. Things,attitudes, outlooks, opinions,vies on gnr as it is today will change, for bette ror for worse, soley on 1 thing...the music they release.

Ease off, you're the one who went the most ape shit over the whole VH1 thing... it seems like there was a plan to release it in November.

First off young gunner if you think the only thing wrong over a 5 year period is just buckethead then you haven't been watching,, There's no album, and I doubt it was just his fault, axl mentioned cd in a 1999 interview with kurt loder..

Second Dizzy had mentioned november was pushed back, btm said slated for november, and also where they just warming up in 2002 with a chinese democracy tour?? The plan was to tour then not do anything? SUre bucket letf, but he isn't the entire band ,there's still 7 other guys..

I never said before today that them not using the name was or might have been best, that's how I was venting.. I was also saying I was content when the band ended ,then I got excited in 1999, I figured we had omg and we were rolling, things were going along, and finally in 2002 we had the start of everything... It just turned into a complete mess..

We've had names to songs for years n years, are you trying to say none of this was even done. WHo goes on tour to support an album they don't even have near finished? Everything is ass backwards around new gnr.. WHy close the vmas, why do anything for this album towards promotion if you don't have a product? That's why the last two years have bothered me..

I have alot of other things I care about, but when I use my pc I usually want to check for info regarding the album, I have no interest in talking about what gnr once did, I am interested in the now.. This is why I mentioned the idea of them/axl have just went on with his life doing other things.. He woke up his sleeping fans only to make them wait years n years..

I was perfectly happy knowing gnr came n went and would always be remembered as the best of their time with great albums.,. Now gnr is known for all negatives.. Not the memory I wanted..

I think Axl has an extra-ordinary talent and I, personally, am happy he is still recording music. Axl has a good brain and a good ear for music and Gnr has always been centred around him and his talent, and he has produced the best music for gnr, imo

As for failed tours, everyone does it, as for other stuff, it's is the press trying to goad Axl into a response. It's an age old thing and all it really does at the end of the day is give Axl attention

Mysteron maybe gnr was just axl for you, but for me the guitar parts were just as big, just like mick n keith, prerry n tyler page plant, etc..Also izzy's songwriting and friendship with axl to keep him in check.. As for his ear and eevrything else I agree, and I never said he shouldn't continue doing music, I only said that he should have moved on in regards to gnr..

As far as everyone has tour problems and so on I agree, but how many times does this happen on the comeback tour to get nothing for two years since the last show (well 23 months) We've only had new material in 91 to be honest..

I also believe the press says bad things and does everything get in the ring tackled,.. I also believe he bring something upon himself, we have the album we're not even talking about this, we have a tour we are talking about something else..

I think what you say is very true Mike.  After years of coming on here and being a fan for so long.  My opinions have changed and my attitude in how i react to news has changed ect because we get so much bull shit come through and the delays ect.  But i think the last line you said is actually the truth.  Everybody who comes to these sites - secretly, if not openly, wants one day to read Chinese Democracy in the shops Now!!  lol 

Let's be honest we are all praying to read that in the news section one day.  Other wise why would people come here?  Certainly not to talk about Axl's hair and dress sense...
The live your life quote of Axl's that people use, is like a shield, of course it's not all we want in life - but it comes close lol Axl Rose is a fuckin inspiration and we want to hear something new - thats all. 

No.

Memories are memories. I was too young for any big things in 87-93 anyway, so getting the old bootlegs and looking at the old pictures of the band is just a distant memory. Where's the fun in that? It's just nostalgia. It got nothing for me besides that..just the memories. I wouldnt be an active GNR fan if it was no more, then I would be going somewhere else where things actually happened, something to look forward too, something exciting. Why is this so hard for people to understand? I just can't see any entertainment in that.

So maybe this thing havent gone as smooth as people expected, but it's still entertainment, it doesnt affect me on a deep inner level or something, as some people actually gets affected it by seems. Like Axl took his hand into your souls and shook it real hard making it sound worse than if your girlfriend dumped you for a big fat ugly guy with no hair on his head.

There has never been a release date. Just rumours. Dont forget that.

I admit it's over-due, but who cares. You guys still have the bootegs from 1988 to watch another time right?

I believe in this band because it's different. It's the most brave thing any musician could do. GNR was always centered around Axl Rose, they would have been nothing without him. And from my point of view, he's also the talented song writer and musician from the old guys. So if he wants to bring this thing called Guns N Roses back togheter with the new guys (are they even new anymore?) then I support it, because I know it will be hugely debatable even within the most hardcore GNR fans and for me that's entertaining. The GNR fanbase is still very much alive, still moving, still debating, still going somewhere.

I wouldnt be here if it wasnt for the new band. It would be just boring then.

Ive been watching a lot more than you, I guarentee that.
You fail to mention that Axl has along with Axl saying it might show up he has also said, soon is not the word, we'll go back and do some more recording, etc.

Basically. The 2002 tour was a warmup. Test the waters, get the band out there gelling, and to get the hell out of the studio.
Axl said at the end of the vmas, that they would start the american leg and then go back and do some more recording.

How can you tell me that Im not watching carefully when you dismiss Bucket as just a member leaving? You look at GNr differently than I and Axl does. Axl wants to build a band. Most of you peopel think he just goes out and gets whoever he wants and thats it. Its got to be and feel right with the band. That began to take shape when Bucket came a long.

Go read the articles on this very site. Go read the RS articles back in 2000. Vocals werent even down in 2000!
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out how things have developed over time.
The album began to take shape in 2002/3ish....I assume the recent "delays" have been badluck and Axls perfectionism.....
The Pr side has been a mess not the music side

And all of those "bad" memories you speak of will all end once the dam album is released. What if CD is a masterpiece? Will you still be whining about Axls braids, etc? Hell no. Youll be too busy listening and talking baout the album.

It all comes down to the music this band releases.

In Axls mind GNR hasnt ended. Why should Axl let go of GNr if he beleives it can continue in success and improve?

You can say what you want about Axl and keeping the name. Fact is most of the old fans care and the casual rock fan is atleast curious about what the hell he is up to.

Its been a decade since Gnr has released something. Axl for the most part has remained silent and has been able to keep peopel interested in him and the album. That alone speaks for itself. Even if Axl went under a new name and took the same amount of time, peopel would still be curious.

Whether you think he is capable of doing it or not. All people will agree that Axl is a smart guy. This album and new era will define his musical career. He will either make hismelf a bigger laughing stock or elevate his already legendary status to another level.
When the album is released we will be alble to define and categorize this whole new era of gnr and th einternet, rumors,albums, etc. Until we get that material we can only speculate. We can only debate the same shit. We can say the same things. When its released it will be a whole new ballgame. And i am 10000% confident that Axl and the band will deliver the goods.

I agree GnR is more than Axl. But!! GnR cannot be without Axl. It's his voice and charisma that draws fans.  But, Mysteron, it will be (and is) very hard for people to accept this new band as GnR, without Duff and Slash in the fold.


HA HA HA,  :rofl: :rofl: That's some pretty funny shit. When has Axl ever been in check?  :rofl: :rofl:

Well he said at the vmas that they would do more recording, yes that's a given I guess.. I love how he explained what kind of songs were going to be on chinese d in a 1999 interview but in 2002 he needed to record more.. He must have just threw the entire album he had in the trash?

I know we have different feelings youngunner but I don't think he just did a tour to test the waters and get out of ?the studio, he backed it with an album name, the one people were anticipating.. If he did then it was foolsih, why give hope for nothing if it wasn't even finished..
I mean they don't have one album out yet and they need to get out of the studio already, but then they have time for solo projects? I smell bullshit on that issue..

You seem to know alot about what axl wants and what he's going to do and what he has planned.. We all know shit, we just try and piece things by the little info we've gotten..

I wouldn't be complaining if we had something, that's all anyone wants, you or anyone else can live behind the "live your life" line but being gnr fans this is important to us.. I lived my life since gnr borke up, I only gained interest again when axl mentioned all these things.. No one forced this upon him, it's just a natural reaction to regain interest..

Vmas a big light behind him said Chinese democracy, the tour was chinese democracy, so I kind of expected to be holding chinese democracy two years later..

I know axl wants things write and buckethead leaving was part of a delay, butt eh man had to do some recording while he was there and the others needed to pick up slack of one guitar player for one album.. They're so tied down fixing things that tommy has been touring for months now, yet the album isn't even done.. These guys found time to vreate their own bands, write music and tour all when this album was in such a mess because buckethead left.. Doesn't make much sence when you think about it..

well, its weird they choosed to name the 2002 tour Chinese Democracy!!

remember u cant judge axl in the same light as other artists, true other artists take maybe a year if that to write and record An album, but remember Axl isnt recording just An album, he is tryin to do something innovative,new and classic, that takes way longer than just tryin to put out a good cd.

I could come on here today and say that im through waiting on Chinese Democracy and fuck Axl, but i couldnt really ever mean it. ?Its a double edged sword in the way u cant not wait for it even if u dont want too. I mean we are powerless being a fan is something u cant just switch off.

Im like Jarmo in the way it doesnt bother my everyday life, i just find other bands and things to fill that void till axl is ready, cause i know when he is ready its gonna be well worth the wait.

I watched the VMA performance twice last night before i went to bed and it had me more excited then i have been in a very long time. Axl's openin wttj scream and his awesome madagascar and the way he sings "why dont u take me home" parts on PC showed to me that he still has it and on the CD his vocals will be as great as ever.

I do wish Buckethead was still in the group, to me BH really elevated GNR another level with his unbelievable playing, his tapping at the end of PC is the greatest thing i have ever seen, i still sit in awe and watch him even though ive seen it 30 times.


We have two great bands now instead of one and? I feel lucky that i now have two great bands to follow!

Perhaps. as the band evolved and solidified new material aorse, hence things change.

Ive said countless times that the 2002 tour was pointless in the way they set it up. They could have doen things a little differently and it would have been a more productive and successful tour.
I also remember Fortus saying once on the raod that the tour gave them a chance to get out of the studio.
Look at it logically. Axl and the band have been in the studio since 99 working on material. Why would it be out of the question for them to go to a tour just to see if they work in a live setting as a band?
You look at the past tour as the beginning of CD and then failed. GNR looks at it as something along the LONG process.


They were working in the studio non stop. They needed a break.
As for the solo projects. Its simple. The majority of the work is done. The members arent needed. Its up to Axl to put it all together. The band made the music as a band. Now they ar ejust waiting for Axl to ring the troops in.

I know because for the people who believe and accept the wait, GNR and Cd doesnt mean as much ::)

And he hasnt forced you to stick around. Is there a rule that says being that you regained interest Axl owes you something. You can walk right out just like you walked right in. Simple if you ask me.

Axl owes us 1 thing. The album. But he doesnt owe us when that album should be in our hands. He owes us an album that he feels he has put his ultimate best into. And thats the goal. To put everything into this band and album then release it. How long will it take. Who the hell knows.

What we do know is this: that chinese democracy and anythign else the band releases will be soemthing that they poured their heart and sould into. Its something that they had every intention to make the bst dam album possible. Will they make it. Thats for your ears to decide. My point is the intentions. And as a fan thats all I care about. That the band I love has worked their balls off to make the best album they can make.

Why did anyone excpect a release date anytime after the VMA 2002 performance...Axl said himself that "You'll See It, But I Dont Know If Soons The Word"...he said theyd do there american leg of the tour and then do some more recording..so he had no plans of releasing it in 2002....i still think Febuary is the time to shoot for

Gives me ample amount of time to get my site finished  :-*

Guys,
The situation with Axl seems grave....
He's not making an album anymore, he's trying to make something that not one critic, fan or ex-member can criticise..a masterpiece, a work of art that  ALL agree on.  He really must care what people think because he's working so hard. This is an impossible situation to win in and that's why I think we see delay after delay, he comes to the board to take his swan dive and he just can't do it.
I wish Axl would look at U2, one of the biggest on the planet right now. Sure they have misfired musically before but so what, as Bono said "we can't come here and do the same thing over and over, it would not be fair on us or more importantly you guys" . POP was a bit of a FLOP (I loved it in the end..) but they took their criticism and look where they are now, about to release another No. 1 worldwide smash. Nobody is perfect. Slash and the boys are out with Contraband which isn't another AFD by any stretch but still they are out there and we love them for it.
I wish Axl would just exhale, relax and let it go...release CD and then come out fighting for it in arenas across the world.
I think he takes himself way too seriously (the therapy, the rambling narrative for OMG, the therapist for live shows etc). It's just music man, its not a cure for cancer.
Come on out AXl, many old and new  friends are waiting for ya!!!
Intercourse.

? :D With or without CD, we can live with or without CD, can?t we.
But Imperfection is necessary. Nothing would improve further when everything was perfect.

Mike if you do think so, why not try to see the current guys in the same light.
You?re not going to Tommy?s show in Dec, fine. It?s your loss.

Do you know what you are expecting from CD and GNR?
I mean you sound too desperate when it comes to GNR, for an otherwise laid back guy like you.
Why that?? Music is supposed to amuse you.
How will you spend the rest of your life after GNR new era has gone?
How will you ride out if only you don?t like CD despite of its enormous success(between us n general music fans)?
Where will you cling to then? The grief?
Relax. Worry is a waste of time. You?re already 89.? :P No time for worries.

ppbebe, I'll be just fine, I am just reacting like some people might feel who visit these forums for a long period of time and just feel like it's taking forever..

I can live just fine without thr album, but it's just something I persoanlly want..I always wanted a follow up to the illusions .. I thought going out with TSI was lame .. As i mentioned before I was ok with gnr breaking up and moving on with their own seperate  stuff but when I saw this new band form and hearing that something was going on and oh my god came out I began to have hope and was interested in some music..

I guess I've never seen anything take so long and things done like this with the  solo projects and lack of news and all..  Tour started then two years later we'll still wondering and nothing concrete has surfaced.. I also thinkbecause I just like a solid album to enjoy that I can't see anything taking this long, everytime he releases an album (well for me) it doesn't have to be groundbreaking or earth shattering..  Everyone has an album that isn't going to top their best efforts and I don't expect that to happen each time..

I'd rather have a good album every 2 years then one great one every 5 or so.. There's no guarantees in music so just be a band and create and release what you've done and see how it goes, with music you can always release another album.. It's nice to have one album under their belt in a quicker fashion so they can see how people take it, how they can learn for the next one..

As for the tommy show, I'll be honest I don't have an ounce of interest in seeing him, maybe when the band becomes one and does it's thing I will see the guy in another light.. It's nothing personal towards the guy...

Crazy how the cd gets an "thewall-effect" on people before it's released

The answer to your question, for me, is quite simple.  Yes!

I will always be interested.  This gives me some purpose for living.  I know that may seem a bit crazy to a lot of you, but it's true.

 ? Hang in there Mike. ? The comparison of Michael Jordan on the Wizards is not how I look at it. ?To me, it's more like Axl has come back to a basketball team just as good as his old team. ?Now, he has not hit the court yet in regular season ball. ?He's done a few pre-season warm-up games where he started a little slow (the western leg of the N. American tour) and picked up steam with some nice 20-point/10 rebound/game numbers on the East coast swing. ?His game is solid as Maddy, CD, and The Blues have shown (these are obvious slam-dunks). ?Enter the Rodman of the team (Buckethead) whose immaturity and failure to focus on the team concept (although he showed off his talent on the pre-season court) has kept this team from taking the court for regular season ball. ?My opinion? ?This is a play-off team when Axl has his team together! ?I personally think they are going all the way. ?These guys are future champions!!! ?Just have a little patience Mike! ?Axl's on his game (just see LALD from Pittsburgh)...forget dunking from the foul-line, that scream is like dunking from the goddamned 3-point line!!!!!!

-Axl4Prez ? :peace: ?

please no one ever put U2 in the same sentence as GNR.

I hope GN'R's new album is as good as U2's "Achtung Baby".  : ok:

See? It's not that hard.

What you shouldn't do is to put GN'R in the same sentence as Poison.  :P



/jarmo

well the hype is going to be near impossible to live up to so he should just throw caution to the wind and release it and then tour the hell out of it and be done with it. It is clear he is a perfectionist, but sometimes in art an artist must distance himself from his work to get a real perspective - the only way to do this is to release it so it is no longer owned soley by Axl but belongs to the fans and the interpretations they bring to it.
My main disappointment for both Axl and the music world is that we have been denied a great talent for what could possibly have been the creative peak of his career. He was too interesting and brilliant an artist to be holed up for the best part of 10 years and what is he now? 42,43? I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that he may have left it just a tad too late. Hope I'm wrong

same negative shit, same negative response from me mikegiuliana!!!
man we've all gone over this same shit over n' over, the same people are gonna give the same response, which means i am against your opinion that the GNR name should retire,WHY?? 'cause it just fuckin' should'nt, thats why : ok: : ok:

i dont want to put GNR's name in the same sentence as any band, i am guilty of high expectations i guess, i want this album to be better than anything i have ever heard

so i dont want it to be like any other album ive ever heard.

however i will love it regardless!


retiring the name is a great question, i have arguments for and against it.  In some ways it could benefit axl by losing the name, but then again some casual fans may know the brand GNR but not know the members of GNR

i mean fuck there are bands i dont know the members of and i wouldnt know if they changed lineups.

The money from the deal and the upfront money is much greater with the name GNR as it would be if it were just Axl Rose. GNR is a brand and a famous brand more famous than axl rose.

I hear you Mike. This whole thing has been incredibly FRUSTRATING. I am beginning to feel it was even better in 94-98 when Axl and GNR were totally MIA. At least then with virtually no news from the GN'R camp we could rationally conclude that there was no point in even dreaming about a new Guns' album for the foreseeable future... so the whole thing was less painful because our hopes never went up. Unfortunately, since OMG in '99, the world of GN'R has been one constant tease... Let's face it- we've been dicked around with promises of "look for CD next year" for FIVE going on SIX years. It blows. As each month goes by- and as each nu-Gunner heads out on yet another solo tour- I am left with the depressing feeling that Axl is hopelessly drowning in his unrealistic expectations for an album that can never be everything to everybody. I mean as brilliant as they are... some people HATE the Mona Lisa... some people HATE the Eiffel Tower... some people HATE Star Wars. You just have to live with that as an artist- but Axl is giving every indication that he's become incapable of doing so. That's why it's so depressing- how can we look forward to a CD release date when we know Axl won't release it until it's PERFECT? He's trying to do something that fundamentally can't be done. That's why there's no CD. That's why there may never be CD.

I have been following GNR since 90ish. Right when I really got into them, I picked up a magazine. I was flipping through it, and stumbled across an article. That told me this fantastic band I had found was broken up. Mind you, before them I listened to what my mom listened to, which was Neil Diamond, Barbra Streisand, etc. In other words, adult contemporary. I had never heard of rock, or metal, or anything. Until I found Guns N Roses. And they broke up. So I waited, and waited. I read every magazine I could get my hands on, to see if there was anything. ANYTHING. Then I stared using the internet, doing the same thing. I come on here at least once a day, if not more. The VMA performance was like I had died and gone to heaven. I couldn't believe I had waited almost 10 years, and I was finally seeing Axl live on tv. When I heard they were touring, I was so happy I cried. The show at MSG was the best night in my life. And then it was all over. Again. Sometimes I do wish something would happen to put an end to all of the waiting. But, as I saw in another post, And it's so true. I couldn't switch it off if I wanted to. I have two plaques on my wall that remind me everyday of how big of a GNR fan I am. I have a tattoo on my shoulder that reminds me everyday how much I love Axl, and what finding him and GNR has done for me. I have a cat I named Axl. (Yes, I'm serious) Yes, I do have a preference for Axl. I feel I can relate to him in certain ways. I've read what he went through as a child. I know about his depression and whatnot. And that's what makes him human. He has the same problems and feelings as so many other peole in this world. Including myself. And that's what brings me here everyday. I don't just want the album. I want the person. I want Axl Rose to come out and say SOMETHING. I don't care what it is. I spent almost 10 years of my life waiting for something to happen. I will gladly spend 10 more.

Totally agree with you. However I feel that Axl doesn't know what he wants to do with this album. He isn't satisfied with the product, and keep working and working on it (hopefully he works on the album and not just plays GTA all day long), but he can't keep a distance from the record. He totally lives in the world of CD, lives in the world of 12 to I don't know 60 songs, works on this, works on that, but he doesn't feel it's perfect. I thought that it was a bad idea to fire every producer and Axl took over the producer job, because it's obvious that he can't control the things himself and can't see when it's great. Fuck, even Mozart would have become bored and insecure about his music if he had been working that long on that. Axl is not Mozart - he's one of the most talaented singers of all time. IMO if only Axl had been working on CD, playing every instrument, then we would have had this album in our hands for 2 or 3 years. And it's be great. Maybe I'm wrong and Axl lost his creativity, that's why the whole process takes such a long time.

Anyway, there are 3 possibilities:
1. Axl is really crazy and still working on CD and we won't hear it anytime soon (or ever).
2. Axl has lost his creativity or he feels that GN'R isn't working without Slash, Izzy and Duff.
3. Axl doesn't really work on CD, just plays computer games and watches NBA.

To be honest, I believed the November thing for a while. I'm extremely pissed that Axl won't communicate with his fans - for me thats the most disappointing thing about the whole ordeal, because its just inexcusable. If Axl said 'We've been delayed with all my court stuff/Bucket leaving/searching for a replacement/whatever and we're shooting for February/don't hold your breath.' Fine, I could rest happily with that. Y'know lots of people have given him shit for the GTA thing, and well, it probably took about an hour. Let's be honest. But hey, why not spend half an hour to tell your fans what's up.

I highly doubt it won't be delayed again, and I'm suspicious that when it finally drops, a tour will kick off, Axl will storm off after the 2nd show and never return.

Worst case scenario? GN'R always ends up living the worst case scenario. :( :( :(

My life doesn't change a bit if cd comes out or doesn't come out. Sure I'd love to hear the masterpiece every single day. Sure I'd love to catch a couple of shows of the world tour that should follow the release.

Just live your life until (and afterwards) it comes out. If it does, enjoy it, listen to it, go seem them. If it doesn't come out, listen to the older ones, keep on posting in this board in threads like this: chinese democracy expected 24 june 2009. Just for the fun of it!!!!. :beer:

See you understand the idea of ten years mising, or wasted and he's in his fortys already. I know some guys rock in their later years but most don't miss their thirties(a good deal) in rock. I just don't want it to be to late where it seems more like a joke then a comeback..

Well according to Tommy,
Some of the stuff had been done a while ago and hadn't changed much; I didn't really bother with that.
So according to Tommy, who is actually in the band and has been there since it started, he is saying the older tunes HAVNT CHANGED MUCH...menaing your wrong when you say all Axl does is fiddle with all the songs.


Axl ain't just sitting up there fucking, sitting there watching fucking TV, waiting for the fucking sun to come up. It's like he's been working on this shit for a long time, we've all been working on it sporadically throughout. It's gotta be right.

Just because there have been several producers doesnt mean he has fired them all. Did you maybe stop and think that each producer was brought in to work on specific type songs? And when they were doen they werent needed?

or.....Axl is really determined to deliver th ebest dam album possible. And along the journy there have been several obstacles, musically and behind the scenes the band has had to overcome. No doubt, Axl's perfectionism has played a big role in the "delays" but there are other things that play into it as well....

If Axl doesnt care about that, why are you? Axl has mortgaged his celebrity and status for the chance to simply make the best music possible. If he was concerned about being in the spotlight, we would have a few new cds by now.
Its obivious that Axl wants to make th ebst album possible. He has given up many things and burned some bridges in doing so. If the album is a success he will be a success. If not well...

I just feel bad the guy missed some great years, is that a big deal, and for me I don't want him to come back to late because his shows were energetic and lots of running and when he's older I don't want to see some old dude doing the same things he once did.. I like having good memories about something I really loved, it's that simple..

Why not? . Look at U2s album sales, it averages between 5 and 9 million for EVERY album they have released (11 now). That is the lagacy I expected from GNR. Whatever you say, it must be devastating to be in a band that had the capability and chops to take their place beside the Rolling Stones, U2 etc but stylistic and core identuity issues caused the band to fall apart.  I don't blame any member of the band for being bitter with the one other, that chance is gone. I mean if they ever get to the RNR Hall of Fame who is going to be honored on the day? Have 2 cermonies, one for each carnation of the band?
I also mention U2 because they are a model of what can be achieved through communication, bravery and DEMOCRACY. Each member has an equal say and that is RULE OF LAW in U2. The guys in the new GNR are not angry with Axl for taking so long because they probably deep down don't FEEL it's their band anyway. They have worked hard on music, been well paid for it (Tommy is rumored to have gotten a 7 figure sum) and job well done. They check in to hear the mixes...I mean come ON!!! What band members in your standard band would be happy with that limited input??? It goes against the grain completely. Band members are PASSIONATE about how the music will sound in teh final mix. Now, that said maybe AXl has the vision and chops to produce this monster on his own but it looks to me like the guy has TOO many ideas colliding with each other mixed up with TOO many ideas about what the world outside will say if he lets this thing go and puts it out.
He's scared, over worked, cannot see the wood for the trees and now producing alone because the advice of some of the worlds best producers didn't seem to suit.
Axl  wants perfection and sorry man, we are human, it is not ours to have.
Axl needs a mentor to push him on, but I just think he's too much cash and too much pedigree to facilitate one. He doesn't take orders..that simple. You all read what Flood said about working with him, Axl flat refused to go to the studio with him after jamming, he wasn't 'ready'. Flood had to move on.
Poor bastard, I often wonder does he get depressed looking at Slash & Duff  with a  wife and kids, something he said he's always wanted as he hides away burning his brain up over every note of this mammoth. I mean is he not BORED out of his SKULL with the songs???
He's got to let this go soon....for his own sake, never mind ours.




They have made stylistic errors but came out of it ok. Axl never seems to be able to take that chance, he just cannot seem to stand the criticism despite the 'fuck you' attitude.
I never understood why he wanted to be the next NIN when I watched a GNR crowd boo them off in Manheim in 1991. Plus, GNR were selling ten times as many records.

I never understood why he wanted to be the next NIN when I watched a GNR crowd boo them off in Manheim in 1991. Plus, GNR were selling ten times as many records and still do.

here we go again

you're right young gunner..dead horse topic the NIN one.
Still, to watch 75,000 of your fans boo the opening act off and then have your lead singer turn around and say he wants to move in their direction musically would shit you up a bit.
'Nuff said...
Intercourse

Oh come on,not this shit again!!! I'm sick of reading threads about how GNR died ten years ago and about what a big asshole Axl Rose is and I'm especially tired to hear people talking about the so-called delayes. There have been no delayes!!!!!! You need an official release date to have a delay,but all the dates so far were bullshit roumors.

Axl will release the album when or if he wants it and nobody can do anything about it,so please people,read a book,go out,meet a girl,watch Football on TV,get drunk,live your fuckin life!

I say maybe axl made a mistake (not knowing the time it takes) sayin the stuff about cd that he said in 99,

Allthough he was very clear in 02 "soon is not the word"

and ill bet yout out of those 75 of gnr fans a good majority ended up being nin fans...grunge etc....

Axl liekd those type of bands before they hit big. It just shows that he has a good ear and idea of how things evolve and how you have to keep doing different things.

I highly doubt Axl wanted GNR to tunr into NIN. Look at old GNR. They had many different influences and molded it into their own sound.
Whats worng with taking newer elements such as Industrial/folk music or whatver the fuk u wnat and mold it into your future creations. It sthe same philosophy. Just different music. It doesnt have to be heavily influenced.....just a smidge here and there...CD will be a melting pot...

U2 to me is like rap music, every song sounds the same, bono compared to Axl Rose is no comparison, cmon bono, i dont know, maybe i just never gave them a chance but id rather be locked in a room with techno dance music then sit through U2

And Dizzy said that every song has 3 different versions. Are you saying that Dizzy's lying?? :nervous: On the other hand Tommy even said the songs he had heard, were songs they'd been working long ago. So don't you think that Axl had been working on other songs and then went back for other (earlier) songs?


So you are with the first possibility.


We will see it, but it'd be a crazy idea and in this case even if CD is released in 2005 we won't have a follow-up album before 2012.



Loder: When do you think we will actually see this album? Is it possible to say early next year?
Rose: We're hoping. Yes, definitely, everything seems to be going well.
(1999)

The new Guns N Roses album is tentatively titled Chinese Democracy and loosely scheduled for summer 2000.
''As far as I can tell,'' says GnR's manager Doug Goldstein, ''we are now 99% musically done and 80% vocals done. I see the record being done Feb or March for a summer release.''
(2000 January)

According to him, his voice was not at his best because of lack of sleep and the band needs to adjust the sound to these great shows. The expectations of the band turns now to the new album, "Chinese Democracy", which will be released in June. The leader guarantees his fans that they will be rewarded for the long wait.
(2001 January)

DJ: When is it gonna be the new album? Is it possible that we're gonna have a new record from Guns N' Roses?
Axl: Yes, I've heard. Um, hopefully we will put out a new single umm sometime this spring and then the record gonna be done in June or shortly thereafter.
(2001 January)

R&P: We know that Chinese Democracy will be released in June, but we wanted to know what the reasons are for taking so long before releasing the album?
Axl: We hadn't written songs or recorded for many years.
(2001 January)

Ditch: You've really, you've... It sounds like really nurtured relationships with these guys, and the new disc "Chinese Democracy". Umm, do you have any idea when the fruits of those labours will come to harvest?
Axl: Uhh, sometime during the next year.
(2002 November)

he (Dizzy) says GNR never stopped working and that Rose spent time assembling a new corps of musicians as well as recording the new album "Chinese Democracy" -- expected out during 2003 -- with a number of producers.
(2002 November)

etc.


And one thing about that Axl knows what he's doing:

Loder: What have you been doing for the last six and a half years, since the last tour ended?
Rose: Trying to figure out how to make a record.
1999...

Nice mikkamakka, This album has been slated and suppose to come out or be almost done or 99% done so many damn times, they even did a chinese democracy tour, those Q & A just prove axl is unstable and we're probably as close to seeing the album now as we were then..

It's second week in november and there isn';t eh slightest buzz about the album, even tommy is thinking about touring in the winter, just goes to show nothing is going on right now..

I forgot it was all buckethead's fault :hihi:He's erratic ,I know someone else in gnr that fits the bill, pot calling the kettle..

It's a shame to think it might come out one day because it's forced out by geffen..

Just because that a lot of the songs have multiple versions doesnt mean they are continuously being worked on. Im not saying that Axl doesnt go back and fiddle with songs. Im sure he does. BUt as Tommy has said the majoruty of the old songs havnt changed. Menaing Axl hasnt been focusing his time mainly on those.

Once Cd is released then everything will fall into place. the key is getting this first album out. After that everything will take care of itself. If its a success we will see the follows very quickly. If it bombs then we either wont get the followup for awhile or not get it at all....

Do you think Axl is just working on songs for CD? You dont think most of the songs they have are near done?



You continue to fail to mention that Axl has also siad the album wont be done soon. And you fail to mention what he said at the vmas.....


If you havnt realized....PLANS CHANGE

I repeat it again:

Axl Rose, 2002 November (he said it after the summer press release, and after the VMAs):

Ditch: You've really, you've... It sounds like really nurtured relationships with these guys, and the new disc "Chinese Democracy". Umm, do you have any idea when the fruits of those labours will come to harvest?
Axl: Uhh, sometime during the next year.
(2002 November)

And that's what I say: plans (if there is any) change. Always. And then again. And again. That's why CD is still unreleased.

Youngunner how do you know there's material for multiple albums, didn't tommy himself say there was only one? He says narrowing down 35 to 30 and so on, he always says RECORD.. Keep believing it's some master plan and all, the fact is you'll never just say we should have had the album ages ago like those interviews imply and that axl just doesn't come through, instead you just try to deffend and mask everything.. I mean the quotes are right there, right from axl's mouth..

Yes he said more recording in 2002, but he was done each year before.. The man just seems scared to release the album..

I seriously doubt that the reclusivce rose is going to tour for years and drop albums along the way.. He can't get one out, now he's going to have multiple albums?? Plus the dude is prone to problems while touring

One of his interviews hinted at the next one and the possibility that there's material for more than an album. :yes:

Once an architect told me that,
An architect shouldn?t fawn over his clients. It ruins the architecture.
When he obeys them he end up providing them unsafe and uncomfortable buildings.
Being called asshole or whatever doesn?t hurt him much as his works being defective constructions that would hurt people later on.

Its real simple. Axl said it on tour. You dont wanna beleive it..thats your problem. Not mine.

Do you guys undertsand english? Do you guys have anything else betetr to do than bring up the same old arguments?

Ill break it down for you again....

It seems as if the band was ready and confident that they had and were going to release CD in 2000. BUt then Buckethead came along. And with that meant more recording. With that meant new material. Possibly better material. With Bucket the band began to solidify. Hence the delays.

Whatvever happens, happens. Who knows what the plan is by now. According to Tommy they will be touring the world. So that tells me the plan for the most part is still in tact.
But things changes so....either accept it or move on

fine dude but what about those quotes above, don't they mean anything?? Buckethead came along in 2000, material was done already, not everything was scrapped.. It would be stupid to just waste? a year or two of effort.. Yes axl said more recording after the vmas, but he also said that the album, or soemthing of that nature was done before that..

Even you have to admitt there has to be plenty of stuff recorded by the vmas, and 2002 tour, ok even if bh didn't get to do as much recording as needed it's still 6 months later now, and there's still no word of anything..

Tommy was saying it could drop anytime since late spring and the summer and that was a little time after buckethead left, so something had to be ready.. He was saying these things a few months after he left, so how much could be missing?

To answer your first reply, axl says alot of things, they don't seem to ever matter, do the things he says actually happen..  Those quotes show he said alot and didn't stick with it..

Why would re doing some material be stupid? Because fans say so?

You fail to realize the fact that this isnt an Axl ROse solo project. He wants to be a BAND. You would be one of the first ones to complain to Axl that he is a dictator and how he is just bringing in these guys to record existing material. I guarentee we would hear you whine about that. Instead he waited until the band was pretty much assembled and they have created their won bulk of material. Its taken longer but thats how it goes...

Of course, you would have to be an idiot to think that they dont have any material. I beleive they have a shitload of material. Atleast 2 solid albums worth...probably 3...
communication and production are 2 different things.

So dont get your panties wet when something doesnt pan out. You seem to know all the answers and outcomes so instead of whining why havnt you learned about the whole "until its in your hands, its bullshit" by now?

This whole thing is sad. Axl clearly still enjoys making great music (Madagascar and The Blues, etc.) and being around talented musicians (Robin, Tommy), but it's looking like he has ZERO desire to tour, promote, release and be judged. Let's face it, his behavior on the '02 tour showed a man that would rather have been serving 40 years hard time than be on the road.

Sadly, Axl has been walking around in a delusional "daze" for 11 years now... granted Axl in a delusional daze is still better than 99% of the musicians out there, but until he snaps out of it... NOTHING is going to happen with this project- which is truly tragic given the immense potential of this band and the legions of fans they would quickly accumulate.

Again, back in 99/2000 they might have had material but they didnt have that solidified band.

Um, each member in this band contributed a great deal to the music. How is that not a band? How is that an Axl solo project? How is it different from old GNR?
Axl has and always will be the guy that steers teh ship. But that doesnt mean he controls the music or is a dictator.
Ballads, and My world were on old gnr records...does that mena the old guys were there just for Axls shits n giggles?

actually i dont. I have said a zillion times that the band has made a shitload of mistakes. But all of those mistakes have not been on the music side. And im here because of the music. I dont egt all pissed off because Axl has decided to take his time with it. Im sorry I dont. If I was worried about that I probably would have got pissed and left a long time ago....im here because of the music. ANd unless they release utter garbage ill always be here.

You can talk about all the negatives you want...but that will all go away in a qucik second if the material blows your lil nuts off.
So until then...I just sit her eon the stairs i rather be alone...if i cant have it right now, Ill wait here.... ;)

But if you have been paying attention to the interviews and that Loder interview you love to quote from you would realize that I say they have several different albums and not just a shitload of songs because:

It took working on the majority of these things and at least the couple albums' [worth] of material to figure out what should be on the first official Guns album. I wouldn't say it's like, you know, that we recorded a double album, or that we have all of our scraps to be the second one. There is a distinct difference in sound. The second leans probably a little more to aggressive electronica with full guitars, where the first one is definitely more guitar-based.

Meaning they have different type of material for each album. Not just songs they pull out of their ass...
read that quote a few more times....maybe you will finally understand what im talking about being you failed to realize it while u quoted Axl from that interview about a thousand times

Please dirtect me to a quote or statement from Axl that shows he is asking for anyone to believe him?
If you havnt noticed alreadyhe doesnt really care if you dont. He is doing things on his terms. If you cant accept that you have a whole world of choices to fall back on.

"Can someone present one bit of evidence that there is still a Guns N Roses band alive and kicking in the world today? For the past 2 years the band has been seperated, the lead guitarist quit, they cancelled Rock in Rio, no news on the album...why are we still here discussing the new Guns N Roses? There is no band, this whole thing is joke. How anyone can continue to hope is beyond me. Yeah a 43 year-old Axl Rose is going to take over the world the way he did when he was 22 and scrapping to make ends meet? I don't think so...it's done. Axl Rose is never going to deliver people...face it."

a quote from a very wise man.

it all comes down to whether you have a life or whether you don't.......... if you have a life like Jarmo, you won't mind if Chidem is released because...simply... ?you have a life ?:P

If you're like me, and Do not have a life, then ..you're in for big trouble... Now, I'll never bash axl or believe he has to prove something to the world or that he owes me something because I bought five of his albums ?more than a decade ago. So what do you do ? either stay and bash... or wait till sweet death comes along while struggling to stay positive.
I'll choose none. When december comes along... and there's no word from axl... I'll bid you all farewell.

40-year old kylie did a comeback, pink floyd were huge with gray hair,
NO we will not see hairspray axl again, but he WILL deliver : ok:

Axl really should put out a statement regarding CD (good business practice), but it's not like the world is going to end because he won't.

Sexual intercourse exists for a reason. Plus it's good for passing time.

Sexual intercourse exists for a reason. Plus it's good for passing time.

Agree :P

Well, I'll say first-off that I'm no big fan of new Gn'R. Bash me all you want, I just don't particularly like the songs I've heard from them. What follows is, therefore, the perspective of someone who isn't buying Chinese Democracy if and when it comes out.

When I talk to people on other message boards about Gn'R, the fall into people who maybe have the greatest hits, or maybe have just heard November Rain or Sweet Child on MTV2. They usually just say "Yeah, Gn'R rock! Slash is a god!" and so on and so forth. Then there's the fans who have the albums, and say "Gn'R rocked! But they turned into a fucking pantomime, which was sad." Then there's fans who also have the albums but say "Gn'R rocked! But Axl Rose turned them into a pantomime, and that's sad." Then there's those who worship the ground Axl walks on, and just know Chinese Democracy is coming out whenever the rumours say it will at that point in time, and get all uppity when anyone slags Axl off, even as a joke. The number of people who actually want Chinese Democracy outside Gn'R communities seems in my opinion to be pretty low.

Gn'R's name has been dragged through the mud since '93, so much so that people laugh about them. That's why I dislike Axl using the Gn'R name. If it had ended in '93 (or at least when Slash left) people would have remembered the band for its music, which, as we all know, kicked ass. But instead people say "Yeah Guns n' Roses, they're still going, right? Axl Rose got off his arse yet? [chuckle]" When and if Chinese Democracy is released, it won't be judged by its content in the Gn'R communities. Those who support Axl will say it rocks, its the best album ever, and its a hundred million times better than old Gn'R. Those who don't support Axl or new Gn'R will say it sucks the massive one.

Velvet Revolver proves he could've had just as much success with 'Axl's Gunners' or whatever, that he didn't need the name to sell records.

Like I say, that's my opinion, and that of those I've talked to on message boards (though I don't pretend that its a general consensus throughout the music world, just my experience). By the way, why does the spell check on this board try to correct 'Axl' and 'Gn'R'? ;D

I think you're wrong and I'll tell you why.......

--I for once don't care about taking sides, because it's none of my business, it's axl and co's problem/dispute etc, not mine--

I'm a huge fan of the old GNR lineup... I have Duff, Slash and Izzy's solo records... I'm a huge STP and Scott Weiland fan...I was awaiting impatiently for Contraband like a nut....... it came out.... i thought it was ok, good ...but I was disappointed... I thought it could be better... a lot better.....
So.... if ChiDem has only 4 songs that I like -basically: theblues, chidem, maddy and rhiad..... I'll be very disappointed.... Just like it happened with contraband... If someone says it rocks only because Axl made it...that someone needs to adjust his brain. In the end, the music will do the talking...If a lot of naysayers like it....they will shutup.

That's very true, but the way I see it the new Gn'R old Gn'R argument has gone on for years between Gn'R fans. The hardcore new Gn'R fans will decide they love Chinese Democracy even if it turns out crap, and the hardcore new Gn'R sceptics will decide its crap even if it turns out to be a masterpiece, because neither side wants to back down and admit they were wrong after however many years of arguing. Basically, I reckon those who've been saying "Axl hasn't released an album for 11 years!" will say "Axl took 11 years to produce this crap?!", and those who've been saying "Axl is taking his time to produce a masterpiece!" will say "Axl took his time, but Chinese Democracy is the best album ever!".

The thing is, many hardcore Gn'R fans do take sides. That's what I'm talking about. The Gn'R fans that haven't taken sides will take Chinese Democracy [EDIT FOR TYPO-Chinses Democracy? :o] on its merits, like they took Contraband on its merits.

GNR will never DIE!!!!!!!!!

1993 called, it wants it's statement back.. The gnr as we know it died back then, now soemthing else has been reborn..

Someone remembers gnr for the music coming into their ears, that sound got defined my axl imo, so he is the only irreplacebale member, soundwise

You are wrong. BTW Dead Horse.

i'm beatiing it :D

but then my memory of seeing them in madison square garden wouldnt exist.. and that memory was not one of a riot, terrible hair, plastic surgery, fat, etc.. it was one of amazement and intrigue.. believe it or not that show was the first time i ever heard gnr songs.. lets face it.. if it wasnt for the tour in 2002.. a big portion of us wouldnt be here..

lol, there was guy on this board a while back (maybe he's still here...) called Chidem, and I couldn't work it out (although, given I never tried). And reading that I finally understand his name.
Man I'm dumb.
Well, I'm not, I'm cleverer than you. But still.

So you won't kill yourself if there's a word from Axl?

You should still kill yourself if there's a word from him.

The only thing that should stop you from killing yourself is if the album is released before the clock strikes twelve on new year's eve. Now all you need is a word to remain with us??
What's the matter with you!

EDIT: Plus, what if Axl's word is something like "Bumblehead impeded our progress with his big mouth, but it's actually opened more doors for us than ever before, ... .... ... etc.
 , so don't hold your breath.

     Blame Greenland,
   
                                   Axl


^               ^                          ^
 
No reason to go on, if you ask me.

It's not so bad with the wait even if one is intrested in updates from gnr ;)

well, they never gave an official release date, that's all I need.

I'm still waiting..........and I won't give up!! :peace:

Dizzy's mom :D hi hope to see dizzy soon in gnr

Read it again, Sam ::)

I said i'm no fan of new Gn'R.

the question remains ....what are you doing here ? what do you gain by talking about a band you don't like ?

I always thought it was a guns n roses forum ,not just a new gnr forum.. I love how people tell others who were gnr fans their whole life they shouldn't be somewhere because axl made a new band and decided to keep the name,,.. ::)

I just don't get it, I made this comparison before but... I was a Metallica fan, now I'm not... Do I even bother going to their message board ? no. There's nothing in it for me unless you're a twisted person that just likes to bash for the sake of ....bashing....and that is moronic. Are you a velvet revolver fan ? then go to the VR section, or better yet to the official messageboard. Are you an old GNR fan and hate the new ? face it, the old is DEAD .
But no, you're just full of hate and want to bash.

Yeah, but where do you that this is a "I hate the new band so I can come here to start shit" place?

I'm pretty sure that if you only love the old band, you'll feel more at home on a Slash, Izzy, Duff, Steven, Matt or Gilby forum than here.

If you're only here to keep mentioning how much the new band sucks, you won't last long. That's a fact.

I find it very funny how certain "fans" whine when they get banned, that they only got banned for not kissing Axl's ass. If you hate Snakepit and VR, do you go to a Slash forum and tell everybody there that Slash has sucked since he left GN'R?



/jarmo

I would never be on a snakepit board if I didn't like them because they didn't have an established band for years n years with videos n albums then changed the entire sound and try to say it was snakepit again.. That's a poor example though ,snakepit had 2 albums and two lineups, it was a solo project..

All I said was you can't expect everyone to love new gnr based on the boots n wait, I'm sure things will be different when that album comes along, but everyone is entitled to their opinions,,

You say people bashing new gnr on a gnr forum, but people go into the vr section to do the exact same thing.. Or the people that hate on the old band members over stupid articles that don't even matter..

I don't understand why people can't just express their feelings, it's just a message board talking about different things..

Because, the idea of this board isn't "Bash the new band as much as you want".

If that's your idea of fun, then you're on the wrong board.



/jarmo

Who just bashes the new band?? I give my reasons and my biggest beef is the wait and lack of concrete info.. I just hate that live yourt life quote, instead of people saying axl isn't coming through or that he has gave numerous definite maybes over the years and it didn't pan out which sucks I get that quote thrown at me like it will change my feelings over the wait..

So that?s when you yielded up your soul to the Dark Force.

Come on, Mike. Lay a ghost! :rant:

Who told you to wait?


I'm waiting to win on the lottery. You don't see me being bitter and bitching about it to you, do you?



/jarmo

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I think there's a little more evidence that a gnr album is suppose to happen compared to you possibly picking the correct winning numbers.. Then tell me what else is there to anticipate with new gnr then an album?

There's actually more going on in the GN'R world now, than there were in 1997.

There's supposed to be a new single from Tommy Stinson.

There's VR. While waiting for GN'R, you can enjoy those.  : ok:


It sucks that there's no new album from GN'R, but you can't just sit and dwell. It just doesn't help.



/jarmo

I hope Axl brings in some other musicians who release solo albums, so we'll be happy to have them, although we maybe never hear CD.  :-\ Don't misunderstand me, I think Tommy made a good record, but... Axl is a musician and not some DJ Smith who shows us good musics he discovered but doesn't release an album...

I will enjoy vr as I have since I bought their first album ,I've wore out two albums already.. :D Thank god the album comes with the covers :hihi:
I know you're running a board and don't want negative copmments, for that I aplogize, just understand we all deal with frustration differently, and it wasn't meant to annoy others nor knock anyone...

Negative comments aren't the problem, it's usually the person posting them, and the way in which they post them, that becomes the problem.

Don't make this out to be the "anti-anybody that dislike new gnr" board that it isn't


How the...fuck did you do that?

No, seriously? How do you 'wear out' an album? Do you buy your albums from a bloke down the market?

Because, mate...

If you don't like GN'R's new songs your crazy.  Madagascar is one of the best songs Guns N' Roses have ever had.  Download every version you can get a hold of and listen closely to how great this song is and always will be.  Just wait until a studio version comes out you'll see just how truely great this song really is.

Well I should say the one in my stereo and car got worn out from touching it, just scratched and skipped.. I do listen to them eevry day, but they were damaged from handling them..

Bugger, had a great reply, then the session timed out and I lost it. Gah, never mind.

I don't hate the new band. I'm not here to start shit. I haven't said once the new band sucks.

I don't like vanilla coke. Doesn't mean I hate vanilla coke, or think it sucks. Doesn't mean I start shit with people that like vanilla coke. I just prefer ordinary coke. I can still give an unbiased opinion on vanilla coke.

I think that Axl shouldn't have kept the name Gn'R because the name has been dragged through the mud. Its not his fault; the media haven't been very kind to him regarding the long wait for Chinese Democracy. If the name Gn'R had died, then it would've been remembered for the music and general badass rock 'n' roll-ness. Every time Rolling Stone or whoever take the piss out of Axl and his band, people think "Gn'R is nuts! They haven't released an album for ten years!" I hope you understand what I'm saying, that's the worst explanation in the history of everything.

Yeah, I'm crazy. I'm fuckin' crazy, hey hey. Ya know I'm crazy.

Sorry, I had to :confused:

Dude, that's what the hole in the middle is for...In a way. Put a finger through that, and use your remaining digits to grip the side (the side, mind) of the CD.

You would save yourself a lot of money.

Well of course, I'm just not the only one touching the album, and my kid gets her hands on it every so often.. It's one of the few albums I've bought this year so it's ok.. From the 80's to about 95 I bought hundred of albums, so one more contraband won't hurt :beer:

I'm going to buy 3 chinese d's when it gets released..

I'm Dizzy's Aunt........not mom...........LOL

I don't think MikeG hates the new band, I think he needs to vent because of this long miserable wait.  Yes, nobody told him he HAS to wait for the new album, but he obviously wants to hear new music from Axl.  We all are waiting, I mean c'mon.  Axl is the most talented front man of all time.  I want to hear his music big time.  But I am also not going to justify everything that he does when we all know he has some faults.  There are definately some people here that look at Axl as a God that can do no wrong.  He is the most talented front man ever, and he really he has been out of the public view way too long.  Axl doesn't owe me jack shit, but he owes it to himself to share his talent now, before he is old and wrinkley (which isn't too far away).