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http://www.velvetrevolverforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8164

Good to see misquotes get cleared up from the man himself.

Plus - "'my world' is still one of my favorite songs!!!"
What a cool thing for Duff to say!

The Axl's ambition of doing "experimental" music meant the end of Guns N'Roses as a band. "My World" on UYI 2 is not only the last "song" on the record, it is also the "song" which meant the end of GN'R.


If Axl wanted to do experiments, he should have had a side band. Guns N'Roses wasn't the right place to do that kind of music...


"Songs" like "Oh my god", "Silkworms" or "My World" can't be considered as GN'R songs !

well, you forget that "my world" is more of a provocation-fun-thing than a real song. "oh my god" is a great track, but oviously nothing for soemone who lives in that past. and "silkworms", well, that's really no song at all, just crazy jamming stuff.
but why did you forget to mention, madagascar, the blues, chinese democracy and rhyad? i guess those are songs either?! :P

+1. I totally agree. To be honnest, I'm not against modernity, Madagascar is great, U2 with Archtung Baby did a fantastic job, but there are limits. "my world", "oh my god" or "silkworms" are not good songs for Guns n' Roses.

I'm happy to read Duff thinks otherwise and consider OMG  a great song !  :yes:
And I'm happy he made that statement too ! That's really being respectful of his fans !

And please get over the side band stuff ... it's really getting old and ridiculous !  :-X

to all concerned
i will know officially retract a statement made in an interview for the voodoo-fest in new orleans a couple of weeks ago. to paraphrase, i was quoted as saying that axl wrote non of the music for guns n' roses(supposedly in the time that i was in the band). this was an ABSOLUTE mis-quote and i do believe that my past record in doing interviews period, would show me saying something like this as a serious deviation from my normal responses to 'guns' quetions.
axl, and all 'guns' fans, i wholeheartedly apologize and am quite embarassed by this whole episode. i have always looked at the 'glass as half full' when it comes to the amazing things we accomplished, and the amazing songs we wrote as a group. 'my world' is still one of my favorite songs!!!
much respect and love....duff

Thanks god. Duff is sane.

"My World" is my fav. I prefer "Oh My God" far better tho.

This faulty press should be dammed. Or was it intentional? >:(

Still "My world" is better than most of the stuff duff has written by himself in loaded. :hihi:

hmmm....No. Duff is very underrated in my opinion. Don't forget he is the man who wrote most of "paradise city"... He also wrote "it's so easy" I think. and they are great songs. I was very impressed when I saw him in Paris at the VR concert. Duff is awesome. :yes:

Where have you read that?  ???

Yes, someone who has written "It's so Easy" deserves somes credit. I even think of "So Fine" as a better song than "My World". Just my taste though......and he has written "Loving the Alien"together with Scott. LTA is one of the best songs I have heard in years....

Respect the Duff. : ok:

Cool.  : ok:


The worst thing is that the damage has already been done. I wonder how many of those news sources will report this.....



/jarmo

yes indeed, this is always the problem with retractations.

Sorry I meant My World !  :P

I'm not underestimating what he did on the past as a member of gnr, I was just talking about his work in Loaded.

And by the way, I can't understand the comments he made even though he has now said "au contraire". It was a dummy thing to do and has no excuses what so ever.

I think what Duff said about My world was sarcastic   :-\

It's a way of saying...'of course axl contributed to GNR musically..but it sucked !!! '

Nice to see duff clearing the air..  :beer: :beer:

Your thoughts are 100% correct :hihi:

as far as im concerned no news sorces picked up the news because no one really cared but us. So it's no big deal. The same few that did will pick this up

Jesus people this is clearly sarcasm as son of a preacher noticed. Its Duff saying he was misquoted but also adding a little dig at axl's more experimental songwriting side.

We all know these songs were a big factor in the band splitting and duff would hardly pick this song as being representative of Axl's songwriting gift if he was offering a genuine opinion. :hihi:

Class move by Duff in my opinion.  Mabey My World is an inside joke between him and Axl who knows?    Can't wait to see Duff tomorrow night for my 3rd rockin VR show at the Spectrum.  ALLLLL yeah!!!!!!

haha thats what I first thought after reading that all of songs he mentioned 'my world' Maybe he is being sarcastic ;D

Everyone is taking stuff to serious, he said he was sorry, he said he was misquoted.. What more can one want? I mean there was no need to even fix the problem..

I don't know what he meant by my world, could be he actually likes the song, or could be saying the only thing axl did alone was my world and I liked it or, my world stinks and this is what he did alone..

Either way this doesn't affect anything, the band split ages ago, this doesn't have any bearing on a new gnr album, it's nothing important nor does it weight on anything..

?'my world' is still one of my favorite songs!!!? - Duff


I kind of read that as sarcasm, as My World possibly rates as (in my own personal opinion) one of the worst GN?R songs ever. No offence intended  ;)

Yeah, "My World" probably is the GN'R song that the most fans hate.

That comment can be read both ways and the people who have issues with Duff will see it as a dig towards Axl.

So, we're basically back at square one.  ;)



/jarmo

good point. That's what I though when I first read his comment too. But I don't think ironic in fact. Maybe he really like this song who knows?

Actually "My World" is one of my favorite songs, I'm only disappointed that it was so short, so I don't necessarily view Duff's words as sarcastic. 

Duff apologized.  I think it's cool of him to actually take time to do that, whether or not you think it's sincere. 

nice that Duff cleared this up  :beer:

My world starts rather rough but developes pretty well
I think axl using all his vocal abbiltys on that, great intenseity : ok:

I dont have issues with Duff, but his comment did make me blink and scratch my head... humorously tongue-in-cheek.
But yeah, Square One is where it's at.  ;D   At least he tried to clear up any misquotes by the poison pen press.

It just ain't fun with Axl not about to reciprocate...

Talking of Axl, is he still alive? I mean, when was the last actual confirmed sighting of the guy?

It makes me wander....if he's kinda unreliable - (assuming the reports of desert wandering are true), do you think Merck and the engineer are left to try and make whats best of the material lying around? Are they playing the role of motivators in an effort to get the CD released?

God I'm so confused!

i dont think duff was being sarcastic but if he was fuck him.  My World is cool.  Matt Sorum made his retard comments on BTM about how he walked in and there was a piano.  His opinion was that this isnt GnR????? So I dont think it was My World.  It was November Rain, Estranged and and song where Axl wanted to stretch out musically,  The old members wouldnt want the blues, madagascar etc....

I wonder when he did the parts for GTA??

I had no clue the guy was alive really through the (94=98) 90s..

The only thing we heard was from rio 4..

I wonder if the fans were telling Duff to fuck off or if Axl contacted him and told him to fuck off.  Something must have led the retraction.  maybe Axl's lawyers.

I think Duff is being sincere when he says he likes "My World". Because he is a Punk rock fan. And "My World" has a punk vibe all over it. I think Duff's all about the "fuck you" songs. Like he wrote "It's So Easy" and "Get In The Ring".... if he wasn't meaning shit, he wouldn't have made this much effort to deny all this crap.

So I do think he actually likes the song and by saying that, he wants to show he respects Axl for doing what he wants to do?

Duff is being sarcastic.

Yeah,this "retraction" means exactly what he said in the first place. I doubt he even rebembers who wrote GNR songs because the drugs and alcohol.


Slash gets all my respect because he's a fuckin genius,but Duff can do fuck himself

Lol. How sad to be a GN'R fan. We haven't got anything for ages, we've discussed everything, had fights over everything, and then, after we had pages focusing on the 'when did Axl lose his virginity?' problem, and had bashed every other musicians who don't like GN'R or Nu-GN'R or Axl, the whole board turns into a hermeneutics course over 'what did Duff mean by saying this and that?'? :crying:

Axl, you'd better release the album? :rant:

it's a funny board sometimes (axl teeth and stuff)
He should say "hello" :yes:

By Duff:

Yeah, sure :hihi: :rofl:
I dont think he  either was serious nor was sarcastic and he wanted to say, "yeah, Axl  music sucks!", I think he was trying to be funny thats it.
Why does everything a Gunner or ex-Gunner says must have a meaning.During 87-93 Duff and Slash said thousands of meaning less lines and nobody sat  to analize what tey were sayng.









Baby Slash//

We didn't have GN'R message boards in 87-93.

"Au contriere mon friere" - Axl (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=9713.0)

How do you guys do this? Some of you seem to have copies of every post save in your computer filed in alpahabetical order or something like that. That post of yours Booker is 11 months old.... :o

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with this, it just amazes me.

On topic, Why Duff apologizes if he's gonna make a sarcastic remark about Axl's music writing skills?

When I first read it, I thought it was sarcasim as well. 


However, who gives a shit.  If it was sarcasim, it wouldn't be anything new.  The old members have been giving little digs ever since they left the band.  Just like dressing up as the New GNR for Holloween.  That's a dig if I have ever seen one, and if you guys don't believe so, your crazy.  And fact that Scott also dressed up (as Axl)  fuckin pisses me off.  Scott should be working as Axl's servant.  Atleast the old guys are somewhat allowed to dig Axl because atleast they worked with him.  Scott should have been booed off stage.   

I like Duff, he is a very smart and articulate cat, props to him. Like he said "You shouldn't believe everything you read" Very true indeed. :yes:

Did that really happen??  I haven't heard anything about it.  :o

Let me get something straight :

Scott does not dress as axl or like axl.

Fashion is back to the styles most 80's and early 90's people used to wear.

Scott is fashionable, not axlable.

Axl did not create a " style", fashion designers did.

Cappiche ?

Search function at the top of the page...

Wish the answer was more exciting.  :-\

contraire booker, contraire  ;D ;) and it's fr?re. :-*

Yep, he's so obviously bein sarcastic, i'm surprised so many people took him seriously! I was reading the first few threads thinking 'damn they don't all think he emans that do they?!' lol. If he wanted to give Axl some respect he would have said 'Madagascar', 'The Blues' or maybe 'November Rain' if it had to be a song from when he was in GNR. There is NO WAY I believe 'My World' is one of his fav songs!It's awful! I see it as an outro more than a song...

Hmmm, thats not nescessarily true. I think Scott does try to dress like some singers (Not Axl though), I've seen him looking very John Lennon and very Jim Morrison in the past. Either way Scott is a genius, I have been a huge fan of STP for nearly as long as i've been a fan of GNR so i'm not about to start slagging Scott off. He doesn't need to copy anyone.
Also I think Scott does like Axl, well Iknow for a fact he loves Appetite For Destruction cos he's said this before in interviews and he has no reason not to like him. I do think it's a bit stupid of VR to dress up like the new GNR, if they did that. I think the old members are going to be shocked when they hear Chinese Democrazy (If and when) because I know it's going to surpass their expectations, they (well Duff anyway) seem to think it's going to be on some crazy techno vibe or something (cos they only refer to OMG and My World) but they never mention 'The Blues' or 'Madagascar', which are undoubtedly great pieces of music and there will be more songs like that on CD, i'm sure. Even if there are a few OMG style songs (But PLEASE NO Silkworms!) inbetween i'm cool with that. I liked Oh My God, and people who i've played it too did also.

I'm not saying that Scott dresses like Axl.? I'm saying that he did in fact dress as Axl for Holloween as a joke.? And Slash dressed as Buckethead.? I'm not sure what the others dressed as.? To me, Scott has no right to do so without getting some shit.?

And your wrong.? Fashion is back in the 70's now.? Not quite back to the 80's yet and definately not in the 90's.

i give duff credit for retracting the quote

Have you seen the belgium designers ????? plus, what i have seen on the catwalks are more 80's than 70's...anyway, let's not have a fashion argument, if you want ,'ill send you photos of next spring, k ? ;)

Yeah ... he's articulate alright.? :hihi:

On topic:? I don't think Duff was being sarcastic.
I wonder if this quote could be used in Axl's favor in that lawsuit over the use/ownership of the songs?? :D

I just think it's cool as hell Duff keeps posting on an internet message board and keeping up with his fans. He really seems to be enjoying the run with VR this time around, and the fact he goes to the velvet revolver forum to talk to the fans is awesome. You can tell they really appreciate all of this alot more than I think they maybe did when they were with Guns.

Ok don't take this the wrong way, but does anybody where any of that stuff that is on the catwalk?  Whenever I see those catwalks, Im say to myself "who in the hell will ever where that".   

Good call, i was wondering if i were the only one that thought that. when i first read that, sarcasm came to mind.

Axl wrote for gnr, my world is one of my favs, everyone even hardcore GNR fans pretty much dont like My world or its without a doubt 90 percent of gnr fans least fav track

so it kinda sounded like a dig in some ways.

ya got it straight Duff...

now shut the fuck up about Axl n' GNR and concern your own band.........that's right ya cant :confused:

Sounds to me like Duff is having a punt both ways here - on the one hand he wants to clarify the situation whilst also making light of the situation - I think Duff really respects Axl and the legacy they share - of all the old members he sounds the most conciliatory

To me- Duff's statement reads as someone who realizes that his previous statement was not 100% factually accurate, but he's not backing down from the basic premise- that Axl gets a hugely disproportionate amount of credit for the success classic Guns enjoyed. (thus the "My World" dig).

I would not expect Axl Rose to be accepting this apology anytime soon. ::)

Man, you people are unbelievable!!!!

Duff comes out and corrects all those false statements, says he's proud of the GN'R legacy and says he likes the song My World. How do you interperate that he is being nasty????

GN'R fans are f**ked in the head. :nervous:

" Au contraire, mon fr?re" ;)  ;) :beer:

I don't think he was being sarcastic.  As someones has already said, he loves the fuck you element of GN'R.  And My World is their biggest fuck you to date.  Just because it's percieved as the point that created their musical differences.  Doesn't mean it was, Don't forget they did spend another 3 years touring after that came out.  And I have read from Slash's opinion that the Guns and Metallica tour was the point where he really lost Axl in terms of seeing eye to eye on his behaviour and direction.

It's really embarresing when fans say he shouldn't comment on GN'R!?  He will always be known as Duff from GN'R. No matter how well recieved the new GN'R album is.   So we have the right to comment and bitch about them and  GN'R - when we have never been involved what so ever.  But he can't say anything about GN'R - even though it was his band and his life? He can say what the fuck he likes, if it upsets you then your the one with the problem.

And also if you can't understand the joke behind VR dressing up as new GN'R and are offended by it on Axl's behalf, then get a life.  We don't even know his opinion on VR or Scott, for all we know they could have met in the past, they seem like they have similar tastes.  If he has even heard about the Halloween night - i'm sure he would see the funny side of it.  Didn't he dress as Barney the dinosaur one year? lol   They guy has a good sense of humour.


 

Blabbermouth reports the story of duff retracting.

Link: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=29022

Re you six?? Geez the band gets ten million questions regarding axl n gnr all the time..Afterall they were a part of it, and since axl is missing and never says anything they all bother the members of vr..

People are so rude, you would think gnr was ONLY axl.. Guys that were in the band should be able to say whatever they want..

hehehe gotta love Duff !

So anyways...

I'm typing out this interview that Slash gave to Guitarist mag in Easter 1992 that's in this new "The Guitarist Book Of Heavy Metal" issue (I'll post the interview and pics - in the Nice Boys section - tonight after I finish typing it out) when I came across these Slash quotes referring to Axl's part in the songwriting process.? The second quote is the one I found most interesting.? The blah... blah... blah...'s below are mine NOT Slash's....I'm only quoting Slash's 'Axl references' here.

Question:? Do you have a writing formula?
Slash:? blah... blah... blah...
?So there?s that sort of innocent element in songwriting, and then some of the stuff is really stupid, like Sweet Child O? Mine, which was actually a joke.? I was going (sings the opening notes) and Izzy started playing chords and then Axl got into it and that?s where that song came from.? So there are so many different scenarios, but I don?t really take songwriting that seriously until we start doing vocals, and I usually put riffs together.? It?s real simple, real basic.?


Question:? What's most important to you in a song?
Slash:? blah... blah... blah...
?Axl works on his piano songs for ages.? He?ll play a part and sing along, and we don?t know where it?s going to go and six months later, I?ve got an arrangement!? All the guitar lines in the song Estranged were based on the piano.? It was like, Okay, keep playing that, it?s coming? and then there it is."

Your crazyif you can't see that this was a dig.? What if one of the new guys or Axl dressed up as Slash?? That would be a dig.? Plus your crazy if you think Axl thought that Scott dressing up as him was "funny".? Yeah, I'm sure that's the first thing Axl did was laugh and say "oh that Scott Weiland, what a character".?

Face the fact that these guys don't like eachother right now.

Maybe Slash's motivation for dressing up as Buckethead was to poke fun at the fact that Gun's N' Roses went from having a guitar legend like himself at lead guitar to a guy wearing a Bucket on his head(even though Bucket is out of the band now). I would bet Slash would argue Bucket couldn't hold his jock, and it makes him sad to see what has happened to his former band.

Mike, that?s his joke about the situation you wrote. Typical. Misunderstandings everywhere.
True, and it?s worse now. Some people are so rude, and they would think newgnr is ONLY Axl?
Guys that ARE in the Band can say whatever they want but can?t say what they don?t want?
It?s THEIR band of which Axl is the head.
When the arm is hurt, the head feels pain.

Your an idiot if you can't see that this was a dig.? What if one of the new guys or Axl dressed up as Slash?? That would be a dig.? Plus your an idiot if you think Axl thought that Scott dressing up as him was "funny".? Yeah, I'm sure that's the first thing Axl did was laugh and say "oh that Scott Weiland, what a character".?

Face the fact that these guys don't like eachother right now.

Yeh call people idots behind your comp why don't you - what a big man, that really adds to the conversation....

Anyway i think the word you're looking for is a bit of "sense".  I'm fucking 24 not 14 i know how to think and I can see things from different sides.  I make my judgements based on being a passionate fan since 1992. I have read the interviews and heard the stories over the years - bullshit and lies included.  You get a good sense of charactor after that length of time watching and listening to these guys.

It all depends on how you want to read things doesn't it?  You can't say for 100% you are right, just like i can't. So why get worked up about it?

Axl nor the VR guys need people sticking up for them, they are grown men in their fucking 40's - most of them.  Let them get on with it. 
But don't assume that just because you have no sense of humour, that others can't take what they see with a pinch of salt.  It was nothing to get worked up over- it was just a laugh. nu-GNR dressing as old GNR?  I'd have no problem at all.  Hand on heart. 

Axl has no reason to feel any grudge with Scott Weiland just because he is in a band with ex-GNR.  It means nothing.  He may be a fan of his work, they like similar music. So no one can assume there's a problem between the two. 
 
I am a big fan of all of them and i will buy the records and support them when they tour. So i would feel such a hypocrit slagging them off on here and then going to their shows.  Their opinions on each other have no influence on my view of their music. 




 

 

Who's a bigger man?  Me calling you an idiot?  Or you telling me to get a life?

Okay, fair enough, but not to the same extent as today.

And we didn't have every rant or comment loaded onto mp3 to analyse and break apart. ;)

"So Fine" is the gayest shit song Guns ever did.   I could puke every time Duff says the sweat I sweat for you yeah you know where that comes from come on  guuuuitar

Ok there's no need to call the guy an idiot but I do agree with what your saying, I too can't see Axl laughing at VR dressing up as the new G'N'R', yeah sure Axl has a sense of humour but that is clearly making a mockery out of his 'new lineup' and Axl is so proud of this new band and the work their doing, i'm sure he'd be offended but I guess like the other guy said none of us know for sure. I am 22 and have been a fan of GNR since '89 when I first got my hands on my brothers Appetite For Destruction cassette! But I am a huge fan of Stone Temple Pilots and VR also so i'm not trying to take any sides here. All these people are extremely talented musicians.

LMAO, what about when he says 'Now I see the stars alright, I wanna reach up and grab one for yoooou'. I love Guns but damn thats one cheesy lyric rite there!

the only reason why duff isnt the biggest loser ever in gnr is because steven adler talks like a retard now.

Oh dear, people who post this kind of drivel really have no idea or respect for the GN'R legacy in my opinion

oh dear?

I think duff is cool, he's always been funny and no single person has probably betterd them selves since gnr then duff.. The man did a complete 180 and now looks great, plus he was in gnr the longest besides axl, so he can't be that bad..

You don't have to like his work, but at least he's gone out there and did stuff..

look at what bumblefoot said, no mention of VR allowed to Axl...no sense of humor there, at least Duff  has one.
Jeez some of you need to loosen up, maybe after ten years the guys can actually laugh about the whole thing and see the funny side.

Geez, Intercourse !!
My Fellow fan, Don?t be a dupe.
You believe that? bumble? In my opinion, He is a full of shit.
How he knows that?? Read them.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=16192.0
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=15980.100


Oops, My bad. That?s decent, Dude.
To be Cheekier I?m going to destroy the trace of my lost bet.? :P

what did bumblefoot say?

he said that he heard some gnr songs,and gnr still do one new album...
i think that this guy is leayer,because when he said that he was conection with gnr menagment,his board was full of gnr and rnr fans

Do you know what really is ridiculous ?

Taking 10 years to make an album is ridiculous.

And saying that "Oh my god" is a great song is ridiculous too.

Besides, the other songs which are not so bad (Madagascar, The Blues) are not Guns N'Roses songs either.
Just Axl Rose' songs !

Do you know what really is ridiculous ?

Taking 10 years to make an album is ridiculous.

And saying that "Oh my god" is a great song is ridiculous too.

Besides, the other songs which are not so bad (Madagascar, The Blues) are not Guns N'Roses songs either.
Just Axl Rose' songs !


Oh for fucks sake! I think Im a pretty chilled out person but boy are you annoying. I know that everyone is entitled to an opinion but either you are just winding us all up with these comments, or you really ent got a clue!! If you are really that enraged with Axl and that convinced that he is now a solo act why do you use this site? I love this message board because we get so many different threads that are varied and constructive, but you always seem to ruin them

Yes, we do. Saying that Axl is dead n Guns N' Roses R.I.P. (1985-1996)

and yet talking bout Axl n GNR is more than ridiculous.

 >:( Stick to your own guns. There?s no Axl for ya. There?s no GNR for ya.
He changes coz he?s alive and kicking. This is what's called METABOLISM.
If you haven?t changed since 1996, I'm afraid YOU're the DEAD.
Vindictive spirit, how long are you haunting the area. Poor soul, rest yourself already. 

He said he wouldn't dear try to replace Slash before even asked.
And he?s heard only The Blues sent to him by a fan till now, claiming he had considered joining up GNR for bloody 2 months.

People are angry and frustrated, but it's not my fault if Axl is ruining his career.

Do you think Guns N'Roses roots have anything to do with NIN or "experimental" music ?
I don't think so and nobody does.

Even if they have to evolve (metabolism as you say), bands must respect their roots. Take a look at great bands like AC/DC, the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith and so on... They evolved, but not in a radical way.

And remember that NIN isn't a band, it's only one guy called Trent Reznor who does mediocre music. This guy should not be an example for Axl !

First off, I wouldn't mention AC/DC, the Stones and Aerosmith as good examples of bands that have evolved, especially not AC/DC who've basically been making the same album over and over for 30 years now (although I do respect them).
And second, Trent Reznor does not make mediocre music ! Let it go already, and take your narrow-mindedness someplace else.

just coz someone changes the style they do, doesn't mean they evolved... Maddy and The Blues are some of the simplest GnR tunes out of the whole catalogue...

Has Axl evolved?  No.  He's just changed his style a bit.  Nothing evolution like about that...

You can still have great music and not make big changes.. With ac/dc they decided to keep it hard rockers, they stayed with what their fans loved.. Think about how many songs they have in rotation on the radio, they kept it simple and aggressive.. Ac/dc would look odd to do thing gnr did ,someone like say metallica released killer albums one after another for like 5 albums. I think their curent music stinks..

Me personally I like afd the best, I also love the hard rockers on the illusions.. I am not crazy about november rain but it still has that gnr sound.. I think with songs like oh my god and silkworms they strayed from what their fan base likes.. I don't want more songs like maddy n the blues because they are boring songs..

Aerosmith hasn't evolved, jesus do you think evolving means changing the entire way you playl?? Aerosmith has hard rockers, blues type songs, ballads and everything else under the sun, but they would not be mistaken for some industrial band..

I'll use vr for an example .,they have hard rockers, fast pace muisc, and some ballads. I hope each time they release music like that..

I would have taken six afd type albums..

It's not about what we like, it's about what the current members of Guns like music wise. Proirity number one is that they should feel happy with the songs they wrote. And if the fans like it....well, that's nice, and if they don't...so what...as long as they are happy with it. Get it?

Fine then change the name, because guns n roses is know for certain types of music.. get it??

Get over the name already. You're not gonna make any "friends" here if you keep repeating the "but it's not GN'R  :crying: " routine.

A band doesn't have to stay the same all the time. There's no rule book for rock bands which says "stick to your format".



/jarmo

Nope. Do AFD and UYI sound same to you?? ???


Have you tried Poison or Darkness? Not exactly the same type but may be close enough for you?..If you don?t think so, I?d introduce you some new band of young and pretty AFD devotees. The point common to these bands is that I can?t stand their music. No offence to their fans. :peace:

Nice that axl might use the new technics developed in music biz
He always used the recording technics availebale, overdubs and different voice recorders, and today with all the new digital equipment and analogue\digital hybrids it looks we're in for some solid product
But still i'm sure he stays faithfull to his roots...

But they've been doing all those things since the very beginning, so there's hardly any evolution, except maybe they make more ballads nows....


Certainly not me (and I do like AFD).

The other day I mentioned Killing Joke in another thread. If you compare what they did 20 years ago to what they've been doing since the 90s, you would almost swear it's not the same band. And no style is better than the other, it's just different. They EVOLVED while maintaining their spirit. And it's still called Killing Joke.

You make it sound like it's guns n roses switching format as the band grew, that isn't the case it's just axl who hired different musicians and they had different backgrounds then what we had become acustomed to..

Your opinion is just like mine, it's an opinion each fan can take it whatever way they like.. Some justify a 6 year wait while others think it's bull, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Axl wanted to evolve, Slash didn't.

Easy as that.




/jarmo

Oh yeah. Maybe you don?t have to wait for a bull and we don?t have to take on any bullies.

Bitter ones seem to have misunderstood something.
Is this your band? No, I don?t think so. This is the band of Axl and his friends. You don?t have any responsibility of this band but they do. You?re just an onlooker just bitching about others business.

Was this ex members band? Yes, it WAS. Not anymore. They?d left nearly a decade ago.

I'm not a bully, I'm rather a nice person if you knew me.. I have been a fan since afd came out, I have one gnr stuck inm my6 head, but I was and am more then willing to give the new band a chance.,. I didn't get floor seats and have a blast at msg on dec 5 for someone who didn't want to give teh new guys a chance,..

Wether anyone owes or doesn't owe or whatever I still get upset (me I me myself n I) that this is taking so long.. When you really want something it's only natural to get angry or annoyed because what you want isn't happening.. It's so close yet so far..

You're right it isn't my band, I just have the way teh band was in my head, you can't just erase that.. I have supported gnr sinc ethey started and will until it ends ,I just get frustrated and express my feeling because of the wait.. Right now for me going on gnr boards the only thing I wan tis cd, or a single, or a toue announcement.. Nothing else matters to me involing gnr..


I'm glad I have vr in my life, I love contraband and it's holding me over nicely an look forward to seeing them..

I was really let down and hurt when the gnr tour ended, a thought everything was goping to finally pan out, now it's two years later and everything seems so out there and nothing good seems to be happening, axl's missing.. I'm being honest, it sucks for me..

When I was a teen I thought gnr would last foreevr and become the best rock band ever..

What was great about GNr was that they could make all types of songs that appealed to their fans. SOme liked the hard rockers, some liek the illusions, most like all. The hwole they should have stuck with their roots is pointless. GNR were huge because there music appealed to all kinds of people. Ballads, rockers, epics,etc.

As Jarmo stated Slash decided for some reason he didnt want to continue that process anymore. He wanted to keep it simple. ANd there is nothing wrong with that. Thats his choice. But that doesnt mean the whole fan base agrees with him.....

Not necessarily...

Beside all the other reasons he (they) had to leave, he wasnt thrilled about the electronic elements.  I dont think he was opposed to ballads, or even epics, but rather "My World," "Oh My God," and "Silk Worms."  But youve convinced yourself that you know exactly why Slash left, so whatever...

I've have issues with the "evolution" theory.?

I've always felt Axl's musical vision was about 2 steps behind whatever was going on at the time, trying to keep the band relevent but always playing catch up and never in fact evolving.

Slash obviously did not believe In Axl's vision and felt it was in fact a step backwards, the quintessential case of musical differences if there ever was one.

I think Axl likes the longer more complex songs.  Slash and Duff loved playing the smaller venues and keeping it strictly hard rock with maybe a ballad or two thrown in for the fans.  I'm really looking forward to CD because it's going to be completely Axl and his views on everything over the last decade and beyond.  He wants this band to be bigger than anything else he's ever been involved in.

I agree...its really not as simple as "Axl wanted to evolve, Slash didnt."

Evolution is a gradual process.  Listen to how gradual the transition from "Dont Cry" to "My World" was.  Bottom line is GNR was rooted in Aerosmith-style rock.  Thats where they all came from, and thats where they were at the bands height.  You could say they evolved on UYI, because while many of the songs featured new dimensions, the general style was similar to their earlier work.  It was still basically hard rock.  Yeah, Axl pulled out the pianos and synths (under protest Im sure), but nothing extreme.

What Axl evetually wanted was not an evolution, but a revolution in GNRs sound.  Considering the style GNR are known for, the switch to electronic, Nine Inch Nails-inspired music is a radical one, not a gradual one.  And obviously the rest of the band didnt share that vision.  So to simply call it "evolution" is an understatement, in my opinion.  Theres a fundamental difference in Aerosmith (or even Queen)-style rock and Nine Inch Nails/White Zombie-style rock.  Its a direction that Slash and the others werent comfortable with, and rightfully so. 

So yeah, it was creative differences.  It was also a ton of other, inside shit that destroyed the band, which dispels the "Easy as that" assertion.  The ex-members have said publicly that they encouraged Axl to pursue his electronic ambitions outside of GNR, which seems like a very logical compromise.  Saying "Axl wanted to evolve" is certainly sympathetic to Axl, but one could just as easily say "Axl wanted to change the bands sound."  It doesnt sound as nice, but its probably more accurate.

Ok Booker, "musical differences".

Ever heard that been used before when describing why a band broke up?  :hihi:




/jarmo

Wow ! That was a totally fair and balanced observation regarding that issue. Respect man, you wrote down what I've been thinking for a long time, but I just diden't manage to articulate myself as good as you just did. I agree 100%

Very well put.. When I first heard oh my god I thought it was a drastic change from what we knew gnr to be..Same goes with silkworms, it's just not the gnr music most of us came to like.. As you said even with the addition of the piano and so on it was still gnr sounding and rock n roll, still on the level of queen n aerosmtih, which is cool because those were/are gnr's influences..

I personally hope that those songs were just a phase and that since oh my god wasn't a hit that axl redid songs to more of what he did in the past..
Nobody knows what the album will sound like or anything of that nature but if they did go in a rob zombie, nins type direction it wouldn't be for me, I actually liked white zombie.. Just let white zombie nin do their thing and we will always have that option for that type of rock, but I would rather gnr do what they do and stay on the hard rock past with the same influences..
Also axl is an individual so why go down a path of someone that came after you..

i assumed "oh my god" as a "garden of eden" type of song. and way better than "garden of eden".
"oh my god" could very easily be on UYI on my point of view, although it's a lot heavier than must stuff on those albums.
but it's a very interesting song - the drums are probably the best ever on any Gn'R track, the bass line is also insane, the guitars are killers, the lyrics are typical Axl, and i just hope it sounds better on any future release production-wise, since the "end of days" version was a demo.
i don't ear anything "industrial" on that song. it's more a Metal song for me, with some modern touches. Definitly Gn'R!

yes,oh my god is great song.
and it's very heavy song,and for me that song =right next door to hell and garden of eden

Weird. Here, on topic, ?Duff stated that he likes "My World".
So do I. ?And "Oh MY God" is my favorite. Great.

Surely, most people prefer evolution to revolution. But Rock n' roll used to be revolutions or mutations in music.


I know you?re a good fella. ;)
I was talking to the evil spirit you're possessed with.
It plagues good men like you with anxiousness and yearning for the Restoration.

All this discution about evolution made me thinking about spinal tap .... they've lost a drummer or two ... sang the flower people in the 70s and Big Bottom in the 80s... I just can't remember when "Stonehenge" was written ....  :rofl:

Just to say once more that this endless debate about the name of the band and so on is stale and I can't figure out why we're still debating it. It just feels like we're really discussing about Spinal Tap here .... they deserve better.

funny.. I think everyone talks about these issues because there really isn't a stone that hasn't been turned on gnr topics n ew n old already so it always seesm to come back to these type of issues..


I started visiting forums after the vmas and alot of those topics were beat to death, I guess with the lack of news and playing th blame game these topics come back into rotation..
Once the album comes out and something happens these topics will never be brought up again..

Sometimes I think every gnr forum should be a read only until something worthy of discussion surfaces because these topics get recycled all the time and people disagree..

I agree but it's ok to disagree on the issue and let it rest. I'm an admin at French GT and an active member at gnrfrance forum and eventually, after some pretty heavy fights, members agreed to disagree and not to end up every thread about gnr with the name issue.
And when a newbie comes w/ the issue it's like an old joke and most of us jus go w/ "oh no, not again" type of answer.  ;) But you know I'm still here reading the thread that tells a lot about my mental state !  ;) ;D

Yeah I love the newbie questions... I gues it's a first time for someone..
I have to ask with the French gnr fan forums how many members are there..? I only know english speaking forums..

 :hihi:

The fact that I don't like Reznor's music doesn't mean I'm narrow-minded.


I'm just trying to be realistic... :yes:

And you're being realistic by not liking Reznor's music?