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Nesquik got me thinking. I'll leave this open, but what opportunities is Axl talking about? What could this mean for Chinese Democracy. B's Departure allows them to do what for CD? I dont remember reading anyone talking about this.

So, what could these opportunites represent? Represent, and B, come on back dude.

For real...  What the fuck? I think Axl knew Buckethead's departure would only worsen the situation by giving the media and us yet another thing to criticize the band about.  So they basically made up this bullshit story of how it would help the band... knowing it wasn't true. That's what I think anyways.... But we'll probably never know what the fuck Axl meant by those statements.

Bucket come back you fucker!

Man, that is how I interpreted it too.

I had wondered it myself, what I thought was a few things, but this stuck out in my mind..

I thought that he felt he could do better recording wise/speed without buckethead because he was delaying parts and now he could just use finck or fortus to finish them at a rapid pace.. Maybe he just felt with bucket out he could just use his reliable players, but hat's just a guess.

The reason I felt this is because I'm sure all the writing was done ,the riffs, and solos as well, so just playin them was left..

I wish I knew how long buckethead was slacking off for.?

BH's leaving might've been actually good news in terms of chemistry, atleast based on Tommy's pretty disheartened comments on the guy. As for the recording - it probably was a bluff. Could be a bit similar situation to when Robin left in '99 and Brian May was brought in to work on his parts.

"Robin's departure was abrupt, sudden, you know, not expected... [...] but at the same time, it's turned out to be a good thing. We've been able to push some of the guitar parts a step farther, that had he been here, it's not something that would have been considered, and I wouldn't have been rude enough to attempt to do that. " - Axl

"Axl was feeling that er he was in a difficult place because the guitarist that he'd been working with on this new album had sort of replaced Slash, because er they fell out, sadly. I think that is sad actually, 'cos they both, well you know, brilliant talents and great with each other, but the guitarist that had done most of the tracks had departed and Axl had a real emotional attachment to what he'd done, and yet he didn't want him on the album - and I hope I'm not saying too much here - he didn't really want him to stay on the album because he'd disappeared, you know - so he's feeling a kind of divided loyalty and he said: 'Brian, can you come and do stuff which I WILL LIKE, (laughing) and I won't feel too bad about ditching this other stuff?'" - Brian May


I think that's what Axl meant - if you quit, you're off the record. Hard to say if he's even considered re-recording all of BH's parts with someone else, but if there's a new guitarist, he just might visit the studio to do some guitar tracks, for better or for worse.

I agree, it was a case of turn a bad situation into a good one. Some PR exec probably wrote the statement for Axl and advised this.

Besides that, maybe he just meant it would give them freedom to get the record finished without the hang up of a band member who just wasn't committed (apparently)

Damn good question that I also thought about!

I always figured it was a bull$hit story to evade the Lisbon concert cause Axl wasn't ready. Now that we generally know Bucket is gone I don't know what to make of the press release. It could have been chemistry. I always wondered how Bucket would just stand there while the others were rocking to Paradise City or Jungle! If I was a lead I would be all over the place playing!. I am not dissing Bucket - he's awesome! - but chemistry wise I am not sure if he fit in. I would be happy either way, because he was quite talented.
That said, does Axl feel embarrassed about asking band members to do different things and try harder? I say this because Axl always says once the band member has been ejected is to " Push the Guitar parts further..." What the hell does that mean?

Good Topic!!

Isn't the answer obvious? ???

GUNS N' ROSES CHINESE DEMOCRACY TOUR 2005
Sponsored by:? KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN? ?:hihi:

It means nothing, IMO. Just like everything else that comes from Axl's camp, it's just a bunch of meaningless BS, & it doesn't mean anything.

Im still wondering why Axl hired BH in the first place. It was an odd choice and im glad BH is gone. GNR resembled Limp Bizkit or Marlyn Manson too much.

Buckethead couldn't be farther from Limp Bizkit or Manson.... WTF? Sure he's got a gimmicky look but aside from that I don't think he's out to please the TRL crowd anytime soon. In fact the closest he has ever been to that is when he was with GnR if you ask me....  And  that's no diss to GnR but they are more mainstream than anything Bucket has ever done.

I'm sure that we will get something on gnronline along the lines of "On the subject of Buckethead Axl commented:..". ;)

 :beer:

I really don't want Buckethead on the album, but not if it is gonna delay this thing even further.  I would like to see Robin handle the lead guitar duties on his own.  The we can really compare if the new GNR really upgraded their lead guitar position from the guy that wore a top hat. 

See, the thing is, is that if you remove Buckethead from the album, you aren't just eliminating the obvious guitar work. You would be removing the sounds he makes with his guitar and effects that isn't obviously coming from him. He adds a lot of trippy layers to the music, that I think adds to, what I am sure is, an already pretty canvas. The dude, does these things that if he is removed completely, will alter not just his guitar solos and leads. I think it was these things that make him who he is. How eclectic, experimental, and well, trippy.

Who he is, is what gave this new GNR an added opportunity for respect from the music insiders, and to break through to music lovers and aficionados.

Taking Axl at his word, what opportunity for the music could his departure from the project possibly be. The music is infinitely more important to the world then the live shows. Look no further then the Beatles. I don't accept that the opportunity was just to benefit the live form of GNR. That is bullshit. It has to be first and foremost about the music, and the music that is on the album. That is what will be remembered and that is what in the end anyone cares about. The live show, is only a small pimple on the ass of the music recorded in terms of importance.

I still can't see what these opportunities that Axl talked about could be? That make sense dude?

:idea: How about this plain and simple one?

opportunity = More time for tweaking and twiddling

ppbebe, you are probably right.

Which, makes this a damn shame.

Re-Named old topic - but I liked Buckedhead - I loved him - I wish that he was still in the fold - if he can't be life goes on sadly

Is it? I don't remember reading a topic on what Axl said. Man I just wanted to have what has been said about this Opportunity elaborated on. I think this was a strange thing to say.

Maybe it was just a cheap ploy to buy Axl more time in the studio. But what if he really meant what he said? 

well tommy also thinks its a good thing that BH left.  I just think the guy is a dick.  He probably caused tension in the band and held shit up.  Brain is still there.  Fuck him.  I just hope they rercord his parts.  I love his playing but Axl deserves someone who will be happy that they are in Guns n Roses and be dedicated.

Maybe buckethead was just bored, it's not a hard thing to believe when you're in guns n roses....Look at how long everything takes..Recording had been going on for a few years before the vmas so it can't all be buckethead's fault..

Maybe the man just saw the writing on the wall and kn ew that being in this band would just be a waiting game and the fact he wasn't the full lead guitarist is also a joke.. Imagine being buckethead and being a artist that makes a living on solos to have to share the lead with finck...?

Buckethead gave the new gnr a gimmik, some type of attraction, notice how many poeople got into buckethead during the tour.. I think it's a loss, and tommy said the parts weren't going to be recorded over.. If it's being mastered or whatever it's obvious it isn't getting done over, shit teh album should be waiting for the plastic to wrap it with the price tag..

The opportunity to perpetuate the blame game even further....

It's just people throwing out feelings, it's a message board it doesn't matter.. Not one person knows anything for sure regarding anything, it's just fun, like a mystery you figure out.. :hihi:

I take what oneway said as being about Axl, and not what we say in here. And mikegiuliana...I hope you are right man, about B's parts not being removed and recorded over. If B doesnt get credit on CD, that will be sorry.

When I first read that statement I took it as Buckethead leaving had given Axl and co the 'oppertunity' to work with some amazing guitar player who would become the replacement for Buckethead. In a similar way to Robin leaving in 99 thus giving Axl the chance to work with Brian May.
However now this looks unlikely since the stuff with Bumblefoot and interviews with Tommy saying there is no replacement for BH and they don't need one etc. Unless they do have this amazing replacement and Tommy and Dizzy are in on it and they want to keep it as a HUGE surprise...

BUT it's probably just like that other guy said, Axl's pissed off so he has to say something to make it look as though he's not bothered.

As for GNR continueing with NO replacement for BH, I find this unlikely. If BH was never really neeeded then why have him there? Sure maybe the other guys can handle BH's parts on record but they obviously need a 3rd guy live.
And on the topic of re-recording BH's parts, I believe Axl will have BH's parts re-done. The reason for this is cos this is AXL's album as we've said before, he wants this to be perfect and if he has fallen out with Buckethead do you really think he wants the album to go out with someone who he doesn't like playing guitar on it???That would just piss you off every time you listened to it,plus he said Buckethead used GNR for attention, why give him more attention by releaseing the album with him on?? I (like the rest of you) just want the album out, with or without Buckethead cos I don't have anything against the guy and he was an amazing player bur in reality I really think Axl will remove his parts thus delaying the album. I think February is the earliest we will see the album.

i guess the new stuff we haven't heard is kinda complex, so they really need guitar players. don't you need 3 guitar players for locomotive to be played correctly? if there'S more stuff like that, someone really is needed...

Well, being in a band is like having a family.  If someone in the group is being an ass it breaks the energy of everyone.  So obviously he is thinking of the future of the new GnR! ::)

I can't understand some of you people ???. When Buckethead was in the band everyone was going on and on about him being the best thing that could happen to GN'R. Now he's gone you are all happy that he's gone? That's it's for the best? ::)

How the fuck can it be good. All it means is that CD will take longer to release now cos of Buckethead's departure. The only plus i see is that without BH the band will look less like a joke. But without his skill the album may suffer.

the current members says his parts is not removed

The most members in this newgnr has mot been 1. range stars like axl, kylie britney, elvis, steven tyler and on and on, the next biggest celebrity (or former it's been a while for axl) is buckethead. He's a soloartist or? Like satriani?

If so, maybe that ruins the chemistry in some way, like the axl and slash feud

Buckethead is insane on guitar, it's bad he wen't but 'll stick to axl and co if they think it helps the band

I agree with you. I think he was bored with the whole process; perhaps became more interested in getting things done with his solo and collaborative works and neglected any responsibiliites he had in gnr. I do the same thing when I have a professor who is lax with accepting assignments; if there are no firm deadlines then the process gets dragged out forever.

Axl needs to leave bh's work on the album.

And put in the liner notes

"special and sincere thanks to buckethead for all his contributions to this album"

Fuck rerecording all the stuff... i mean by the time everything was rererecored robin or richard, or brain will leave....

At some point it just has to been done

Man, Axl putting that in the "we'd like to thank" section would be as cool as it would be classy. I am going to go with my gut that in the end, Axl really is a class act. Keeping B's work in, and writing something like what you wrote here, would go a long way to prove how cool and classy Axl is. I think he is and hope I won't be proven wrong. We will have to find out if I am eventually.

The opportunity to come up with a whole slew of new, pathetic excuses as to why he can't release an album.

Everyone loved buckethead and said he was amazing, now alot of people are so happy that he's gone.. AMAZING!  :hihi:

Man, I don't see how anyone could be happy if he is out of the GNR fold.

Look at it this way man. GNR, if we are all being honest and shit, are pretty easy targets for shit talking. Bucket gave GNR the only thing they have seemed to lack in critics eyes for years. Credibility.

Part of still thinks B is still going to be involved in GNR in some form. Maybe I am an optimist, and feel that his contributions to Chinese Democracy will be heard whenever this album drops. It will give the album immediate credibility, and the biggest haters won't be able to touch this. He silenced an aweful lot of the haters in 2002, and made it a lot easier to back GNR because of him. To me, he gave GNR an opportunity.

But, I am an Axl fan, and will take him at his word. In the end it can only come down to the music. I can't see how B's departure could help the music, but right now, I don't have to.


I just hope after the album hits the streets, and the innitial high wears off, that I won't have a thought pop into my head about how much better the music would have been.

??? I missed such a time Everyone loved buckethead and said he was amazing. I thought he?d been ill-treated by haters along with other new members.
Now who?s all happy other than die hard bucket haters??
I know many people sorely miss him and make bluffs, like someone did.