Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Former GUNS N' ROSES and current ADLER'S APPETITE drummer Steven Adler recently spoke to "Smart-Ass Midday Goddess" J.D. Page of Worcester, MA's WWFX-FM 100.1 The Fox about his work with GN'R, his cocaine-induced stroke and his current band. Several excerpts from the interview follow:

J.D. Page: I wanna know, just off the bat, so that I don't tread on any sensitive areas. What is the question you are most sick of being asked?

Steven Adler: "Stroke shit. The coke-induced stroke. But that one's getting a little old. That, and 'What's Axl like?' I couldn't even tell anymore. I don't even know the guy."

J.D. Page: He's turned himself into a human quilt.

Steven Adler: "Yeah, he did, didn't he?"

J.D. Page: I mean, look at all the surgery and adjustments and implants and tucks he's had done?

Steven Adler: "I have nothing to say against him except for all I know is he never had that much hair when I hung out with him. But that's alright. Some of us have it, some of us don't."

J.D. Page: Do you find that when people ask you about the stroke, is it out of genuine concern, or is it out of morbid curiosity and they just want the dirt?

Steven Adler: "I think it's half and half. So many people have been so wonderful to me and so nice to me, but I also get the 'Hey, you're all drunk and high' and stuff, because sometimes when I talk I slur a little bit. But that's from the stroke."

J.D. Page: I understand completely. My grandmother had a stroke and she ended up being a complete vegetable, so I think you got off a little lucky.

Steven Adler: "I think I did, too. In fact, I know I did. And I've never been more appreciative of being able to play for people. It's so wonderful. And I appreciate meeting and love meeting everybody I've met."

J.D. Page: That's a complete change from an interview I saw you do back when GUNS N' ROSES was just totally blitzkrieging the entire world.

Steven Adler: "I'm still the same person, but it was a different time."

J.D. Page: You found some lessons, learned the hard way.

Steven Adler: "A lot of lessons, and they were hard lessons, but I made it through it. I never thought I'd make it that far ? most people don't."

J.D. Page: The rock 'n' roll lifestyle took a toll on not just your physical self, but your spiritual, your mental outlook, and have you recovered from it?

Steven Adler: "It's recovered a lot, but you know what? The rock 'n' roll lifestyle is pretty much my whole life anyway. Since I've been 12 years old, I've lived that same life. So nothing really changed except that I made more money. And I didn't have to go to work every morning. I survived, and I'm thankful for what I've done. Even if I never get to play with GN'R again, if we never get back together, I'm just so happy that I had the opportunity in my life to play with them and do the music that I've done."

J.D. Page: You were a part of rock 'n' roll history. That can never be erased.

Steven Adler: "Yeah, I'm OK with that. I mean, I would love to, more than anything, play with the guys, but if God doesn't see it that way, then I'm still glad I did what I did with them. 'Cause they're great, great guys. Slash, especially Izz, and Axl ? the jackass that he is, he's a really wonderful guy. And I love being a part of their lives."

J.D. Page: What do you think of the whole success with VELVET REVOLVER? Have you heard "Contraband"?

Steven Adler: "I've heard it, and I saw them play in Vegas. Anything that Slash and Duff do is gonna be great. They're so cool you can't stop looking at them."

J.D. Page: What about your album? You've got something coming out, don't you?

Steven Adler: "So far, we've got 10 songs down. I want 20-25 songs to be able to pick from, but everything's been going so great, I've been playing so much. My band ? Robbie Crane, Keri Kelli, Brent Muscat, Jizzy Pearl ? I've just been having the greatest time with."

I can't believe that the title of this thread is "Adler:AXL Never Had That Much Hair When I Hung Out With Him".

I find the rest of the interview much more interesting.

If we've been reduced to picking out lines like that out of former members interviews then things are worse than I thought.

For the love of God.....

@#$%Funker

"I find the rest of the interview much more interesting"

I second that...

blame borivoj from Blabbermouth  :P

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=28075

aaaw steven seems like sucha nice guy!!! he wants to get back together... how adorable!

someone tell Adler the bingo hall is calling, his band is up next.

i respect that ex members are sayin' what they think but it pisses me off when there like, i love the guy but.........

talk about your own band, they all Need Axl to lean on :rant:

interesting read. Thanks for the story. I really dont care if Axl is bald or has a full head of hair. Im 24 and   Im starting to thin out on top. If I had the money Axl has I'd gladly get some hair plugs or surgery to have my balding fixed. No big deal Hollywood has changed over the last 10 years. Noone cares how much plastic surgery someone has had done unless you are some bullshit journalist or some radio jock looking for attention. I can speak for radio jocks since I am one and they are some of the ugliest weirdest people  anyone could ever meet. I hate it how sometimes Steven says  they all turned there back on me they were best friends who let me down. He needs to realize he has a serious problem and his friends could of done the best thing for him by letting him go.

It just goes to show how shit the press is, when Steven gets asked "what do you hate being asked the most", and then the interviewer proceeds to base the next section of the interview asking him about these very things.

Oh but wait, Steven is a bad guy right, because he slagged off Axl? No, he didn't, the interviewer put fucking words in his mouth, just like what used to happen to Axl back in the day (see Get in the Ring...).

Credit to Steven for picking himself up and getting back out there. So what if he relied on Appetite for Destruction as a stepping stone to get out there again; those songs are as much his as they are anyone else's.

I wish him good luck with the album, I hope it rocks!  : ok:

my only problem with this is, if axl came out and talked about steven's drug problems and how messed up he is now because of it, there would be a virtual riot on this board. Steven to his credit didnt really bash axl which was cool but just sayin if he did hypothetically speaking people would tear axl a new asshole.

If Axl talked about how little talent Duff possessed and how he was the least valuable member of GNR, people would hit the roof (duff was the least valuable member by the way)

but why the fuck is it ok for DUFF,Slash, and everyone else to talk about axl?

To answer an above poster, i love Velvet Revolver but Axl Rose i love more, so i wont stop loving VR but i can support their band without agreeing with their slamming of axl.

i will always love their cd but they will never take axl's place so i do get offended when axl hasnt attacked them in that way.


Axl Rose did more for Steven than all the members of GNR combined. wasnt it Axl who gave Steven some of his royalites? did slash,izzy,or duff do that?

and it wasnt Axl alone that kicked Steven out of the band. come to think of it, axl didnt kick anyone out of the band after that joint decision to fire adler.

I think what irritates me the most about this interview is the interviewer.  He(?) is clearly pulling this "Let's be buddies and talk shit about Axl" nonsense because he thinks it's cool, or will score points with Steven or others.  But you know if he was interviewing Axl himself, he'd be kissing his ass. 

to get back to the hair issue, I took it as meaning that Axl didn't have much hair on his body, i.e perhaps he shaved his legs, chest, ect. he clearly had a head of long flowing hair.

Steven did answer the question: i think he would be served better by not involving himself in some puerile discussion whose answers will only serve to bash some former member. Axl did alot for Steven, but the interviewer doesn't seem to care that Adler almost killed Axl's wife. I think it's a bit vindicative to ask a loaded question to a guy who almost made a criminial mistake that would have taken a human life.

"I mean, I would love to, more than anything, play with the guys, but if God doesn't see it that way, then I'm still glad I did what I did with them. 'Cause they're great, great guys. Slash, especially Izz, and Axl ? the jackass that he is, he's a really wonderful guy. And I love being a part of their lives."

I happen to think that this was very nice of steven.. some people might take out the "i wouldnt join axl's band for a billion dollars" quote but he's not talking about axl's new band.. he's talkin about the original..

and i honestly dont think steven's trying to knock axl.. i agree with Sterlingdog.. i think the interviewer is just assuming that since steven was kicked out of the band, he can make steven like him by badmouthing axl..

No offense D, but are you blind? There are just as many  if not more people who hit the roof when someone talks about Axl. How many times have you seen someone say anything  even remotely negative about Axl  and everyone on here gets all bent out of shape? Everytime someone mentions Axl that isn't praising him, posters on here call that person a liar and a loser. They accuse them of being jealous and bitter. Their past drug abuse problems are always brought up.   The funny thing is, it doesn't matter if it is an ex-member or if it's someone totally unconnected to GNR saying something about Axl because some posters on here will get bent out of shape and start with the insults.

Why don't you ask people like Dave how he can throw a fit when someone mentions Axl in a negative light but it's ok for Axl to bash everyone? It goes both ways.

That being said, I don't know what your post had to do with this thread. Steven didn't really say anything wrong, but of course some people are still going to take what he said the wrong way since he didn't praise the man.  ::)

This topic is so tired. I don't know how many threads there has been about Axl's hair. I don't lose any sleep worrying about his choice of hair styles or whatever. What does all this prove? Is he less of a musician? No.

The thing that's annoying, is that the hair comment isn't truthful.

Adler was kicked out of the band in 91', and to my knowledge, Axl and Steven never hung out after that.

We all know Axl had a full head of hair back then.  Even now, we don't know what the deal with Axl's hair is.  At Rio, he had a full head of hair.

Right.  And Stevens point is, even when Axl had a full head of hair, it was never as full as it is now, which is odd.

Oh.  I misinterpreted that comment.

Great post man...great post.

You are missing the point. The point is the people that like slash, duff and izzy more than axl think its ok when they talk bad about Axl but the minute axl says anything bad about them they all go calling Axl an asshole for 80 pages and stuff like that.  And the fact is axl hardly ever talks about the old guys, its always slash and duff who bring up or talk about axl. 
My whole point is always why is it ok for slash, dizzy and izzy to talk about axl yet axl cant say anything about them.

You're like axl's girlfriend, you don't seem to like anyone but him, you're like the dizzy reed of the web,,

Axl hardly ever talks, period.

I'm surprised how you underrate Duff. A lot of musicians that I know think that Duff had the key role in GN'R. Some of my musician friends even say that he's the only one who's really good.  ??? Duff's not my favourite member, but as a musician I really admire him.

The Axl vs Steven thing... After Steven was fired he did some interviews and he said he didn't have harsh feelings against anyone in his ex-band, but Axl. Steven said that he and Axl weren't friends and Axl wanted him to be fired.

This is some interesting stuff from the most recent  http://www.crazewire.com/features/20041018460.php

Highlights: Axl costs Steven a chance to play in AC/DC

An excerpt from Crashing the Video:

I told them it was fate because when I first moved to LA I had lived in the same condo?s as GnR?s original drummer, Steven Adler, who was kicked out of the band by Axl Rose for being a drug addict. (never mind that Adler?s replacement Matt Sorrum recently bragged about doing half the coke in Columbia to Rolling Stone). Adler and I became stoner buddies and I drove him to the methadone clinic a few times, as he didn?t have a driver?s license. Adler?s favorite thing to do was sit in his living room, smoke a bong and play ?Civil War? from Use Your Illusion 2 while playing fetch with his dog, a pug named Shadow. It was the last song that he recorded with the band.


?Listen to those drums on Use Your Illusion man, you can tell when it?s me and not the other guy. Just listen ? the other shit doesn?t even sound the same.? I have to agree with him ? there was something missing from GnR on the Illusion albums, an intangible fire. Axl wrote some great songs, like ?Breakdown? and ?Dead Horse? but it came across a little bit too polished on the album. Sadly, GnR fans never got the sequel to Appetite.


When I knew Adler, he wasn?t upset that he was kicked out of Guns and Roses. ?Asshole Rose, I mean Axl Rose and I never got along. He used to always punch me in the balls, for no reason at all. But the worst thing he did was go on MTV at the video awards and say I was a junkie. You just don?t do that, especially when you use (drugs) too. I was all set to join AC/DC and move to Australia, but the manager called the morning after Axl said that shit and told me it wasn?t going to work out.?

oh my lord

what a sad bunch

and oh.. to comment on topic specifically.... yeah, whatever...
as with all the ex-members - apparently in the opinion of journalists (at least) the most interesting thing about any of them is that they once knew Axl Rose  ;D

Wow if your musicians friends say that they must be right not taking anything away from Duff and being a bassist you dont nearly get the attention you deserve; but Duff the only one that was really good?? tell your musician friends to pull their heads outta there asses to take a listen.

Yeah, I don't agree with them, I think every GN'R members did a great work on the albums. I wouldn't call myself a musician, but since I played in numerous bands and playing guitar for 14 years, I think that I have some sense and unerstanding to music and I'm sure that Duff wasn't the only good player in the band, but he was (and is) a really good bass player.  :peace:

Oh dear that's so sad, poor steven :rofl:

but sometimes people forget that axl can be a real asshole. axl did some bad stuff to slash/duff/... too. if not why bashing him all the time? the only difference between axl and them is, that axl moved on. so let 'em talk shit about axl, it doesn't matter anymore.

Steven is great, but listening to him nowadays, it's real sad...

Rock On

im not sayin they arent important at all, they are important just not as important as vocals,lyrics,melodies and guitar in my opinion.

if u take duff out of GNR and replace him with someone and have the exact same GNR lineup can anyone honestly tell me that GNR wouldnt have still ruled the music world?

he does nothing on bass like a les claypool or Flea.

everything Duff does on bass can be duplicated by any other bassist.

the uniqueness of Axl,Izzy,SLash and Adler were more important to GNR's success in my opinion.

take away axl,izzy,slash or adler and i dont think appetite sounds the same

u have its so easy opening and the cool melodic part on SCOM and even though its cool i think SCOM still goes to number one without that bass line

that is my point.

I don't know. Duff wrote the famous riff of Paradise City, so he was a very important member without a doubt. On the other hand a player like Flea or Claypool would have killed Guns N' Roses IMO. I think Duff was very important not only as a bass player, but as a 'multi-instrumentalist', 'cause he was (and is) able to think with the other guys head since he played their instrument, too (on a level). I agree that some of the AFD songs could have been played by another bassist and we wouldn't find a difference - but he's really outstanding on the UYI albums. :peace:

Are you sure?
To be fair, I thought Welcome To The Jungle wouldn?t have been half as marvelous as it is, if it not had been for Duff?s bass. :-X

was duff more valuable than slash?============= NO
was duff more valuable than Izzy?============= NO
was duff more valuable than steven?========= id say no maybe a push
was duff more valuable than axl?======== NO

sayin Duff was the least valuable isnt putting him down but someone has to be and goin by contributions he is the least valuable

its like the survivor games, when it gets down to the final 2 or 3, u dont hate any of the songs but there are some u like just a little more.

same here, duff is great, i like duff, but if there were a thread (which im sure dead horse has some) out of the original GNR outside of adler *only cause people's prejudice of adler make them automatically vote for him* Duff would get the most votes.

GNR wouldve still been a huge monster without Duff.

its hard to think about cause its been branded in our brains since we were young, but if PC started out with the riff and lyrics i think it wouldve been just as strong cause who knows what izzy or slash wouldve came up with as an intro.

The bottomline is that no one knows the processes of how those songs were written.

Axl could have sang lyrics or improvised something that inspired the others to write some music around it.  Or it could have been the other way around. We don't know.

But you people seem to forget the vocalist's role.  Axl came up with how the songs should be sung.  The melodies, the rhythm, everything.   We know that because of the personality Axl has. 

Without Axl, you don't have the songs.  Bottomline.

i took a page outta my good pal SLC punks page and i did some research.

some of you are not getting what im saying. im not saying duff sucks or his contributions werent great, cause they were. However whether it be a sports team,band whatever you can rank the members. If someone made u choose, if they gave u a GNR cd and said you have to choose one to get rid of, guitars,vocals,bass or drums i would choose bass cause a song can survive without it.

now i did some good research here. songsDUFF cowrote or wrote
Its so easy
Nightrain
Paradise city
used to love her
dust n bones
bad apples
civil war
get in the ring
so fine


IZZY  contributed on
nightrain
out ta get me
mr brownstone
paradise city
my michelle
think about you
sweet child o mine
youre crazy
anything goes
rocket queen
reckless life
move to the city
patience
used to love her
right next door to hell
dust n bones
dont cry
perfect crime
you aint the first
bad obsession
double talkin jive
bad apples
14 years
pretty tied up

holy fuck i never realized how enormous izzy's contributions were! WOW!


anyhow my point is if u had to choose a least valuable member it would be duff, im not slaggin on the guy, i mean its not a slap in the face to be the least valuable member of GNR.

would GNR be huge without DUFF? maybe maybe not

but i guarantee they would have had a much better chance of  being huge without duff than they would have without slash,izzy or axl

thats how i came to my conclusion.

once again im not sayin duff sucks, im not taking anything away from his great contributions but hypothetically speaking if u had to choose it would be a no brainer

you could have a song without bass if u really had to, but u couldnt without drums so that puts adler over duff.
and izzy,slash and axl are self explanatory


please no one else give me this conductor of the band bullshit, that was so corny on those tokyo videos.

edit:  post over if u wanna see slash and axls contributions scroll down




SLASH contributed on
wttj
nightrain
out ta get me
mr brownstone
paradise city
scom
youre crazy
rocket queen
reckless life
used to love her
dust n bones
perfect crime
garden of eden
dont damn me
bad apples
coma
civil war
get in the ring
locomotive

AXL *everything but
its so easy
think about you
move to the city
patience
dust n bones
you aint the first
bad obsession
double talkin jive
prety tied up
so fine

final score card of contributions no duplicates count as in *dont cry alt,youre crazy acoustic or covers, there are a grand total of 44 original songs in the GNR catalog 12 on appetite,5 on lies *not countin acoustic youre crazy* 15 on uyi 1 12 on uyi 2


1.axl   34 songs
2.izzy  24 songs
3.slash  19 songs
4. duff   9 songs


thats my evidence to my jury of peers, the only songs we know for certain we wouldnt have period without duff are its so easy and so fine.  i would say in my opinion but the evidence is overwhelming!   if u had to choose it would be duff!

Duff was part of Guns N' Roses. It's pretty hard (=impossible) to say how things would have turned out if he wasn't there, but he was.

I think this is a pointless discussion.? ?;D

it is very pointless and to be quite honest i have exactly zero idea how this convo got turned this way. talk about being off topic. :hihi: im through commenting on this because it is pointless.

Not that it matters because I could care less about axl's hair quantity, I just don't like the brades..

Axl rose is like a few people I knew in their twentys, whenever you see the paradise city video you can see even in 1988 he has thinning hair, and for alot of guys I knew who had thin hair in their twentys were somewhat bald by their 30's.. I'm not saying axl is, nor do I care, I'm just saying what typically happens with people who have thin hair when they're young..

As for steven I wouldn't say axl didn't have much hair, I'd say it was thin/ fine hair..

is hard to say, i mean if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it usually is a duck.

axl's hair at rock in rio 3 was thick as fuck

i dont care what u do u cannot change hair texture, if u have fine hair u cant make it thick, it just doesnt work that way, however it was shorter and sometimes when u have very long hair and u cut it shorter it gives it a thicker appearance plus it was a little darker parted in the middle instead of on the side.

axl in the early 90's had a normal male pattern hairline, it wasnt receding it went around perfectly like males hairlines are suppose to.

when a hairline is receding *see eddie vedder* the sides of the bangs are like mid head but axl's wasnt like that.

A guy I workout with has hair plugs, his hair looks amazing, you have to really look to notice the stitch work or whatever you like to call it...

WIth someone like axl I could never imagine him going bald and showing it.. If it happened gradually and he was around year after year it wouldn't be a big deal because it's normal, but to be gone for years n years and to change drastically it would be very freaky and he would be the butt of every joke, ten times worse then the braides..

It's not important, but he iwas a man thinning in his twentys, and now he's in his 40's, so anything is possible..

I hear that there is new medicine very effective against hair receding.  ::)

I mean if he did i dont blame him a bit, i have long hair and i really like my hair and if i ever started goin bald and i could afford it, u better believe i would.

If he has plugs they did a very good job!

Tom arnold on the best damn sports show period has them and you cant tell it at all.

the braids wouldnt be so bad if they were shorter, its just they are wayyyyyyy too long.

I was going to say tom arnold, just didn't know if you watched the show.. He's got his like my friend, it's only noticable when you're like a foot away and looking at it... Being you watch that show I'm sure you've seen the show I,MAX, and if so he has had a guest host this week and was wondering why, his brother was murdered in LA on sunday..

WIth the short braides he's look like bronson, from the Sox.. ;)

I,Max is my favorite tv show and max is one of my heroes.


It was so tragic what happened to his brother. Murdered by his friend of 10 years, im interested in hearing what happened.

Max got married about a month ago so i just figured he was on his honeymoon or something and then i saw that about his brother.  I wrote him an email with my condolences,  i doubt he will see it but i did anyway.

I love the best damn sports show period, i am a sports fanatic! : ok:

how come all the ex GNR member r takin cheap shots now at axl
its pissing me off

cuz its just like middle school.. if you pick on a kid and he doesnt do anything, that just invites more picking on.. until the point where the kid brings a shotgun to school and blows the bully's brains out.. and i've got a feeling CD will be one hell of a shotgun..

haha that was beautiful estranged

Axl's hair:

People say red hair thins the quickest.


People want to say Axl's bald because they dislike him.




But you know, Axl has hair.  And let's face it, there has been changes to his hair.  Yeah, he has probably lost some.  If he hasn't, he'd probably keep the same hair style he had back in the day.

Axl had thick hair at Rio.

Axl has thick braids now.

As far as hair transplants go, if you have them, you can't have long hair.  It just won't work.  End of story.



Axl has thick braids, thickened by extensions, other hair etc.  You can't do that unless you have a hell of a lot of hair originally.


Axl's hair is ok.


Personally, it doesn't matter anyway.  Axl could shave his head bald and still kick ass.  So Axl, if you're reading this, it doesn't fucking matter.



But the thing here is this: I, and several others, have misinterpreted Steven's comment.  He wasn't saying "Axl was losing hair back then.  He barely had any hair".  He is saying, "Axl never had enough hair to have those thick ass braids."
But duh!  We know that Axl has extensions.  It's common knowledge.

Yeah that show is great, shame what happened..I wanted to wirte an Email a few weeks ago because I don't like how the direction of the show went.. I liked when bill wolff was the judge and they scored the rounds, it was great how they would argue in a friendly witty way..The thing that made the show great was the three guys with different opinions, then to switch it to just michael for a few minutes then all max to me became boring.

Never fix something that isn't broken..