Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I am sure gnr is going to cut the set list in half for the old songs and release them with CD songs.
So what songs would you like to see axl cut from the set list.
I dont think he will add more old songs, so lets not add anymore just subtract.

I really hope there won't be a setlist. I would rather Axl just play the songs he (or the band) feel like playing a specific night and play them. (just like the Use Your Illusion Tour) That way, each show of the tour would be unique in its own special way. Although, I would definately play more material from the Illusions and less material from Appetite. (and a whole lot more from Chinese Democracy)

Hard to say but i would drop
Live and let die
out ta get me
think about you
well maybe Its so easy too

Hell no, they can't drop Live and Let Die. That is one of their signature songs. (and one of their major top 40 hits) It would be a very bad idea to drop that song. :no:

IF (not "when") they tour again they should drop most of the new "songs" which are just inaudible :
- Silkworms
- Chinese demo.
- Oh my god
- Riyad and Bed.

The Blues and Madagascar are OK without being masterpieces. They are not better than Breakdown or Estranged...

If you don't like the new stuff why are you on this board? I think both The Blues and Madagascar are better than Breakdown but not Estranged.

They should drop Think about u, Mr Brownstone, Kncking on Heavens door, out ta get me, and erm....Silkworms.

I am here because this band is still called "Guns N'Roses" and it happened to be that I am a Guns N'Roses fan since 1989... Just as simple as that, man !

that is weird man, by that rational I should be a Metallica fan right now and I would be listening to St.Anger  :hihi:...needless to say I stopped checking out Metallica's music when they stopped making good music.

So , NO , I guess its hard to understand why somebody would be posting on a GNR forum just because the band is still called 'Guns N' Roses'


I would like to hear a lot more from the Illusions myself, and a little less from AFD. But I would be happy if they played CHIDEM SONGS  for a change
 :rant:

I think they should drop My Michelle, Think about you , Mr. Brownstone and maybe LALD.
It's hard to choose, we want to hear some more from the illusions and we want a whole bunch of new songs, but we also want to hear the classics.

They must play for 4 or 5 hours to make all satisfied.

/shotgun

This was the set list on their last show in 2002:

Welcome To The Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live And Let Die, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Think About You, You Could Be Mine, Sweet Child O' Mine, Out Ta Get Me, November Rain, Chinese Democracy, Madagascar, Rocket Queen, The Blues, My Michelle, Patience, Nightrain, Paradise City

So if they play about 8-10 new songs when they tour, they must drop about 8 old songs. I would drop:
Mr.  Brownstone
Live And Let Die
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Think About You
My Michelle
Patience
 ???

It's really hard to decide, because I love all those songs... maybe they will have a different setlist everynight.

Hey, son of a preacher,
Are you saying that I should leave because this band called "Guns N'Roses" ain't doing good music anymore ?

hey, you can do whatever you want, if you want to stay here and bash the band, that's Jarmo's problem, not mine , Im just saying you are not making much sense here... if you dont like the music....why come? ...I dont understand..like I said...Im not posting on the Metallica forums.

I think the new GNR is making wonderful music btw.... :P

 :peace:

Yeah, you seem to be here only to whine about the new band. It gets old really fast.

People like you usually feel more at home at a message board where they hate Axl.



/jarmo

out ta get me
think about you

There are so many better songs then those two

Knocking oN Heaven's Door can go to, now that they have another slower version of the song

Silk worms, it just is a bad song wether it be GnR or another band it doesnt go over well

All the new Bullshit No I am not talking about their new songs because they kick ass I am talking to the two bucket solos, buckethead playing with fn' knunechuks and Fink's wierd Brazilian solo song.  Solos are ok, but they take so much time that could be filled by great GnR songs old and new

CHIDEM - OPENING TRACK
Welcome To The Jungle
You Could Be Mine
Mr. Brownstone
Don't Cry
Chinese Democracy
CHIDEM TRACK - ROCKER
CHIDEM TRACK - MID-TEMPO
Sweet Child O' Mine
Madagascar
Civil War
Patience
Nightrain
The Blues
CHIDEM - ROCKER
CHIDEM - MID-TEMPO
Estranged
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Rocket Queen

ENCORES:
Dead Horse
This I Love
Paradise City

ADDED ARE:
Don't Cry
Civil War
Dead Horse
Estranged
This I Love (assuming that it's on CHIDEM)
CHIDEM - OPENING TRACK
2 CHIDEM TRACK - ROCKER
2 CHIDEM TRACK - MID-TEMPO

GONE ARE:
It's So Easy
Live & Let Die
Think About You
My Michelle
Out Ta Get Me
November Rain (yeah, you read it correctly)


And if you had to cut a few more...Mr. Brownstone and Knockin' on Heaven's Door

This I Love (assuming that it's on CHIDEM)
CHIDEM - OPENING TRACK
2 CHIDEM TRACK - ROCKER
2 CHIDEM TRACK - MID-TEMPO


What songs are you talking about Bro?

I think they should drop all AFD tunes. I mean if they wanna open with WTTJ or something then fine, but I'd be pretty disappointed if on their next tour, whenever that may be, they still perform a ton of AFD. I wanna hear some shit from the new album.

the previous poster's name has inspired me to say that they should drop the old songs based on cowbell usage! - keep in all those that have cowbell and oust the rest!!

Long live the cowbell! Has anyone checked ouit silvertide? they have the swagger of old guns, but obv a bit bouncier (no where near as cool and hard edged as guns was) but at least they use the cowbell!! Their albums should be stickered "The first band since gnr to use cowbell!"

I love the cowbell!

Um, sorry for that...
In all seriousness (I do love the cowbell though!) I'd base it on how well i think the new band handle the old songs...
I'd lose one of the covers - so KOHD out, cuz I like the way LALD is performed now - Axl sounds great
Crucial appetite songs have got to be Sweet child, jungle
It'd be good to have the rest on rotation: i.e. easy, brownstone being played most nites (nearly listed these as crucial!)
and the rest rotated: patience, you're crazy (love to hear an acoustic version), rocket queen (sometimes, mixed feelings on this, the first part was prev very slash focused, but the l;ast part is def axl, although i didnt think he sang it terribly well on this new tour - no edge like b4) etc

Anyway, thats that. Bob

I think it's safe to assume that he is saying that it would be good to hear songs from Chinese Democracy of different pace...Without necesarily knowing what those songs are yet.

knocking on heavens door, live and let die and al those awful covers

I really want KOHD to stay.. the new version's nice and peaceful.. i love it..

but i guess they should scrap think about u and mr brownstone..

They should get rid of the new version of Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Think About You, and Out Ta Get Me.  They should add three new CD songs (and maybe replace some new ones with the old new songs), and also play Coma.

From the 2002 set list

Keep: Jungle,KOHD,LALD,PC at least.

The extended wait between when the band are meant to start and when they actually come on.

They're just "stand in" titles for songs off Chinese Democracy that we're (at this point) unaware of (ie: a mid-tempo track from the album)

out ta get me
think about you
knockin on' heavens door-(i like 1991-1993 version,but don't like new)
silik worms
rhiad and bedouins

but they must added ESTRANGED and LOCOMOTIVE

I agree with you! I would also drop Rocket Queen!
And sorry but where is Don't Cry?

yes,man where is don't cry?
my setlist is
8 new songs
pc,scom,wttj,live and let die,nighttrain,it's so easy,don't cry.locomotive,estranged,november rain,ycbm.

They should just get a big list of songs and just choose from that

Ideally, Drop all songs from AFD, UYI and release helluva new materials with some ad-lib intrudes on epics. :rant:

Realistically, a few appetite, several Illusions +more new materials. Opening with CD sounds great. :)
Illusions -The Garden, My World, Locomotive, Coma, Estranged, and pretty tied up if possible.

In further reality, it?ll be OK with me even if it's the same set list to the last one. :-\

Drop:
November Rain (I don't like how they play the solos, only BH did a great job)
Patience
Out ta get me
Silkworms
Rhiad
Think About You

Rotate:
LALD
KOHD
OMG
Chinese Democracy (I hope they have a lot of better songs than this)
My Michelle
Rocket Queen (but first they had to learn the song well)
SCOM (and play it better)
YCBM (and learn the song)


Add:
Move to the city
Civil War

I want them to play at least 12 new songs if the tour again. If.

You guys need to get over it with Estranged and Don't Cry. We are never going to hear those songs live again. Frankly I don't want to hear Finck butcher estranged anyway, those were some of Slash's finer moments and it just wouldn't be the same without those guys playing the notes. The other songs were fine to cover, but emotionally estranged meant more to Axl than most of the other songs they played, which is why I don't think we heard it the last go around. I think Don't Cry falls into that same boat with him in terms of nostalgia. I don't seem him playing that song without at least one original member in the band who was there when it all began. Everything else is fair game though.

In 2002 they barely played for 2 hours... I think when they tour again they will probably play longer so they wont need to drop a hell of a lot of old songs... anyway I do hope they dont have a definite setlist but more of rotating every show  : ok:

I think they should drop most of the old songs because I would rather hear a set that is mainly their new material and possibly a new cover or two.

Old songs I think they should keep:
November Rain
Rocket Queen
Civil War (they should bring it back)
You Could Be Mine

I think they should keep all the new songs except Silkworms.

While I do realize these are the opinions of this forum's members, I also believe Dave asked for something realistic. Now for the people that said November Rain should be dropped, are you crazy? (I'm not trying to be mean) November Rain built Guns N' Roses in the 90s just how Sweet Child O' Mine built them in the 80s. You have to realize, that most of the people from the concert crowd aren't gonna be "hardcore" fans like us. You have to think about them. To them, songs like Live and Let Die, Knockin' On Heaven's Door, and November Rain are some of the big reasons why they might have bought the tickets in the first place. Those are the crowd pleasers. Knockin' On Heaven's Door was GN'R's biggest hit in the UK (it went to #2) and we all know GN'R will tour Europe first, so realistically, dropping that song would be a very bad idea.

Also, it has been said that the set will be longer next time around so you there's gonna be more room. I really don't want a setlist. Setlists are dull and unimaginative. Playing songs just out the crowd's and band's feel I feel would be best. That's what made each show from the Illusion Tour the special. There almost wasn't a show with the same setlist and the same order of songs. That also encourages you to download the bootlegs. :hihi:

There are core songs in the world of Guns N' Roses. These are songs that are ridiculous to drop off:

-Welcome to the Jungle
-Sweet Child O' Mine
-Paradise City
-Patience
-Live and Let Die
-November Rain
-Knockin' On Heaven's Door
-You Could Be Mine

^Those songs have to stay on each show of the tour^

Now, I think I know what the general consensus is:

Play more material from the Illusions, less from Appetite, and more from Chinese Democracy.

^Also like I said before, have the material vary^

Drop November Rain, realy bad option! People go there to see songs like Jungle, Sweet Child, Don?t Cry, Patience, You Could Be Mine and KOHD. These ones must be there!!!
The problem with don?t cry isn?t the memories it brings along, they play patience, wich is an Izzy song!!!
So i think they (Axl) doesn't feel ok playing it! But i woul bring it back!
And well, they droped Buckethead dance number!! So there is room for one more song, if ther will be a tour!

I would drop TAY.  I would rotate the others.  I would love to start the show off with Night Train!  My buzz is wearing off by the time it's on at the end of the show! 

No!  Please don't tell me they won't play Estranged again.  It should be played once every 10 or 15 shows.  Those folks in Chicago in '92 were damn lucky to hear it live.  Awesome.

-Axl4Prez2004   :)

It depends what the band is after. If they want to challenge the audiences by playing lots of new songs and only a few of the hits, then they can drop most of those. If they just want to play safe by doing a "Greatest Hits" set, then they'll keep them.

I've seen bands do both. Sometimes it works great when the audience is packed with hardcore fans. When 90% of the audience is there to hear the hits and drink beer, it doesn't work.



/jarmo

Well Jarmo, those are only 8 songs I listed. I'm sure when/if they tour their set will be between 21 and 28 songs so like I said before, they can make a lot of room for different songs each night of the tour while still keeping those "core" songs. I never said they should have a Greatest Hits setlist (I already said I hated setlsits), just have those 8 songs somewhere in the set of a particular night. It worked beautifully during the 90s, so why not now? So doing it that way, you'll please both crowds. You'll please the Greatest Hits crowd by playing those 8 songs, and you'll please the hardcore fans by playing 13 or 20 other new or "rare" songs. :yes:

I agree. it would be an insult to the original version. and an insult to slash fantastic guitar job.
THEY SHOULDN'T TOUCH TO ESTRANGED.

Oh, yeah I'd also like to add that they should play Don't Damn Me and Crash Diet somewhere during the tour. Maybe we could get Mysteron to send Axl's management a list of songs that fans would like the band to play on the next tour? Hey, it could happen.

FOr the love of GOD drop Live and let die, and Knocking on heavens door.... they are covers and the weakest songs like IMO...

Mr brownstone has been played every gnr show ... time to move on

Definately out ta get me, and cut out the lame ass guitar solo's and lets not even consider a drum solo??

BAsically tunes that should be played

AFD - jungle, paradise city, sweet child, rocket queen - once in a while my michelle or think about you

Lies- Patience

UYI 1 - don't cry, november rain, coma perhaps? - but rotate those tunes up

UYI 2 - CIvil war, You could be mine, Estranged - same as above



I mean they will probably play 17-20 tunes live... I want at least half new tunes

  of course i would like to hear mainly of course the hits that got them there in the first place,  and then completely
 demolish them with the new chin demo record.    forget the old filler songs,  michelle, rocket queer, its so easy,  please
just the hits.    also ditch bob dylan please.   even patience can go,  that puts me to sleep!!

of the new songs that i seen live that i know will demolish the old band are, in order:

MADAGASCAR   - huge epic with insane cool vocals
the blues   -      ties them back with classic rock
the axl piano song     (which i don't know the name)

The new songs that didn't work live were:

Chinese Democracy    -    slow and lackluster and complete silence when the band finished
silkworms    -    bad playing on the bands behalf, good lyrics tho
rhiad and bedoins  -     confusing and lack of focus

   and please my favorite,  im sorry im a chick,  is November rain (especially when he wears his glasses!)

Basically cut virtually everything.  Keep Welcome To The Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine & all the new songs apart from Silkworms.  Have the likes of November Rain, You Could Be Mine, Paradise City & It's So Easy as ones which occasionally creep in for a bit of a surprise.  I believe they've done the 'Old w/ some New' tour although it was aborted i got my piece of them at Leeds Festival.  It's now time for the 'New w/ some Old' tour.

Well.... they play SCOM and it is about Erin!!! So whats the big problem about Don't Cry?

::) Are they the crowd pleasers in question? Maybe the experts would rather hear what fans really want than what laymen estimate public preference to be.

Weird I'm not the hardest core fan but I?m all for challenging shows. While many want to hear old songs must have been listened to like everyday. But at the least I can tell you that hardcore music freaks tend to lookdown unchallenging show.

dash, providing my memories are correct, Axl had an idea of SCOM in his mind before he met Erin.

What the hell are you talking about? Since when are songs like Don't Damn Me or Crash Diet songs the general public wants to hear? :confused: You say "Maybe the experts would rather hear what fans really want than what laymen estimate public preference to be" in retaliation against I don't know what. Since when is a board like HTGTH the general public? So if HTGTH sends a list of songs they'd like the new band to perform then suddenly HTGTH would become the general public? This makes no sense. I have no idea what you're on about. If a fan writes down the song "Pretty Tied Up" on the list that I suggested be sent to Mysteron then that would not be what the hardcore fans want to hear? Did you even read my post? :confused:

Son of a preacher,

Be sure that most of the fans who supported Guns N'Roses during the UYI World Tour are posting neither on this board nor on another : they just don't give a damn anymore about Axl's circus.
Are you satisfied ?
I hope so.

I did so. Did you?You said "crowd". Does crowd mean HTGTH board members?

Anyway easy does it, Clitos. The laymen comment is not personally directed at you. I was just referring some petit trend towards speaking on behalf of others in place of showing their true opinion, AND vice versa. In most of the case, those know-it-alls state mere assumptions of their own as some established facts. I hope you get an idea what I'm on about now.  :peace:

i think the silence after songs like chinese democracy will end  after chinese democracy will be released, but we`ll hopefully see.  gnr don`t have a fanbase like other bands, i mean they didn`t release a real album for13 years now and the shows they played were more like nostalgic shows, but i think axl knwos that.  and silkworms was only played in rio and vegas  so  they dropped it allready. axl played it only for dizzy and chriss. even if there were 3 new albums released they would play songs like november rain and jungle at their shows

when they drop something they should drop  rocket queen  and it`s so easy

Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Patience

These 2 song's while being ok, really arn't my cup of tea. KOHD is best left to Dylan and Patience slows the whole show down to much. When ever Patience is played live i always feel like shouting get on with it, we want the next song  :beer:

I agree. There is too much great original GnR material to be playing old Dylan, Beatles and Stones songs. And AFD material is way too good to NOT play. Mr. Brownstone, NightTrain, WTTJ, Paradise City and SCOM have to be left in the set. Otherwise, I think everything else is fair game.

they should go back to there original version of Knockin On Heavens Door, drop silkworms, Rhiad, and switch between out ta get me and think about you and my michelle

"It's so Easy" is one of the best GN'R song in a punk and agressive style. It must always remain.

i think they should drop it`s so easy because it sounded bad with tommy doing the most of the vocals and you could barely hear axl