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Title: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on October 08, 2004, 01:28:50 AM
Release Cd in jan or feb, then later in the year if it is not happy with it, relase a remix album like trent does in NIN.
Just get a tour bus and hook it up with a nice computer where he can remix the album, plus that would keep the band together on the road, and axl won't be late for shows or be missing planes.
Just a thought.


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: IndiannaRose on October 08, 2004, 02:03:39 AM
Release Cd in jan or feb, then later in the year if it is not happy with it, relase a remix album like trent does in NIN.
Just get a tour bus and hook it up with a nice computer where he can remix the album, plus that would keep the band together on the road, and axl won't be late for shows or be missing planes.
Just a thought.
Axl should not release the album in January. January is the worst-selling month for compact discs. :nervous: There are specific times when it is business smart to release an album. Now, as many of us know, the year's big titles are almost always released on November. (fall in general) The next time the market is open again for major album releases (I mean the good market) is late February or anything after that. (Spring basically) Also, the "mixing" of the album has been a very careful and long process. To ask Axl Rose to "remix" the album is like asking for the remix to be released by the time my grand-children are born, and hey, I'm only 15. :hihi:


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Scabbie on October 08, 2004, 04:07:32 AM
Axl should release the album at the earliest possible opportunity!

I have no doubt it will stand the test of time and sell lots of records. I hate this short termism in the music industry.


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Izzy on October 08, 2004, 04:07:36 AM
Release Cd in jan or feb, then later in the year if it is not happy with it, relase a remix album like trent does in NIN.
Just get a tour bus and hook it up with a nice computer where he can remix the album, plus that would keep the band together on the road, and axl won't be late for shows or be missing planes.
Just a thought.

That strategy hasn't helped NIN release one quality piece of music yet so i don't think that's the idea to try..... : ok:


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: shaun on October 08, 2004, 04:42:27 AM
"Axl should not release the album in January. January is the worst-selling month for compact discs."

CD will sell no matter what month it is  : ok:


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Guilty on October 08, 2004, 10:07:21 AM
Why do you care about sales so much?


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Rhythm-n-Booze on October 08, 2004, 10:15:24 AM
Why do you care about sales so much?

Maybe someone wants GNR to be successful?  :nervous:


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Nytunz on October 08, 2004, 10:20:04 AM
Why do you care about sales so much?

totaly agree with Guilty here! Who the fuck cares about how many records GNR sells! We know they will sell Good! But the only thing that matters, is that YOU like the album!


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: The Estranged MrFlashbax on October 08, 2004, 11:26:01 AM
Why do you care about sales so much?

totaly agree with Guilty here! Who the fuck cares about how many records GNR sells! We know they will sell Good! But the only thing that matters, is that YOU like the album!

that's b/s.. music is a business.. and like any other business you have to look out for the financial side of it.. not just the artistic side.. we (most of us anyways), as gnr fans, worry about sales because we want gnr to keep releasing albums even after CD.. but if CD comes out and it sells decent but not as much as what the record company spent on it, then the label probably wont allow gnr to release another album..

but i dont know jack shit so i might as well be talkin out of my ass..


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: St.heathen on October 08, 2004, 11:46:21 AM
Why do you care about sales so much?

totaly agree with Guilty here! Who the fuck cares about how many records GNR sells! We know they will sell Good! But the only thing that matters, is that YOU like the album!

that's b/s.. music is a business.. and like any other business you have to look out for the financial side of it.. not just the artistic side.. we (most of us anyways), as gnr fans, worry about sales because we want gnr to keep releasing albums even after CD.. but if CD comes out and it sells decent but not as much as what the record company spent on it, then the label probably wont allow gnr to release another album..

but i dont know jack shit so i might as well be talkin out of my ass..

That's rubbish man, Axl is a very rich man and could release as many - or as few lol albums as he wants.  The name GN'R and Axl Rose will sell alone.  So it's not all dependant on this one album. He makes it worse by not getting it out there because the pressure of what people expect grows with every year that passes. 

But in reality it's more important for it to be musically great, which doesn't always mean superb sales.  But it's the musical integrity as pointed out on the CD Tour shirts that really counts now. He has been the biggest rock star on the planet, he has sold millions and millions.  He doesn't need all that again.  That doesn't indicate a lack of ambition.  Just that he doesn't need to live up to that anymore.  It's a new band and a chance to take new directions. The music is THE most important thing.  Oh and actually getting it out is also as important lol


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Naupis on October 08, 2004, 11:51:21 AM
If this does not sell well this whole experiment will be viewed as a tremendous failure. If the record company wanted 2-3 million sales they could have signed a new act for no money, not pay 13 million. If this album does not sell like Usher's album as one of the top of the year it is released it can't help but be viewed as a failure. All of you "album sales don't matter," "Britney sells 10 million albums, does that make her good music" people need to realize that in the music business, moving product is the only thing that is important. The old GNR sold millions, thus it can't help but be viewed as a failure if they can't sell at least 5 million copies. The fact is if this album does not move enough copies the label will lose interest in the band and it will essentially stop promoting and pushing them in the future. Why would you invest in a losing proposition by paying out that type of coin for minimal return in terms of album sales?


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Nytunz on October 08, 2004, 11:55:28 AM
Why do you care about sales so much?

totaly agree with Guilty here! Who the fuck cares about how many records GNR sells! We know they will sell Good! But the only thing that matters, is that YOU like the album!

that's b/s.. music is a business.. and like any other business you have to look out for the financial side of it.. not just the artistic side.. we (most of us anyways), as gnr fans, worry about sales because we want gnr to keep releasing albums even after CD.. but if CD comes out and it sells decent but not as much as what the record company spent on it, then the label probably wont allow gnr to release another album..

but i dont know jack shit so i might as well be talkin out of my ass..

If THIS IS WHY Axl Rose make music! He should just drop everything, and begin working on McDonalds! Coz this is the pop, showoff mentality! AxlRose havent got anything to proove! Hes already done that! in 87, 88, 91 !!!! GNR was nothing, nothing more then a great rock n roll band! And they prooved that they could make music.... Axl got enough money to live 10 man ages! As long he make the music he wants.. Thats what matters! But ofcourse! He wont make a bad album anyway!


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: bolton on October 08, 2004, 12:40:45 PM
Why do you care about sales so much?

totaly agree with Guilty here! Who the fuck cares about how many records GNR sells! We know they will sell Good! But the only thing that matters, is that YOU like the album!

that's b/s.. music is a business.. and like any other business you have to look out for the financial side of it.. not just the artistic side.. we (most of us anyways), as gnr fans, worry about sales because we want gnr to keep releasing albums even after CD.. but if CD comes out and it sells decent but not as much as what the record company spent on it, then the label probably wont allow gnr to release another album..

but i dont know jack shit so i might as well be talkin out of my ass..
Yes,you're right,but Axl and Slash,haven't been in that mood,because we didn't see gnr album since 1991 and gnr didn't excises(i mean old band0


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: ppbebe on October 08, 2004, 03:15:28 PM
Well said music lovers. How I feel music comes before everything.
Why do you care about sales so much?
Because "Listen motherfuckers to the song that should be heard"

Won?t it be great if kids in totally different world are touched by the same music to us? Won?t it be wonderful if ppl in the 22nd century are blown away just like us? It?s like us communicating with them through it. The song remains the same after all of us left.

To me the real success for the music depends on how many ppl feel it.
So, I kinda care about sales to keep GNR going and to let their music reach more ears.

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I have no doubt it will stand the test of time and sell lots of records. I hate this short termism in the music industry.
Ditto. See The Beatles, See Led Zeppelin.

Then again, how you feel music is the subject of prime importance for keeps.

On topic, Yeah, the sooner, the better.


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: mikegiuliana on October 08, 2004, 03:22:19 PM
Of course we want the album as soon as possible, but as fans it would be nice to see new gnr do good as well.. You can't just sit here and say it will sell good.. I personally want gnr to be big, it's been since 91 since we had new shit, countless millions invested..

It's a whole new band that should be introduced to the world properly, I doubt the band itself just wants the die hard fans to appreciate their work...

If it came out like live era then it would be a poor business move,.. Look at how eminem is being pumped up, greend day, u-2.. After a long layoff and using a once huge name you should do it right


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: Acquiesce on October 08, 2004, 03:46:15 PM
I think it silly to worry about January sales. If the music is good and the public buys into the music it will sell well no matter when it's released. You also have to remember it may not sell well initially, but that doesn't mean it won't sell well overall. Interest can grow as singles are released and fans spread the word. A January release isn't going to kill the album. In fact, I would say GNR will have enough initial interest to overcome January's poor sales. The problem is will the album be good enough to keep selling? That has nothing to do with the release date of the album.

If CD is ready the last thing they want to do is delay it further to find the perfect timing. In fact, that is exactly what is wrong with this whole process. They are trying too hard to get everything perfect.

As for Dave's comment, I think you are right he should just release it but I'm not fond of remix albums. If he isn't happy with CD, he can just start over again for the follow up to CD.


Title: Re: Axl could always pull a Trent Reznor
Post by: IndiannaRose on October 08, 2004, 05:52:49 PM
Why do you care about sales so much?
Because the more they sell, the more we're gonna see from them. Now, imagine this, if Joe Blow releases an album and it sells 10,000 copies, are you gonna see much of him? No. Now, wouldn't it be cool if you saw GN'R on Leno and doing specials for MTV? The more a band sells, the more the record company are gonna push em'. These means, they're gonna have a larger budget for videos, better quality concerts, and more exposure basically. Yes, the music is what matters the most, but I want Axl to have the best time of his life. We all know, how emotionally fragile Axl is. So having the thing, that he has worked on for years, to be a failure I fear will make him an even more reclusive person. I want Axl and the new band to be rewarded for their hard work, cause they fuckin' deserve it. : ok: