Here Today... Gone To Hell!

People have mentioned video ideas for the first single and various other things

What do you think? Is a film soundtrack the way to go forward (taking into account film release first half 2005). How should the first single be put forward. How should the band promote gnr. How would you like the gnr website to run. What should the band do and say with regard to interviews, how should Axl react to VR.....etc...

I think they should use lhe long wait to their advantage,like that boston promo:"It's been too long since you've got yor ass kicked properly!" Make Axl look like the saviour of Rock

i like the soundtrack idea. but i doubt axls gonna go for it.

Cool thread....

From day one I have been saying that GNr should not do a movie soundtrack as thier first single. The reason being thier first video should be soley about the band and about the song. I would hate to see their first video in a decade intertwined with a dumb movie.

If they wanna do a soundtrack thing down the raod then its all good but they should stay away from it for atleast the 1st single....

I think GNR should basically promote themselves liek every other band has promoted themselves. Except they should push it  alot more and throw in any new types of promotional strategies they have come up with  hype of the debut of the single. Like have a set time across the country and the radio stations can promote it that way. Stuff liek that....

As for the website. Just have a functioning website will do. Make it look cool and have fan stuff,info etc.

The absolute main thing the band should do is promote and push the new members. If GNr want to be percieved as a band{which they are} management should make sure they get the new members out there in magazines etc. Have the members promote the album on shows etc...not just Axl.

I think they should do a show on MTV about new gnr. Have the band sit around and talk about the whole process and the new album. Axl would be there as well. Then they can debut the video. SOmething liek that would be real cool as well.

As for Axl...he should only do a few main interviews. They shopuld be about the past, present and future of gnr. Discuss the whole process and where he is coming from. Just to get his side out.....Other than that just let the music do the talkin....As for VR...he should react the way he feels about it.

GNR have done a great job in building the mystique around the band and album. Now they have to capitlize on that when they are ready to release it. They should start the buzz and promotion about a month before the release date. That way they can build up the momentum when the album is ready to be released. If they start doing things to early they can lose soem oif that momentum.

I think GNR will do just fine. Its going to come down to the quality of the music. If its up to par everything will take care of itself.

Batman Begins, maybe? I dunno if its a good idea...  ???
Anyways, the first single should be released with some new stuff... I mean, maybe release the single as a DVD (5.1 is welcome) with tons of extras like the single's video, some 2002 live videos and, of course, b-sides. It would sell fine in USA, I think...
The website should be just like this one: full of news and with a really good board. Maybe Axl should hire Jarmo Inc. to run his website.
The band should say everything in the interviews, they should be open to talk about the whole process of making Chinese Democracy. I'm sure they have good stories about this past 5 or 6 years. Of course, Axl should talk too. Not as much as the old days, but pretty much about the band and so... Leave his personal life for him.
As for VR, he could be smooth. There's no need to bash the guys, leave them with their own thing.

I think the way to go is to do promotion  based on the mystique surrounding the CD.
Like a promo ad clip with flashing Chinese Democracy release date and Nothing else.
Then No movie Soundtrack, No single No Promo cds to media and Magazines prior to the release date.
So Basically very simple TV + radio Clips stating the release of the C.D and nothing else prior to the release. It would Be cool, The curiosity that has build over the Last Years for CD to be the main force that will make the media and buyers notice the CD on the 1st Day of its release. So Major Banners and On The record Stores the 1st day of the release.

As Far as Communication i think AXL Should release a small Book That will be accompanied with the purchase of the cd and AXl Explaing what happened over the years and his side of the story.

Then Very Selected Interviews with no pre planned questions.

I would like the main Interviews to be held by the new Gunners and their experiences eith the making of the cd.

soundtracks are a good idea, given the movies a possible block buster. They are a great way to promote a band and get help with the expense of a video. Look at Aerosmith, it worked for them.
As for the fan club or website. They need to keep it active. Maybe get someone on the inside, Del or someone to keep us updated. Give us a little of the inside without ruining their privacy. Maybe have interviews with all the guys one at time posted. Just for the site.
I think nothing on the cd should be leaked to anyone before its release!
If a song goes on a soundtrack, don't include it on Chin dem.
Get some photo's up on the site.
Have a link for us to send messages to the band and certain members.

maybe they should have on new song on a movie like The Ring 2 but just have it be a clip, not the hole song. Also I would like to see a web site that actually gets updated.

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I think younggunner is right about getting the new members involved with interviews and hyping the CD.? I think Axl should (as is his way) stay in the background during the promotion until right before the release when he can give a 1 hour interview with Loder or Walters or someone big the night befoe the release of CD.?

However, I do think they need a single release or else buyers may think that it is a gimmick to get people to buy the CD because the contents aren't good enough to promote itself.? The single needs to be their best rocker and should follow a 1 hour show about the new band on MTV.

I think it would be so cool to start the promotion by playing a free concert in Philly.? I mean don't even announce the date and time or anything at all.? Just have GNR start playing at the top of those steps from Rocky (where the statue of Stallone used to be - I think it is a museum) and let the word leak out throughout Philly that GNR is playing live at that moment and anyone who can get there can watch them for free.? That type of promotion would be so huge and every media outlet in the world would pick that story up.? Itr will be cold in Jan or Feb, but so what.

I hate the idea of a soundtrack song.? I mean Jan and Feb are traditionally when the worst movies are released.? Stay away from the whole soundtrack thing until? Summer 2005 when major releases come out.

A new website is mandatory.? If it wasn't for the internet there would be absolutely no buzz about nuGNR.? The site should offer member interviews and a great forum (I like the idea of closing this forum and letting Jarmo run the GNR forum).? The site should make fans feel that they are somewhat important considering everything GNR has done to date make us feel the opposite.

As for VR, I think if Axl has faith in the material he should be complementary of VR's debut effort.? I think he should show his security by saying that he thinks they put forth a pretty decent album.? What I don't want to hear is that he won't let interviewers ask him about VR or Philly or anything controversial.


-TyRod-

That would kick so much ass.  That movie is going to be really good.

Axl has already talked about "VR", he said he won't say anything about them because he doesn't want to promote them.

yeah it is but hopefully the album will be outfor a couplr of months . by time the movie come out in June.

I am being honest, I wish they would act like people with no ties to rock, just act like a brand new band.. DO rounds on stern, do interviews for rock mags, go on mtv's rock show, just be a little himble//Or just have a half hour sit down with kurt loder to be aired.. Do a making of the video.. Do just basic things groups are doing today, much like when afd was launching.. I think it would make the band seem very serious..

Possibly a little interview explaining everything that went wrong, the behind the senes reasons for the delays, I think it would make him look like a good guy, and people will appreciate it.. They also need to do things as a group

Thanks for sharing your dream, Mike.  ;)  That won't happen, but damn would  I love to see it!  :drool:

I don't like the idea of a movie soundtrack but a big single is needed and a video too i think.  Younggunner had some great points about pushing the other guys in the band and having them give interviews etc.  itunes would be cool to get the single and it should also be released with some bonus material , maybe a dvd? id buy it if it were released.  i think it would rule to have a dvd with the actual album too to get more people to buy it.

they should also play on the late night shows and as many TV appearances as they can get like SNL.

the website should have as much info and media as possible to make up for the lack of a website in recent years.

basically they need to hype it up as much as possible to make it big, and back up that hype with great music!

dude thats a good idea. but they should get a soundtrack and a video, then get into all the shows n media coverage. i think that will wokr a little better.

They should really stay away from the movies until later on. Why would you want to introduce th eband in a video and have it interupted by movie clips. The 1st single should be there best all out rocker. The video should just be of them and the song concept or whatevr the hell they come up with.

A lot of you made good points about the promotion. I think they will do everything the convential way but they will also do some surprise things as well. I can see them doing a quick pre tour warmup in a club in ny and la. Bands usually do that. That would create a buzz as well.....

Im pretty sure the company and managemnt have a few tricks up their sleeves.

Its going to be a fun ride. We just need to get this long ass line moving......

Mysteron, is this question because the ablums promotion is about to start?  Or something your just trying to start a topic with?  I figured since your active with your posts that something might be going down promotion wise for the first half of 2005?  Any new information on that part, like maybe the website being updated with new information.  Like Axl said, "He's been enslaved to the public for 17 years."

I think they have to release first their third or maybe second best rocker not the first, because if you deliver the best at the beginning, most of the rest is not going to seem that great. JMO. Well, hopefully CD has many great rockers. Maybe a rocker epic with a 6-7 minute solo of hard rock.  :smoking:  :peace:

Should have had the marketing people watching these boards from day one.  They've got marketing people right?  Hire the best ones you can get your hands on, it's not the 80's.

I think that the Best way for Axl to react to VR would ,be to just say that he is glad that they are doing as well as the are and that he wished them the best of luck on their future endeavors. But that want happen even though it would give no interview ammo on the subject..

I think they should release 2 singles before the CD release. If it is really intended to be released in february, I think it's a good idea release a single in october/november and another one in january, for example. Imagine how will the stores be on the release day if they have already released 2 fuckin' great singles...

I think it's important don't make it look like an Axl's band, but like a band... so, will be interesting if all the members could get some media, some attention, not only Axl.

The soundtrack idea could be coll, but I don't see any movie that would make it br something really big, a big sucess (like CD should be).

I really hope they make this release something huge... the management got this chance on his hands... just hope they can make it...

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When CD is released, i am thinking the CD will be put out in the shops, there will be a few adverts in the usual Rock/Metal magazines, (the new) GN'R will make most of the covers complete with review inside then a few singles will follow. I doubt they'll be doing anything more than that promotional wise.

The GN'R web site is kind of dead, the last failed tour seemed lacking in certain areas, the film footage thing at the back of the stage was not the best idea in the world, even the tickets were basic bland printouts (i remember the UYI tickets looked really rather cool and well thought out). Who knows? the music still good though, and that's what counts  : ok:

To be honest, i dont think CD will be promoted very well, nobody will want to touch on the subject,
promotion will be a waste of time, as i can only see CHINESE DEMOCRACY having a shelf life of only a few weeks.
And if there is a lot of promotion, its gonna be a big let down for a lot of people, all hyped up as  ` GUNS N ROSES ` first record in almost 30000000 years, it will have all the hype for nothing as the main fact that it isnt guns n roses, and if the music weve heard from the live shows is anything to go by, its not gonna be anything special but an ` im axl rose rose look at how much my life is a living hell ` kinda cd with lots of piano and self indulgent crap, which is not what guns n roses should be about.

why are you posting on here, if you believe its not gonna be anything special ?


As for GNR, Ive said it before, maybe the band is not gonna release videos or singles...like pearl jam....I really dont see AXL doing tons of interviews, tons of videos , etc.....Maybe an animated video would do the trick. With an animated Axl-looking SATAN from hell? ;D singing and doing all kind of evil doings in the same vein as the anim? scene in KILL BILL volume 1? :peace:

Exactly what im thinking....

What is meaning with this topic??

I mean, are they gonna listening to our ideas??

I exactly had the same though...
the way the "use your illusion" were promoted were just perfect: a big festival (RIR91) + a soundtrack Rock song for a huge movie (Terminator 2) and then the released of the albums a few month later.
Celine Dion also did the same way in 1997/98 with the soundtrack of "Titanic". She sold millions and millions records thanks to that.

get all the mtv?s around the world and do a ONE HOUR INTERNATIONAL INTERVIEW LIVE with the band playing their first single in the end, I mean, all the mtv?s around the world ( but why not others big channels too? ) showing in the same time LIVE this shit

my idea:
do a 20 seconds VIDEO with the first single WHITOUT showing the band, but in the certain moment of the video, a typical Axl?s scream, and then: " xx / xx / xxxx - DON?T MISS ... " ( and then : live interview and the band playing )
a month after

about the interview, weel, LET US KNOW ABOUT DAY ONE OF THIS ALBUM GODAMN !!!  ;D
make a great interview, talk about all they want... Axl shows the album art and says the release date

tha?s it
even a not GNR FAN will want to see this... trust me

c-ya

i think the first single should be an epic type song.  Whatever the best song on CD is- use it.  Axl needs to make the strongest first impression on the music world. 

It's been talked about for so long.  If you just release the second or third best rocker it's like.... we all waited so long for this?   People need one of the "Earth Shattering" songs.

The video should be something that will be so epic that mtv and vh1 have to play it.  They also shouldnt get sucked into a making of the video on mtv because mtv plays those shows a few times and then the video is gone (for rock bands)

they should really have some form of a comercial on the american music awards.

I agree. The first impression will be the key of the future. However he shouldn't release the best song as the 1st single, but the 2nd or 3rd one. Let the general public discover the best song when they buy the record.

I would like Axl to do a few interviews in good music mags and mags like FHM but not become a whore to sell CD. I don't want him to become all bitchy with VR, just wish 'em well, and not much else. I'd also like to see other members give interviews in main mags. The first single should just be released as normal asap  :hihi:  it will reach number 1 and then the album would sell big aswell.

I already voiced my opinions on the first page.. I just think regardless of what they do they need to be as one and get out there months before the album comes out.. Look at how great greenday is doing..

These are just some of the ideas for a portion of the promotion that I've thought of:

- It would be cool if Guns N' Roses played a free concert at Philadelphia and have MTV record the concert and air it as "Guns N' Roses: A Night in Philly" (or something like that). It would get the band major exposure and give out a similar effect as the Ritz 1988 show did. Bon Jovi did this and their "concert show" became the 2nd most watched live concert program in TV history. (Michael Jackson is #1)

- The band needs to do alot of the interviews together in order to show some credibility. They need to be seen as one unit and as a real band instead of a scattered group of musicians. Tommy and Dizzy can do a "Daily Download" interview on Fuse (Slash and Duff did this). The whole band can also have a "sit down" interview on MTV where callers or audience members get to ask questions. (along with the host-probably Kurt Loder).

-With the first single is released they need to release a bonus DVD of something in order to garner more attention from the core fan base. If Axl allows it, the single can include the video of the song and a "Making of (video of 1st single)" type of documentary. The single can also include stickers like the original Appetite For Destruction LP did back in the 80s and a huge poster of the band can also be included. Also if you buy the single you get a "secret" code to the new revamped Guns N' Roses website in order to gain access to some "cool stuff".

-Axl can also do a world syndicated radio interview by himself or with any members of the band and talk about how the album was made and the process and "fuck ups" that came along with it.

-There obviously needs to be a lot of commercials but they can't be like any other album commercial. It could be mysterious and dark just like the first Contraband commercial. (kinda like that "rumored" commercial)

-A Rolling Stone cover and interview would be definately great. Also the band can appear on SNL or on Jay Leno (heck even O' Brien :hihi:).

*Alright this is a little joke of mine but I would love it if Axl went on Conan O' Brien wearing a "F#$K Axl!" t-shirt. ;D

Well this is what I've thought of thus far. I'm sore more can be added. :yes:

First of all, make heretodaygonetohell.com the band's official site...

Second, no soundtracks. It's been too long. Release the BEST song of the record as the first single. That should show the whole world what GN'R is made of...

Third, release the damn album.

Fourth, tour Europe and start from Greece. ;) (that's wishfull thinking)...

Fifth, release the second single.

Oh, and for God's sake, do a free concert in Philly and Vancouver... They deserve it...

The keyword needs to be "open"! They need to do any and every interview, article, talk show, etc. that they can possibly do to get the image out there, so the public will know it's not the same band. As far as the single, they should release it to radio, like any other band, but with the video, have a "world premiere", where it will premiere in a simulcast on MTV, MTV2, and VH1, all at the same time. They've done it before with Madonna, and they also did that with a Prince concert earlier this summer. Have Axl do a sit-down interview with Diane Sawyer, and let everything go, from past accusations of abuse, to being a troubled kid, basically getting his side of his life out there. But then MTV News should do, like, a 90-minute show, with Axl doing an in-depth interview with Kurt Loder about how he has risen from the ashes of the old band 10 years later, then have the entire band sit down and talk about recording, the album, etc, preview some of the songs, and have the band perform the new single. They need to make it a priority to hit Leno, Letterman, Conan (that would be interesting), Jimmy Kimmel, and SNL. Get the covers of Rolling Stone, Spin, etc.

i think that should be a commercial that is very strong saying something mysterious, about  a return of something that has been step aside for some years, with some images about China and in the end "February 2004" (hope so!) but never saying what it is. And then some days before the release date a huge videoclip, something strong and violent, like the Welcome to the Jungle clip of live era. i think Chinese Democracy wold be a good choice for a single.
If there is a movie that has to be an huge one

No commercials or promotion. Just tour. Axl achieved fame and success before, this album should just be an artistic accomplishment and his emotional expression. There's no need to whore himself out with lame "mysterious" commercials. Marketing like crazy, to me, just degrades what I would envision the new GnR could be. Axl has matured and from descriptions, it sounds like the music has as well (lyrics about social commentary...etc.)
I guess I don't really care about how the album sells, I just hope the whole thing isn't excessive. Making a record just to sound relevant and for people to like you isn't a record making sincere record.
If it were up to me, I'd release the record with little fanfare and under a different name for the album cover. "The Frogs Present: Holiday Songs". That would be a big marketing move unto itself when people realize who the real band is.
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I think one of the most important thing is THE TOUR: make it big. Play stadiums. Every live show should be an event in the country where it will be played. Try to negociate with NBC, CBS, BBC, Canal+, TVE, Rai1, RTPE, RTL, MTV and other huge TV chanels to broadcast a specific Live show all over the world (like the Freddy's Mercury tribute or the Paris'92 show back in the days). etc...

and the more important: come to Rio de Janeiro! Maybe a show in Maracan? stadium, just like in 1991 at rock in rio 2...that would rock!!

That would be a dumb move on GNR part. Especially right now. They should release the album an arena world tour. Same as 2002 but this time they will have an actual album and promotion to back the tour.

Stadiums will only come if the 1st album is huge. We wont know until later on. So maybe as the 2nd album rolls around they might be able to get stadiums but that truly is a longshot. If they are able to capure a new younger audience, then mix that with the fans they have already then maybe...but lets not worry about that right now.....

Younggunner, it's not like if GN'R were a new band. Most of the line-up is new, but the band's name is not. Guns n' Roses has already sold about 85 million records worldwide AND COUNTING (greatest hits album...).
So they can totally play stadiums again after the first or the 2nd single. Guns n' Roses is a huge Rock band. A legendary one. This band has a glorious past. And this band already played stadiums all over the world in the past.
Don't forget that Guns n' Roses were the biggest and most popular band in the world back in the days, they were bigger than U2, bigger than Metallica and bigger than any other Rock bands that are still up today.

i agree...

But I think that would be a little imature on the axl's part if he do this righ on the first single...the name is th same, but they sound totally diferent...maybe the band needs some time to the people get used to their sound...

They have a glorious past must must prove themselves again. The name and the past will mean jack shit if the material is garbage. So yes, if the album is great then GNr will be able to be glourious again in the next yur or so...

Give them some time to build it back up with the music. If its good we will be in the stadiums in a few yrs from now...BUt again its wishful and premature thinking...lets take it one step at a time.

Release a record and let the music do the talking. Although I think it would be great to see a video to let people know it's all new guys and to see a cool video. It's going to be really intrested though I can't imagine how and when this record does come what effect it's gona have. Finally put the end to all old guns n roses shit and start up chinses democracy...

More I see older bands if's obivious that having young members in this band is Axl best choice so far  : ok:

no news yet in the GNR camp Mysteron ?

That's what I hope anyway.  I was thinking this but didn't post it. I'm hoping Mysteron is trying to get some ideas out of us!

For what reasons other then to make conversation would Mysteron be looking for promotional ideas? He isnt part of GNR's management.  ???

Well everyone on this board treat him like he's god on this board, so I was just asking in general if something was up?  Maybe SOME kind of new info, I'm dieing for it man.

Me too my friend ... me too .....

The tour should be smaller venues at first.  Play LA, NY, Chicago, Boston.... all the places they did good in on the last tour but Play Roseland 3 nights in a row in NY.  Shit like that.  It's better to see them do a quick tour in the States with packed venues.  I saw Ozzy play Roseland right as Ozmosis cam out.  It was one of the best shows I'e ever seen.  Then he came back a few months later to a sold out arena.  It's a better way to build up a buzz.

The ideal tour would be this:
Just prior to the release of album and prior to the major tour they should play in a club in NYC and LA as a warmup for the tour.
Then they go on an arena world tour to support the album....

Its weird, he is so quiet now..... :-\

Yea, come on Mysteron, lets have some answers

I don't think that a film soundtrack is a very good idea for a first single.
I'll tell you why :

The USA distributes between 650 and 900 movies every year and people get an overdose of movies.
Some movies even go totally unnoticed and soundtracks tend to be so blended into the films that people don't hear them. Especially if the song is heard in the credits, at the end, because the majority of people don't stay in the cinema for the credits.

What i think would be good is an advert for a car, or for a sports brand ( Nike, adidas,......) distributed all over the world.
Adverts last between 15 and 30 seconds on television, appear between 2 to 30 times A DAY and last longer when you see their cinema versions. And God knows publicity kills people's brains, so everyone would sing along in their shower, totally intoxicated with a song.

That's a start, if you like it, ask me for the rest. :yes:

This is a great thread *takes notes for class* :)

Ok a huge stadium tour..is bad news. They prolly won't find a promotor anyway that would do that. They weren't selling out the arenas on the last tour. I vote for a small, club tour to start out. How cool would that be! Then work their way up to a summer shed tour (stay far away from 80s nostalgia tours). Next Fall, considering tix sales, then try for another "arena rock" tour. A small club tour would ALWAYS sell out and I'm pretty sure all us fans would drool over the whole experience. Axl might dig it more, cause he might be less high strung over the whole thing and not freakin stomp off stage.

And YES to free concerts in Philly and Toronto. THAT right there would save their asses major.

SNL idea..he just HAS to do. EVERY person that has had some sort of controversary has gone on there, made fun of themselves and it always WORKS. Think of all the great skits they could come up with. When people see that hes not taking himself so seriously, they will love it. He shouldn't host, he should just be a walk-on suprise guest and then be the musical act for the show.

And its too bad he couldn't add a soundtrack song to the new Howard Hughes movie. Would be great tounge in cheek move since hes the Howard Hughes of rock n roll.

Major interview with Kurt Loder has to be done. They should also go on Headbangers Ball on MTV2 when they video debuts or on Fuse. KNAC.com needs to land a major interview. Lonn Friend needs to interview him or Del James (he trusts them and Kurt the most). Rolling Stone I'm not so sure on. But if there is one mag, he should do that. He won't ever do anything for Spin, as he shouldn't. Stay away from VH-1 too. Revolver mag is another good one to interview with.

Website is a no brainer. They could add so much great stuff. But add contests too. Not cheezy ones, but ones to win tickets or signed stuff. Axl wouldn't dig this, but a official fan club would be great. Modeled after the Metallica one is a good idea. Get Jarmo to do it!

And if they  need a fan to interview them, I volunteer!

Ayla

we`r in quiet times now! Dont think he knows anything more then us

1) a bad news? excuse me?? bad news for YOU, because for me it would be the most exiting news for years in the GN'R world. This is my dream to see a huge GN'R stadium show in Paris (my city). A big big show.  :beer:
2) "I vote for a small, club tour to start out": think bigger. don't you have ambition?

*shrugs* I just would love to see them in a small venue. I just think it would be a huge mistake for them to try to fill venues like the last tour and lose money. How about a small venue tour in the States and an arena tour in Europe? Then we're both happy :)

Ayla

That wouldn't be a bad  Idea, AXL is still worshipped over here in europe, Unlike the US.

People forget how little hype was behind the last tour.  If he really wanted to he could have sold out at nearly every venue, if there had been a bit of promotion.

From now on the most important thing will be that people feel he is actually going to turn up.  Fans have lost money booking tickets and there is no show. I know people who won't get that back now.  That's the wages that they wake up every morning and work 8+ hours  to earn. 

Aslong as they make sure the tour is well planned out so that there's next to no chance of needing to cancel then people will go.  GN'R is a massive name.

i want to reiterate that there should be a bonus dvd and cd so that it will get more people to actually buy the thing. once it is released, it is pretty much impossible to stop piracy and so this way i think it can get more sales.

Hey Mysteron

As part of the promotion for Guns n' Roses, I think it would be a good idea to explain to the wider public who each band member is, what their backgrounds are, why they have been chosen to be part of Guns n' Roses, what GNR meant to them in their youth etc Personally, If this was in a run up to the release of Chinese Democracy or the tour, this would be awesome....even if there was no new music I think many of the GNR fans would appreciate this.

And I think we are all still interested to know what the final line up is going to be if you get my drift.

Andrew