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will anyone here be disappointed if there are only 12 songs on Chinese Democracy?

We've all heard 16 to 18 etc etc, and Im the type that loves high volume,high diversity.

So, I know as long as we get it, some of you probably dont care if its 8 songs as long as it's good, but once we buy it and get it in the car will u be maybe just a tad bit disappointed if it only has 12 tracks?

Yes, I would be disappointed....Im expecting at least 15 songs..

UYI I had 16

I would not be dissapointed if it has one track... depends on how good that one is. :)

I want more than an hour new music without covers, or I'll be disappointed. And I want another great album in 2 years.

Maybe the twelve songs wil be 7-10 minutes long each?

I dunno - if they were fuckin awesome then i wouldn't care -it could be the songs will be very long and space will be limited

I would be dissapointed if there was less than 75 mins worth on the cd

I doubt it cause 12 tracks time 10 minutes is 120 minutes and 12 times 7 mins is 84 min. a cd holds 80 minutes :)

so technically considering a cd is only 80 minutes, barring a 2 disc set *which is what id love to see* there really isnt any way to fit 15 to 16 songs.

16 songs would average 5 minutes a piece, which if u had enough 3 and a half minute rockers u could fit all that on there and still have 2 or 3 8 plus minute epics.

so it'll be interesting

i think a 2 cd set priced reasonably at 20 bucks would be fuckin amazing, 12 songs on each cd, then axl could have chinese democracy and the 2nd cd of the crazy experimental stuff.

It would depend on the quality of the tracks, if all twelve tracks were all of outstanding quality I would not be disappointed in the slightest, otherwise yes I would.

Don't they have 90 minute Cd's now I  swore that I saw them in a store?

I don't care how many songs are on CD ,I just want some new guns material.

I'm okay with 12 tracks.  Any less would be disappointing, and I'd rather have more, but 12 is pretty standard and I'd be fine with it, I think.

/Mike

Sometimes pairing an album down is the best thing to do. The best example of this is The Who's and Townsend's LIFEHOUSE project. Townsend intended to write another massive Tommy like rock opera and make a concert film with it. He recorded 30-40 tracks. However, along the way he became slightly stressed by the undertaking and freaked out. Instead of scrapping the whole thing he just took 9 powerhouse songs, dropped the film project and we got Who's Next, one of the greatest albums ever , certainly the Who's best. The rest of the tracks were eventually released at various times on b-side compilations and other albums. Axl has to have a monster album right off the bat, critically and commercially. Long sprawling albums don't generally get great reviews because there is always something someone doesn't like. By pairing the album down to the best tracks, he has a much better chance of it being critically accepted. Critical acceptance and sales will then give our fractured little redhead the confidence to release his other albums. Thus, 12 songs may be the smartest thing to do.

TOMMY.....or was it Dizzy?...said there are 6 epic songs in length......a possible average for the 6 songs... would be 8 minutes ?

6x8= 48 minutes....

you still have 32 minutes worth of songs... If they do the whole 80 minutes...then its very likely that they will have more than 12 songs.

yeah, 6 epics at a running time of 8 minutes apiece would still give 32 which could be 8 4 minute songs but if there are 6 epics then im guessin we will have 12 to 13 songs.

Won't be dissapointed, would be glad if the cd was in the stores, doesn't matter if it had 12 or 18 tracks.
Would love it, no matter what

hmmm but isnt  Madagascar considered an epic ? Its under 6 minutes....I'll be willing to bet that we'll have more than 14 songs, 15-16 .

Remember rhiad and the bedouins is only  3 minutes and 20 secs long,  God I love that song. :smoking:

I think the album will be about 14-16 songs.
Here is how I think the album wll break down.

5 songs that are 6-8 mins.
1 song that is 10
4 that are 5 mins
and 6 that are about 3

It's at least 78 minutes. We won't get that much. My tip:

4 songs that are 6-8 mins.
5 around 5
6-7 around 3-3 and a half minutes

This is a question someone should ask tommy or dizzy.
How many tracks on CD

lol - they had to go to LA just to find out what the songs sound like! They have no idea about anything to do with the album, they are truly hilarious as a ''band''

There is a reason for that.  Dizzy said they record three versions of most of the songs they have done.
so they were just listening to what versions Axl picked out for the album.

i hope axl pulls a Shania Twain and gives us two discs, first disc one version of the songs and a second disc of the other versions

it would be a shame to have different versions and we never get to hear em unless the different versions came out on huge EP single versions or something.

That would be nice to see what the wait was all about, see how much the songs changed

if the songs are good i wouldn't be dissappointed
look at appetite, any of you dissappointed about that album???

I think he'll go with 18, without the Chinese Democracy track as there first single.  Axl seems to talk it up more with the rest of his hidden "BIG GUNS" tracks.  I'm interested in hearing "The General" or "This I love".

I wonder how things have changed , those big guns were mentioned ages ago..

no, ill be happy 12 is a good number

if it has 12, I will be happy. As long as the album comes out, I'll be happy.

Incorrect! They went to listen to the final mix before it's mastered.

As far as I know (our more knowledgeable investigators can verify this), bands only get compensated for 12 songs on a record, so this sounds like a good number....I'm thinking 3 songs over 5-6 min...length isn't indicative of the emotional impact a song will have regardless....I expect most will be between 4-5 min...

yes u are absolutely correct Oneway, i remember jon bon jovi talkin about it and how they wouldnt put songs on their for free which is why they always do 12. thats kinda dumb though that they only get paid for 12, thats pretty crazy in my opinion but the record label will do anything to fuck u i guess.

The labels just love some raw rockstar ass : ok:

"you'll get 18 songs" Says Axl live in London 2002 after Chinese Democracy!

I am thinking there will be atleast 2 tracks of 8 minutes and 1 track of over 14 minutes? : ok: ...and a couple of 3 minute tracks

...maybe this is why Buckethead could not cope, as his albums tend to feature about 30 very short tracks? ;D

NO...10 wouldent dissapoint as long as they are really solid and they put out at least 2 GREAT videos for the singles.. :peace:

12, as long as there is not another 13 year wait for the next album-one every 2 years would be great.

Nope... 10 or 20 tracks, i dont care...  :P

I would really expect at least 15 songs, but it may be much less.  The reason is that Axl likes to write long and epic songs, like November Rain and Estranged, that may take up a lot of space.  Plus, Tommy's description of some of the songs makes me think there are plenty long songs.  So, there may be only 12 or 13 songs, but many of them very long.

I would not be dissapointed, as long as they`re good.

A few long epics, some rockers and a few mid tempo numbers ought to give is a long CD with 12 songs.

I won't  be dissapointed with 12 songs, as long as they are good and are not all 8 minute long.  If GNR had made UYI one 12 song album and had picked their best 12 it would be thought of today in the same light as AFD.  I am really hoping that the number of "epic" songs is around 2 and the number of shorter rockers is like 14.  I prefer the rockers to the ballads and the epics.

Someone said that Maddy has to be considered an epic.  I disagree.  First off I don't like the song that much as we have heard it to date, and secondly that MLK/voice overdub stuff just removes any epicness that it could potentially have. 

I think we are in for more than my desired 2 epic songs though, especially if the rumors of up to 8 orchestrated numbers are true.   

Let's hope it isn't 12 songs long with 8 orchestrated numbers.  I can listen to Beethoven if I want classical music.

-TyRod-

I agree, I'd rather have more rockers. But I don't dislike the epics.

That's how I feel myself..

Nothing wrong with GUNS 4' HIRE. It's all good but I agree I doubt they have any idea what CD finished product will be like. But If Axl put the 6 new tracks (omg, mad., the blues, silkworms, Rhiads, chinese democracry) plus 6 new songs with HIM singing I will be greatful. I just want to hear his voice rocking out some new shit. It seems If CD dont come out I am just gonna end up with more and more old demos. Hollywood Roses, Rapidfire (if they come out). i just want some new music with Axl's voice where my $12 goes to him, not someone trying to jerk off some money off his fame.

only thing that would disappoint me about 12 songs is if the 6 we've heard are on there, that means we've already heard and wore out half the album

so if those 6 are on there im hopin for more than 12.

well 5 theres no way in hell OMG will be on CD if it is im gonna be disappointed cause that would mean in my opinion they didnt have the abundance of material thats been rumored, i also dont think silkworms will be on there simply cause chris and dizzy wrote it and tommy said each song was written pretty much by the whole band

i might be dissapointed but at the moment probably i wouldnt care, as to what would be better rockers or epics, how bout rocker epics, frankly though i enjoy both so a good mix would be best in my view

im expecting 'round 18-20 trax, if only 12 then they would wanna be long songs :P

Oh please. The Blues and Madagascar are two of the "orchestrated numbers", doesn't mean they're classical music.

and secondly that MLK/voice overdub stuff just removes any epicness that it could potentially have.?

why is that ?? i think that part is what makes the song EPIC.
MLK is a legend....it makes the song legendary  :P
Maybe some people still want OIAM. :hihi:

Twelve would be great. It has to do with quality not quantity.  :peace:

once again i hate when people refer to the madagascar quotes as MLK quotes! there are like a total of only 2 or 3 MLK quotes in the whole thing, does that mean we can call it the micheal J fox quotes?

those quotes i didnt like at first i admit but it was only cause i didnt fully understand what they were suppose to mean. Now that i know that they tell a story and have a valid meaning i think they are really awesome and are very meaningful.

I want to know what Tommy means by "Earth Shattering" I am so looking forward to hearing as is everyone on this board I hope I think we will get about 16-18 songs didn't Axl mention a bonus disc? A while back.

i can honestly say i have no idea what you're talki9ng about :headscratch:

He means that people shouldn't lable it as: "just some qoutes from mjk" but that the qoutes are beeing used as autobiografy. The qoutes are about himself.

If it's a choice between an album with 12 great songs and an album with 12 great songs + 6 mediocre songs (for 18 total), I'd actually prefer a 12-song album.

I'd also say that, if he leaves some really great material off in order to keep a certain vibe for the album, that's a great move.

I still think UYI could have been a tighter album if it had merely been resequenced and possibly shortened. Addition by subtraction, I think they call it.

yeah.. realized that when i heard "all men betray.. all lose heart" and i knew he was referring to his ex-band mates..

and like i said.. i dont care how many songs are on it.. its better to have 5 November Rains than 18 My Worlds..  :nervous:

Agree with you completely. I could do without OMG, rhiad, and the blues if I can hear something new in its place.  If Maddie and CD are the only previously heard songs, I will be esctatic with 12.

I honestly dont care how many tracks are on CD. I hope the studio version of the blues is included in CD. It wouldnt surprise me one bit if Axl threw in his "trump" card and gave us a double disk. Also the record company has invested millions into Axl and CD so it wouldnt surprise me if they would try to pull for a double disk. Again I dont care if CD is 7 tracks or 25 tracks I know Axl will deliver and if we do get a double disk, updated website with exclusives, DVD or etc that is just makes the pie sweeter.

Those are the two songs I've heard so far that I like the least.

LOL. Well, i've got some news for you, you probably won't like this album then. LOL>

May they get more time with the new digital studios?
Any technical genies?

same here, 16-18 tracks might mean too many fillers - particulary if they are planning to spread those so-called 'big guns' over 3 albums.

I want at least 14 songs. And i don't want them ALL 7-9 minute masterpieces. I want a few good 4-5 minute rockers. After all Guns N' Roses are a fuckin rock band

1 track on any cd would please me at the moment!

anyone with half a brain realizes 10-12 songs can already be downloaded off the internet so the album is basically in existance already..... and I would rather buy an album that took 10 years to produce that has 10 amazing tracks, than to buy a rushed money grabber cd that took 10 monthes to produce and has 1 good song (Contraband)

10-12 songs? damn what site do u go to bro? fill me in! those songs are fake by the way, there are only 6 new GNR songs available for download, maddy,blues,chinese democracy,rhiad,silkworms and oh my god

if u know where 4 to 6 more are, i wouldnt tell anyone, id burn em and sell em

Oh my God is not a new track, its from the End of Days Soundtrack... but the songs you can find all over the internet are Dust In the Wind, Anybody, Chinese Democracy, Crash- Diet, Just Another Sunday, Madagascar, My Fellow Americans, Rhiad and the Bedouins, Silk Worms and The Blues..... there's 10 right there.  :smoking:

Where to begin?

just let it go oneway! hahaha just let it go!


those other songs u mentioned were use your illusion out takes

ive never heard of anybody and my fellow americans isnt a chinese democracy track

My Favourite Pillow, Anybody, OMG, Silkworms, Riyadh and My Fellow Americans on an album? Could have been the greatest GN'R record ever!  :hihi:

one of the things that bothers me most is how some people damn Chinese Democracy before we ever hear a note.

its like no matter how great chinese democracy is, it can never be as great as afd or the illusions or the old gnr.

why cant it?

why cant the new gnr destroy and bury the old gnr by creating an album so awesome it blows away anything GNR have ever done?

I know it would be very very hard but until i hear the cd im not gonna make it come up short just because i have blind loyalty to the old gnr.

some people regardless of how great CD is will never give it its full credit because their minds are already made up. i dont think thats fair.

I'll give the chance to CD, I'll 'listen without prejudice'. I hope it'll be great... But I fear Axl ruined his carreer with this 11 years of silence, the public missed his best years. Now it's time to release what he wrote in that decade.

But I doubt that CD will top the first GN'R-era for me: 'cause there is no Slash. (On the other hand: when I hear Slash's records I always miss Axl.) CD can be great, Guns N' Roses can be huge again, but it'll be something different. First, there could have been some musical changes I don't really like (OMG, Silkworms), second, I fell in love with GN'R's music when I was 13-years old. First love, yeah, my Bon Jovi experience was just a flirt? ;D So I'm much older now and I really don't think I'll find any music that's mean so much for me than AFD, Lies and the UYIs. Even if the old band reunites someday, it won't be the same... but if anything can be that huge for me than GN'R was then it'll be the reuinon. When hell freezes over...