Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Seeing the new Bucket dates, it seems Brain is not with him anymore.

So Tommy was right?!  (if so it will be the first time a band member says something that really happened)

Peace  :hihi:

That is, if Tommy really said that. And it wouldn't be the first time, but I see you're joking.

Brain toured with Bucket on his Giant Robot tour thru the USA - June to July.  At the end of the tour, they played a show in Japan but Brain did not go.

They are both touring together with Col. Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains at the end of the month.

John
GNRontour.com (http://GNRontour.com)

Bucket is out on the road touring, and Brain is... Brain is not touring, Brain will have to wait to tour, Brain could have a long wait on his hands if GN'Rs touring history is anything to go by  ;)

Check out the FREE Buckethead track for download on his site. It's pretty ok. Although why there is a charge to download the whole live gig is a joke. It should be FREE  : ok:

Brain will be touring with Tom Waits in November in Europe, that's all I know

It seems that there really is no real GN'R anymore. Simply a lead singer a bunch of musicians who work with all manner of other people. Didn't Meat Loaf operate like this?

Legally, this band is not like the old lineup where they all had an equal say in what went down.  Creatively, this seems to very much be a band, as Tommy has said countless times that everyone in the band was involved in the songwriting process.

IMO, the fact that the band members work with artists from across the music spectrum during their down time is not a bad thing at all.  If anything, it only broadens the range of influences that can be brought into the GN'R songwriting process.

Ali

Just noticing this? :'(

Brain will be on the C2B3 tour through Nov 7th...at least he better because I'm going to the Atlanta show.

I guess for those people who didn't believe me when I said I talked to Tommy and he told me that Brain was leaving Bucket will believe me now.? I forgive you, there are a lot of rumors that fly around here.

peace

Maybe Bucket is leaving that band now.

Now dont be like that bro, they have money n' so does the old band, they dont have to be cramped into some shit hole house in L.A. together to be a real band, they'r just keepin' buisy mate. : ok:

just like Ali said, this band's gotta be the most creative band around, the old line up ended this way too, it's all about the money.

A more positive way to see it is that perhaps Axl is a thoughtful guy; he knows he's taking forever to get his stuff done and so rather than make the rest of the guys sit around and wait on him, he encourages them to go out and do their own thing.?

Brain is leaving Bucket? You make it sound like they're lovers or something...
In any case, Brain IS playing with Bucket in Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains through October/Early November...
Here are the dates from www.c2b3.com:

09/24
Minneapolis, MN
Quest Club

09/25
Chicago, IL
Riviera Theatre

09/27
Royal Oak, MI
Royal Oak Theatre

09/28
Washington, DC
Nation

09/29
Boston, MA
Roxy

10/01
New York, NY
Roseland Ballroom

10/02
Philadelphia, PA
Electric Factory

10/03
Providence, RI
Lupo's

10/05
Asheville, NC
Orange Peel

10/06
Atlanta, GA
Variety Playhouse

10/21
Salt Lake City, UT
Velvet Room

10/22
Denver, CO
Fillmore

10/23
Albuquerque, NM
Sunshine Theater
?
10/25
Las Vegas, NV
House of Blues

10/26
Tempe, AZ
Marquee Theatre

10/27
San Diego, CA
4th & B

10/29
Los Angeles, CA
Avalon

10/30
San Francisco, CA
Warfield

11/01
Santa Cruz, CA
Catalyst
Tickets

11/03
Sacramento, CA
Crest Theatre

11/05
Eugene, OR
McDonald Theatre

11/06
Portland, OR
Roseland

11/07
Seattle, WA

Brain also has dates scheduled with Tom Waits in Vancouver and Europe and likely more West Coast dates will be announced during the gap in C2B3's touring schedule...

Excellent post

And when Axl decides to ring the bell, Im sure the members are involved witht he whole touring process as well. Stage stuff, etc....

Here are the announced dates with Tom Waits:

Vancouver (BC), Orpheum Theater, 15 October
Antwerp, Bourla, 13 November
Berlin, Theater des Westens, 15
Berlin, Theater des Westens, 16
Berlin, Theater des Westens, 17
Amsterdam, Carr?, 19 November
Amsterdam, Carr?, 20 November
Amsterdam, Carr?, 21 November
London, Carling Apollo, 23 November

Regarding the other members doing shows outside of GNR:

Its a win win situation. THey keep busy while they are waiting for GNR to finish CD.

They stay fresh so when it is time to tour again with GNR.

More experience playing with different people brings more creative input for GNR.

jeez peeps. you seem to have selected reading comprehension. It was clearly stated several times that bucket and brain will be touring together thru november 7th. It is still has not been demonstrated that bucket won't tour with gnr.

I could care less that Bucket is playing with Brain through November.  My point, and Tommy's point was that he is "leaving Bucket", exact words from Tommy.  When that may be?  I don't know, but he is going to eventually leave. 

he is not going to leave. the chances are better that Brain leaves GNR. just visit c2b3.com/bios and read what Brain told about his time with GNR especially about "Sweat Child of Mine". not really nice for a GNR drummer to talk like that....

boy you are sure sticking to that statement huh? Well tommy's remark is present future indicating that brain will be leaving bucket yet we have dates for the next two months in the future where the two are side by side. So tell me where is the empirical evidence indicating any truth to what you purport Tomy to have said. We have no link to the statment other than what you claim. Sorry bro, but your opinion on this matter is just plain wrong at this point in time. I would suggest you to soften your stance until you have some better evidence to back yourself up.

read this:

"The jams gained structure and became songs, fairly reminiscent of Bernie's "Talking Heads" days." says Claypool. Brain and Buckethead, both of whom had spent time working with Guns N Roses, were ecstatic with their newfound recording freedom. "We approached it as a free-form," says Brain. "Every take was different. It wasn't like 'here's where I have do that lick for 'Sweet Child o' Mine' or something stupid like that."

c2b3.com/bios

That is really Sad.!!!!
I don't see a future of Brain and Buckethead in GNR with comments like that.

 

Brain's name is listed in the ad for the Roseland show here on October 1st.

(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/aqua91504.jpg)

I wouldn't be surprised if Fortus attends this show. HE told me he went to bucket and brain's show in the city this past summer. Are tickets on sale yet?

Sounds like Axl still is re-recording AFD after all these years. Im curious what he plans on doing with it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fortus attends this show. HE told me he went to bucket and brain's show in the city this past summer. Are tickets on sale yet?

you are friend with Fortus?

Sounds like Axl still is re-recording AFD after all these years. Im curious what he plans on doing with it.

probably nothing. just making his members angry...

I don't give a shit about fuckethead. FUCK THE BUCKET!!!

SLASH RULES!!!!!! : ok::beer::smoking:

IMO Brain is more stable than Bucket. I think that is obvious. We have no indication he won`t be with GNR when they go on tour (in 2005??)

Brain does not want to sit around and wait for GNR to tour again, so he is doing other stuff in the meantime. Can`t blame the guy.

i am hoping that both brain and bucket will be reunited as Gnr members because they deserve to tour on this album.

if Brain really said that, it doesn't surprise me. I already read lots of things where he made bad coments. He always spends his time insulting the band or making joke of the GN'R situation. To be sincere, I've never liked like him. It's physicall, I can't stand him. I've NEVER seen him smile, never EVER! I've tons of new GN'R video bootlegs and I absolutely never see him smile.? ?It's like he is druming in GN'R as if he worked in a cimetary. wow...he doesn't enjoy it very much...
So do you know Why?he is in that band? very simple...it's for $$$. That guy has no heart and soul. He is just a mercenary. He doesn't care of GN'R come on, I'm sure he even doesn't like the music he plays with that band.
I hope Axl will fired him very soon (before the tour happens). Brain is not made for GN'R.

brain is an incredible drummer. All he said in that piece was that he didn't like playing someone else's music. It's understandable. Give him a chance to tour on his own contributions and I'll think his mind will change. that and the huge payday of course.....

This is a human problem. I'm sorry but..."it doesn't make it". that's it. That guy never smiled when he was touring in 2002. WTF? was he only standing for his paycheck to smile a little bit once in his life? and very often when he gives interviews, he makes fun of the GN'R situation showing how bored he feels to be in the band. So why does he stay? come on, leave it if you don't like it. nanananah...$$$ are stronger than everything for him. just like a prostitute. What a shame...
Plus He is a correct drummer but? not the best at all. Matt sorum or Lars Ulrich are waaaaay better. you can find tons of? better drumers than Brain, especially in Rock music.

so why did he join Guns n' Roses? that's what I say, he doesn't give a shit about the whole thing. Touring with GN'R and playing classic GN'R success Hits just bored him in 2002. Juts look at your bootlegs, Brain is pathetic. He played drums like a heartness machine.? Come on, bring back Rock n' Roll, bring back feeling.

Excuse me so be so nervous but I can't bear him. From the 1st day I saw him at RIR3 I had a bad feeling with Brain. a heartless machine yeah...

nope but i talked to him after tommy's concert in the city a couple months ago where he showed up and played a couple songs. that good enough for ya? : ok: i aint lyin i swear!

there is no way 'trash can' ulrich and 'lemon puss' sorum are better drummers than brain who is very sought after as a studio musician. Sorry but no dice.

Real drummers don't smile when they play as a general rule of thumb.  It is a rock band the drummer should not be grinning like the villaige idiot.  You don't see Rush fans complaining that neil peart doesn't smile.  Seriously i've never seen a good drummer smile when he is playing anything that takes talent to play.  Granted brain could probably play most of the gn'r drum parts in his sleep with a few exceptions but its not exactly glam rock where they should all be smiling for the cameras like they were in poison.  Why not complain that he doesn't do fancy twirls with his sticks and drum upside down in a cage like tommy lee.

it seems to me that BH and Brain just cannot cope with Axl's way of making music and recording.
i just don't understand why Brain hasn't quit and yet is talking bad about his involvement in GNR.

Saying Lars Ulrich is a better drummer than Brain is funny. St Anger proves how bad he is.  Lars is a shrewd businessman and a competant drummer, that is about it.

I agree.

speaking of Brain and Bucket...http://www.audiocourses.com/article345.html   article on Brain

Is it possible that the two utes...  ;)

Is it possible that Brain just didn't join GN'R to play the old material? Is it possible that he joined because he thought the new material was great and he enjoys playing something he wrote himself a lot more than playing the old stuff?

Same goes for Tommy and the rest of them. People seem to think these guys joined because they wanted to play Appetite For Destruction at every show and when they say they never were big GN'R fans, they're only there for the money?  ::)

Josh Freese and Brain are both great choices for the drummer slot.



/jarmo

"they"? no I spoke especially about Brain. and only him,? Because I really have the impression he doesn't feel concerned by what's going on with GN'R. That's not the first interview I read where he seems so bored to work with GN'R. So if you think the money isn't his only and exclusive motivation, why does he stay if he doesn't like what he is doing with GN'R?...all the bad comments always come from Brain. I find that pretty weird...that's not the way a band should be. a band is like a sport team, like a football team you know, everybody should be concerned by what's going on.

Where did he say the new music he's made with GN'R is boring?



/jarmo

Considering Brain's recent comments in a recent c2b3 article, his remarks at shows, and the current tour with c2b3, we have more reason to believe he'll remain a musician with bucket than we do that he's still with GNR.

Oneway, where is that article?

this is the way he speaks in his interviews. I remember that I read a couple of month ago an interview made by a fan who met him after a show and who asked him some GN'R questions and brain answered something like "as far as I'm paid..." and then he laughed on the GN'R situation. He didn't seem to give a shit about that. You can make a research on that, there used to be a topic about it. Lots of people (like me) were shocked. it was 2 or 3 month ago I think. So that's not the first time I read weird Brain comments on GN'R.

Madagas, I'm looking for the article now....I seem to remember it was billboard, yet I can't find it at the moment...I checked the bucketboards and Primusville to no avail...The blurb speaks about the recording taking a free-form carefree attitude, as opposed to GNR.  Brain says something to the effect of "It was liberating to explore a bit without having to worry about playing this Sweet Child O' Mine fill here and here at this exact moment."

This was posted earlier in this thread:

Although the band had originally attempted to go for a casual, somewhat open improvisational approach, things changed as the band recorded. "The jams gained structure and became songs, fairly reminiscent of Bernie's "Talking Heads" days." says Claypool. Brain and Buckethead, both of whom had spent time working with Guns N Roses, were ecstatic with their newfound recording freedom. "We approached it as a free-form," says Brain. "Every take was different. It wasn't like 'here's where I have do that lick for 'Sweet Child o' Mine' or something stupid like that."

http://www.c2b3.com/bios/bios.shtml



I can see the humor in that statement....



/jarmo

Although the band had originally attempted to go for a casual, somewhat open improvisational approach, things changed as the band recorded. "The jams gained structure and became songs, fairly reminiscent of Bernie's "Talking Heads" days." says Claypool. Brain and Buckethead, both of whom had spent time working with Guns N Roses, were ecstatic with their newfound recording freedom. "We approached it as a free-form," says Brain. "Every take was different. It wasn't like 'here's where I have do that lick for 'Sweet Child o' Mine' or something stupid like that."

http://www.c2b3.com/bios/bios.shtml



I can see the humor in that statement....



/jarmo

i can see the humor too.
But I can also see some  :P feelings about his work in GNR. 

Truth be told, I would get bored doing the same setlist of songs I did not write for 26 straight shows. There was absolutely no improvisation/instrumental jams by the band at all. (if there was it was very minimal). Buckethead and Brain are highly skilled improv/avant garde musicians. Playing the exact same thing night in and night out is not their cup of tea. Also, what does Brain really have to be excited about? They haven't toured in two years, there is no release date for the album, no tour dates scheduled-nothing! Blame Axl, don't blame Brain. :rant:

i agree and i find it rather sad that Axl (will lose) lost two great musicians....

If Brain cares about his career, he needs to be careful of what star he attaches his wagon to.

He can be loyal to BH and attach his wagon to that star and never be anything more than an underground avant garde freak show that makes no money and whom only a handful of people recognize, or he can attach his wagon to Axl and potential become part of what might be the one of the great music acts of the 00's and may become a household name that becomes synonomous with greatness. 

I have no idea how he could possible choose BH over Axl.   :-\   But does anyone really care if he leaves?  I could care less.  As far as I'm concerned the band is a bunch of hired musicians that can be replaced and the parts moved in and out without any real impact. 

-TyRod-

you just don't get what music is about, do you?

Please enlighten me with your wisdom.  What is music all about to you?  I think that music is about different things in different musical genres, but I can't wait to hear what you think music is all about because you have made yourself out to be an expert here.

My statements above do not speak to what music is about in any way unless you are naive enough to think the words "selling out" actually mean anything.  Creating improvisational music with an underground group like that bucket of brains mess is an entirely different animal than creating a Chinese Democracy.  One will lead to nothing while the other may lead to greatness.  One will lead to fame and the other will remain underground.  Do you know why music remains underground?  Most of the time its because that where it belongs because it basically sux.

My statement stands.  Brain is a serviceable part that can be replaced with a few phone calls and a few auditions.  He is by no mean critical to GNR.  Hell if Axl thinks Slash and Duff can walk out and be replaced then he sure as hell can replace someone like Brain.


If Brain has any brains or any real career ambition, he will stay with GNR.

-TyRod-

Brain is a very successful session musician and will also be touring Europe with Tom Waits in November. Waits is literally one of the best songwriters ever...yes, *gasp*, better than Axl. Brain is still a part of Gnr and I am personally glad. Tyrod, I will agree he is an easily changeable part but that is because Axl's music is essentially pretty straight forward. It is not hard to duplicate the drum parts of Steven Adler. Without hearing Chinese, it is unfair to judge Brain at this point.

This is one of the single most idiotic posts I've ever read. clearly you have no idea what Buckethead does and why he does it. Please refrain from posting about things you know nothing about. I feel embarrassed for your ignorance.

Tyrod, I suppose by your logic, bands like Fugazi and Mr. Bungle suck, because well, they've never achieved a top 40 hit....They should remain in the "underground" where they belong...

thank you for this great post. this is not a joke.

You all missed my point..  I know that all music that is popular is not always good.  That is obvious.  My point was..and I said it twice, why would he want to stay in absolute obscurity and play improvisional music with BH, when his other choice is to ride out CD and maybe become huge.  I think it is safe to say that if CD becomes big it will be because the music is good an not because of marketing (i.e. Spears).

I know what BH does.  I have all his albums and I am going to see him in Providence next month at Lupo's.  He is avant garde and underground and will always be that way.  He has not written one single piece of music that will ever be remembered (except what he may have written on CD) nor will his music ever be considered classic in the future.  He is basically the 7th ranked shredder in the world and that is what he does best.  But it doesn't retract from the fact that his music is not very relevant.

There is no need to be so harsh about my post here folks.  To question my intelligence because I think Brain is stupid if he chooses BH over Axl is pretty bizaar.  And the next person that tells someone of this board to refrain from posting can fuck off.  :)

-TyRod-

a rather strange post for somebody who has all BH's albums....how can "chinese democracy" be more relevant than BH? just because it sells more? will only albums be remembered that sold millions of copies because the amount of sold CDs sjows their greatness. what makes you so sure that BH will not become classic? it's like Woody Allen said: to have success you have to be different.
but success is more than the amount of sold albums...i think.

I disagree with everything you said in the second paragraph. How can you be a fan if you only consider him to be a shredder? Ever hear I Love My Parents? No guitarist has ever written a piece of music that has touched me like this piece. I seriously doubt you own all of bucket's work if your opinion is so low of him. And yes, I would suggest you not try to come off as an expert on a subject that oozes with your ignorance.

I disagree with everything you said in the second paragraph. How can you be a fan if you only consider him to be a shredder? Ever hear I Love My Parents? No guitarist has ever written a piece of music that has touched me like this piece. I seriously doubt you own all of bucket's work if your opinion is so low of him. And yes, I would suggest you not try to come off as an expert on something that oozes with your ignorance.

I love my parents from Giant Robot is great. really great.

I do have all his abums (must admit I got them for free off of IRC - thank god I didn't pay for that shit), and I have listened to then only a few times each.  They don't stand out as anything that great in my opinion and some are just downright not listenable or reek of being lame like that stupid Bucketheadland gimmick.  I have free tickets to see his show with Brain in Providence next month so I said I would go, otherwise I wouldn't be there.

I take it from your comments that you think Brain should, if he had to choose, stay with BH over Axl?

Killingvector, where do I come off as an expect?  And for questioning my intelligence twice...fuck off.  I didn't go to school to learn music, but I do hold 2 engineering degrees from one of the best engineering schools in the world.  My intelligence is not really questionable.  So instead of coming off as an expert in all things me, tell me why you think Brain would choose BH over Axl.

Caligulia, still waiting to hear your wisdom on what music is all about.

BH will never be anyuthing more than he is now, which is an artist that puts out 2 albums a year to no fanfare and even less album sales.  You don't have to sell a million albums to be considered good, but you do have to sell some album.  What are his sales numbers?  Not much is my bet.  And if not for his involvement in GNR for a number of years, he would sell even less.  Nobody cares to buy his music because no body knows who he is because his music is not relevant.

-TyRod-

First of all,  I have neither the desire, patience, or time to explain "buckethead" to you. Since you have the discs, you can figure it out for your self what you are missing if you so desire. Clearly your assessment of Bucket as being a 7th level shredder with a handful of fans who follow a travelling freakshow is brutally ignorant and laughable. I hope you are a better engineer than a music appreciator, because i have to tell you, your insight on this issue is downright ludicrous.

As for Brain choosing Bucket over Axl; well, one is consistently touring while creating and releasing music several times a year, while the other has sat on hours and hours of tape since 1997with thus far no official indication that it will be released anytime soon. I don't at all second guess Brain for losing interest in a project that ended horribly in 2002. i would hope he would want to tour on this record, because it's partly his and bucket's. They deserve? the credit for their contributions, not to mention it would guarantee them significant bank and publicity. The question is really for those guys though: do they need those things or are their careers at a comfortable place where the spoils of touring on CD wouldn't enhance their work outside of Gnr?

if you don't like bucket, please don't go to his show. give your tickets to someone with an open mind.

1st off , you are a theif and shouldnt be allowed to post on htgth.com about stealing music. Second off , you outta give the tickets to someone how would enjoy them .. a fan. Or scalp them , whatever.




I'm not KV , but I will give my opinion. Buckethead and brain have been friends for a long number of years. They have been in many bands together and played countless shows and made numerous recordings. They are friends. They know the way each other works on stage and in the studio and they enjoy the same kinda music enviroment. One doesnt FORCE the other to play a certain way. they play off one another. I think brain would rather be in a band with Buckethead because of these reasons .. not to mention he can make big coin doing session work and he was famous for being such an indemand session drummer and the drummer for Primus before ever joining GNR.




So so ignorant. Buckethead has many fans. Many loyal fans. And his fans buy everyone of his albums. He doesnt sell HUGE numbers but he does sell enough albums , on small independant labels no less , to continue being able to record and sell more. Believe me , buckethead gets fanfare and rave reviews .. guitar mags cream over him and beg him for interviews and articles but Bucket shrugs them off cause he doesnt really want the "sell out" type fame. Maybe thats the biggest reason he left GNR. You really dont have any idea how loyal Bucketheads fans are and obviously you dont have any clue to how good his music really is , which is sad.

btw .. why do you think axl begged him to join GNR if the guy wasnt one of the best in the world right now?

Just because I don't like BH's solo music that much doesn't mean that I don't have an open mind.  Talk about an ignorant statement.  It is just personal opinion that I am stating here.  We are all entitled to that much.  His style of music is lame IMO.  Bucketheadland is the gayest thing I have ever listened to.  Do I call you ignorant for liking his music?  No, even though I think you have to be lame to think his music is really that great.  I refrain from that sort of thing because it is just opinion.  If someone said GNR was lame, would you think they are ignorant even though it is all a matter of personal taste?  Stop the insults.

Why do you think that you are more of an aficianado of music than I am just because I think BH is lame?  I bet we'd both find things in each others music collection that the other finds bad.  Grow up and stop the insults.

-TyRod-

I called you ignorant because you said Buckethead releases albums to no fanfare , which is not at all true. therefore your statement was indeed ignorant .

Simple as that.  : ok:

I was talking to KV.  :)

And the reason I habve no idea how loyal BH fans are is because you never come across them.   He is not popular by any definition.  Which is fine if you are striving to be anonymous.  And the reason he doesn't do intervioews is because he is afraid to speak.  Its the same reason he wears a mask.  He has issue and the gimmick is wekass.

-TyRod-

you don't have an open mind because you ignorantly regard bucket as nothing more than a shredder when he clearly is  much more, call his performance art a freak show, refer to his music as shit even though there are thousands of people who enjoy it. Your comments are abrasive and offensive to me. If you had an open mind you would realize that the so called 'shit' to which you refer is embraced by thousands of fans and critics. Even though I don't care for Prodigy or other electronica, i can appreciate the fact that millions find those sounds entertaining. I don't mock their interest by calling it shit. Only a very immature person feels the need to piss into the wind or masturbate as you have with your brutish comments you have posted. Get a clue, then get a life.


A little late to try to turn this around on me. Your offensive comments were insulting to dozens of posters around here. I don't claim to be anything more than you or anyone else; I have respect for the tastes of others, unlike you.

You dont ever come across them? hmm , maybe you dont look hard enough. Why not stop by buckethead.tk and ask all 500 of us what we think? You remind me of what slash said in guitar world recently "I dont believe buckethead is real .. I mean .. I've never met him"  ::)

btw .. he isnt afraid to speak as he has done interviews in the past. Maybe the most notable being the MTV TV interview with kurt loder. If you were a fan you would know why he wears the mask and bucket and created a characther. The info is all there for any "fan" to find , straight from buckets own words. In fact it's all nestled away at bh.tk.  ;)

Speaking of "weakass" .. I think the more this goes on the more your arguement is being shown to be "weakass" ... go ahead though , feel free to keep talking out of yours  : ok:

If buckethead has more then 20,000 fans worldwide, I don't believe it.  I'm willing to bet that Brain is with GNR no matter what come late December when GNR plays in Vegas, and I am also willing to bet that Buckethead isn't there. 

smeagol, I'll take that bet. I bet he has more than half a million.

The Bucketed one is huge in Japan. However how in the heck can anyone post numbers of how many fans a person has? lol

However many fans he has doesnt really affect the skills he has on guitar.  : ok:

yeah very true. LOL.

 ;D

didn't Monsters and Robots sell 550.000 copies?

beats me. But I can atleast claim to have a copy I bought unlike our friend Mr.Tulip.  :hihi:

i am also one of the 550.000, which is a great succes for a independent guitarist with a KFC bucket and a mask. i think this number is going to grow in the future...

I totally agree. Everyday I find myself welcoming another bucketbot into the community. It's like , when they see him live they are hooked for life.  : ok:

I never understand why anyone calls his playing emotionless. During the 2002 tour, I couldn't take my eyes off of him; he is always doing some very odd, yet world class little movement.

it is because they always judge with this Rock, Rock n Roll or even Jazz standards. the artist has to move, jump and shout and that's supposed to be emotions.

Yeah , and most of these "flamers" havent even seen buckethead play in his "own" element where he does move , jump AND shout .. and alot!!!

P.S. KV , I cant believe you said "world class" ahahaha

If it wasnt for the "dont post only smileys" rule I think I could hang out here alot more often.  :rofl:

I'm dying to see any Soundscan numbers where Buckethead has sold more then 20,000 copies....................

Nobody is taking away that fact that he is good.  What I'm saying is that he is not very popular because he is not relevant today or at any other time and that Brain would be better off staying with Axl just for the sheer potential it brings with it.  Let's face it, the bucket and mask gimmick is fucking retarded and he plays with so little emotion.  I saw him with GNR and he was damn good, but didn't move more than 10 feet one way or the other all night.  You can't take your eyes off him because he is wearing a fucking KFC bucket on his head, not because he plays with some great emotion.   ::)

He may be an excellent "technical" guitarist, but it seems that he would be incapable of creating a timeless piece of guitar music like Slash's SCOM solo or Skynard's Freebird solo or any other great and timeless piece of guitar music that you can think of.

You ask why would Axl beg him to join if he wasn't good.  Well he is good, but I still disagreed with having him in GNR from the get go.  I thought it was one of many mistakes that Axl has made and I would bet that Axl would agree with me now.

He may have 500,000 fans worldwide, but in the states I'd bet it is well below 50,000 and that is pretty bad considering there are about 250,000,000 people in the US.

Brain if you read this, and if you have even a small clue and want to graduate from session drummer to being in a top notch rock band that tours the biggest venues and plays before millions of fans, you will stick with Axl.  IF you want to remain in obsurity, you can stick with BH.

-TyRod-

Tyrod, do me a favor and download population override...I'll even rip it for you....Just listen to the record once...

I have to say that I do agree with TyRod that Bucket has no emotion on stage.? When I saw him in Tacoma a couple of years back, I thought he was an unbelievable guitar player, but had absolutely no emotion, or stage presence.?

I personally really like Colma and Electric Tears.? Are their any other albums of his that are like those that I could get my hands on?? I really like his slower stuff much more than his faster material (alteast the fast stuff that I have heard).

I do not have that BH record.  You don't have to rip it for me though, I am getting it right now on my own.  I'll burn it tomorrow and listen to it Wednesday and let you know what I think after that.

-TyRod

what is timeless to you? why must this be a majority rules argument? I won't ever compare slash and bucket because neither deserve that comparison. There are a number of wedges of bucket that are timeless in my opinion: I love my parents, nottingham lace, Slunk, The Sheetz, Binge and Grab et al. i enjoy the complexity of those pieces as much as the raw rock sound of the SCOM solo. Just because more people can identify slash's axe work doesn't mean bucket's contributions are any less quality. Maybe in your mind, but music shouldn't cater to how many people have heard it.



As I said, I couldn't take my eyes off him. He was unbelievable to watch. I grew out of the rock sour face solo with my Get A Grip album.


once again, doesn't make a bit of difference one way or anther but he does have alot of fans.


well, the fact that he works with so many people speaks volumes for his talent. i don't think brain is worrying too much about work. Whether GnR is still top notch remains to be seen.

Brain will be doing the Bucket dates, then the Tom Waits dates then returning to the gnr camp in January. This has come from Brain  (Jarmo has a copy of the correspondence)

 : ok:

According to information I received, Brain is touring with Colonel Claypool's Bucket Of Bernie Brains until November.

Then he's touring with Tom Waits and after that back to GN'R.

Edit: Looks like Mysteron beat me by one second.....  :hihi:


/jarmo

 :hihi: I got there before you

and he is not going to take Buckethead with him? strange, I thought they joined GNR together and ONLY would join it together and now BH is out and Brain is still in. Crazy stuff happens.

Ok
let?s calm down and realize
we got dizzy, tommy and now brain saying that GNR -> just next year
NOTHING will happens this year...
I think it?s enough to know

we?re in the middle of September

let?s wait another 4 months to get "good" news
Chinese Democracy is getting closer

Ok.  I burned this album this morning and will be listening to it during my workout at lunch.  I'll report back after lunch on my impressions.  I'll leave an open mind.

-TyRod-

Ok, I listened to 45 min out of the 55 min album during my workout (workout only lasts 45 min).  I gave it an honest try and entered it with an open mind, and I can honestly say that I will never listen to it again.  My impressions:

1.  Each songs blends together and no one songs differentiating itself from the other.  Each song sounds just like the last.  After a while it all sounds like noise ... and not good noise at that.  There is not one memorable moment in the 45 min I listened to.

2.  I can now see why he can put out 2-3 albums a year.  From the sounds of this album, it appears that it was just improvised.  It sounds like the musicians are just jamming in the studio and whatever comes out is what is put on the cd. 

3.  All this really is is mood music.  There are no real emotions that are brought to surface.  This music may be nice to set a mood maybe as background music at a cocktail hour or maybe as a conversation piece, but it isn't really good for much else.  It invokes no real emotions in me at all.

Bottom line is that I would take 1 Slash riff over 1,000,000 BH riffs.  BH is a good technical performer (as this CD proves), but there is absolutely no substance there. 

Keep in mind this is just muy opinion and I'm sure there are dozens of peopel out there that can listen to this cd more than once.  It's just that I'm not one of them.

-TyRod-

 

I suggest you take the Buckethead discussion to the right section from now on.  :yes:

Thank you.




/jarmo

Well this thread did spiral out from its original discussion to this point, but such is the evloution and nature of a discussion sometimes.  The basis of the original discussion is still being debated and that is whether or not Brain will or has left GNR.  Since it is still an active discussion in this section, can you please just leave it?

How the fuck can you possibly call yourself a music fan when you can say something like that?

Never listen to something again after you've only heard it once?

I assume that you can't be a Tool fan...

...Or a fan of any other band with too much depth to their songs.

But as the boss said, right section, now.

Well... Agree with u Illusions! Never make up ur mind after the first listening!
Im a really BIG Tool fan. And the first time i heard ?nima, i dident like it that much, but there were something with the album that was intresting, and i heard it again and again. No its my fav album!

But back to Brain! Even if Chinese democracy will be released in Januar or February, the new should be right around the corner... lets say that CH will be out in Januar! Then im sure we`ll know it soon, Oktober, November? And, by the way, a single often come a couple og weeks, maybe month before the albume! So dont say that the rest of 2004 will be quiet just because Brain is doing other things!

Someone said Brain was never smiling during the 2002 Tour which means that he joined just because of the money.
But Brain never smiles...

(http://iske.whitecocoa.com/buckethead/P1010007.JPG)

BH is amazing,  and I am curious to what Axl pulled out of him for the Cd sessions.

If his solos are anything like "Electric Tears" or "mOnsters and Robots" we are in for a treat....

I am a huge Tool fan, they are probably my second or third favorite band right now.  I loved Aenemia the first time I heard it.  I was hooked after 3 songs.  That BH album was so hard to listen to and so bad IMO that I have no need to listen to it twice.

Normally I listen to something a few times before it grows on me.  I had to listen to the UYi albums a few times before they really grew on me, same with Contraband.  But I usually know from the first listen whether or not that is going to happen.  I could tell from my first listen of Population Override that I wouldn't like it no matter how many times I listened to it just like I'm sure I could tell from my first listen of a Justin Timberlake CD that I wouldn't like it (if I could even bring myself to listen to it in the first place).  BH's album was mostly just improvised noise IMO.  There is nothing particularly deep about it and each song sounds like the other. 

Not sure how you can assume I don't like Tool because I don't care for BH's solo records?   ???

-TyRod-

Nah man , the only reason brain isnt smiling is because he's forced to sit onside of buckethead. He doesnt like buckethead anymore and wont be doing any more tours with him and this pic is positive proof. Buckethead isnt smiling either as you can see so they must be fighting.

 :hihi:

Without a song structure with vocals and such, Buckethead is just mood music. When he left GNR he severely limited his potential listening audience. Bad career move. Its about taking your art to the masses and turning them on to something that has not been done before.

Wow, this guy above me is hitting rain drops with his peashooter.

I don't think Bucket is worried about his career. LOL. He's doing great right now.

and with a great drummer like Brain playing on every one of his albums and tours how can he go wrong?!

Brain and Bucket are an awesome team!!