Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I dont know how many of you really care for the new guys but im keen as hell for em',
but when reading articals from ex-members saying it's not Guns N' Roses, n' call it Axl's band n' all that shit,
how do you think the current members would react to that if they read it, it might mean nothing to them but on the other hand they could take it personal i guess.

The ex-members have every right to say what they want but i think they should start to think about what the new guys would feel about it...the new guys obviously joined GNR to be in GNR, and should be givin' abit more credit, but when the album comes out, that should all change.
How many of you really dont give a shit n' see it as Axl's band or respect the fact that this is still Guns N' Roses.

I still see it as Gunners, maybe not if all origenals dropped off at once but thats not the case, this and the old line up evolved to what it is, the new guys may be getting payed but there not for hire like solo artist's.

But at one stage there were only 3 remaining origenals on stage and that was Duff, Slash n' Axl and it was still GNR, and it's Duff n' Slash that keep putting the new guys down, it's like they thought they were more GNR then what it is now, do ya know what i mean?.

So thats why i think Slash n' Duff should ease up a little on the subject, they only have it in for Axl n' should leave it at that...

just my opinion.

I agree totally with what you said about the difference being that the old guys left one by one. It's not like Axl just suddenly decided to do a solo album, bring together a new band and call it Guns N' Roses. Like he said in that interview way back in 92, GN'R is like a club where members check in and out than a band. Club/institution anyway.

That said, the new band including Axl is a unit. It's not just a backing band, they're amazingly cohesive. I guess to me Guns N' Roses is Axl and the songs. And though theres no album to compare, as far as the live shows go, I like the new band as much if not more than the Slash/Duff lineup.

The constant sniping at the new band is just lame. These guys are in their 40s, time to start acting it.

I think they just don't care.

well at least slash has just a tinny little bit of respect for axl.....when people began the 'f*ck axl rose' chant at the VR gig , slash defused it by saying ' is that really necessary ?' and now on an interview some guy said 'if axl gets his head out of his ass would you consider a reunion?'' and slash said ' dont give him such a hard time' ....

We kinda have to understand Slash when he has said its not guns n' roses...He must've felt bad when he was not allowed to see the new GNR perform in Las vegas ( I think it was las vegas) ...it's just a way to get back at axl......even if I can understand why Axl dont want to see the Ex-members..(with all that drug-alcohol related dancing with Mr.Brownstone stuff they had)


I still think the new GNR is GNR....just....NEW? ?;D GNR version 2004.

I also think the new gnr is just as much gnr as old. I don't blame them (old) for being a little pissed, but after all they left, they were not fired. And I'm sick of people saying its stupid that Axl kept the name. A lot of bands end up that way, they just happen to be one of the biggest bands trying to do it. At this level. Get over it!

What sniping? 

Can I clear something up here?

most of the old members may have dropped out over a period of say... 4 or 5 years... but that doesnt mean it evolved in that time...

GnR did shit.  They didn't rehearse, didn't record... barely wrote.   Fact is, the time from when the Illusions ended to the day Slash and Duff left... well, it could have been 1 day, or 10 years... and they still didn't do anything.  So basically, GnR did NOT evolve... it stagnated.  When all the original members left, Axl THEN got new guys in.

Remember, Duff has said he did not work with Robin or anyone else in GnR now.  Matt only very breifly did.

So since Duff left rather late in the day, when he did leave, GnR was about 4 people... 2 of which weren't originals.... and during that time, they didn't do anything.

So let's remember, this is not an evolved GnR... it's almost an entirely new band, completely seperate from the previous one.

A. VR actually put out an album they have to promote in public.

B. I agree that the new band is not really GNR.  I am not saying Axl didn't hire some great musicians, but they have no say in when they tour, when the release the album, etc.  They aren't seen in public hanging out with Axl.  They are hired musicians.

C. At least VR doesn't force the interviewiers not ask questions about the past!!!!

D. There is still no signs of Chinese Democracy, no matter what Stinson says.  To me, it sounds like he really has no clue when it will be out.

E.  Axl continues to waste precious time off his career.  It would be like Michael Jordan taking off 10 years in the prime of his career.  He has wasted so much time. 

I obviously love Axl Rose's music or I wouldn't come here every day starving for a shred of news, but that doesn't mean I am not going to bring up Axl's shortcomings.

from what Ive read in Tommy Stinsons interviews about his view on the band, it seems like he thinks of it as Axls band as well...

Of course it's Axl's band, it's GNR and he's the only original member left ... but at the same time we own some respect for the guys and give them a chance. And it may be axl's band but the new "hired or not" members did participate in the creation of chinese democracy, it's not like Axl did it by himself.

I was at the VR show in Paris yesterday, I was really into it until Scott Weiland said a "joke" about Axl ... I think Weiland is a great performer no matter what some may say but I was kinda disapointed because I was really having fun there and he brought that shit up ... I still liked the performance and the show but I would like these kind of quarrels do be forgotten in the show by both parties and in the forums ... it's so stupid, we should just appreciate the music and what they have to offer !

What I think a lot of you have forgotten (or maybe don't know?) is that Axl, Slash, Duff, Matt, Izzy, Gilby, Steven, and Dizzy all came from the metel scene in the 80's, and all the musicians from that time where part of a scene that are known to bad-mouth eachother, get into fights with eachothers and then sometimes make up, become friends again, anf maybe do something together musically.. It was the style to be,act and talk, same as the HipHop scene does now,and in the 90's, but many times it's all just part of the game, and image, and you are putting a lot more into it than I think both VR, GnR, Axl and Slash does.. I think that both Slash and Axl deep inside wants to make up and become friends again, because they had a really close relationship before, but it's about pride, and who takes the first step, witch none of them dares, because they are afraid they'd get a door closed in the face by the other one..
My suggestion for the peace negotiator would be Brian May, who is respected and loved by them both, and he respect and love them both as well. Queen had a major influence on GnR, and I think mostly everyone of the old line up has stated that the Freddy Mercury tribute was a highlight in their lives..

Just out of curiosity, what did Scott say?

Just out of curiosity, what did Scott say?

Yeah, I want to know that as well...?

Do any of you think Slash cares if he hurts Robin Finks feelings by saying it's not really Guns N' Roses? He's just speaking his mind, and in his mind it's not "really" Guns N' Roses. Sure they happen to have the same name, and they do tend to play alot of songs that Slash played on but, it's not really GnR. Thats like if in 1972 John Lennon decided to hire Larry, Darryl, and Darryl and called them the Beatles. Sure it would be the same name, but not quite the same Fab Four. Would Paul be wrong saying it wasn't the Beatles it was just John's band??

Of course this is where the other question comes up: "Why is he talking about Axl so much?"

Answer: Because he is asked about it, see Slash released an album and is touring which tends to attract press. For those of you who don't understand the concept of Press, they go after stories of interest. The relationship (or lack there of) with Axl is sort of interesting. So reporters Ask questions about the interesting topic. You'll see this with Axl if he ever does anything that attracts press like release Chinese Democracy. He will be asked questions about his "other freinds" and he will answer. He sure didn't seem to embaressed to talk about his other freinds in the short amount of time he left his Hermits Retreat in Malibu to tour.  There was the story about Izzy's drinking and Drug use, there was the comment about Slash being in his ass, there was the speech about his other freinds trying to hold him down and make sure he couldn't make his comeback (still waiting for that comeback Axl....).

Lastly if Robin Tommy or Richard can't stand to be talked about and there self esteem is that low where Slash's comments actually get to them, then this ought to be a long smooth road with Axl for these guys..............

Personally I just think Slash and Duff take a lot of cheap shots. It splits their fanbase, and it seems to me it's time to have a little dignity and just let Axl do his thing while they do the VR thing. This would also work to their benefit in that they could talk a little more about VR instead of constantly drudging up old GN'R shit from years ago.

Everyones aware that Slash & Duff disapprove of the new lineup. Tough titty. They should have stayed if they wanted their opinion on the band's future to count for shit. Lets move on.

I agree with all your points.

I don't view Axl's project as GNR is any way really.  Too much is too different to call this lineup GNR.  I am still anxious to hear what 8 years of working on an album will sound like, but it really isn't GNR.  The only reason anyone here calls them GNR is because of a legal contract that Duff and Slash were forced to sign by a cry-baby pre-madonna that threatened to quit if they didn't.  That is not reason enough for me to consider them GNR.  This is Axl's solo project and that is that.  Some of the reasons why this isn't GNR include:

1.  There are no original members left (besides Axl).

2.  It would appear that even the original "fuck you" GNR attitude is gone.

3.  New musicians (you can't really call them members because they don't act like a band in any way) come from way different backgrounds and musical influences that GNR.

4.   If the rumors are true, there could be up to 7 or 8 orchestration numbers on CD (yuck!)

5.   Even Axl's trademark hair is gone.

You all have the right to consider this GNR because Axl tells you it is.  He has some people here completely brainwashed anyway.  But remember that the only reason he has the right to call it GNR is because he pulled his cry-baby pre-madonna act and forced Duff and Slash to sign that contract thing before a show or he was gonna take his microphone and go home.  Duff and Slash has the class and consideration of the fans in mind and the fact that they wanted the show to go on when they agreed to sign that thing.  Axl was only considering himself.

It's Axl's solo project in my mind.  I am very anxious to hear Axl's solo record when it hits stores...I mean when I download it off IRC 10 days before it hits stores.

-TyRod-

It's G'n'R because thats the name they used to tour with. Isn't this thread getting off topic and becoming a dead horse discussion?

Something like GNR was in the grave and that tonight there's no redhead guest but Izzy Stradlin' ... Keep in mind these are not the exact words I wasn't there with a pen ;) I don't actually care, I loved the show, all I'm saying is that it doesn't help the fans  ;)

Axl FORCED them to sign a contract. Cool! I wonder if he can force them to write me a check for a couple of mil. They could have said no. They would ultimately leave the band anyway. So he wouldn't have gone onstage that night. Big deal, in the context of GN'R. One more cancelled gig. Whoop-de-doo. From all the reports I've heard, Slash and Duff were too stoned and drunk to know what the fuck they were doing.

Even Axl's trademark hair is gone?! Trademark hair?! Are you kidding me? If the guy changes his hairstyle for the first time since 1987, it's somehow losing part of the GN'R legend?

Well he threatned them with that he would not go on stage.. Maybe they used alcohol, or drug, but I think they signed it because they diden't want to let down the 30000 fans who had showed up, and maybe they were fearing a riot like the ones that had happened before.. All Slash has ever cared about is to play rock n roll, what's so fucking wrong with that ??

Nothing wrong with it at all. I'm glad he does it, he's great at it. But just leave the new band alone and let Axl get on with his life. And that goes for Axl with Slash too. Stop splitting the fans.

Hear! Hear! fixintodie,? :beer:

Hear. This topic is not about Axl vs. ex gunners.

If you?re referring the same article, I didn?t read it that way.
I thought he was trying to be humble about his status to ease certain fans feelings n to show respect for his predecessors. He said that after he met Duff?
And music in new release is 8 men?s baby. (Excuse?barf to my wording.)

There might be some Traci calling AFD lineups as no-original. I don't know.

Anyway, Say whatever they want.? It shows all their magnanimity.

1) If a fan is so weak-minded that they rely on comments from either party to form an opinion, that fan is an idiot...and its hardly the responsibility of either Slash or Axl to bite their tounges to accomodate such a person.

2) What has Slash said about the new band that you find so harsh?  When asked, he states his opinion that its not really Guns N' Roses.  Im going to be so bold to say hes in the majority on that one...and being Slash, I think his opinion on the subject is an informed and valid one.  Axl himself said that he didnt believe his post-Slash line-up was really GNR.  Its hardly a personal slight to any of the new members...

3) The notion that Slashs comments are preventing Axl from "getting on with life" is preposterous...

If I spent years of my life working on something I cared about like Slash or Duff, watched it build up from nothing really to something THAT huge I would care alot about it. Imagine having a kid, raising it, then when it's around 18 someone else says "I think I am that kids dad now. It wasn't my seed and I didn't do anything to raise it but it's mine anyway". Isn't "dad" just a title? Sure, but it would still annoy me. Especially if other peopke went along with it. So I don't see it as just a name and that they shouldn't care. And if I was them I sure as hell wouldn't give a flying fuck about upsetting any of the new guys who, lets face it, havn't done anything to earn the right of that name. And to prevent posts concerning anything they have done before or during their tenure with guns that is not what I am referring to.

If Axl hired me to play cazoo would I be a memeber of GNR?

On top of that, these guys didn't even like GNR.

Axl: So you guys wanna join my band and help me create my vision?

One of the others: Uh, none of us liked GNR before, Axl...



No wonder people said that they looked bored on the old songs(most of the set). They hate the shit.

That's why Tommy sounds like an outsider when he speaks about what he has no clue about(band stuff)

And another thing; can you picture Fortus or stinson refer to GNR in an interview or appearance as "My band". Don't think so.

Maybe if you never liked GNR and did some session work with other artists.

So he should've asked fans and people in tribute bands to join instead of people who he thought could create the music he wanted to create? People who could play the old songs note for note every night and maybe even look like the ex-members?

 ::)

I suspect that the issue was never about getting guys just to play the old material.....



/jarmo

But when you are the one who walked out you shouldn?t blame the new dad for trying to be a dad.
Lets wait and see if you like new dads when mum is ready. (:puke: again)


 :D Really? When?

I just always found it surprising as a FAN, and a loyal one at that, that none of them liked the other stuff. Not even one of 'em. And not even indifferent to it, but flat out not like it.


I agree. This also goes to show that since the other meambers contribute so heavily to the songwriting process (such as Tommy who doesn't even recognize music he laboured on) that the music is going to sound very different from what many expect from GNR, and maybe loved, and what made them fans in the first place.

And I'm not saying that therefore it'll be bad, we'll have to wait and see on that one

here is my main point, Tommy,Robin,Chris Pittman even Buckethead may not be GNR in the sense of Appetite GNR, but what everybody is forgetting is Axl isnt even GNR in the appetite sense anymore


A new music, a new sound is forthcoming that will probably be totally different from what Guns was, so the new players are absolutely perfect for the sound axl is goin after now. Axl isnt tryin to recreate Appetite or the old GNR wouldnt have broke up

after hearing Contraband i have no doubts in my mind that SLash and co. wanted to take a step back and do AFD pt 2. whereas Axl wanted to evolve even further past the Illusion stuff, being more of an Use Your Illusion fan than appetite fan im glad Axl has moved on and instead of giving us the same ole same ole like VR basically have, he is attempting to do something new which i respect!

I want to tell all you guys something that I found out a while ago.  I have yet to say anything because you guys probably wouldn't believe me and I didn't want to waste my time.  And, it's not coming from me, so I'm not 100%positive it is true.  However, it does come from a friend who I believe.  The reason I put it on this thread is because there is an interesting part in my story about ex-members, and that is basically what this thread is about. 

I met a friend over this summer who works for United Airlines out of Seattle, however she flies all over.  It only took a couple of minutes when I first met her until she knew I was a big GNR fan.  Well, about 1 month after we met she comes to me one day and says "you will never believe who I ran into".  I'm joking around and say Axl Rose because that is the only person who I really wouldn't believe she would have met.  She says "Yeah", and I'm like  :o.  So I start drilling her all sorts of questions.  She said that when she was flying from NewYork to Los Angeles, he was flying first class on her flight.  She mentioned how most famous people buy the seet next to them so that nobody bothers them.  Well Axl didn't and was actually really friendly and talkative to his neighbor.  She was not working in his area on the plane but did say that she went up to him and introduced yourself and asked a few questions.  What you all must know though is that she isn't a very big GNR fan, so some of her questions to him, I just laughed.  One of her first questions was if he wrote Sweet Child O'Mine because that was her favorite song.  She then asked where the rest of the band was and he responded by saying that they were off doing there solo stuff.  She then goes "do you guys still play a lot of your old songs in concert", and he said something along the lines like "do you know that were not together anymore".  He could obviously tell that she knew nothing about the band and thought the original lineup was still there.  She admitted that she had no idea, and thats when she asked an interesting question.  ""Do you think that you guys will ever get back together" and he said "absolutely not".  So this probably answers some of your questions on the old band.   

By now, I was saying how I would have loved to been working on that flight because I could have asked him so many questions.  I said how I would have asked about the new cd that is supposedly coming out, and she told me that she did here Axl talking to the guy next to him about a cd "towards the end of the year".  This is nothing we haven't already heard before though.

Also she told me that his hair was very long.  I asked if it was braided and she said no.

The two things I found most interesting about this story was his "absolutely not" comment, and the fact that his hair wasn't braided.  I also like hearing stories about him being a really nice guy, because your always hearing about how much of a prick he is.   

Believe what you want

peace             

When Steven was fired it was a disaster! I wasn't far from crying about it. Then when Izzy left it was, at least for me, all over concerning original GNR. I mean replace Izzy with someone like Gilby? What a hired gun he was, never a member.
Guns was so much more back then. Yes it was the music but you looked at them and thought this guys are really close friends and that was so cool and I wished me and my friends would stay loyal to each other and be friends forever. I admired the way they stood up for eachother. Like Axl's rant about Steven hitting someone with his cast or Axl wanting to beat up Vince Neil for punching Izzy. Sure they were acting like kids. But I was a kid and I just loved their attitude on and off stage. They grew up and tore eachother apart in public. I grew up (???) and who the fuck do I know and stick up for from back then? Sure theres a few I get on with but...Different lives now. It's not cool with even a one-off reunion if they hate eachother. It's supposed to be GNR against the world not at eachothers throats so Slash and Duff should stop with sueing Axl or shut up about whats original or not...my opinion

axl stuffs period

Are you sure none of them liked GN'R? Just because they say they weren't fans, doesn't mean they don't like any of the old songs.



/jarmo

And my opinion too.
 
Thank you for sharing, peeps. Although I don't think that is what this thread is basically about.
There?s nothing untrustworthy in your friend's story.? And I'm glad to hear those comments:

 :D 1)"absolutely not"                               -Yay! Never look back.
 :D 2) a cd "towards the end of the year" -that's what we're dying to hear!
 :o 3) his hair was long and not braided.   -interesting isnay?

Can't this new-GNR old-GNR nonsense stop?  The "real" GNR ended when the "Guns" in "Guns N' Roses" (Tracii Guns) left. If the "Axl's freakshow" theories were correct,the AFD band should have been called "Slash N' Roses"!!!   But it wasn't,so...

It was more of promoting VR and not having it be a gnr thing. SO that weiland doesnt throw mega phones. Not that he was being a nice guy.

Same could be said about old gnr. Isnt that why they left? Because Axl wanted to do things his way. Did you not think it was gnr back in the day because of that? We all know Axl controls the vision/business side of gnr. Musically its a full fledged band effort. Case closed.

Weiland does.
And why is that such a bad thing? Slash should do the same and request not to talk about Axl. It will take away all the problems. Axl doesnt want to talk about the past. Whats wrong with that?

Taht ended right after AFD.

In case you havnt known. All of these members are basically connected with each other. Most of them are and have been friends prior to gnr.

What does that have to do with GNR breakup? Listen to what was said on the BTM about why Axl had them sign it.

And they didnt have to sign it. All of a suddent hey are "badass" and say o we just did it so there were no bumps in the road now. They should have simply not signed it and let gnr end right there. Then Axl would have either came back or he would be the one who killed gnr right at the pinnacle of their career.

Well, actually Robin used to be a GN'R fan, I think he even went to a few GN'R shows back in the day.

Shows how much you know,

Ok, so prove he was a GNR fan or liked some songs at one point.

Show what you know...

Why should the ex-Gunners worry about the new members' feelings? They aren't putting them down in any way. They are not insulting their musical skills or downplaying any possible contributions they made to Chinese Democracy.

When they say these new guys aren't Guns N Roses they are saying Guns N Roses was more than a name. It was the sum of it's parts. 4/5 of those parts are going so how can it be Guns N Roses?

When I think of Guns N Roses I think of the band that wrote and performed Appetite. I even think of the Illusion era band. I just do not think of a watered down version that hasn't accomplished a thing.

Guns N Roses is just a brand name now. If the music is different and the members are different why keep the name? To sell albums, of course.

" In November of 1987, Finck reportedly attended a concert with Motley Crue as the headlining group. The opening group just so happened to be, Guns N' Roses. Later in life, this moment would prove to be somewhat ironic."

http://robinfinck.net/bio.htm


I used to have a few other quotes but I can't find them, I apologise.

The arguments and opinions you have are very simplistic and black and white..

Fortus did like some guns songs.....


Q: Were you a Guns N' Roses fan?

A: No, I didn't grow up a Guns N' Roses fan, really. I was sort of like a punk-rock kid, and they were one of those bands that was kind of marginal. You know: They had long hair. Certainly, "Welcome to the Jungle" is a pretty undeniable song, and I loved "It's So Easy," too, because that's right up my alley, fitting right in with bands like the New York Dolls, MC5 and the Stooges. But Guns N' Roses were so L.A., and I was a NYC kid. So it wasn't until much later that I really got into the band.

http://www.newgnr.com/articles/112102fortus.html

Unfortunatley, robin reportedly attending a Motley show doesn't mean anything.He probably didn't go for GNR or even know who they were.


You're forgiven :)
If you find anything more concrete, put it up


Didn't grow up a fan.
He was into a different scene. They didn't look appealing to him.
"Loved" it's so easy, 'cause it was the closest thing to his "punk rock" shtick...

Just how much later did he get into them? When he joined the band?

These are all grown men that your talking about, why should they have to censor themselves or not give their opinion - or their side of the story when asked a question??

It doesn't effect me or my opinion either way, why should it? It's not like WWF or something where you take sides and route for your guy. This is music there are no "sides".  It must take alot of energy to feel like you have to take a side.  And feel annoyed by what is said by some. Fuck that. I'm not 14 anymore.   


 Slash said this, Axl said that, Scott did this... I couldn't careless.  I just want to see them using their talents making records and performing Gigs. I mean to me the GN'R i got into was the one onstage in 1992 Paris and i suppose that sense of what GN'R is depends on when you got into them.  Someone swiped at Gilby but man to me he was cool, he seemed really into it and "Pawn shop guitars" shows what he could have added creatively - he was having a great time.

Someone mentioned Tracii Guns era - now i find it hard to imagine people were really that into the band that far back,fair enough though - if true. 

But the real true GN'R is that which made "Appetite.." NOONE can argue that fact. Because we wouldn't be here talking about them and they wouldn't have careers if it wasn't for that masterpiece of an album.

The new GN'R are and will be fantastic. But it's not their band. They at this moment in time and maybe for aslong as they do it, are filling other people's shoes.  Music is a passion man you can't replace Brian May and call it Queen and you can't get rid of Page and call it Led Zepplin and just expect people to accept it. You then have to deliver something which is up there or even better than what was before.   And i do believe Axl can do it but he needs to do it soon.

The old guys are probably still a little bitter and maybe even pissed even after all this time of the way things deteriorated with Axl and their once great band. Personally I think they just need to get the fuck over the past but it probably is hard because GnR was once there baby for lack of better words and believe that Axl is burning a once glorious past into the ground. I think its Guns N' Roses and i dont have any probably accepeting it. This is a band, not just Axl.

If i'm not mistaken.. Didnt Axl and Robin hangout back when NIN opened for GNR, some time between 91 & 93???

Did everybody miss this? ???

I hang out with friends who like hip hop and even some who make that music.
I am not a fan of the music, in general.
I hang out with them.

Robin was me when he hung with Axl, if he did.



Topicwise, the ex-members don't put the new members down, ability-wise, or whatever. But if I were Matt, or Steven for that matter, I'd make fun of Brain's YCBM intro :hihi:

The only time it was horrible was at Rio...But i'm sure all the sound difficulties during the song were his fault...

That performance was a very dark moment in GnR history. I still cant sit through that performance of YCBM. The drum intro and even Axl's singing just flat out sucked.

the old guys are intitled to their own opinion if they want to talk about the new incarnation of gnr thats their right, this is still america, land of the free, if axl dont want to talk about past again thats his decision, 

well...thanx for your opinion's, i was gonna reply here n' there but you all know where i stand : ok:
i was gonna try n' dig up some of the new band interviews but ya's beat me!!!

Although i do remember a Slash interview i think not to long after his departure, i beleive he said
good luck to them (GNR) and "i think the world always needs a Guns N' Roses", does anyone know of this,
i just think he didnt think it would happen :hihi:.

i only have MSG 02' bootleg, but when Robin does his first solo, you can hear some real fuck wits in the crowd givin' him shit, YOU FUCKING FREAK, DID YOUR MOTHER DISONE YOU (i think thats what the guy said), really fucked.
But i think you can agree that Finck shits on Sweet Child solo and plays it 10 times better, the crowd go fucking nuts for him at the end, i replay it everytime man. : ok:

But at the end of the song, can you hear the crowd?...

GUNS - N' - ROSES
GUNS - N' - ROSES
they are convinced this band has what it takes!! : ok: :yes:
i bet it would have been a great feeling for the new guys!!!!

THIS is where people like you fall down .... YOU and YOUR type seem to think Guns N' Roses is a name only.  But the name Guns N' Roses doesn't represent just a couple of words, or even the fact that it's from LA Guns and Hollywood Rose... it represents a band... a rock band... who in the late 80's and early 90's, ripped up the music scene and tore it to shreds.

That band is gone.

The fact that Axl has a new band called Guns N' Roses does NOT make it Guns N' Roses.  I can buy an  old band trademark and call my band that name... doesn't mean my band is that old band.

But regardless how much people like you bitch you can't go backwards. G'n'R are as they exist now, not in '88 so get over it you either like them or not, if you don't PISS OFF!! is that G'n'R enough for ya? ANd another question, When Axl didn't let slash in to watch the Vegas show and Threw a guy out for wearing a Slash T-Shirt it was cool and SOOOO Axl but if Weiland gets pissed off for hearing AXL shants while singing, he's a dick? Get over it I'd get pissed off too, If you go to a show go because you are gonna have fun not ruin the experience for the rest of the people cause you can't get outta the fuckin past!! The same shit happen when I saw G'n'R in Toronto, Canada. Some asshole was yelling, "Buckethead you suck, You're no Slash!" Why buy a fucking ticket and come then, Dickface, if you aren't interested in the music? Sit down shut the fuck up and listen to the tunes.

Just a little rant from me ;D

"DO you know where the fuck you ARRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!"

Its still GNR.

Axl is  the main songwriter and frontman.

And it is a band, not just Axl`s solo album. Apparently one of the many reasons for the delay of CD is that everyone has a hand in the writing process.

I am looking forward to the new stuff more than I did waiting for the Illusion albums many years ago.

Robin wasn't in NIN when they opened for GN'R

Man,that was so deep,it gave me goosebumps.OH GIVE ME A FUCKIN BREAK!!!!!  When you hear CD and you honestly feel that it doesn't even compare to the old albums,then you can say:"Axl trashed the name Guns N' Roses". But until then,have a little respect for the man and don't give me that sentimental bullshit!

I'd have to say that taking so long to release an album is definitely a "fuck you" GNR attitude. :yes:

Uhh....... ???


No, you wouldn't. :no:


You'd be a 'Hired-Cazoo-Gunner' :confused: :rofl:

I think that we all have to wait for the album, and let it speak for it self.. If it's great and spectacular, we'll all understand why it have taken so long, and what the fuzz was about..But if it's just a normal avarage album, or if it sucks..Axl will have a real hard time doing something in the music industry. After all, it's what you deliver that counts.

Tell that to the people of Vancouver and Philadelphia.

Not releasing an album when you're "supposed to", isn't that a big "fuck you" to many people?

How do you want it? Some of you want explanations for everything and some of you want GN'R to be this bad ass rock n' roll band. You can't have both.....
 




So is Duff's "trademark" alcohol problems. People change.....




/jarmo

Yeah, but Duff's was blatantly for the better....

Axl's blatantly wasn't

:D

You can justify it any way you want.? But this is in no way Guns N' Roses except by name only.? This band is, at best, a GNR cover band that is full of nothing more than hired musicians that do not act like a "band" in any way.? When was the last time we even saw a picture of these people in the same room?? I'll tell you when, it was December 5, 2002.? When was the last time this so-called band released some new original material.? Never.? Based on what we have heard so far from bootlegs, the new material thay do have will in no way be related to or anywhere close to the old material in style or content.

If you believe this is GNR then you are delusional.? This is Axl's solo project, period.? Like I said before, he has the luxury of calling it GNR because he pulled that faggoty cry-baby act in the early ninties.? "Sign the name over to me or I'm quitting.? Waaaaaaaaaaa-waaaaaaaaaa."? And Slash and Duff had the decency and concern for the 60,000 fans waiting to see GNR in mind when they signed that thing.

Does Axl's pre-maddona antics in the early nintes mean that what he has created now in the mid 2000s is GNR?? No way.

-TyRod-

or Slash and Duff were just plain ignorant and spineless! : ok:

No slash and duff were on about a million different substances and they didnt know what the fuck they were doing.


And yeah THIS IS GUNS N ROSES. Just because slash and duff aare not in the band anymore does not mean it isnt guns. They were the ones that left, so they got replaced. Whats the problem with that?

Guns N' Roses just played in Barcelona Spain: Slash, Duff, Izzy, and Matt.  That is more "GNR" than Axl and the hired help.

Robin's guitar solos don't compare with Slash's, unless he is playing riffs and solos that Slash invented! 

Yea, I'm sure that's it.   ::)  What do you think is more likely?  My money is on Axl being an asshole.  And we only have about a million examples of that.  Show me one example of Duff and Slash being spineless and ignorant.

Philly is absolutely right.  Th real GNR played in Barcelona the other night.

I really can't see how anyone can consider Axl Rose and 5 or 6 hired musician to be GNR.  If you are a true GNR fan, if you love AFD and the UYI albums as much as I do, then the idea of this compilation of musician being called GNR is just fucking sacrilege.   I saw them in Boston in December 2002.  They are a fine group of musicians and the concert rocked, but they are not in any way GNR.

Somebody tell me why this group is GNR.  And please don't say "because Axl has the legal rights to the name".  Give me one good reason otherwise why you think this is GNR.  You can't because this just isn't GNR except by legal name only. 

-TyRod-

I don't give a fuck if it's Gnr or not. Axl simply made a demand and they were bullied in to making a decision they regret. Slash has said he regrets it on multiple occasions. They were ignorant and spineless because they did not tell him to fuck off. Do you think Axl really would have given up all those touring dollars over the issue at the time? No. They were simply too stupid or too out of it to negotiate and play hard ball back at him. Tyrod, you really need to get over these petty, negative comments ALL the time. If you want to make a statement then don't buy Chinese IF it ever comes out. :rant: :rant:

If thats your point, then the legality of the contract could be fought. (they would have to somehow prove the were under the influence though)


It's Guns N' Roses in name only........
Axl Rose is not Guns N' Roses
Slash is not Guns N' Roses

Guns N' Roses was that core of people, It's not Menudo were you can keep rotating new members when they get to old, or a Broadway show that changes the cast every year.

I just can't wrap my head around the argument that Axl and 5 replacements (RIR3) are more GnR than Slash, Duff, Matt, (and for the last week) Izzy....with two replacements (RIR2 lineup without Axl). I accept the fact that Axl owns the name and could use it for a troop of traveling midgets and cripples, but I just don't see how people can say that this lineup is anything more than GnR by name only


Threads like these are why we need Chinese Democracy to talk about. A thread could get started about how Welcome to the Jungle was played 21 times at the Patriots v. Colts game last night, and it would degenerate into how the new lineup isn't Guns N' Roses

I'm not sure I'm gonna buy it yet.  I'll d/l it like 7-10 days before it is released and then make a decision on whether or not I want to own an offical copy.  I did that with VR's album too .... actutally I do that before I buy any album.  I liked their work so much after listening to the d/led version that I decided to buy the album when it was officially released.  IF CD is good, I'll buy it ... if it sucks or is bloated with a bunch of songs like Maddy, I'll just listen to my free copy.

And I am not trying to make some sort of statement of anything.  I'm just telling you all that IMO this is in no way GNR.   I have stated why I think it isn't GNR and asked you to tell me why you think it is without resorting to the foolish "because Axl legally owns the name" excuse.  I am still waiting to hear why anyone thinks this is GNR.

-TyRod-

I don't think it is Gnr....certainly not without an officially released product. But, Gnr of old is dead to me and I don't want it resurrected. This is a new band and a very talented band. I really don't care what it is called. :-\

Tyrod Tulip, I agree with you on a lot of your points,In fact, you could call Steven Adler's band GnR as well, because it contains one original GnR member, and they are mostly doing the songs from AFD, just as new-GnR are doin'...   ;)
But nobody's doin that are they? Ok, drummers don't get the attention that frontmans like the lead singer or lead guitar player do, but, if it weren't for Steven: No GnR, if it weren't for Duff: No GnR, If it weren't for Slash, Axl or Izzy: No GnR !
As they all have said: GnR and AFD could not have been, except with exactly those members..

That's an asshole way to do things!! and anyone else who does the same thing is an asshole too.  "Ill listen to my free copy." ever think that's why Axl is so tight lipped?! If you wanna hear it buy the fucking thing! Do you support Axl or not? I mean it is taking so fucking long for CD to come out and now you don't wanna buy it in case its not good? come on I bet you like everything else in the world Axl has sung on don't you? Well support Axl then, buy a $15 cd ya cheap fuck! if you don't like it sell it on ebay or whatever. It's probably shit like downloading and rumors why Axl doesn't like the internet. And how can you beat the first impression of listening to a new CD?


It's guns'n'roses more now cause they don't have Backgroud fucking singers anymore!!!!  Other than that there is no other excuse but "Axl owns the name" he has legal rights to it and wants to do shit under the Guns and Roses name! Velvet Revolver is not Guns and Roses they are Velvet Revolver with Izzy as a guest (lately). and Matt is not original Guns either! It hasn't been the original lineup in going on 15 years!! The original guns is over and has been for quite some time. Get over it, love it or leave it.

You are not making any sense here.  You ask if I am supporting Axl or not.  Well the answer is "if the material is good".  I do not support him for the sake of supporting him.  And based on the way he has gone about this whole comeback thing, I have no real reason to support him unless the product is good.  If he had kept the original lineup together I would definately have supported them based on their past catelogue.  I have no reason whatsoever to support anything he has done since 1992 (except that I really liked OMG).

Tell me this.  If I have the option to d/l an album and listen to it first before wasting my money on it, then why would I waste my hard earned money on it before knowing if it is any good?  We are talking about pure common sense here.  I wouldn't waste $15 on 18 tracks on Maddy-like songs.  So if CD is over-produced or bloated, I will have saved myself $15 by d/ling it first.  Sounds like good common sense to me.   :-\

-TyRod-

Now now... you'll get banned for stuff like that ;)  ;D

Yeah except if everyone downloads a free copy then record industry doesn't make any money and then artists get no money then no albums are released then thats fucking it. Why do you think concert tickets are so expensive. no one buys cd's anymore cause they can d/l it. I say if you are a fan buy it, don't download it. all I can say is that I've waited 10 long fucking years for my favorite band (well singer) to release an album and I'm gonna buy it if all it is is Axl singing fucking nursery rhymes. If it sucks hey then Axl has to get into my good graces again if it rules then ITS GONNA FUCKIN ROCK!!!! : ok:

how much other g'n'r shit do you have? how much is not official? (g'n'r got no royalties from it) how many things g'n'r did you spend more than $15-18 on? do you have Welcome to the videos and japan show on vhs and dvd? that could've saved you hard earned cash, do you have all the albums and the greatest hits? more cash saved.

GN'R was five guys playing in clubs in Los Angeles in the mid-80s, then GN'R evolved into the biggest rock band on the planet with a new drummer and a keyboard player, then it evolved into a band featuring a bunch of guys with only Axl as the only reamining original member left.

There's your explanantion on why it is still GN'R. The most well known guy is still in the band......

This has turned into a typical Dead Horse topic about how it's not GN'R..... Surprising.



/jarmo

Jarmo, that is not an explanation for why this is GNR.  No one has given a good reason why we should consider this group GNR.  They are not GNR.  And then you go and move an active conversation to the least visited section of the forum before anyon has the chance to give me a good reason.  Thanks.   :-\

It's what actually happened. If you have a problem accepting it, I can't help you.

The others left the band, Axl didn't want to end it. It's really not that hard to understand.

You just don't want to accept it.



/jarmo

Very true, I don't want to accept this group as GNR.  That is right.  I would have no problem accepting them under another name, but the name GNR stands for something different than this group of fine musicians.  GNR stands for something that has already been and it stands for soemthing that intangible really.  This group has almost nothing to do with that (except one guy).  I think nuGNR has a chance to be just as good as the old one (hell that is why we are all here), but I cannot accept them using the old name.

-TyRod-

Ummmm fuck yeah!! of course Slash n' Duff and the originals are more GN'R than these new guys. They were the ones who co-wrote all those kick ass songz and #1 hits. When you take away 1 original member it really isn't really "THE BAND" anymore, it's something else. I'm happy that the ex-gunners are still alive, well and making awesome music in VELVET REVOLVER.