Here Today... Gone To Hell!

U smokers should be hung from the nearest lamp-post.

Kill urself by all means - but its outrageous u can get away with killing the rest of us through passive smoking, it makes me livid - to say smokers are selfish is not nearly going far enough

rant over.

This morning on the way to work I saw this lady smoking in her car with her kids, windows closed. Now that's just wrong wrong wrong.

It's a scientific fact that a cigarette makes your beer taste better and vice-versa

As far as im concerned most non-smokers just don't 'get it' and have nothing better to do than complain.

I used to smoke. I apologize for smoking around people who did not.

We know 100% that it can kill you. We also know that second hand smoke kills people.

Cry all you want about not being able to smoke. But where is the logic?

Smoke if you want, but don't get upset because other people don't want to smell/breathe your crap (that will kill them down the road) too.

Seriously, not all smokers are that bad. i would never smoke if I was near, or in the same room as a non-smoker, apart from a pub.

What I don't get is the shitty attitudes we get. You fuckers drive around in fucking jeeps and shit, and then complain about us guys. Blow it out your fucking bellend, you hypocrites.

That i do agree with not only do i think it's wrong to allow your children to inhale your smoke but it's also setting a bad example.? I have always said that i will quit if and when i become a dad.

Seriously, not all smokers are that bad. i would never smoke if I was near, or in the same room as a non-smoker, apart from a pub.

What I don't get is the shitty attitudes we get. You fuckers drive around in fucking jeeps and shit, and then complain about us guys. Blow it out your fucking bellend, you hypocrites.

Er...i don't even have a car

And....don't smokers with cars polute the same as a non smokers with cars? I don't even begin to get ur point

U smokers should be hung from the nearest lamp-post.

Kill urself by all means - but its outrageous u can get away with killing the rest of us through passive smoking, it makes me livid - to say smokers are selfish is not nearly going far enough

rant over.

but what about the non-smokers? they work their ass off covering them...]

Yeah, that's also the smokers fault. Why don't you complain to your management, genious.

at my job most of the non-smokers hang out with us while we smoke. Not to mention I have been prmotoed tywice this year at my job...so all of us smokers are not exactly slacking off.

it takes a REAL genious to misspell GENIUS....

It doesn't even smell bad and a little smoke never hurt anybody...get back in your bubbles.

it takes a REAL genious to misspell GENIUS....

and maybe we arent working our asses of, but still the workers do have an "apology" for taking that brake, even if it isnt time for brake...

The only question I have for you is in what bubble are you living?? Cigarette smoke smells like shit and and it harms everybody.? I think your statements perfectly reflect the level of logical defense a smoker can offer: NONE.

And in turn, you misspelled "punctuation".? ?: ok:

the number of people with asthma in the uk is over 3 million...and its impossible to know if the person you are next to has asthma, but there is a 1 in 20 chance that he/she is...then we have bronchitis, cancer, lung disease and numerous other conditions that are affected...im not surprised that many smokers are selfish...

Now, I think it's dumb to smoke normal cigarettes anyway, but when you already have asthma...

Exactly.

The same people who moan about smoking, cause damage to the enviorment and people around them in their own way, yet they don't give a shit. Smokers are being banned from doing what they choose, which is fair enough, and not many of us complain, but it still does not stop the moaning from non-smokers. Like seriously, you hate it, big fucking deal, quit throwing your dummy out of the pram, grow the fuck up, and stop fucking whinging. YOU ARE GETTING YOUR OWN WAY, BE HAPPY.

Smokers aren't just an inconvenience or an annoyance - they are a certified threat to the health of others

Because the smoker is too stupid to realise he is killing himself doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer.

Dude, your attitude is disappointing. Smoking is addictive. I do not have the willpower or infact the want to quit. I do realise I'm killing myself, but I cannot quit, and I don't really want to.

My attitude is dissapointing? Ur a seemingly intelliegent person who admits to killing himself and not caring......damn

U don't want to quit? Fair enough if spending a fortune on something u burn, slowly killing urself and smelling awful appeals to u then....go for it

Infact, the only public place you are guarenteed a smoke now is the pub.

my other scientific fact about beer making a cigarette taste better and vice-versa is a fact though

A friend of mine said he would rather die at 50 and smoke the rest of his life than never smoke again and die at 80.

you don't get the enjoyment we do so you cannot see things our way

I've always said unless you try something or experience something you can never trully understand it.

and before any wise ass even thinks about it don't bother using the 'I don't need to put my hand in the fire to know i'll get burned' phrase, my mum has really pissed me off with that over the years.

Really?? In what encyclopedia can I find this 'fact'?? ?:P


That just goes to show how much you smokers don't get it.? Dying is the LEAST of your worries.? You will be LUCKY if all smoking does is kill you.

Ask your happy ass friend if he'll be just as content at age 50 when he's breathing through a hole in his throat because he had cancerous tumors removed.? Or ask him if he'll be happy at age 50 when he has to sleep hooked up to a respiration machine because portions of his lungs had to be removed.? Or take the case of a guy I once knew: at the age of 24, he had to have his gums removed due to cancer from smoking.? Yes, you read that right, 24 years old, having his gums removed.? And how about my former next door neighbor: a single mother of four, dead at the age of 48 due to lung cancer.? And guess what, it didn't kill her quickly.? She had to suffer through an agonizing 18 months of chemotherapy first.? She left four children behind with no parents because she "enjoyed" smoking.

So go ahead, fella.? "Enjoy" smoking.? Because it feasibly won't just kill you, it'll kill you slowly and excrutiatingly painfully.? And we'll see if you're singing that "happy" tune when your hair is falling out and your skin is turning green while you're undergoing chemotherapy treatment.


I'm glad you said that, because it provides a perfect avenue for refutation....

Smokers like you can't see things our way because your "enjoyment" of smoking clouds your judgment just as much as filthy cigarette smoke clouds a room.? As long as you're enjoying it, you'll keep justifying a smoker's alleged "right" to pollute the environment of a non-smoker.? And because you'll undoubtedly ignore all of what I just told you, you won't ever understand the true enjoyment of breathing clean air and having healthy lungs.


Nooooo, of course not!? Unless I actually try polluting my lungs, mouth, and numerous other places, I can never understand how stupid it is!? ? ::)? I guess I should go start huffing paint thinner and inhaling car exhaust so that I fully understand that.? ?:P


Your mum is a wise woman.? Tell her I said so.

All you non-smokers that complain all the time about smoke not being healthy and polluting the atmosphere,please do a little experiment:

Go into a garrage with 10 smokers and have them smoke non-stop for one hour,You will come out of there with smelly clothes,a bad taste in your mouth and teary eyes.

Then,drive into a garrage and leave the engine running for an hour.You come out of there in a plastic bag.

Oh and another thing: Why the fuck can't people smoke in open-air Football stadiums????

Nicotine is addictive, and if the gov't dont want people smoking in public and what not they should make nicotine gum and patches cheaper. What smoker is gonna pay the price of 2-3 cartons for a pack of gum.

Dan, I don't get your argument at all.? I don't even necessarily disagree with you, but what's your point?? Most people don't sit around inhaling carbon monoxide all day, or go to bars where carbon monoxide is constantly floating around them.

I think CowBell has a great point, and I don't even think cigarette smoking is that bad as far as second hand smoke, but come on.... the car pollution argument is hardly relevant.

I am a smoker and I get irritated by the fact that in the ny/nj area we can't smoke anywhere anymore. I don't know if our friends overseas on this board share this problem but it's a heavy annoyance over here.

Out of curiosity, how many of you smokers would continue to smoke if someone nearby asked you to stop?

Out of curiosity, how many of you smokers would continue to smoke if someone nearby asked you to stop?

Like I already said, I don't really see the massive problem with it.? As someone pointed out earlier, there are much bigger environmental problems which are probably more hazardous to your health, than smoking.

Weird...whenever i ask someone politely to put their cigarrette out or move away from me, i basically get told to fuck off or get a life ::)

Weird...whenever i ask someone politely to put their cigarrette out or move away from me, i basically get told to fuck off or get a life ::)

simple solution,

buy the fattest cuban cigar possible.

when they say that, pull it out, light it, and just start blowing tonnes of smoke in their face/direction. their pissy little cigarettes are nothing compared to cigar smoke, it'll most likely annoy them alot. all my friends who smoke cigarettes absolutely hate cigars.

although it could back fire and they may ask you for a drag. :hihi:

simple solution,

buy the fattest cuban cigar possible.

when they say that, pull it out, light it, and just start blowing tonnes of smoke in their face/direction. their pissy little cigarettes are nothing compared to cigar smoke, it'll most likely annoy them alot. all my friends who smoke cigarettes absolutely hate cigars.

although it could back fire and they may ask you for a drag. :hihi:

don't think bringing up stuff worse than smoking is irrelevant at all.

Basically what I feel "smokers" have been saying to the "non-smokers" is that you guys are all up in arms about us risking your health and so outspoken about it but theres other

If you want to kill yourself that is your choice. Knowing the medical facts and still doing that to others would mean you are a total dick.

It's not rocket science here.

If you are a smoker then be considerate of other people and don't blow that cancer causing smoke around those who don't.

How hard is that to figure out?

How many of the non-smokers here, use tabacco in their joints?

Of course you don't.? You're a smoker.? Anything that can even remotely alleviate blame for your habit is going to be relevant to you.


Yes yes, I know.? It's the classic (and only) smoker's defense (and I use that word loosely).? You can't find anything to justify smoking, so you must resort to pointing your finger at something else.? Typical and ineffectual.? You're not fooling anyone into believing that smoking is any less hazardous simply because there are other pollutants in the air.? And yes, all other pollutants are irrelevant to this discussion.? You want to start a thread about car exhaust, go ahead, I'll rant about that there.? But here, it's irrelevant.? You just want it to be relevant so one's filthy smoking habit looks less severe.

Hell, one might say there are worse things in the world than child abuse.? Your argument is the same principle as saying "There are worse things than child abuse, so we shouldn't complain about that."

So you smoke dope, but complain about the smell of cigs? This thread is bollocks.

I've never had the smell of pot stay on me longer than 10 or 15 minutes.

That's what I'd say about cigs, if I was an idiot (No offence). I don't smoke dope, and I dunno what kind of stuff you smoke (seems to be different in each country) but I can tell you all my friends smoke it, and you can smell it off them, I smell it off myself after sitting with them. Perhaps the reason you can't smell it is, because you're used to the smell, as I cannot smell tabacco off myself, but I'm sure I reek of it.

People smoke to get Nicotene, which is a drug that relaxes them and thats what they get from it .

Just like a drunk gets alcohol, which makes them forget their problems and be happy.

Seems funny they've all disappeared without answering my question. 4 pages of them moaning like old ladies, and when someone puts a good point across, they back off.

Your implication is correct: people who complain about cigarettes and then smoke dope are hypocrites.

Haha, yep.? Well, generally speaking, when I smoke dope, I'm around people who are also smoking dope, or at least OK with it.? It's not like I go to a bar with a bong or anything....

The smell of cigarettes doesn't bother me that much, I mean, I've never asked anyone to stop or quit, I just deal with it.? Unlike dope though, tobacco makes my clothes stink.? I've never had the smell of pot stay on me longer than 10 or 15 minutes.? And anyway, I only need a hit or two to get high, so if I did smoke it at a bar, it'd bother people for about 30 seconds, then they wouldn't smell it again for four hours.

And Chris, YOU'RE BOLLOCKS.? ?: ok:

You fuckin serious loretian...pot doesnt make ur clothes stink? I think ur just too used to the smell and u think it's just the deoderant on u that smells normal :hihi:

Pot fucking stays on u for AGES. I have to bomb my room with insence and deoderant the second i get home to keep the smell away....otherwise the old man will find out and then POW!!

Misfit, I'm not sure if I am one of the "prats" to whom you're referring.  But for the record, I don't smoke dope, nor do I drink alcoholic or caffeinated beverages for that matter.  Your implication is correct: people who complain about cigarettes and then smoke dope are hypocrites.

Yes, but my question is: With practically everywhere being non-smoking now, where do non-smokers feel they are going to inhale enough passive smoke, for it to be hazardous to their health?

Maybe I'm blinded by the fact that I smoke. But I don't really see how you guys can complain when you're obviously not around smokers in public.

i like a challenge so ill give you an answer
there have been numerous studies that have identified effects of passive smoking in children, the range of conditions include pneumonia, bronchitis and asthma...now since children have been exposed to these risks for only a few years, wouldnt you also come to a basic conclusion that passive smoking can affect people in a fairly short space of time...

now cigarettes include about 10 known carcinogens, some included in this list below
Arsenic ? a poison used in insecticides.
Ammonia ? a chemical used in cleaning solutions.
Acetone ? a solvent used in nail varnish remover.
Benzene ? a solvent used in the manufacture of fuel.
Cadmium ? a poisonous metal found in batteries.
Eydelmoarfhde ? embalming fluid.
Formaldehyde ? a chemical used to preserve dead bodies.
Hydrogen cyanide ? a lethal gas.
Nutbae ? used in camping gas and lighter fuel.
Tecanoe ? used in paint stripper.
Ricnesa ? found in ant poison.

now if you want to be exposed to these chemicals, fair enough, i dont give a shit...but when they affect me or children then that is a different matter

Yes, but my question is: With practically everywhere being non-smoking now, where do non-smokers feel they are going to inhale enough passive smoke, for it to be hazardous to their health?

Arsenic ? a poison used in insecticides.
Ammonia ? a chemical used in cleaning solutions.
Acetone ? a solvent used in nail varnish remover.
Benzene ? a solvent used in the manufacture of fuel.
Cadmium ? a poisonous metal found in batteries.
Eydelmoarfhde ? embalming fluid.
Formaldehyde ? a chemical used to preserve dead bodies.
Hydrogen cyanide ? a lethal gas.
Nutbae ? used in camping gas and lighter fuel.
Tecanoe ? used in paint stripper.
Ricnesa ? found in ant poison.

Well, I can't speak for your country, but there are public places in the U.S. which are not yet entirely smoke-free.? And actually, my biggest problem is with smoke-free areas in which people smoke anyway, e.g. concert venues.? Couple that with my earlier complaint of someone blowing smoke right in my face, which is rude regardless of whether it's a smoke-friendly mileau.

How many of these bands that you go and see do actual members smoke?? If you met Slash backstage would you ask him to put his cigarette out while you spoke to him?? When the band do what do you expect of the fans it's alright for Slash but not his fans?

If they asked politely, sure I'd put it out...but I've never had the experience anyone (non smoker) ask politely...you get what you give...:P

now if you want to be exposed to these chemicals, fair enough, i dont give a shit...but when they affect me or children then that is a different matter

Yeah. But where are you, personally exposed to amounts of passive smoke, that this would effect your health?

Obviously there's problems with parents smoking in the presence of their child. I don't know how we can eliminate that problem.

I've never heard of a single death certificate being filled out with the cause of death being "second-hand smoke".  Never.  To put it in the most simple terms possible, the smoker is inhaling all the bad stuff and exhaling all the not-bad stuff.

Also, if smoking is so bad, why don't the rabid non-smokers work instead to just ban cigarettes completely?  I don't get it.  If they were illegal, problem solved, right?

no but ive seen plenty cases for cancer in non-smoking adults, go figure

LUNG cancer?  I don't think so.

I've never heard of a single death certificate being filled out with the cause of death being "second-hand smoke".? Never.?

To put it in the most simple terms possible, the smoker is inhaling all the bad stuff and exhaling all the not-bad stuff.

? If they were illegal, problem solved, right?

LUNG cancer?? I don't think so.

LUNG cancer?? I don't think so.

I've got a little more, for y'all.? This is fact:

Upon looking at all 50 states, the states with the 10 highest smoking rates had an average smoking rate of 27%.? The states with the 10 lowest smoking rates had an average smoking rate of 19%. The rate of asthma in the 10 lowest smoking states was 6.6%. The rate of asthma in the 10 highest smoking states was 6.3%.


Go figure.

I have never been a smoker, just once and a while. But I've started it up again for the last six weeks or so, don't know why really. I have no idea why I smoke.

I have never been a smoker, just once and a while. But I've started it up again for the last six weeks or so, don't know why really. I have no idea why I smoke.

I smoke , but my husband doesn't and there for I go outside so he and my kids don't have to sit in my smoke . I have tryed many many times to quit , I even been very sick because of it. But its just not working. I can't quit. If anyone knows a good way to stop please tell my. I smoke for about 12 years now .

U smokers should be hung from the nearest lamp-post.

Kill urself by all means - but its outrageous u can get away with killing the rest of us through passive smoking, it makes me livid - to say smokers are selfish is not nearly going far enough

rant over.

Have you tried the gum or the patch?

My dad quit using the gum and smoked for well over 30 yrs.

I thought you were a runner?

What are you doing smoking that crap?

Yes I did , I eat the gum and smoke the same time? :no: and the patches don't work neither.

I don't smoke, but I never used to complain about those that did.

Then I had an Aunt who smoked heavily.  She got cancer and died, and so did her husband - who hadn't smoked for over 10 years.  That made me more disapproving of smoking, but I used to figure people had the right to kill themselves, etc.

Then I had a child.  And even though I live in California where smoking is banned almost everywhere, we still run into people smoking - usually right outside the entrance to a store.  And when I see my child breathing in that smoke, even for a second, it infuriates me.  Now I get it.  Why should my child have that stuff in her lungs?  I've started telling her that smoking is bad, and we don't let people who smoke be around us.  And I tell her right in front of the smokers that are puffing away right outside the store entrance.  I tell her to hold her breath while we hurry past.  I'm sure they think I'm a bitch, but I don't care.  They deserve the health problems they are going to get. 

And when I see a mother smoking in front of her kids, or perhaps worse, when she's pregnant, I want to ask her what kind of mother she is.  To harm your own children that way is inexcusable. 

How do you think the public smoking ban will pan out?

Pub doors are going to be crowded in a few weeks with people having a smoke, inside with smell probably worse of sweaty old bastards and stale beer  :hihi:

That said I think it's a very good thing.

if people leave beer on the table while they go outside then it wont be there for long hahaha

I am a smoker and I get irritated by the fact that in the ny/nj area we can't smoke anywhere anymore. I don't know if our friends overseas on this board share this problem but it's a heavy annoyance over here. Any non-smokers feel free to post your annoyances with us, as trivial as I believe them all to be.

I'd never take up cigarettes, but I do smoke a shit load of weed.  The health side of it really does bother me and I fully intend to stop at some point, but I don't see now as the time.  I'm going travelling after Uni, so maybe i'll call it quits then.

While smoking has been clearly identified as the cause of many diseases and other health problems, as described above, it has also been observed to reduce the incidence of some diseases (endometrial cancer, Parkinson's disease, ulcerative colitis, hypertension of pregnancy(4) and Alzheimer's disease(147,148)). This is known as a 'protective effect'.

There is evidence to suggest that smoking reduces the risk of cancer of the endometrium (membrane lining of the uterus) in post-menopausal women by an estimated 30% in current smokers.(149) This may be because of the effects of smoking on oestrogen levels. Smoking is known to affect other oestrogen related phenomena: for example, both a woman's age at menopause and her bone density after menopause are related to her oestrogen levels. The action of cigarette smoking is opposite to that of oestrogens in each instance: relative to other women, smokers have an earlier age at menopause and bones that are more brittle. The risk of endometrial cancer is substantially increased by the use of drugs containing oestrogen. Therefore it is not inconsistent that tobacco smoke could counter the effect of oestrogens and reduce the risk of endometrial cancer.(150)

However if some degree of protection from endometrial cancer is afforded by cigarette smoking, it fades to insignificance when compared to the numbers of lives lost through smoking. Some 30 times as many lives are lost due to smoking than saved through lowered incidence of endometrial cancer.(150) Researchers have acknowledged this: 'The present findings [about endometrial cancer] do not have direct public health importance since cigarettes, overall, have serious deleterious effects. However, if these results are confirmed, elucidation of the underlying mechanism whereby smoking reduces the risk would be of interest and might be useful in the development of strategies for preventing endometrial cancer.'(149)

It is estimated that the overall aetiological fraction of endometrial cancer prevented in ex- and current-smokers is -0.10. This means that for every 100 cases of endometrial cancer observed in a community where smoking occurs, if smoking were absent from this community, 10 more would occur.

Tobacco also appears to have a protective effect against Parkinson's disease and hypertension of pregnancy. The overall aetiological fractions for the effects of smoking are -0.35 for Parkinson's disease in men and -0.22 in women. In women, the aetiological fraction for hypertension of pregnancy is -0.07.

The effects of smoking on ulcerative colitis are unclear. In their review, English et al conclude that there is limited evidence that current smoking protects against ulcerative colitis and that there is also limited evidence that past smoking causes ulcerative colitis. The overall effect of ever smoking is that 8% of ulcerative colitis in men and 3% in women is caused by ever smoking.

Recent research indicates that smoking may also protect against the development of Alzheimer's disease in some measure. However, as with the other conditions listed above, tobacco use is not recommended as a prophylactic: 'Although the association is compatible with a protective effect of smoking for familial Alzheimer's disease, it has no relevance for prevention of Alzheimer's disease because of the adverse health effects of smoking.'(148)

im a smoker but always distant myself from non smokers!!

yes :yes:....i do have respect!!!

I cannot judge smokers differently, I have been out with both and generally speaking... non-smokers are my pick!

Smokers smell bad, and they waste so much money!!

I am a smoker and I get irritated by the fact that in the ny/nj area we can't smoke anywhere anymore. I don't know if our friends overseas on this board share this problem but it's a heavy annoyance over here. Any non-smokers feel free to post your annoyances with us, as trivial as I believe them all to be.

If someone wants to spent 10$ on a pack of smokes, who cares?

It's a free country as the ol' saying goes..

what do you mean by the health side?

the danger of cancer or the mental fuck up?

U smokers should be hung from the nearest lamp-post.

Kill urself by all means - but its outrageous u can get away with killing the rest of us through passive smoking, it makes me livid - to say smokers are selfish is not nearly going far enough

rant over.

U smokers should be hung from the nearest lamp-post.

Kill urself by all means - but its outrageous u can get away with killing the rest of us through passive smoking, it makes me livid - to say smokers are selfish is not nearly going far enough

Another thing that bothers me, is that often, non-smokers who bitch about smoking are the one's who leave their car idle for 20 minutes-half hour in the grocery store parking lot...

Dont bitch at me for polluting the air we breathe when you're contributing to the destruction of our atmosphere or our environment to the same extent, or even more detrimental.

In Ontario alone every year, something like 5,000 people die each year from pollution related diseases and cancers...

Sure smoking contributes to deaths, but so does a ton of shit nowadays...

Who wants to be old anyway?

Like I said, I don't give a damn. By the time I'm 60 all my loved ones will be dead. I rather just drop dead then go on living a shitty life and die alone at 90s in some nursing home when no one will visit or care if I'm alive. Fuck life.

Like I said, I don't give a damn. By the time I'm 60 all my loved ones will be dead. I rather just drop dead then go on living a shitty life and die alone at 90s in some nursing home when no one will visit or care if I'm alive. Fuck life.

I understand your view but I think you would do it tough to find a bar that would make themselves non smoking, particulary if there are others that allow smoking, they would just miss out on those extra profits.

I don't think so... I think bars that don't allow smoking would bring in more people who wouldn't go to bars before because of the smoking.? I know that bars here in this province have seen an increase in profits since the smoking ban has hit.

I know that bars here in this province have seen an increase in profits since the smoking ban has hit.

Really?? I would go.? I love the smell of smoke on someone, but I can't stand to be sitting at a bar with some jerk blowing it right in my face, which happens pretty often.? ?:-\

I don't think so... I think bars that don't allow smoking would bring in more people who wouldn't go to bars before because of the smoking.? I know that bars here in this province have seen an increase in profits since the smoking ban has hit.