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I was wondering if anybody knows when promotion would start for an album that was scheduled for release in november?  I would think it would be soon, and I am growing skeptical since we have heard nothing from guns yet. I am starting to think it's not going to happen.

I would think it would start right now. If the album is comming out in November, it would be smart to do a few shows and interviews right now.

I have no idea what goes on in the GN'R camp, so this is purely a guess, but my gut tells me that the new GN'R album will not be comming out in 2004.

He will release the album on his time.  No set date right now.  Axl Rose will let us know when he's done.  Like I said he doesn't want to be a rock star right now, he wants to be normal.  Out of the media limelight.  When we forget about him, which will probably be never.  He'll release the album.

Its begining to be tooooo late..... :'(

U2 and Eninem has already announce there albums in november...

It's not coming out in November. 

Even if official promotion hasn't started, there will still be leaks of the album's release months ahead of any official announcement/promotion. 


I'm thinking spring or summer 2005 at the earliest. 

im guessin' a release date in November, somethin's gotta happen by the end of this year, a single or an announcement!!
hhhhhmmmmmmmm... :-\

Bloody fuckin hell, you're RIGHT!! Eminem's new album is coming out November 16th.... Holy Shit.   :o

what's so holy about that shit?

Didn't management say something about the release date and tour all being announced together a few months ago?

Wonder if that still applies.....

I'm still giving it till end of September for news of a November/December release. That's pushing it tho...

@#$%Funker

I don't see how this thing could come out in November. That's only 2 months from now -- 3 if they put it out at the very end of November. We haven't even heard Axl's promised announcement, let alone the promotions and shit.

Not to mention that we haven't seen even the slightest movement in the GNR camp. Nobody's rescheduling solo tours, no rumours (as there were w/ GH) of circulars being printed up, no activity at all... nothing, just crickets.

yeah, summer 2005 i say. so they have time to go work again after everybody is done with solo careers.
let's change the board to another theme until then.
what about "strawberrie pie" ?

Isn't U2's new single being released to radio in September and then released in October?

U2 knows how to sell records. ;)

I think that if the band wants interviews in magazines, they should start really soon. The October issues of some magazines are probably gonna be out in September.....



/jarmo

GorgeousNRandy ay? I guess that makes me HandsomeNHorny  ;) Welcome to the board.

I do think it's leaving it late for a November release, but you never know with Guns.

But then, what if it's gonna be mid December? That's 3.5 months away.... hmmmmmm

Happy guessing  : ok:

@#$%Funker

For a November release promotion would need to begin at the latest October. They can release a single in OCt and have it out for 2-4 weeks before the album drops. Probably 4 weeks. So thats sometime in October. As for the other promotion, same thing. Sometime in late Sept/oct.

For a Dec. release bump everything up a month. We still have time but the light is dimming out as each day passes. If we don not hear anything by mid October, then I personally will not be expecting the album until next Spring.

i now hope it is not November anymore, because Eminem has confirmed he is releasing an album in the middle of November, and it will dwarf GNR in terms of record sales and press. Right or wrong....Eminem is the hot ticket in music today, and I was GNR to stand alone to garner all the press and record sales it can to make the press a little more favorable.

Assuming the album were to somehow be released in November, and its looking less and less likely, would you still want them to knowing Eminem and U2 are both releasing new albums as well? Eminem's release will no doubt enter at #1 regardless of what else is released, and I don't want Guns losing out on press because they released an album the same time as Em and U2...who also has incredibly strong fan base. I know you can't release albums based on what other bands are doing, but given all of the time that has gone into this I would hate to see them release it only to be dwarfed by Eminem.

Another reason why C.D wont be released in November...

Maybe this belongs to the november release thread??

Yeah, the Eminem album has kind of thrown a wrench in any supposed November plan.  Because while it wont stop anybody from buying the GNR album, it will undoubtedly outsell it...And it would suck to have GNRs thunder stolen.  Not to mention that its an Interscope release...and Im no record business expert, but I doubt Interscope wants two of its biggest releases colliding with one another. 

Not that I actually expected the GNR album this year anyway... :-\

Dwarfed by Eminem? You expect Guns N' Roses to hide away from him.  I can't see him being much of a problem.  If you're gonna buy both albums you will and anyone who'd choose Eminem over GN'R doesn't deserve the album anyway.  You really think the board members here want the album delaying even more every month some artist is releasing an album,  GN'R will release when good and ready and should not plan their release depending on others.

In 2004....Eminem's popularity does dwarf GNR. That is just the reality of the situation. Every major music outlet will be going gaga over it and GNR would not get the coverage they otherwise would. You are naive if you don't realize this.

I realise it both i also think that GN'R has great anticipation and put simply i am sick of waiting, if it gets overshadowed so be it the album will be just as good and singles will help boost sales later on no matter how well it does intially long-term is more important, and if it's good and the singles are it'll be around for a while e.g. look how long the Greatest Hits has been in the charts

Actually, the more people in stores buying albums, the better for all. I think that is how the theory goes. Booker, Interscope also has U2!! Personally, I don't see the album coming out this year. Again, I see no evidence to suggest that we are any closer to a release than in August of 2002 or early 2003 or any other date for that matter. What other band members say has proven to be absolutely meaningless. :'(

Face reality...Even the combined million-plus first-week sales of the UYI records sold during the height of GNR doesnt match the nearly two million MMLPs sold in its first week.  The Eminem Show two years later sold something like 1.2 million its first week.  This next one will be about as big.  Eminem now is GNR in 1991.  GNR now isnt.  2004 has proved that GNR is still a force, but its still not as big as it used to be.

And the issue, like I already stated, isnt about Eminem detracting sales from GNR.  Its about Eminem stealing their shine.  Chinese Democracy would be a lock for #1 51 weeks out of the year...The week of Eminems new album is that one week they wouldnt.  Now, they could go ahead anyway, but wouldnt it be a little anticlimatic for the mythical new GNR album to be outshined?  They could release it a week or two before - itll be upstaged.  Or they could release it a week or two after - theres still no guarantee itll beat out Eminem, since Eminems albums have a history of holding on ridiculously strong.

And then theres the same record company factor...In fact, I believe Jimmy Iovine A&Rs both projects.  That would have to create some conflict, considering theyre both huge projects for Interscope and I strongly doubtful, like I said, they want those projects interfering with each other.

Now Im doubtful that CD would have been released in November anyway, but if it were, I would suggest simply shifting it to the middle/end of December.  But speaking as if this thing is actually going to be released within the next year is a large hypthetical.

If CD is any good -- according to Mysteron, management has total confidence in it -- it will compete very well with Eminem. Considering how fashionable it was to draw comparisons between the two, if they both put out albums at the same time it might help both of them. Plus you have the whole rap vs. rock thing. There's never been a really good head-to-head between a rock behemoth and a rap behemoth. This would qualify, I think.

Depending upon how long they wait for the Eminem hoopla to die down, they need to get this thing out by Mid December at the absolute latest or risk having to wait until next April or May at the earliest as First Quarter post Christmas record sales are notoriously very sluggish and the record company will not waste a big release like that in a quarter when sales don't move well. We could be in for a much longer wait than we had all hoped.

Fact is Axl ain't stupid and he'll release it when he wants to and when he is happy it'll do well, if he chooses November fine the sooner the better it's his choice obviously he's wanting it to be a huge success so he'll bring it out when he see's the time to be good.? After all that's been put into it i think everyone obviously wants it to be a huge success this discussion is suggesting November is actually the release date when it's just another rumour backed up by VH1.  As for being outshined as long as the record company gets their money, the band tours, the record it is good who gives a fuck it seems you all want everything handed on a plate, set out perfectly....fact is you're getting nothing right now...just be happy with what you get

November would be great, cause for me it would bring back memories of 2 years ago driving to Detroit to see GNR on a Thursday, then coming back and seeing them again on Sun. Honestly, the sooner the better for the release. The silence from Axl, to me, is absurd-at least post a message a month or something.

2nd week in december will do just fine. or release it a week before mnm.

For once, I actually agree....

WHat is an A&R guy. IS it a guy basically oversees a project? What kind of input does he have, etc?

I think the elections will also take away some shine from a release. Not that it matters becuase they are 2 diffent types of things but still might have an effect.

Gnr have held on for this long, they might as well wait till they have the spotlight to release it. No sense in competing with musics biggest giant. But it would be cool if CD was a masterpiece and it wnet head to head with Em for a few weeks. That would genrate so much positive press, it would be incredible.But the GNR camp would be taking a big chance on that. Also they both share teh same company so business wise, why release 2 of your major albums on the same day....

I thought Eminems album was coming out in the Spring

If the album is ready, there's no better time to release it in November if you're concerned about sales. Despite several popular releases, that's when the world is spending their $$$.
Eminem is hugely popular and will sell well, but his fanbase is not the same fanbase
as GnR. I don't care if GnR hits #1 on the album chart, just as long as the album is great
and it gets released. The rest (attention , accolades, etc) will come in due time if the
album is as good as well all hope it is.
And for those still wondering about needing time for promotion, they did announce the Eminem release date for november, but did not disclose a single or any track listing, so the album may very well still be in the final stages of being produced, as is Chinese Democracy perhaps.

Guess I'll post here what I posted in the "When Would Promotion Start" thread:


Now, first of all, I'm skeptical that CD will be released this year, let alone on November. But for shits and giggles, I think GNR is going to be a bigger story than it may seem right now. I don't know if they could steal number 1 from Eminem should they square off on the same release date. But neither would they be humilated. And it might be one of those things where they win out over time. Any album with lots of singles beats an album with only one or two singles. Axl has had like 15 years to write singles... hopefully that'll show up.

there is no way in hell that this album would start promotion in early or mid october if it is going to be released in november. if you think that you are living in fantasy world. we will have at least 2 and half to 3 monthes between when they announce the release date and when that release date actually arrives.

I think November is a great idea .. I think september or october is an even BETTER idea however!  : ok:

November was a good idea 3 months ago. I said this once, but I'll say it again, there is no way we'll see the album in November. Period. Promotion should've started at least a month ago already. To this date, there's no movement ( as far as we know) at the GNR camp.

Do I want to see the album out by november? Sure, but if that's the case, there won't be hardly any promotion then.

March 2005 is looking very likely right now.  No November release too much competition for ole Axl.  Then again he doesn't want the spotlight on him anymore.

I think mid-Dec is excellent, CD for the Christmas, December. :D

 The reality is that Eminem is merely a local n ephemeral star compare to GNR.
I mean does he sell outside US, esp in non English speaking countries?

The possible opponent could be U2, the behemoth.
GNR doesn?t necessarily need to sell huge in the first week or top the chart of the month.
In the long run it will sell mammoth.?

And the label must have known all this. Hence...:greedy:

We live in the world of "cause and effect" :coffee:
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?:the more you endeavour, the more you achieve. Cruel but true.

You can't leave out Judas Priestas competition.

Im sure Eminem sells plenty outside the U.S., but its the U.S. that really counts.  And here, hes one of, if not the the biggest-selling artist around.

Uhh.... Sure you can?

Sooo Sorry, timothy, I didnt know about Judas Priestas.? :-[


Back to the ?86/7, GNR got a break in the UK first, then US.

Besides, according to the management, (pre GH)?
Global sales of more than 80mil - US sales of 40mil = outside US sales = more than half
How can you ignore this? :headscratch:

I never thought you?re the, hum, ultranationalist. I'm sad... :(

Useless Note: Chinese population is 150 million. Next Olympic will be hold in Beijing.? :peace:(Completely irrelevant to the topic)

Whats the point?  The U.S. market is still what matters most.


I didnt...I said that the U.S. is the most important market for American artists...I didnt say that global sales werent important, but the the U.S. is where it matters most.  And that statistic proves my point...40 million in the U.S. alone = 40 million in every other country on the planet.  An American artists primary target for success is America...you would think this is obvious.   


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Okay?


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1. Chinas population is over 1 billion

2. Youre right, its completely irrelevant to the topic.

As long as its not on nov.2....

China's population is actually over 2 billion.



Anyway, it won't happen in November, so enough.  We would have heard things by now.


Knowing that Eminem is releasing an album, you can be guaranteed that GNR won't.


We're not going to see this album until next year, at the absolute earliest.

Thank you for the input, Professor...after all, youre known here for your staggering intelligence.

However, the CIAs website has the Chinese poulation at 1,298,847,624 (July 2004 est.).

It ain't coming out in November......no way.... :hihi:

Who cares how much they sold in first week? UYI's sold 14 million overall (in US) and  Eminem's THE EMINEM SHOW 9 million overall (in US) ...

And i don't see eminem playing front of 30000- 70000 people...so eminem isn't GNR in 91

Guns n' Roses were bigger than Eminem. Eminem wouldn't be able to do a world stadium tour come on...it's impossible he is not enought successfull to do it. Would you see Eminem sell out 3 times the tokyo dome? ahahaha!! and would you see him make a concert in front of 75.000/90.000 people in south America at every gig? no way...

Guns n' Roses were fucking huge in the early 90's, we speak about one of the most intensive success of History. Eminem is huge, but not as huge as GN'R back in the days. Just take a look on the record sales. Even Britney Spears hasn't sold as many records as Guns n' Roses in their glory days...

Right...two seperate albums selling 7 million each.


The Eminem Show has been out for only two years...That album was certified 7 times platinum in 8 months.? 8X platinum in 1 year.? It hasnt been certified in over a year.? The UYIs?? 7X platinum in 6 years.? Although they also havent been certified in about 7 years, which would probably make a significant difference.? But I think you get the point.? Eminems success relative to Guns' during their prime (which is the fair way to compare since GNR has about 8 - 12 years on Eminem) is not only comparable, but sales-wise, even bigger.? Its right there - Eminem Show: 8X Plat. in 1 year.? UYI I: 4X Plat. in 1 year.? It takes another album in UYI II to match that 8X.? ? ?

The Marshall Mathers LP is nearly diamond (10 times platinum) in only 4 years...which actually makes it a faster-selling album than even Appetite For Destruction, which didnt hit diamond status until 6 years after its release.? Will Eminems albums have the lasting sales GNRs have?? We cant say since hes still in his prime.? But I think Ive proved my point about his success rivaling, and actually surpassing GNRs when it comes to sales.


Im not sure what Eminems live numbers are...Im sure youre right, GNR were a bigger live act than Eminem.? However, Phish probably is too, and would anybody consider Phish bigger than Eminem?

Like I said, Im not sure what level of success Eminem has when it comes to live shows, but I would say that starring in a blockbuster movie (about his life no less), pushing the soundtrack to nearly 5X Platinum (one on which hes only featured on a handful of songs), producing numerous hit songs for other artists, launching another 8-million-plus-selling superstar, winning Grammies & Oscars, etc., etc. kind of makes up for not playing to 70,000 people for a few gigs.

And please dont misunderstand this post as simply glorifying Eminem and discrediting Guns, because as much as it seems like it, thats not what its about.? Its about this myth that Eminems success isnt as big or important as it really is, or that its not even comparable to GNRs in their prime - and proving it wrong.? Facts are facts.

stop thinking as if USA is the only country in the world. When I speak about record sales I speak about worldwide sales. Who cares about US sales only? It means nothing for me and for all those who don't live in America. Absolutely nothing. Worlwide sales are much more significant than US sales only, this is the real deal.
I love America but I will never understand why Americans are so selfish and always look to their little ass. wake up, you are not alone, there are another countries in the world around you. Something called "the world"...
This is a very selfish behaviour in my opinion.

I really think that at least in Europe, Eminem and GN'R have a pretty different target audience and fanbase. So I really don't think that their sales would be hurt too much here.. And at least in Finland Eminem has not been as popular lately, as he was let's say from when his movie came out to a year back from that. Then you really couldn't ignore him even if you wanted to since he was in every form of media out there.

So at least in Europe the christmas/November/December could work. I wasn't sure about GN'R ever being big here again but as the sales from the Greatest Hits and the attendance figures from the VR show without almost any promotion showed, people haven't forgotten GN'R. I'm really not sure if this is the case in the US, since I think you have very different music scene there if I've understood correctly. I mean when I sometimes see adds or some stories about who's big out there, it's mostly the same (the huge stars will always be huge) but there are some names that make me go "what the fuck is that band?"

I think in the Europe U2 is the band that could more severely step on GN'R's toes... But even their fanbase is pretty different. But to an average consumer U2 might come before GN'R. (that is, if my memory serves me correctly and U2 are releasing a record in a few months.

The simple fact of the matter is Gnr had two full recording sessions for full length releases. One session gave us two albums (UYI'S), really three if you include Spaghetti (outside of Gilby redoing Izzy's parts) and one session gave us AFD. The amount of record sales in relation to the small amount of formal recording time is truly phenomenal. Eminem is huge as well...no doubt as big as Guns back in the day. However, Booker, I believe you are selling GNR'S accomplishments a little short. UYI to me is just one long drawn out album. Geffen got a lot of bang for the buck out of Guns. Now, Chinese is a different story.... :hihi:

Guns n' Roses were bigger worldwide back in the days than Eminem is today. Guns n' Roses sold about 80 million records worldwide in 5 or 6 years of full carreer (1987/93). That's absolutely enormous. They were the Rolling Stones of the late 80's/ early 90's and they sold out stadiums everywhere on the earth (America, Europe, South America, Asia, Australia...). Excuse me but Eminem is very far of that in a worldwide point of vue. I think he hasn't even sold half of GN'R record sales.
and you know why? because Eminem is rap music, the target is just young teenagers or young men and women. When they grow-up, they don't listen to it anymore because it's just a music for teenagers. Guns n' Roses were (and still is) a Rock band. and Rock n' Roll is universal. Everybody enjoy Rock music (beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, u2, queen, guns n' Roses, nirvana, etc...), teenagers to mature men and women.? it's just a global music, just classic. that's why rock artists will always sell more than rappers and will always be bigger.

That is a very good point. I am not sure Em will be selling records 10-15 years from now. Major rock acts do and will...

What we're talking about, is whether November is a good idea, and if so, when would the promotion start.

alright. november? I don't think so. December? maybe. In my opinion? not before 2005.
I feel good for U2. in my opinion they are going to be big again.

No album this year   :'(

Oh, boo-hoo!

Hey nay-sayers the album is coming out before the end of this year.

If it comes out in 2005, then I won't be suprised but as of now, it will be coming out in 2004.

OK, I'll bite. What month will it come out this year and how do you know?  ???

lets face facts...the album isnt coming out anytime soon..Tommy is probably closest to axl and he even admitted that he is out of the loop..But feel free to fantasy about the ad campaign

What kind of promotion do you need for the most anticipated rock album in the last decade?
We don't need 16 weeks of hype. I just don't get what the point is of having 3-4 months of promotion. Go into any record store today and you won't see any posters or advertisements for albums being released during the holiday season. All we've seen so far is a couple of generic press releases for Eminem, U2 and a britney spears greatest hits.
I've stated this in the past: In today's world, news travels faster than ever.
C'mon...November/December is still a long way off.

I think it?s started for many moons. :coffee:

Tommy is promoting well, like killing two birds with one stone, isn?t he?

An old teacher threw that number at me years ago, and it stuck.  If it's wrong, not my fault.

I really think we will have short notice on release and then it will be a media/promotion blitz for the album.  I hope it is out in early November. U2 and Eminem are releasing albums on 11/23 and 11/16.  And U2 is gonna sell well as usual, as will Eminem.  So early November for a release and promotion in October.  I think the album/video/single will all come out very close together, maybe all together.