Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1490666/20040830/eminem.jhtml?headlines=true

It turns out Eminem's show has an encore ? fans just had to wait two and a half years for it, rather than the typical couple of minutes.

The rapper otherwise known as Slim Shady will release Encore, the follow-up to 2002's smash The Eminem Show, on November 16. Details on the release, such as the first single or collaborators, have not yet been revealed, but Em's spokesperson said the album will feature all new material.

Encore will hit shelves around the same time as another album featuring Eminem, a collection of unreleased Tupac tracks with Em as one of the producers (see "Eminem Signs On For Another 'New' Tupac Album"). Along with those projects, the Detroit rapper recently recorded a verse for a remix of the country's #1 song, "Lean Back" (see "Eminem, Mase Pitch In To Make 'Lean Back' Even Hotter").

Em last hit record stores in April with D12 World, the second album from his hometown crew, which has produced a couple of hits in "My Band" and "How Come."

D12 earned three Video Music Award nominations but left Sunday's ceremony empty-handed (see "Outkast, Jay-Z Win Big At Vmas; Usher, No Doubt Land Multiple Moonmen"). Eminem was not present with the rest of the group, who attended wearing Detroit Pistons garb.



And from the official Eminem website (www.eminem.com):

 "Encore" Coming November 16th!
Eminem's new studio album, "Encore", will be in stores November 16th!

 [posted 8/30/2004 U.S.A.]


So who's going to be getting this album??  I've been waiting for this for awhile now.  I'm pretty curious to hear what Em is going to rap about...  I think the title "Encore" is appropriate since we've already gone through Eminem, Slim Shady, and Marshall Mathers.  Gonna be keeping my ears open for a new single... Should be VERY interesting to see if Eminem maintains his superstar status.  :o

I know Dizzy is buying this... who else?


P.S. Where is Dre's last CD??

That's one album I wont be buying

eminem is just a stupid marilyn manson without the cool album cover's design.
if i had to listen to rap i'd rather hear NWA or Cypress.

ENCORE= AGAIN .... again and again the SAME music.

your right, i wonder what he will be rappin' about,
how much of a slut he's mother is again  ::)
just like Korn, they just wont shut the fuck up, and there rich now and they still keep crying.

no eminem here >:(

I'm glad to say I don't own an Eminem album and I don't think I'm gonna start with this one.   Isn't his 15 minutes up yet?  I think he's slowly starting to drift away thank god.  He's gonna go the route of Fred Durst I think and even his own fans will start to see how horrible he is.

His "15 minutes" is going on 6 years... : ok:

Sorry to break it to you, but hes not going anywhere.  Like it or not, hell be the biggest thing in music for as long as he decides to continue, which will be at least a couple more years.   

this damn thing is going to sell million plus units it's first week . Kinda sucks for u2 their going to have to dell with his second week sells.

shit. I feel old!  Has it been that long?  And how long did GN'R last in its prime?  '87 - '93 give or take.


And then he'll turn to producing, like Dre

Another pointless rap album...the public will eat this up and we'll have to hear all about Eminem again...man i'm gettin tired of rap

Eminem sucks big ol' Donkey D**k!  What version is this? 4?









I really don't give a shit what Sky72 thinks of my opinion!

Out of curiosity, so I can better understand this steadfast anti-rap opinion - What makes a rap album pointless?  Furthermore, what makes a rock album have a point?

My own answer to that would be that the point of every album regardless of genre is to entertain...And judging by Eminems sales and critical acclaim, hes done just that.


As somebody with no visible interest in rap, I dont know why you would be getting tired of it.  I would suggest getting used to it, its been dominating the mainstream for nearly 8 years and doesnt appear to be going anywhere.

Personally, as a fan of both rap and rock, Im getting tired of the lack of good music in either genre at the moment. 

IMO i think that Rap albums are pointless because they all sing about the same sort of thing...drugs, clothes, and banging chicks...They all say they came from the ghetto...now they're rich and have lots of bling with tons of girls hanging off them and all the expensive cars they have.  It's regurgitated over and over...I'm not saying that a rock album has more point than a rap album...too me listening to rap does absolutely nothing...I just can't find a relation to them...

And when I say I'm getting tired of rap I'm meaning that I'm tired of its dominance in pop music...these artistis are constantly "cleaning up" at award shows and I just don't see why...i think it's time for a change...for something else to take hold...it's becoming alot like hair metal...the same sounding stuff over and over and over again. 

I should have been more specific with it...its just that I have a strong undesirable opinion towards that sort of music and I tend to be a bit careless with what I say about it.  I'm sure that theses artists have talent in what they do...it's just that I don't see it.  I didn't mean to offend.

But I do agree with you that there is a total lack of good music in rock as well..

Let's get a point across. 3 quartes of those cunts didn't come from the ghetto's or had a hard time being persecuted because of their background. Most of them have friends who are big or have connections to well known producers. So either they write a few ryhmes of living off their friends fame and banging chicks in their friends mansions or they lie about having a hard time getting to where they wanted to be. ::)

Thats what i like about old school rap. It had a fucking meaning. Be Black or White you could listen to rap and understand what they meant. You could be black and relate to their pain or could be white and admire them for their courage to go public and speak their mind.

Thats why i continue to listen to Public Enemy and NWA today.

I remember being in school 10 or so years ago and black jokes were everywhere. Now if you hear someone say something like "Nigga" every cunt will be on the persons arse. They can't say they face persecution when nobody would have the balls to insult a black person nowdays.

Same with gays. Even a few years ago they were looked down upon..now gay culture is accepted and mainstream with the heterosexual community and it's the same with black people. At least here anyway

Amen!? Rock and rap are similar in that they were both a lot better 12 years ago.? I like listening to old school gangsta rap because those guys actually had something to say.? I mean, I listened to NWA's "Fuck Tha Police" for the first time a few months ago, and it felt like I had been punched in the face.? These guys really hit hard, with their lyrics and their attitude.? Now, rap is all about the bling-bling...guys talking about how they've got a good fashion design company going.? There's less substance, more flash.? That's why I liked Jay-Z's "99 Problems" so much - it wasn't about some rich guy drinking Perrier, it was about the pain of everyday people.? Artsy video, too.

Did anybody see the video for Lloyd Banks' song, "I'm So Fly"?? I saw that and just had to laugh, it was so bad.? It exemplifies everything that's wrong with modern-day rap.? This guy comes to success by hanging on the coattails of 50 Cent and G-Unit, and writes a song that's basically him waving money around in front of his dozen token bitches and saying, "Look at me, I'm great!"? Well, good for you.? Same goes for that Nelly song, "My Place".? Man, that is one shitty song 'n' video.? Just him and another guy hanging out in a mansion with a bunch of chicks as Nelly has a "special moment" with one of them (although that chick was REALLY hot).? There's nothing rap bout that....it's basically just bubblegum pop with less melody.? Mind you, Nelly was always one of the shittier rappers out there - "#1" is his only good song.

So my point is basically, I hate bling-bling rap.? Which is why I appreciate rappers who do something a little different.? Eminem is good for mainstream rap....he sings about different stuff, even if it's all about him and he's the biggest narcissist in the world.? I mean, "Sing For The Moment", "Lose Yourself", "The Way I Am"...all really good songs and more raw than any bling-bling rap.? But if you ask me, Outkast are heads and shoulders above any other rappers out there today.? Now that is a great group...experimental, catchy, different.? They even add melody to their rap, which few others can do outside the chorus.

You know, even though I'm a rocker through and through, I do like a lot of rap.? But my main problem with it, and the reason I always go back to rock, is because it's musically uninteresting to me.? I mean, there's no catchy melody during the verses, only during the chorus.? There's no variation in song structures, and the instrumentation is the same the whole way through.? Learn a rap song on guitar - it'll take you ten seconds.? That's why I appreciate rap groups like Outkast that push the envelope.

Eminem is popular, but I don't think a lot of his songs will age well, because it's all about him.? Who in thirty years will care about a feud between Eminem and Moby?? Nobody.? I find that rap ages less well than other musical genres.? No rap act from the 80s is still popular, except for the Beastie Boys, and their last album was pretty weak.

Decent post, Matt.

However, theres a few points Id argue.

One is your problem with mainstream rap.  I dont care for most of it, and its totally fine that you dont either, but Nellys music in particular does serve a purpose.  Artistically, its shallow and all of that, but taken for what it is - party music, music to have dance and have fun to - its actually very well-done. 

Another is referencing the Eminem/Moby feud as something that would date the song.  To that, Id ask if you feel "Sweet Home Alabama" is any less classic because it mentions Neil Young?  I know, most of you as rock fans will swear its somehow different, but its really not.  The principle is no different.

Overall, Id say that your knowledge of rap is very limited.  Which is fine...but when I see you (and especially others) criticize rap in general for being pointless and about the same thing in every song, its clear that none of you are nearly qualified to make such a criticism.  Simply saying "I dont get it/ Its not for me" is a lot more sensible than making such arrogant, ignorant statements such as "i think that Rap albums are pointless because they all sing about the same sort of thing...drugs, clothes, and banging chicks".  It is refreshing to see that some of you are fans, or semi-fans of the music. 

As far as your comment of the longevity of rap artists, youre mainly right (but then again, theres not a ton of 80s acts still selling a ton of records either).  However, LL Cool J is still relatively popular...and I wouldnt even cite the Beastie Boys since their music often strays from rap and their audience certainly isnt a hip-hop one.  However, there are quite a few acts from the early 90s that are still at least somewhat popular. 

But as somebody who is a fan, I can say that rap for the most part is very stale right now...Theres been songs and albums here and thre, but in general I find myself rarely listening to anything new.  Theres plenty[/i] of stuff thats not about cars, money, and jewelry...but its just as uninteresting.  And though I havent listened to much rap at all lately, the little I do listen to is always older (or Jay-Z).  N.W.A. and Public Enemy proveto be two token old-school reference points, but theres a lot of other great shit including Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Gangstarr, Ultramagnetic MCs up to more recent acts such as Nas, Mobb Deep, the Notorious B.I.G., Digital Underground, Wu-Tang Clan, etc.

I wish all rap "artists" would go into a big rocket ship and fly into the sun, yo, boyyyy.  :peace:

Overall, Id say that your knowledge of rap is very limited.  Which is fine...but when I see you (and especially others) criticize rap in general for being pointless and about the same thing in every song, its clear that none of you are nearly qualified to make such a criticism.  Simply saying "I dont get it/ Its not for me" is a lot more sensible than making such arrogant, ignorant statements such as "i think that Rap albums are pointless because they all sing about the same sort of thing...drugs, clothes, and banging chicks".  It is refreshing to see that some of you are fans, or semi-fans of the music. 


It seems that you're a pretty peeved off at some of the comments I've made early...but be what it is it's my opinion...I'm not goin off saying that rock is better than rap or that if you listen to rap that you gotta get your head checked or anything...i don't know why you seem so offended...it was my opinion and I voiced it...isn't that what message boards are for?  I just don't like the music...I don't get it/it's not for me...does that make you feel better?  But if I did offend you in anyway it was not my intention to do so....in the future however...if you have something to say to me, don't go insulting me in posts to other users...if you have something to say to me, just say it too me...if you think i'm arrogant and ignorant...just say it to me...not to someone else.

i listen to a lot of old rap, new rap.........it just doesn't stick in my head like a run dmc song. i agree with booker, nelly makes great party songs, i mean hot in here was played at clubs for ages here. i think like with any music genre, just because its not on mtv or vh1 doesn't mean it doesnt exist. there is good rap out there, rap that you guys might like. rap with a message, rap with melody and good instrumentals and stuff.

i haven't really searched in a while, but the last rap album that i really really liked was Broken Arrow by Blackalicious. Yes it sounds like the name of an ebony porno, but its made up of a collaboration of artists. Really good songs, got ben harper and gil scot herron on there too. I suggest you find it or download it.

fuck i really want to listen to it now.

and to the person that said all rap is is talkin about how much money there they have and chicks they're banging. what a terrible reason to hate rap, hell rock is all about egos too. Millions of rock frontment sing about how good they are, how they could knock someone out with a single punch etc or how they have women everywhere.

ah thats enough.

I hate Eminem no way would I buy any of his albums

Alright, I have Booker Floyd's Official Stamp of Approval!  ;)


Yeah, I know it's good for clubs and all that.  But in terms of rap as party and music, for my money, nothing will ever beat the Beastie Boys' "Fight For Your Right To Party".  The ultimate party song, period.

All rap music doesn't have to be deep like Public Enemy or NWA....I just prefer it.  I just have a problem with Nelly for some reason...I tend to fit him into the same category as like Justin Timberlake or Britney Spears.  His music is very pop, but not in a good way.  There's a difference between good pop and bad, and Nelly is too N'Sync for my tastes.

i dig eminem!!!!!!!! His Marshall Mathers LP was not only the greatest rap record ever made but one of the best albums period! The Eminem Show only got a couple spins in my cd player as i felt he tried to change his style somewhat and go for the less controversial more mature rap stuff.


However his raps on D12's cd are great, "How Come" is fucking phenomenal! if u havent heard this and only remotely like rap music u should give it a try.

im not a huge rap fan but i do know that eminem is head and shoulders above all the G unit and those other rappers. Thing i dig most about Eminem, like him or hate him he is real, he raps about shit he has went through and u know he is authentic. I hate rappers that only brag about their ice or their cash or what they drive etc etc, that rap sucks

but eminem really tells a story in his raps and can be related to on different levels.

Ill be picking this up, now how long it stays in my cd player depends on what is on the cd.

Sorry, what's the rock n' roll cliche again?

I stopped reading this thread after that line (I only started because I'm always up for a laugh).  Some of you people are so hypocrytical it's unbelievable.

Agreed.  : ok:

I guess it's a different thing in rap and rock, since in rap you have guys with all the bling-bling, the fancy cars, the glamourous locations, dressed in fresh new sportswear, while in rock (at least in the older rock) you had dirty-looking scumbag junkies.  They do the same thing, but rap does it more clean and rock does it more dirty.

Moving back to the main topic of this thread...


Eminem has written a few good songs.  But I think that the quality of his rhymes are way, way overrated.  Hell, today there was an article in The Toronto Star that was all about comparing Eminem to Alexander Pope, the renowned 18th century poet.  Actually, any fans of Eminem should read the article, it's interesting...there are actually some resemblances.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1093903812149&call_pageid=968867505075&col=969048864582

Thing is, though, there's not that much art to his raps.  Where rappers like Outkast managed to add some actual literary devices in their lyrics - because, after all, rap is really a form of poetry, so it might as well be a little artsy - Eminem doesn't.  He just talks, and there's no real imagination or art in the lyrics (although there is a lot of wit).  Let's compare two of rap's most popular artists (albeit in different times) - Eminem and Public Enemy - on the topic of homophobia.

Public Enemy, "Meet The G That Killed Me"

Man to man
I don't know if they can
>From what I know
The parts don't fit
(Ahh shit)
How he's sharin' a needle
With a drug addict
He don't believe he has it
(Either)
But now he does, he doesn't know cause he
Goes straight to a ho
Tell you what who was next on the but
Wild thinin' on a germ
Runnin' wild
Yo stop
But the bag popped
Meet the G that killed me

Eminem, "Criminal"

My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That'll stab you in the head
whether you're a fag or lez
Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest
Pants or dress - hate fags? The answer's "yes"
Homophobic?  Nah, you're just heterophobic
Starin at my jeans, watchin my genitals bulgin (Ooh!)
That's my motherfuckin balls, you'd better let go of em
They belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of em
Hey, it's me, Versace
Whoops, somebody shot me!
And I was just checkin the mail
Get it?  Checkin the 'male'?


Yeah, Em's lyrics can be witty.  But they don't have that much art to them.  It's more like a comedy routine.  In that essence, Eminem is less like a modern Axl Rose and more like a modern David Lee Roth, but with a more psychotic edge.

ok ill admit i have "The Eminem Show", but i dont listen to it AT ALL anymore!! lol, i have to admit that album was pretty good. And when eminem trys, he can write some meaningful lyrics, such as "Sing For The Moment" which is lyrically fantastic, pretty good song btw. I doubt i will buy this new album, im not a big Eminem fan but i must admit he is a pretty good songwriter.

Some of Eminem's songs actually have art to them.  They're not just comedy routines.  Sing for Moment, for one, but there's at least five or six off The Eminem Show.  And, of course, from 8 Mile, most of his songs off the soundtrack are pretty amazing (well, the two I've heard anyway)

I know he's known more for the raps like the one you posted, but that's not the only kind he does.

Example (http://www.lyrics007.com/Eminem%20Lyrics/When%20The%20Music%20Stops%20Lyrics.html) (this one's long, too)

EMINEM GIVES BUSH BAD RAP

EMINEMhas made his dislike for US President GEORGE BUSH clear on forthcoming album 묮NCORE?/strong>.

Retailers in LA got early listens of the Dr Dre produced album at a party hosted by Interscope president Jimmy Iovine, and say that much of the content is politically charged.

One said: "The cuts we heard were very political. Eminem뭩 distaste for the Bush administration is pretty clear," reports Rolling Stone.

Longtime collaborator Dre and 50 Cent both appear on the album, which is tipped by retailers to shift over one million copies in its first week.

"I think it's possible," says Kevin Cassidy, executive VP of retail operations at Tower Records. "Prior to ? Mile?/strong>, Eminemwas a premier rapper. Now he's a premier artist."

The album, which features new single 멙ust Lose It?/strong>, may also feature a limited edition bonus disc of songs that were leaked onto the net last year.


From:? http://www.nme.com/news/109949.htm


Meh, I don't want a full CD of tracks assaulting Bush... I mean, he might not even be President by the time the CD comes out.? I expect Eminem to be pushing the limits and suprising us, not re-recording We As Americans 15 times with a different beat.


Edit - My buddy just sent me the new single, it's called "Just Lose It".  Clearly following the Eminem tradition of starting the singles off with an upbeat tune.  I'll try to post lyrics if I can find or transcribe it.  I'm going to listen a few times before I say what I think, it caught me off guard, not necessarily in a good way.  If anyone is actually interested in hearing the song send me a Msg and I'll send it.

I dig eminem cause he has a great voice and his attitude reminds me of Axl Rose. He has great lyrics,
I don't think i will buy his album but i will definately give it a listen. Also i liked a lot his appearance as Axl tose on the awards

Eminem has done it again... insulting other artists... (Madoona, Christina A. and M. Jackson.) : ok:

Anybody seen it yet??

In the end of the video, M.J(with burned hair :hihi:) is sitting on a bed, with children jumping around him... :rofl:

Radical.

Oh Chris just touch my body.

Eminem's still around..i thought his 15 mins were up.... :P

Eminem's such a quality musician, he can make fun of artists who are more successful then he is.

Hasn't he made like three other videos with the same boring message?

My friend told me this video was really lame, and I have to say that my reaction is somewhat mixed.  Like Gunner80 said, this is the exact same thing he's done for like three other videos, which is that he dresses up like various famous pop-culture figures and lampoons them.  He did the same thing in "My Name Is", "Without Me", and maybe one other.  The only difference is that this time, except for Bad Santa, everybody he makes fun of is from like 15 years ago: Pee Wee Herman, Arsenio Hall (I think), Madonna, Michael Jackson (the old one): it seems that Eminem has just made the most topical video of 1989.

The song itself is catchy enough, even if it seems almost exactly like "Without Me", right down to the fact that he had to kick off his new single with the same beginning of "Without Me".  Pretty unoriginal.  As I said, though, despite not being too original, it's kind of catchy.  It seems to me to be the most straightforward dance-oriented song that Em has put out yet, one of those tunes where he actively encourages people to "go out on the dancefloor", as opposed to just talking about how controversial he is.  This is probably gonna be a popular tune at high school dances for the next several months.

At the end of the day; it's not even music. Next that cheap arse-wipe will have-a-go at bands like Metallica or Slayer or GnR, if he did there would be hell to pay.

I thougt the video was great!  :hihi:

I'm a big fan of certain rap music and he's at the top of the game.

I've heard certain rock bands doing the same thing over and over again for years, nothing wrong with that, stick to what you're good at.

I have muchos respect for you "I don't call it rap music, I call it crap music" peeps.  It's awfully cute.

I've only seen the video once on launch.com, and it was low quality.  I can't really judge, but it does appear to be a very unoriginal video. I'm really starting to like the song though... at first I was a little sketchy, but it has it's moments (A chick cutting one on the dance floor, Em beer goggling Dre).  Typical Em, release something to get everyone laughing... next will probably be a strong single about the (hopefully former by the time it's out) President.

Going on 6 years... : ok:

How long were Guns N' Roses around for again?

Wow, as long as Take That. He must be good.

I'm sure in a few more years there will someone new and popular that will make fun of Eminem.  We all know that this goes in cycles and relatively few artists stay on top for long.  Remember how popular Vanilla Ice once was?  They all crash down eventually and move to "uncool" status. 

Youve missed the point...

The point, simply put: Its no "15 minutes".  Like it or not, hes been an icon for over 5 years now.


You do understand theres a huge difference between Vanilla Ice and Eminem, right?  Vanilla Ice was an extremely short-live phenomenon whose success was based on primarily one hit and he had very little credibility.

Eminems been the biggest music entity out there for more than half of a decade now.  I dont have to go over his accomplishments or critical acclaim. 

Like I said, if you dont like him, fine.  But theres simply no denying how important he is in terms of the music industry and pop culture.


 ???

Well, GNR were truly active (and popular) for 6 consecutive years - '87-'93.  You could argue that they were around longer, which is true, but then youd have to take into account Eminems pre-stardom run as well, which would give him more than 10 years.

You've missed the point.

The point: Because you have been around a while doesn't mean you get credibility. IE: Take That.

 :confused:

Like I said, that wasnt my original point.  I responded to a posters mention of "15 minutes," something that obviously doesnt apply to Eminem.  Where in that first post did I say anything about credibility?  Exactly.

Now, Ill comment on your own misdirected point.  No, simply being around for awhile doesnt give one credibility...but obviously Eminem has plenty of credibility.  Check any mainstream publication since 1999, credibility isnt an issue with Eminem.  When youve got Rolling Stone dedicating entire issue to what an important genius you are (I believe they even compared him to the likes of John Lennon and Kurt Cobain...even Axl Rose), credibility isnt a problem.  I know all of you disagree with him being compared to John Lennon, thats not the point.  It speaks to just how credible he is.  Perhaps more importnatly, hes got about as much credibility within his own genre.  Hes higly respected by nearly every rap artist that matters. 

So, putting your own opinion of him and his music aside, where does his credibility come into question?

I know, but it's mine. I never replied to anything you said, infact I was left wondering why you responded to my post in the first place. I never said anything about "15 minutes" nope. Why bring it up with me?


I responded to Sky. My original post had fuck all to do with you. Look back, Sky tried to credit Eminem with being cool or something simply because he had been in the spotlight as long as GnR, I mentioned that Take That had been around that long as well, which makes his point invalid, the point that you previously missed.

I dunno why the hell we've had to sit here typing all this bullshit, but I suggest you read the thread next time.

Again, its you who has missed the point...and now youve dodged my question.

I dont think Skys point was to credit Eminem for "being cool or something" as you so maturely put it, but to prove how illogical it is for somebody to insinuate that hes a fluke or flash-in-the-pan when hes remained huge for 6 years, just like everyones favorite band.  And again, I pointed out that credibility and longevity are two different concepts that neither Sky or I tried tying together.  But lets try again since you brought it up: What makes Eminems credibility questionable, other than your own distaste for him?

No I haven't because your point has nothing to do with me. I don't care that he has stayed around for so long. I don't care. I was pointing out that irrelvant pop grouips can stay in the spotlight for that long, and comparing it, means nothing.


Perhaps I've taken him up wrong then.


I never questioned his credibility, you nutter. I said that comparing his longativity, did not make him a credibal artist.

Because you have been around a while doesn't mean you get credibility. IE: Take That.

 :hihi:

Are you kidding?  Youve completely contradicted yourself in two consecutive sentences. 

If youre not questioning his credibility, then why are you using Skys post (which spoke nothing of credibility) to make a point of Eminems credibility? 

Youre saying "Just because Eminems been around for 6 years doesnt make him credible."

Im saying "??? Nobody said that?  So why bring it up in a negative fashion, in effect questioning it?"

Youre saying "I never questioned his credibility."

Its really simple: If you dont question Eminems credibility, which you claim you dont...why point out "that irrelvant pop grouips can stay in the spotlight for that long?"  You know thats not the case with Eminem, its not even what Sky implied, so why bring it up?

There is no proven method for determining who is a "credible artist." Popularity obviously doesn't count. Critical respect doesn't count either; the Hives are garbage, no matter what the press says. Acclaim over many cultures doesn't count either; TATU and that damned Ketchup song are examples of many people, of many countries, all being stupid all at once.  :rofl:

I don't even think time determines who is great and who isn't. Bands like Budgie are great classic rock, but have been forgotten by most people. Losers like Boy George have not.  :rant:

Maybe not enough time has passed. But then again, I doubt ANYTHING we listen to now will be remembered in 200 years.  :-\

Look mate. I have no idea about Eminems creibility, I have never questioned it. Has he got some? I don't fucking know. All I am saying is, just because a band has been around, does not mean that they should be given credibility. Read my posts, I cannot make it any clearer.


Jesus motherbitching christ. Did I not say "Perhaps I have taken Sky up wrong?"


But I thought that was what he implied. I SAID I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT HE IMPLIED. Read man, read. I cannot be any more clearer than actually saying it, and I have. One to type, one to read, that's how internet conversations work.  :hihi:

You put enough factors together and you get an idea...Eminems background lends him "credibility."  He was an independent artist that workedhis way up from the bottom and earned the respect of his peers in the process.  Acceptance among ones peers counts for credibility.  In mainstream press hes just as revered.  Rap, rock and other journalists have generally expressed respect for his talent. 

I hate to sound like a huge Eminem fan, because Im actually not.  I appreciate his skills as a rapper and writer, but dont care for most of his music - especially lately.  Ive found most of his recent work (nearly everything post-Eminem Show) to be extremely boring and lame.  However, I feel a need to set uninformed misconceptions straight.


Lets not forget thats only your opinion...

I wish he could come up with a new idea when he comes up with the first single and video for each album.

I saw it today - well MTV shows it 100 times a day

Its horrendous and the song is just as bad

I have his last three albums and i'm glad i won't need to find 10 quid to get this.

I think the video like Eminem himself is absolute pants.

I also think its racist. But hey whats new with Eminem. Id like to see him do a video throwing up over 2pac or snoop?

Speaking of MJ' credibility, he has more than Axl Rose right now. He still releases albums when he's being threatened with jail time. Axl takes 10 years?

Anyway I love em both!

peace

BET just banned the vid. I guess I aint the only one who thinks its racist and demeaning. : ok:

Exactly. At the end of the day we all know that it's a waste of time talking about Eminem, even as I type I am wasting energy that could go to more useful things like wiping my arse.

You didn't whipe your ass after going to number 2? Dude that's gross, you really should get right on it.

I've never really had any problem with Eminem...

...He makes music that a lot of people enjoy, so what?

Eminem is nothing more than overrated MTV trash.  That is the bottom line.  I don't give a fu(k who he slags off in his video, he just looks more pathetic every day.

1. Eminem does not make music, he talks over some things which can be classed as sound effects.

2. People aren't in it for the 'music', they are simply listening to it to point out the rudest word so they can giggle to it.

3. I always maintain a high-level of hygene, thank you very much.

ok... it's my turn for an Eminem rant.

He pukes on MJ, shows his ass...most videos are just supposed to be jokes. His launch singles for albums are upbeat and stupid in terms of lyrical content (and the music sounds like it was produced by Barney). I understand that it's all in fun... but that's the thing. I'll listen to them a few times or dance to them, but I don't cherish them; they don't make think, and they aren't challenging. It's music for teens and kids. It's like what like Eminem responded to a question by Master T about mainstream Hip Hop and his singles "you gotta take it for what it's worth... it's worth nothing".

beats behind his songs or mainstream hip hop rant in a point formish manner:
if you think for one second that making beats is as complex as arranging a more melodic song, you're just naive. Hip Hop is obviously percussive in nature. That combined with the current way the vocal parts are arranged makes it real hard for the music to really go in different directions in one song.
A person with no musical skills whatsoever can create loops on a computer a lot easier than trying to learn an instrument. Is there anybody in Hip Hop that can come close to Prince's skill? Andre 3000 is the first person to really bring something fresh to the mainstream with a diverse album with real instruments, but where are the others following along? Master P once told Rick James he only wished he had an ounce of Rick's talent.

I'm just waiting for someone to really energize hip hop. All we have now are recycled loops from the 80s... not that mainstream rock is any better.  guess I just prefer melody

His next single, called "Mosh!," promises to be more provocative since its an attack on the President.? Hopefully its good, too.


I somewhat agree with your general idea.? Hip-hop producing doesnt necessarily require the same musical skill level as most traditional musical compositions (although you could argue the same about a lot of rock, particularly punk music), but thats really not the point.? Rap is inherently derivative in nature (like most music really), but theres still obviously a level of skill and creativity there, its just different.? DJ Premier cant play a guitar solo like Jimmy Page, and Jimmy Page cant chop up a sample and create a beat like Premier.? Its up to the listener to decide whether one appeals to them, but the point is theyre both completely different, they both require skill and they both appeal to people.?

About Andre 3000 being the first to use real instruments in mainstream, thats very, very wrong.? Now, your definition of mainstream might differ from mine but Stetsasonic, formed in 1981, used a live band.? The Roots have used a live band since the early 90s and continue to do so.? RZA used live violins to awesome effect on "Reunited," and violinist Miri Ben Ari is appearing all over new rap songs (produced mostly by Kanye West).? Outkast (not just Andre) have been using live instruments.? Then theres the countless producers (especially RZA) that use pianos, keyboards and synthesizers to create completely new, or mildly derivative songs.? Its much more a part of hip-hop than you, or many others realize.


Thats largely because Master P is marginally talented.


Gotta agree with this, except for the bolded part.? That would be accurate if this were 1997, but nowadays everything is synthesizer bullshit.? Or sped-up soul samples (which Im actually a sucker for, and have plenty of melody since theyre based on great soul songs).? Although I personally dont look for much melody in rap.? If its there, great.? But Im just as content with Chuck D yelling over sirens and chaos, or Rakim rapping over nothing more than a hard breakbeat.? Very little new rap appeals to me right now...and the same goes for new rock.? :no:

Just to clarify... I was pointing out that a Guns N' Roses fan was talking about Eminem's "15 minutes of fame", when they were both at the top of their respective genre for the same amount of time (not that the amount of time makes someone "cool" or "credible", but that it's clearly not "15 minutes").

Don't read into it so much just because I'm an Eminem fan.

"About Andre 3000 being the first to use real instruments in mainstream, thats very, very wrong.  Now, your definition of mainstream might differ from mine but Stetsasonic, formed in 1981, used a live band.  The Roots have used a live band since the early 90s and continue to do so.  RZA used live violins to awesome effect on "Reunited," and violinist Miri Ben Ari is appearing all over new rap songs (produced mostly by Kanye West).  Outkast (not just Andre) have been using live instruments.  Then theres the countless producers (especially RZA) that use pianos, keyboards and synthesizers to create completely new, or mildly derivative songs.  Its much more a part of hip-hop than you, or many others realize."

By mainstream I mean rreeaaal mainstream, which is what Outkast have become. They were around for a long time, their last record blew them up a bit, but their latest really vaulted them to the top. I think it's because things were getting stale, people liked something different. RZA is great, I love his instrumental stuff and his sound in general. I'd like to see what would happen if a band like Air would team up with some hip hop group.

And about the new Eminem single "mosh!", hopefully it can contribute something instead of just ranting. Because ranting is as far as most a lot of political songs go... offer a solution or something!!

Jackson Seeks Ban on Eminem's New Video
(AP, 10/12/2004 3:15 PM)

Michael Jackson is reportedly angered by the way he is portrayed in rapper Eminem 's recently released video "Just Lose It." The pop singer is said to be so upset that he has asked networks to remove the video from their rotations.

"Michael Jackson is very angry. He feels that Eminem has crossed the line," Jackson representative Ramone Bain told the Daily News in Tuesday editions. "Michael is calling on all networks to pull the video."

In the video, Eminem appears dressed mockingly as Jackson with a group of boys in the background, jumping. Then he sings the lyric in reference to Jackson's child molestation allegations: "Come here little kiddie, on my lap. Guess who's back with a brand new rap..."

Later in the video Eminem also ridicules plastic surgery done on Jackson's nose, and an accident in which Jackson's hair caught on fire while filming a Pepsi commercial in 1984.

So far, Black Entertainment Television has agreed to pull the video, and was expected on Tuesday to announce that it is removing the video.

"Michael feels the video is disrespectful and offensive...it's one thing to spoof someone, it's another to be completely insensitive and disrespectful," said Bain.

Yeah, but it takes years of practice and hard work to learn how to play guitar like Jimmy Page, and comparatively little time to learn how to chop up a sample and create a beat.  And let's not forget that Page knew was a wizard in the studio, and produced all Led Zeppelin's albums.  I just think, collectively, he had more talent by any measure.

Not necessarily...

It depends on the person's natural ability.? Theyre two different methods of music-making, and two different sensibilities.? Its possible that as amazing a guitarist as somebody like Jimmy Page is, he might not have any ability with sampling, chopping, scratching, etc.? But thats not wha he does, so it doesnt matter.? ?


Thats what it comes down to, which one you find more appealing and worthwhile.

Eminem's Video For Anti-Bush Song 'Mosh' Hits The Internet

Michael Moore, the "Fahrenheit 9/11" filmmaker who tried his hand at directing music videos with Rage Against the Machine, would certainly approve of Eminem's new clip, "Mosh," which has just hit the Internet.

A scathing indictment of President Bush and the war in Iraq (see "Em Changes Targets From Jacko To Bush On New Track 'Mosh' "), the animated video begins with the jarring image of a commercial airliner flying over a school and then exploding offscreen. The point of view then zooms into the school, where Eminem is reading a children's book to a class in a scene reminiscent of the minutes following the 9-11 attacks, when Bush was at a Florida elementary school reading to second graders. Eminem is holding his book upside down.

From there, "Mosh" moves to Eminem's apartment, where the walls are covered with articles critical of the Bush administration and its policies. Filled with anger, he puts on gloves and dons a hooded jacket. Clips of Em rapping the track are then interspersed with scenes of domestic problems facing the country, such as racial profiling (an animated Lloyd Banks is harassed by police) and poverty (an inner-city family receives an eviction notice as their TV set shows Bush promising tax cuts for the wealthy).

"Mosh" portrays Eminem as a powerful rebellious figure who just by using his voice and music has the ability to mobilize people who are fed up with the president. With his following uniformly dressed in dark hoodies, the group looks to be storming toward the White House but actually end up signing up to vote. At the same time in the song, Em talks about the people assembling to disarm what he calls the real weapon of mass destruction: George W. Bush.

A pro-vote message is tagged on at the end of the clip, directed by Ian Inaba of the Guerrilla News Network, which is hosting the video at GNN.tv. Eminem's Encore is due November 16.

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I haven't seen the video yet, but I just downloaded the song.  My personal opinion?  I think it sucks...  It sounds like a second-rate version of "White America".  The beat isn't good enough to carry the whole song, Eminem's flow is too slow, and I'm not overly impressed with the lyrics.  Anyone else had a change to listen to it?

watch the video, i think it may influence your opinion...

Okay, the video is very atmospheric and well-done for an animated web video, but the song itself is a little on the weak side.  It didn't really jump out at me or anything.  Still, at least he's doing something different, lyrically.

Don't think it'll age too well, though.  At least not if Kerry wins the election.

Those who give a rat's ass about m&m aren't even registered or old enough.

Poor Emimen - guess album sales have collapsed and he needs to despertately convince people he's ''controversial'' again

His whole career has been based on him being alledgedly controversial - but the fact is - he isn't, whats he done that genuinely controversial?

I like eminem, he has an interesting way about him.. Most people just bash him because he does those silly vids, but not everyone listens to the albums... I think he's very talented and it has some shock value, he just says what he likes..

We're all fans of a guy who rants and speaks his mind, so I think it's all good..

But Axl is controversial he doesn't think to himself 'what can i do to turn head's?' - whereas Eminem needs songs about killing his girlfriend and stupid videos - its all so forced

Additionally when Axl speaks his mind he usually is making a point of some value - Eminem just has a go at people who have a go at him.....but only because he deliberatley provoked them!

I don't think he needs anything, he chooses to sing about issues he doesn't like.. His mother, his problems, his political views, fcc, and things of that nature.. Even lose yourself is based on his "battles" like in 8mile.. Alot of Mc's have said that song alone describes it perefectly..

Do you ever think axl forces stuff on people, sometimes it's a bit selfindulgent with no special message, failed relationships and things of that nature, being anti press..
Different issues but all the same..

I enjoyed his new video/song with his anti bush campaign..

I don't understand, this is a music message board yet you talk about Eminem?

wow.  profoundly original.

Anyway...I was just thinking, upon the return of GN'R, its probably inevitable that Axl will fall under the parodies of Eminem.  I mean, don't you think its only a matter of time before he makes some kind of wisecrack about Axl?  I wonder what kind of showdown would pursue...just a thought

Well, he already dressed up as Axl at the VMAs.  Isn't that enough for the time being?

A feud between Axl and Eminem would be pretty cool, but it probably won't happen.

Shows how much tv i've been watching...that one passed right under the radar.   I think you're right though, Axl is getting up in the years to get in a fight with a 20's something rapper.

Actually I think it was the MTV Movie Awards?  Some of the guys from D12 were dressed up as Buckethead and Slash too.  I thought it suited the performance, pretty funny.

Oh and Izzy, Eminem was rapping about stuff like killing his wife BEFORE he even got signed to a major label.  That's the thing, nobody would take a chance on him except Dr. Dre.  The funny thing is, you would probably be one of these people that ALSO say "Aww, rap music is just a bunch of guys talking about their bling and their hoes".  Well Eminem DOESN'T do that... he does something completely different, and you say THAT is bullshit.  It seems like your comments are based on what you've seen in videos like "My Name Is" and "Without Me" (or "Just Lose It").  If you actually listened to an album, you'd see that there's maybe 1 or 2 of those tracks an album.

I still haven't seen this video, but I'm going to track it down now. 

Yeah, I changed my mind a LOT about eminem. I think hes the only talented person in the music biz nowadays. He s the olnly rapper that doesnt sing about cars, women, party, like the others (50 cent, Snoopy Dog etc). You can say whatever you want, but he will be remembered in 10, 20 years.

And that song, Lose Yourself is fucking awesome

Exactly he's bring something different to the table, he's not just doing the bitches, hos, bling bling, rims bullshit, he's actually expressing himself and saying how he feels.. He's not just going along with what's cool

To act like the man isn't talented is crazy, he doesn't do songs like those parodys in his albums, that's something the public sees.People who listen to his albums know..

When he sang with dido, he did great, the song itslef is very true and I could see something like that..

He did a anti bush song because it's the way he feels, he never like chaney anyways// It's not like he's hanging out with kerry, he just used his stage to say what he wanted..

I do own all his albums....

Yes..he sang about stuff like killing his girlfriend and how evil black women were before he got signed.....and maybe that's what got him signed in the first place? Again controversy bailing him out.

Fair enough... I suppose you can think he relies to heavily on being "controversial".  Personally, I think on top of his "pushing the limits of what he can say" he also expresses himself in a way that no other rapper is doing at this time.  He's also very honest.

I find it funny that you brought up the "black women" thing... because as it happens it's one of the things he addresses on his new album (Ironically enough, Em's black girlfriend's name was 'Kim').

They've moved the release of the album up from the 16th to the 12th... they didn't say it publicly, but the album has leaked.  I grabbed it off IRC last night, and I'm going to start a thread soon if I don't get in trouble from the boss-men for one-too-many Eminem threads.  Anyways, I think Izzy and many others will find some of the raps a lot more... let's say... "vulnerable", or maybe "not as controversial" as you've seen in the past.  I'll save my comments for the thread I make... but let me say this, the way he's played the Michael Jackson thing is hilarious.  Let's just say the "Just Lose It" video lured everyone in perfectly, unless they did some last-minute editing.

Well, I guess his plan didn't work.

 :-\  :rant:

eminem is awesome, i dont really dig poliitical songs though or those 9/11 tribute songs, i dont know im just not into that kind of music.


he has a great line in that rap.

telling george bush to strap on an AK get on the front lines and impresses daddy that way *or something like that*


eminem is the greatest rapper alive, he raps about relevant shit and doesnt brag about what he's got.

he is like Tupac was, he raps about shit that has meaning.

I'm not a big eminem fan, but I did catch this while channel surfing the other day.

The biggest thing I liked about it was that it was somebody actually saying something with their music. Whatever the format. He was speaking about something a little more heavier than  the everyday CRAP you see on mtv/vh1. And for that I was impressed. The music wasn't that great, but the video itself was moving and presented a mixture of real life problems, frustrations, and anger over Bush's bogus war.

It was hardcore and heartfelt. You just don't see that with music really anymore.

Also the Dixie Chicks said one little thing about the Prez and caught hell for it. So eminem knew it could be a problem but didn't give a shit. Good for him. Speak up, its what this country is all about.

 :rofl:

FUCK EMINEM the little white boy fuck!!!! :rant:

his new shit is just bullshit man, i'll admit, his M.M LP had some cool beats n' all but the man is just runnin' out of idea's for fucks sake.

Still impersonating Micheal J. for laughs is pathetic man, your time is runnin' out white boy!!!

It's Eminem Day.   ;D

So the album gets released early today because it leaked to the internet.  I've had it for about a week now, and I fuckin' love it.  I wasn't too hyped for this CD after listening to "Just Lose It" and "Mosh", but this really is a good CD.

Now I'm not sure how the skits usually work on these discs, like whether or not they are added last minute, but there's two referring to Michael Jackson.  If they were recorded before the "Just Lose It" video was released, then the guys at Shady/Aftermath must've hired Miss Cleo.  In the Paul Rosenberg skit (there's one on every Em CD) he says something like "You're not going to be suprised, but Michael Jackson is pissed over the Just Lose It video".  Aside from the skits there's a line in "Ass Like That" that says something like "What do you mean my lawyer's too busy with Michael?"... so I guess they knew how the King of Pop would react.

The special edition in stores now features three extra tracks (two of which leaked last year): We As Americans, Love You More, and Ricky Ticky Toc.

We As Americans was the song with the line ("I don't rap for dead presidents, I'd rather see the president dead.  It's never been said, but I set precedents") which sparked that investigation about whether it was a threat or not.  Anyways, it's interesting that the version included on the album is edited so "dead" gets muffled.

Em also apologizes for his beefs with Ja, Benzino, and also for The Source tape (the racist one about the black girl).

On Yellow Brick Road he raps:
"but it backfired, I was supposed to dump her,
but she dumped me for this black guy,
and that's the last I, ever seen or heard
or spoke to the ole' Foolish Pride girl,
but I heard people say, that they heard the tape
and it ain't that bad, but it was,
I singled out a whole race, and for that I apologize,
I was wrong, cuz no matter what colour a girl is she's still a...."

Any thoughts on all this?
Is anyone else planning on buying this CD?  General beefs with Eminem?

Enimen is a pu$$y. No one with musical taste would buy this.

Care to elaborate?   ::)

Eminem knows how to appeal to people who make end up making him rich. The same can be said for any ultra successful artist. I can't really relate to rap music but I do know one thing:

Making fun of Michael Jackson is lame. When half the world is taking stabs at Jackson, kicking him when he's down doesn't make you look like anything less than a pussy.

The man is so starved for lyrics he's starting to reuse phrases like "guess whos back, back again" come on, can't he think of something new to say? ::)

I have Eminem's last three albums but the man's way over the hill - and that was the case with the last album, when he is serious and leaves those talentless idiots in D-12 to rot he can produce some amazing music, but his albums are well over 70% filler and few artists oscilate between brillaince and travesty as he does.

'Just lose it' is just awful - its typical of modern music, when Eminem was good he proved rap doesn't have to be pathetic insecure individuals writing weak lyrics about gold chains, wow great, i can so relate ::)

I won't be buying this album and i am dissapointed because we all know what Eminem can do.

"Just Lose It" is not a good representation of what this album is about, in the same way "My Name Is" or "The Real Slim Shady" are completely different from the albums they were on.  I'll admit it's not a strong track... but the subject matter of the rest of the CD is a lot more interesting.


I'm curious... in "Ass Like That" Eminem is joking about checking out the booties of young girls like the Olsens or Hilary Duff and he rags on Pee Wee Herman in that song.  Is that considered "kicking Pee Wee Herman while he's down?
The skit makes it clear that Em is attacking the Michael Jackson of recent years....

You guys should check out the songs where he samples "Toy Soldier" and "Crazy On You"... the former is about how battles in hip hop shouldn't turn into violence, and the latter is about Kim... great songs.

Eminem has funny lyrics at times, but for the most part, hes crap. The only reason hes so popular these days is caus theres no proper music to guide people my age around. If u go up to some person on the street and ask "Who is Joe Perry", the one of the very forefathers of blues-rock, chances are the wouldn't know. Also considering that Eminem listens to Aerosmith, shouldnt people have the same sound as the idols?
Jet and The Darkness are the onlt good new bands that i can think of roght off the bat. Dont get me wrong, i like a bit of Sum 41 and Billy Talent, but honestly, in this lifetime i doubt i see any up-and-coming rock ledgends.

I love the Slim Shady lp...

...Eminem isn't best when he's trying to be funny. Or when he's trying to act tough. He is at his very peak when rapping about what a shitty world this is. And how poor he is. And that will never happen again.

I own the first (Don't start any Infinite bollocks to be coo), used to own the second, downloaded the third, and haven't heard sod all from the most recent.

Maybe I'm growing up...

...But I still think that the Slim Shady lp is fantastic.

"The Marshall Mathers LP" is one of the greatest cds ive ever owned period, not just greatest rap cd but one of the greatest, it is a masterpiece.

rest of his albums were ok but that one right there was great.

I?m not an Eminem fan but I must admit he?s a fun artist to watch and his songs are catchy.

You know that's what most people say about his records... Marshall Mathers is supposed to be his best and the rest are just ok.  I'm exactly the opposite, that CD is my least favourite of the 4.  It's incredible, but I just think the other ones are a few steps ahead.  I never got into the second half of that CD much.

I like Eminem. I think he puts out some really decent stuff, except for this album. I disagree that this is anything but juvenile crap. None of the beats are interesting at all. His last album "Show" was amazing. "Encore" just didn't anything for me, or anyone I've met who's heard it. This is the first I've heard from anyone that said it was good. I do have to say that his rapping has gotten better, and I do like the fact that's he's not rapping about anthrax on tampons and shit that's just sick.... now that I say that the puking song is pretty gay!

/AA.

i saw him on TRL this morning and i like Eminem, im not sure if ill pick this cd up or not, i was actually disappointed in the Eminem show, i listened to it bout 3 times and just couldnt get into it.  I dont know, i may pick it up if i have some spare cash lyin around one day

The guy had his peak with Marshall Mathers LP. I doubt he'll ever do anything better that that.

how much will it sell the 1st week according to you?

Well according to Hits Daily Double he's moved over 700,000 this weekend.  Since the release was pushed up to Friday those numbers are just over the weekend, but it will still put him at number 1.  I would've liked to see how much he'd sell in a full first week of sales... but whatever.



CHART PREVIEW: ?EM? IS
FOR "MONSTER"   
 
Eminem, Shania Twain, Toby Keith, Destiny?s Child, Britney, Others Wrap a Wacky
Retail Weekend

November 15, 2004

The usually neat and orderly world of music retail suddenly became a chaotic, every-man-for-himself jungle last week as the early arrival of Eminem and other key releases created a street-date-breaking frenzy the like of which hasn't been seen since the fall of Saigon.
Okay, maybe that?s an overstatement, but observers can?t help but be a little impressed with the number of release-date changes happening lately, first among which this week is Eminem?s Encore (Shady/Interscope), which in keeping with his last two releases was bumped up to Friday, but actually was being sold widely by last Thursday.

Encore is set to take #1 on this week?s chart easily, with a ?first weekend? tally of over 700k, as the picture becomes clearer later today when more sales reports have been processed.

Eminem?s early arrival put an end to Shania Twain?s hopes for a #1 debut with her greatest hits package, which has nevertheless seen a boost from the CMA Awards, as has Toby Keith?s best-of set. Both performed on last week?s awards barn dance.
 

n' when the man does a greatest hits there all gonna have 'guess whos back' :hihi:

The Micheal Jackson bashing is pathetic to me, im mean, when i hear someone bashin' MJ today i just think how desperate you are for ideas, it's been done n' done n' done again. ::)

I respect the man but the knew single is fuckin' annoying to the max, the real people making him money are little 10 to 15 year old G wannabe's , c'mon it's true, thats why we got him and the top 50 to go with it!!!

Not baggin' you Sky72, i just think the man has had his time :-\

Clintron u think he's had his time :o

The man's a black wanna be, thats why i see so many white people dressing and acting black because of Eminem. Big fuckin deal he can SPEAK fast, he has no idea what rap is about, most don't know that anymore.

i bought the album a few days ago, its definately his worst album so far....he seems to have lost the venom that made him eminem....most of the songs sound pretty emotionless.
and somehow he seems to have a weird infatuation with 50 cent

Really, honestly.......don't be an idiot.

I stopped reading after that.

I personally never cared much for Eminem in the past. After hearing Mosh I decided I would give Encore a chance. I liked it more than I thought I would but I'm just not sure if most of the songs are supposed to be tongue in cheek stabs at himself and other celebrities, in which case he achieved his goal; or is it supposed to be a serious look at todays culture, in which case I think he seriously missed the mark. "Mosh" shows he can make a powerful song when he wants to but do we really still need to hear about Michael Jackson, Pee Wee Herman, Jessica Simpson? If "Mosh" wasnt on this C.D. I would be content to look at Encore overall as just a pop it in the player when I want to have fun release; but with the inclusion of "Mosh" i feel let down that nothing else on Encore comes close to matching the power, anger, intensity, and desperateness of the situations brought up in this song.

On one other note who ever is singing the female part on "Spend Some Time With Me" has an absolutely amazing voice. Anyone know who that is?

710.000 copies in just 3 days

i dont think his 15 minutes will ever be up, he is a true icon! imagine if he had the whole 7 days on his first week sales?   wow!!!!!!!!

I agree, the "anger" you see in Mosh isn't present on the rest of the album.  He's got a little bit of fire on "Never Enough" (which is just a great song - Nate Dogg is the best), but the rest of the album is split between storytelling and "joke" songs like Puke or Rain Man.

I'm curious who the female is on "Spend Some Time" too... whoever she is, she really makes that song.  She sets a really good mood for it, definetaly one of the stand out tracks.  I'm really liking "Mockingbird" as well, the piano in that song is great.

Man.... if Eminem had a full 7 days on the first week, he would've pumped out like 1.5 - 2 million copies.  Definetaly not an artist that "won't be remembered 20-30 years from now" like so many here claim he is.

so how much copies "encore" sold for the 1st week? it's been 1 week now)

Well fuck.... in it's first full week of sales Encore sold over 900,000 copies... so in 10 days it's total is at 1.7 million (the same as "The Eminem Show" did in it's first 10 days). 

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000980248

Superstar rapper Eminem will retire from touring and making solo albums this fall, according to a report in the Detroit Free Press. The piece quotes sources close to Eminem as saying his final live performance will be Sept. 17 in Dublin, and that his 2004 album, "Encore," will likely be his last.

Eminem exploded into the mainstream in the late 1990s, having honed his skills amid the Detroit rap underground. He has sold nearly 29 million albums to date, according to Nielsen SoundScan; "Encore" has shifted 4.68 million since its release last fall.

Eminem's manager, Paul Rosenberg, told the Free Press that while "no official decision" has been made about the artist's future plans, "Encore" is "certainly the cap on this part of his career."

A source close to the situation offered Billboard.com a similar take, saying, "'Encore' was the close of the first chapter in his career. Beyond that, who knows?"

Like his mentor, Dr. Dre, Eminem (real name: Marshall Mathers) will transition into a behind-the-scenes existence of writing and producing material for other artists, according to the article.

Based on its cover art showing the rapper taking a bow, Rosenberg says he is "actually pretty shocked" more observers didn't begin to wonder if "Encore" would be Eminem's last album.

The theme is taken a step further during a video montage that plays during Eminem's set on the in-progress Anger Management tour. At one point, he is seen aiming a gun at his face in the mirror before placing it at his temple and pulling the trigger. But the weapon misfires, leaving Eminem to exclaim, "This is how you go out with a bang, baby!"

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Seems about right to me... Before his last album I was wondering what kind of title he would have since his original "trilogy" was finished (Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, Eminem).  Then he releases "Encore" which seems to end on a "the show is over" note.

I think he will still be able to contribute to the world of music if he focuses on producing and scouting talent, and this will end a near flawless run as a solo rapper.  The only thing I would change would be playing the final show in Dublin... I mean, he should at least have a big blowout concert at Ford Field or something.

Use to really like the guy - but this latest album is horrendous,?this album has produced some of the weakest songs I have ever heard - and i really liked the other three (well, the handful of songs that weren't blatant filler)

He should have retired an album ago, he's totally lost his way

looks like God hasn't abandoned us after all  ;)

My prayers are finally answered, right on dude : ok:

Why bash Eminem?  He's the Axl of the rap world.  Poor white trash becomes king of the world for a brief time.  Both contraversial, in trouble for use of fag ina song.  They're soul mates!!

I don't give a fuck if they're soulmates, him and the rap world are a shame to Rock n' Roll. I fuckin hate this generation, those rappers and their fuckin gay fans made me feel outdated for awhile. Like the Mtv Movie 2004 awards , when they mocked Guns n' AC/DC, I felt the whole world was against me. But we're now entering the 2nd half of the decade.The 1st half of the 00's hip-hop was powerful, the next half ,hip-hop will grow weaker. Say about the late 00's or starting 2010, mtv will fall and Rock n' Roll will  return and be powerful again! So Eminem's retirement may be a sign of good things....

Man!!! I thought that enceore might be his last but was really hoping it wasnt.....i think it was his weakest album so far and he owes us one more album atleast!
And seriously guys, bashing eminem just to jump on to the rock n roll bandwagon is not cool, the man is talented, atleast have the courtesy to admit it!

good for him. he always said he wanted to retire from the spotlight before he reached middle-age. Hopefully now he'll move on to just producing.

Like a lot of people i loved the slim shady LP and lost interest as he started releasing more and more shit. For me he's the most talented MC on the go; it's just a pity he raps about shit.

Eminem is extremely talented..I wasnt huge on his last album with the exception of the song Like Toy Soldiers which absolutely blew me away..But I just wish Dr.Dre would come back with his new album Detox

excellent...so where do i send the "good riddance" card?

Wow, MikeB, tell us how you feel!  How is rap a discredit to rock n roll?  They are 2 separate genres.  I hate to break it to you this way but usually when you start to feel outdated to probably are.  What's with the delusions of persecution?  "The whole world was against me."  How can the  whole world be against you and Axl at the same time?

Hallelujah! let me hear an AMEN!

your right man, trends n' shit usually change mid decade

yay

is this just US sales? or worldwide ones?
I can't believe GN'R sold 3 times more records than Eminem. It must be US sales.

Yeah, 29 million sounds about right for his U.S. sales... 5 a piece for his first and last, 12 for his second, and 7 for his third, I guess?  Would worldwide be that much larger?  I didn't think Eminem had a very big fan base outside of North America.

I wonder if the 8 Mile Soundtrack is included in those sales.  Lose Yourself was probably the most successful song he released (what am I saying 'probably'  ::)).

Best news ive read all year.

"Without me" was definitely the biggest song he has ever released.
I love it.

Eminem was the worst thing eva happnd 2 da world. his musik=shit and he cre8ed chavs. all chavs must die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s

And who's music is reponsible for you?  They should be shot...

I'd say 'Lose Yourself' was bigger than 'Without Me'... It won an Oscar and managed to cross over to most modern rock stations.

The music world is a better place without that lame piece of shit.  If Axl ever raps (that bit in the live version of Rocket Queen doesn't count for those about to jump on me) I'll disown him!

The man only served to help create the rap rnb bitches n hos craze that has swept the world.  And as has been said, Eminem must be the Godfather of all chavs.  And he ain't talented, he's just been cleverly 'placed' like the other talentless bastards he shares air-time on mtv with like Britney Spears etc.

Good fucking riddance.

p.s. did I mention I think Eminem sucks!

U blame Eminem for trends he was a part of - not the cause of, strangely enough rap and songs about gold chains existed long before Eminem was on the scene

He says he's not retiring, just "taking a break", and if he ever chooses to retire, you'll hear it from him, not from some news reporter.

http://contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/eminem%20slams%20reports%20hes%20retiring

Eminem is one of the top 5 rappers of all time and Unlike SHIT rappers, Eminem actually has something to say for the most part

He is a lyrical wordsmith that rhymes words that have no business rhyming and he is very creative and innovative.


I dont see how anyone but maybe black haters could trash Em, he is the greatest rapper of his generation

he shits on Jay Z,Ludacris,50 cent and I rank him only behind 2pac.

If rappers are so good at lyrics, they should go back to school and learn how to write stories, not music. Ah , I still say he's done, by the time his "break" is over , rap will be out of the scene. :yes:


In a celebrity's mind, they think a decade is only a few years to them.

Mike, what are you a retard?  Rap is not going anywhere.  It will not fade away or anything of the sort.  Not all rap is bad just like not all the 80s bands suck. 

Ah , I still say he's done, by the time his "break" is over , rap will be out of the scene. :yes:

I just don't agree.  I do understand that rap doesn't provide the same sort of wonderful goodness that an awesome rock song does, it still has it's place.  It's clearly not going anywhere.....

Agreed that rap music is not going anywhere, but I do think that, despite what he says, Eminem is done (obviously not for the same reason that Mike-rapmusic=crapmusic-B suggested).  I'm sure he will be involved in scouting talent and producing for a long time, but I can't really see him releasing another solo album.  :-\

How can I be retarded if I found out the true meaning of rap...

Retarded
Arrogant
Pussies

Music was created to know how to sing or play an instrument, those fuckers don't live up to any of those. Sure they have beats , but reading lines( excuse me, "rhymes") along with them ain't shit .

You sound like one of those parents from back in the day that would suggest rock music is the "devil's music" or that electric guitars are "just a bunch of noise".

There is a God....He loves us all so much :beer: :beer: :beer:

or maybe he just  thinks rap "music" is crap

Those are pretty much my thoughts.  I cant believe rap  music has taken over america.  Let me rephrase that, I cant believe gangster rap music has taken over america.  Are Americans that fucking stupid?  Basically Americans make millionaires out of drug dealers and criminals.  Maybe the average white businessman lives vicariously through rap music?   

RAP=CRAP w/out the c. Eminem escal8ed chavs. and all chavs shud die!no respect 4 them!!

What are you celebrating?  That Eminem denied reports that he is retiring? 


Oh yeah it's such a shame that everyone isn't listening to all the kick ass rock music that's out there today.  You'd be happier if everyone was listening to a group like Good Charlotte?  I know what you'll say, "there are good bands out there, top 40 radio doesn't properly represent rock music"... Well it's the same thing for rap.  You're all saying that you think rap music sucks... I find that funny considering most of you probably haven't even HEARD real rap music.  You think I'm defending Nelly or Chingy? No, agreed, rap about hoes and bling is "crap music".  Eminem is one of the few popular rappers that actually writes songs about other things and you're saying it would be good if he retires?


and U-R Kewl Becuz you TaWk n TyPe Like Dis!

yep indeedy

Rap has become like hair metal

U have your great acts: eminem,Outkast,Jay Z,Ludacris,Nas,Snoop? ? ? your oks:50 cent,the game,ja rule,nelly, Mike Jones is ok

and then u have your trixters,danger dangers,britny fox's etc etc in Chingy and most of all the other rappers


Its got out of hand for sure but the whole genre doesnt suck, its just record labels looking for something to sell to the masses.

Eazy your point is invalid because parents never used to say those things for the same reason.  The ones that thought that only thought it because they were told to think it by some clever dick who is now eating his words.  You'd have to be truly deaf to music to suggest that all rock is just noise.

Rap, on the other hand, gets less of a bad reputation from parents because it's not loud/noisy (even your pal eminem mimes, what a joke) and doesn't get slated by people like rock did.  It probably should because parents don't seem to mind buying their kids rap cd's with all that gay gangsta shit on it, even though it's more blatantly obscene than most rock music.  Axl wrote some bad-ass lyrics but how often did he promote shooting 'niggas' and cops and slapping hoes around?

And musically I don't care what anyone says, it's fact that rap is down with Good Charlotte and all those bands even you hate as the lowest forms of music.  Possibly 2% is any good.

Nothing personal, but you're wrong!

eminem knows exactly when to insult others in his songs in order to gain popularity...most of his songs contain dumbassed insults...hey michael jackson going through a trial, yea lets insult him because thatll make him look cool to morons, insult moby, elvis, whoever i dont care.....drug use, rape, killing the mother of his children...what a waste of time for anyone's ears

That wasn't my point... my point was that he was whining about a genre of music that he doesn't understand because he's close-minded.  Maybe if you guys were more open you would end up eating your words on this one (that's what happened to me, I used to say all the same stuff as you guys).  You'd have to be truly deaf to suggest that all rap music is *ahem* "gay gangsta shit"....but look:


I can think of three cases that are along those lines off the top of my head, not to mention he beat-up his girlfriends.  Kanye's count for that stuff would be... 0.



Again you're pointing out music from the radio.  So he has maybe one or two songs where he throws insults at pop-stars, the rest of his album is a different story.  Of course, none of you guys make it that far because it's so much easier to write him off for making "well-timed insults".


You realize you're on a Guns N' Roses message board right?  Was Mr. Brownstone about learning how to dance?  Did Axl mean his mother turned into an actual vagina on Bad Obsession?  (As for insults, you seem much more forgiving when it's Axl saying "Bon Jovi can suck my dick!", "Some pussy ass writer at NME is living in my ass!", "Warren Beaty is a motherfucker!"  :rofl:)

"Yeah, but that's only one or two songs, they have lots of songs about other stuff!"

Yeah exactly.  Eminem has more to talk about then just the things you listed.   ::)

you sound very... bitter :)

cypress hills is great;
nwa is great.
you're shooting at MTV's bitches: eminem, 50 cents .. off course they suck. it's like dissing rock by taking Sum 41 as an example.

and come on, criminals and thugs ? cause a fag in leather pants with no underwear, make up like ho, on drugs, drinking boose all day is a great example for kids ?.

gimme a break.
you're bitter.
you dont like the music thats it. i dont like it either. but you're fighting when there's nothing to fight about.

i agree with IQ. insluting / dissing famous people is so easy and works all the time. the audience love to hear that.

axl never insulted anyone just to get a headline, eminem does it all the time...axl never wrote bad obsession btw

"Will Smith don't got to cuss in his raps to sell records - well I do, so fuck him and fuck you too"
"Who's Tony Blair, did he get his dick sucked?, oh he ain't shit then..."
"I do promote violence and I don't give a fuck."
"I hate bitches. [One] fucked up, and it made me look at girls as sluts."
"I don't want them once they turn 18"---Eminem On Britney Spears & Christina Aguilera
AHHH!) Slut, you think I won't choke no whore til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more?!
it'd be Jennifer Lopez, and Puffy you know this! I'm sorry Puff, but I don't give a fuck if this chick was my own mother I still fuck her with no rubber and cum inside her
I'm anti-Backstreet and Ricky Martin with instincts to kill N'Sync, don't get me started These fuckin brats can't sing and Britney's garbage

im sure i can find plenty more but id rather listen to real music in the real world, kids are idiots for listening to this hyped up shit

Word, homie. :hihi:

But seriously , I think Rap has robbed Rock and Roll's "bad-ass" image completley. Just put the music aside and think closely,they are a lot alike.
                                                                                   ....fucking theives, revenge is a must >:(

Are you trying to prove to me that he swears? or that his music isn't "clean"?

What I find funny is that this guy comes out and says: "I'm going to say a bunch of shit to get a reaction."? And what does everyone do?? They react.? Parents complain that he's a terrible influence on children, close-minded rock fans complain that he's ruining the music industry and he has no talent.? Everyone takes notice of him, though.

I'm not saying he is talented BECAUSE of that.? He's an interesting artist because he speaks his mind, it may not all be sunshine and flowers, but he's honest.? Not only does he do that, but he raps it... rhyming words that don't even rhyme at a speed that most people can't touch (while still sounding as clear as day).

Also, nice job dragging up 5+ year old lyrics... Have you still not figured out what happened when he released his first two albums?? ?::)? He even lays it all out in "The Way I Am", but people still don't get it and keep whining.? Not to mention that on his latest 2 albums "Slim Shady" is non-existent.? He writes songs that are serious, jokes, political, personal, or straight storytelling and the fact you would try to "group" all of his music together like it's "all the same stuff" just leads me to believe that you're just sour that your favourite genre of music isn't on top (I know this is true for MikeB).

word, nigga.

Eminem is a meanie

I agree with IQ, Eminem is very childish using celebreties for his lyrics because he has no real life to write about

 :smoking: Izzy :smoking:

im trying to say that what he does comes across as getting attention just to make more sales, insult anyone who is popular or on the slide will merit him mentions in music magazines, fan magazines, blogs, emails, forums, conversations whatever...its a form of marketing and kids are so too innocent to realise...everyone takes notice but not because of his talent, more because of his controversy

well of course people are going to react...its human nature to react and proact...he proves nothing by doing that...what is he trying to achieve? a reaction by insulting someone? look in the real news and you see that happening all the time..so what is he trying to achieve?

...i dont doubt he is a writer that is, in some ways, very talented but he loses respect by some of these pointless comments and lyrics

Oh no, Axl never insulted anyone for headline?  How about One in a Million?  He only insult 2 huge groups of people (fags and N###ers) 

you know, that would make a great topic in the gnr part of this forum...but i doubt he went out to make headlines with this song ...the lyrics were written from personal experience as well as only applying to a minority of people as he never meant all blacks and gays, he was probably a little naive when writing these lyrics and in retrospect I think he would have altered the lyrics to reflect what he really meant ...im sure there are many on this forum that know more about this song than I and could probably explain it more clearly...also axl, i believe, has/had a form of manic depression and is/was prone to mood swings which makes these lyrics forgiveable...imo 

Bad news for all of you Eminem lovers, he says he's not retiring now and will continue to make albums.  Viva la Rap!!

IQ, so since Axl's behavior is excused for mental reasons then I guess you gloss over what Charles Manson did because he had some mental issues too!

ahhh someone who is willing to challenge my logic...excellent...

are all crimes judged the same? certainly not...and neither can you compare a murderer with someone who swears no matter what his mental condition...also there are probably hundreds of mental disorders, all different...so you just cant compare them

it would be interesting to see what eminem looks like when he 40, bald, big belly. i wonder what he would sound like and if he hed still rap about the same things. does he have a girl freind? he probably gets lots of groupies

I was being sarcastic!   But back to the topic, what GNR did with Lies and their Grammy fiasco was to push the envelope, to create contraversy.  Gnr were huge when Lies came out and Axl had to expect some reaction to One ina Mil, just as Eminem does each and every album.  Eminem is a brilliant wordsmith and he says what ever he wishes when he wishes.  Although their artistic forums are vastly different, Axl in his prime and Eminem are quite similar.

I thought he kind of lost stride a bit on the last album - his first two were dynamite

EMINEM has pulled his entire European tour after being treated for ?exhaustion?.

The Anger Management 3 Europe dates were due to start in September, with support at the shows including D-12, Obie Trice, Stat Quo, Lloyd Banks, Young Buck, Tony Yayo, Olivia and Flipsyde.

However, all the dates, including shows in the UK and Ireland have been pulled. A spokesperson said the rapper is suffering from ?exhaustion, complicated by other medical issues?.

The shows are not expected to be rescheduled.

A UK spokesperson told NME.COM: ?Eminem is disappointed he won?t be able to come over to see his UK fans, and it?s unfortunate he?s had to cancel.?

Earlier in the summer it was claimed that Eminem was even considering retiring from live performance after this tour, a claim which was subsequently denied.

The star?s D-12 bandmate Proof said Eminem wanted to concentrate on production from now on. He told the Detroit Free Press that Eminem?s show at Slane Castle, Ireland on September 17 would be his last.

"Em has definitely got to the level where he feels like he's accomplished everything he can accomplish in rap," said Proof. "He wants to kick back and get into the producing thing. Why not bow out while you're on top?"

The Anger Management dates are in support of Eminem?s current album ?Encore?.


FUCK!!! I HAD BOUGHT TICKETS TO SEE HIM!!!  :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Serves u right :hihi:

Not a great way to treat his fans - maybe he's been talking to Axl.

I'm sure Eminem is about to have the Axl's syndrome...these 2 guys have A LOT in commun. Eminem is the Axl Rose of rap music.
I wouldn't be surprised if Eminem deseapeared for 10 years.

12 year old white kids in the suburbs all over europe will be crying in to their pillows tonight.

He is basically the only modern rapper that I like. Some people know him only by songs like "Just Lose It" and consider him a joke, but that's definetely not true. Ofcourse there are always som hilarious songs on his albums but there's tons of serious stuff too. He's wittie lyrics just balance on being plain offensive and completely genius. What I like is that he says what he thinks and doesn't hold anything back. He's first 3 albums are class imo  : ok:

I have to agree on some degree "Encore" was a huge dissapointment to me. Still there were a few decent traks there but mostly it truly was terrible. "Ass like that" in paricular was the kinda song you would nominate to be the worst ever. But "When I'm Gone" from the greatest hits leaves me some hope.

I'm a fan and I love that he doesn't hold anything back. I haven't seen him in person but I saw a special on HBO that was very decent. The curtain call disc is really good. Is that the greatest hits CD?

But WTF getting remarried to Kim and staying married for only like one month? Didn't they do this before and it didn't work? Strange personal life. Although my philosophy is once you try marriage, you never go back again. Once is enough to last a lifetime!  ;)

i like some stuff...but the only album i ever bought was his GH...there are even tracks on there that i don't care for...like the song  "Fack" is the stupedist song ever i hate it

The clarity & speed of his voice is just phenomenal.... He's got some songs I don't really care for, but he hasn't released a bad album IMO.  Encore might be the weakest, but tracks like "Spend Some Time", "Never Enough" & "Mockingbird" still made it worthwhile for me.

yeah he is incredible for that...i dunno if he does all his rhymes but some are just brilliant in their composition as well

Loved Marchall Mathers LP and the Eminem show. Encore sucked IMO. Saw him twice live, rap just sucks live also, but yeah, I still listen to the Eminem Show all the time.

I own all his Cd's, I agree that Encore is the weakest. Seems to have lost some of his passion on this one but even on this CD when he's on he's on.

I saw him a couple of years ago at the Amsterdam Arena, must have been the first rap show in Holland at a stadium. It was good.

I look forward to his "mixtape turned album" out in early December.

I think he's amazing.

I love Eminem, one of the only modern rappers I like.

No.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-2kk6s1axk

check this out. it's him and proof freestyling in a car outside eminem's house just after he got signed by dre, right before he blew up. freestyle is fire and you can just see how happy eminem is right there, carefree and knowing he is about to be a superstar :yes: puts a smile on my face makes me happy every time i see it, it's worth watching even if you're not a big fan :beer:

for any hip-hop fan this is the coolest thing ever, i'm not into hip-hop but this is cool shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H76m_E2kDwE



yeah you don't have to tell me it's fake but it's a damn good fake tupacalive :o

The new album is called Relapse and is out on 19th of May, the first single premieres tomorrow and is called "We Made You". Should be fire.
It's been five years since his last album. I expect this to be one of the best album in recent times and the best hiphop ever. Eminem's a fucking genius.

His last album was anything but genius.

Does anyone over 16 still listen to Eminem?   I dont know, songs about raping his mother seem kind of lame now..oh and I wonder how many Hailey tribute songs will be on this album?..Im setting the over/under at 4...I got the over...

I've never listened to him could never stand him honestly.

good quality here :

http://videos.onsmash.com/v/lFQbLXHBm5QJBzhW

as usual, funny video, and a good single.

Apr 7 2009

Eminem's 'We Made You' Video: Which Celebs Get Slammed?
From Jessica Alba to Amy Winehouse, here's an alphabetical rundown of Em's latest victims.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1608732/20090407/eminem.jhtml

Fucking Genius

He may finally be back

Last album was a huge disappointment

This song is sick! Catchy, hilarious lyrics and video... Em is back!!!

I think the lyrics and flow are good, song is OK. But the video and subject matter just feels like retreaded territory to me. I think he can do better than the stupid celebrity shit at this point.

His first single are always like that... If you want more serious stuff, wait for the album!

awesome

Eminem, ?We Made You? (YouTube): The next single after the tepidly received ?Crack a Bottle? from Marshall Mathers? upcoming Interscope album Relapse, due out May 19, comes complete with one of the cheeky rapper?s videos which skewer celebrities, but it?s a sign of how quickly the zeitgeist moves in this 24/7 Internet world that the topics seem a little like yesterday?s news. That hasn?t stopped the clip from causing controversy, as it takes on, among other things, Bret Michaels, Jessica Simpson?s weight, her boyfriend, footballer Tony Romo, Kim Kardashian?s butt, Star Trek (with Dr. Dre as Captain Kirk and Em as Spock), Lindsay Lohan and Sam Ronson, Ellen DeGeneres and Portia De Rossi, Sarah Palin, Amy Winehouse, Axl Rose, Jennifer and John Mayer, fart jokes and a climactic scene in which the hip-hop icon recreates the famed prison dance sequence from Elvis Presley?s Jailhouse Rock. Of course, the naysayers are out in force, pointing out everything from Em?s misogyny toward the ex-VP candidate (thank you for caring, Bill O?Reilly) to his homophobia regarding lesbianism (Idolator?s insight). I?m just wondering when Eminem became ?Weird? Al, but I still admire the guy?s ability to churn out naughty nursery rhymes to irresistible beats like some outre hybrid of Slick Rick and Andrew ?Dice? Clay. Eminem is still the court jester, the fly in the ointment, but he?s gotta be starting to realize it?s getting tough to outrage an audience that considers TMZ.com hard-hitting journalism.

Hits Daily Double

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DjDuC20OQQ&feature=related

D's favorite word is Genius. Everyone and their cousin is a fucking genius nowadays.

He doesn't parody Axl Rose.

That video is hilarious though, and the genius part of the video is, Everyone has bought into saying Eminem is "spoofing" and making fun of people.

IF u dig deeper into his genius, u will realize he is actually making a statement with this video. He isn't putting a bunch of celebrities on blast, the video is actually a social commentary on celeb obsessed culture and the way paparazzi and people buy into stuff.

The whole song is based off the stupid public outcries over dumb shit

the jessica simpson weight gain, how Palin was made out to be this hot sex symbol, the reality obsessed culture etc.

We're the ones who Made You"  is basically echoing a lot of what Axl said and how people think they own you cause you are famous and can say or do whatever they want about you or to you  because you are famous.

Social critiques have been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

Eminem doing one via a song is hardly genius or groundbreaking.

I didn't think so...I didn't see it.  And I couldn't watch the video another time to be sure.

Most of the media reported it as him mocking "Brett Michaels", plus the bleach blonde wig should have ended the argument before it begun.

obviously all genius isn't created equal. But considering how shitty music is today, i find this to be quite genius. Maybe that is an indictment on today's music scene.

Yeah, I've lost all hope on today's music scene :hihi:

If you like Eminem, I highly recommend Royce Da 5'9"

He's not as fast as Eminem, but I think his beats are way better and he doesn't rap about the same shit over and over again.

I & Me, Boom and Hip Hop are all solid tracks.

In the "My band" video for d12 he has a little GN'R parody, but it's all in good spirtits. He has been compared to Axl by Kurt Loder in an interview, and he also says of himself in one of his songs "Updated Axl Rose...". Personally, there are too many similarities to even mention. The type of childhood, coming from the midwest, making it in L.A., all the controversy, being icons for a generation, homophobia accusations, racism accusations, dueting with Elton John... The list goes on.

i think eminem has just ran out of things to say. his first few albums were excellent but he has tailed off a bit. there havent been any new songs that are up to par with his great ones like Sing For The moment, till i collapse or stan. its always great hearing dr. dre's beats but eminem just doesnt have it anymore IMO. maybe this new album will change my mind.

Sing for the Moment was just a couple albums  ago dude


I think his song "Stan" is one of the most brilliant songs ever written

what song?  ???


dude, how long is your list of brilliant songs?

Ah a music snob i see.

It's long enough to circle the earth 4 times over. :rofl:

So because its hip hop it can't be brilliant?

Stan and Lose Yourself are brilliant songs no matter what genre.

i dont know about Lose yourself but i would consider "Stan" brilliant.

That's the most reactionary, retarded attitude in the world.

what? where? me?  ???

Explain exactly how that's retarded

So you admit it's reactionary? Why don't you focus on that? "Retarded" was used as a figure of speech, to best describe the mindstate of the subjects involved.

So are u saying my opinion is retarded, or people who automatically dismiss hip hop?


couldn't quite follow that one.


There have been plenty of brilliant hip hop songs BTW

I just think he's lost that edge for the same reason a lot of artists lose that edge.

They become wealthy, don't live dangerous street lifestyles, get clean and mentally stable etc...

M is still awesome though.

And fuck that Asher Roth guy for ripping him off.

I agree but I think most artists have like a number of great songs in them and then after that, they still can do good stuff but nothing ever close to the height of their main stuff. Although Metallica proved this theory wrong with Death Magnetic which I personally think stands up with anything they've done.



Em's albums have definitely been going downhill since MM LP

Read my post again. I was referring to people who automatically dismiss hiphop, to clear up any confusion. I love hiphop with all my heart, and Eminem is without a doubt a goddamn genius.

I used to love Eminem, when I was 17...but I don't know, he is pretty cheesy now.  I mean I don't know if you can call him a genius.  He doesnt play any instruments, he doesnt sing, a lot of his best songs were "sampled" from other artists...I mean I guess you guys are calling him a lyrical "genius", but does rapping about whatever celebrity is popular really count as being a genius?  Lets not forget that he is always about 6 months too late with his parodies.  Example Sarah Palin, Jessica Simpsons weight problem,Brett Michaels, etc...and lets not forget when he did the whole Michael Jackson thing in the first video for his last album he was about a year too late on that one too...pretty lame if you ask me...

1st

if u judge Eminem by his "Singles" u are truly missing out on some great shit

His singles are meant to be cheesy/goofy and mainstream, but he has some gems on his albums.

I own all of his albums..including the last one that was complete shit.  I went through my Eminem phase just like everyone else, saw him in concert, the whole deal. But now all these years later it does seem kind of lame, almost like Limp Bizkit lame.  How many songs about Hailey does one need?  His squeaky voice just annoys the shit out of me now, along with his lame lyrics.  How are people failing to see how lame his lyrics are?  But whatever floats your boat I guess.  I am just shocked that he is still so popular, his last video is EXACTLY what he did 10 years ago, only he swapped a few of the celebrities out.

I don't usually compare though.

When I hear a song, I don't put it next to others when I hear it.

I don't hear a song from say Metallica and say, well that isn't Master Of Puppets so it sucks.

I just enjoy stuff for what it is at the time.

sure he has sort of overdone everything but its still funny. I want to see what the rest of the album holds.

I do agree his last album was shit.

How does this man release ever more inferior music?

Surely the law of averages means eventually you'd get it right??

For the first time I agree with Izzy on something. :)

This new single is no worse than "The Real Slim Shady", which, in my opinion, is torture to listen to... but look what CD it came from.  I wouldn't dare to jump all over Eminem for releasing a sub-par first single... IF he is going to have a great CD, it will be on the album tracks and not the radio-friendly song he dishes out to get things rolling.

It sucks that "releasing music" these days is the equivalent of "releasing singles to the radio"... People can't look past first singles these days to the point of record companies not even trying to sign/record/release anything more than 1-2 hot songs.  Attention EVERYONE:  Get some attention spans!

Hmm - perhaps some better advice would be Attention EVERYONE: Listen to good music!

Perhaps?

We all loved Eminem about 7 years ago when he was 'ohhh soooo cool' and we were about 15

...we've grown up - but he's still stuck in 2001....

What was once unique is now cliche, he's dull - only the bizarre costumes he wears in the videos seems to change now

3 A.M.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfJOG18_qw

not anymore it's not

I guess that was bound to happen... well everyone has their own way of getting ahold of this stuff.   : ok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQMkm1_FLdM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQMkm1_FLdM)

This song is straight fire. Relapse will be his best album yet, trust me.

The tracklist was leaked today:

01) Dr. West (Skit) 01:29
02) 3am 05:20
03) My Mom 05:20
04) Insane 03:01
05) Bagpipes From Baghdad 04:43
06) Hello 04:08
07) Tonya (Skit) 00:43
08) Same Song & Dance 04:08
09) We Made You 04:30
10) Medicine Ball 03:57
11) Paul (Skit) 00:19
12) Stay Wide Awake 05:20
13) Old Time?s Sake f. Dr. Dre 04:35
14) Must Be The Ganja 04:03
15) Mr. Mathers 00:42
16) Deja Vu 04:43
17) Beautiful 06:32
18) Crack A Bottle f. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent 04:58
19) Steve Berman (Skit) 01:29
20) Underground/Ken Kaniff 06:19

I think it is great the only features on the album are 50 Cent and Dr. Dre. Should be sick.

my mom.. is there really anything left that he haven't said about her?

what a fucking shock...what a genius.. ::) are these b-sides from "The Marshal Mathers" LP?

Maybe they made up and have a healthy mother/son relationship!  :D

hope not, who'd listen to that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VETuUlC3JOE


3AM video

this shit is fucking intense.

that song is pretty cool. i like it better than most of encore which is encouraging. whats the deal with his weird accent recently like in this song? i hope his voice doesnt sound like that on the rest of the album and its just the way he wanted to rap on this song.

I figure its due to the subject being a serial killer, so he is playing a character

So has anyone heard the album yet?

Or, if you don't like downloading leaks, how about the two new singles (Old Time's Sake & Beautiful)?


It seems Em is well aware of this...

"My mom my mom I know youre probably tired of hearing about my mom"

Listened to the album last night, gotta say I'm just not overly impressed. To me, "The Eminem Show" is his best work so far.

Has anyone else heard the whole new album? I was thinking about buying it but was a bit skeptical. I didn't care for Encore at all.

Its pretty good

This song I am listening to now "Beautiful" is pretty good

3am is awesome


its better than Encore.

Relapse is way better than encore, fave songs are 3.am, Beautiful and Underground at the moment. The whole cd is great though  : ok:

I also like the song "Same song and dance"

Its got a really good message for girls. And as a father with daughters, I get what Eminem is going for with this track. Chicks can't be ignorant and naive with dudes. Too many pieces of shit out there.

There may not be great standouts on here like "The way I am" or "Cleaning out my closet." But there are definitely good tracks. I like the album.

haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bC0A9TXpm0

 :rofl:

Thats fuckin awesome

I think Mariah Carey is done playing games!

 ;D

Old Time Sake with Dre is a classic and the best tune on his new cd

When I heard that Em made a new Mariah Carey diss track, I though "this is going to be fucking stupid".... I was wrong!  The whole argument is obviously childish, but his flow and the Dr. Dre beat are awesome!  This is even better than most of Relapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RK1CXJLiac

i really like the travis barker remix of 3am. overall i think the cd is typical eminen. i do grow tired of him poking fun at people that dont give a fuck about him. but overall good hooks, solid beats. it's a ok album.

Relapse could have used more songs like this.

An angry Slim Shady is a good thing.

Eminem sold 741,000 copies of his album last week! :o  That is ridiculous by 2010 standards.  Wow.  Anyone pick it up?

Proves that people will buy stuff they love.

too bad record labels cant realize it and keep feeding us shit.

I was going to buy it but he dissed Michael J Fox a couple times so i DL it out of protest.

UH, I just heard the new album Recovery. I haven't been in a hip hop mood at all lately and I was ... blown the fuck away by this album. Wow, its really great. Worlds better then Relapse and Encore. His self observations on these albums is great in some of the songs. I am really surprised Eminem had this in him still. Its kind of inspirational when I think about it. Like if Parents and the police had any sense at all, they would talk about this album with the kids. Eminem was always doing drugs and being a punkass at his height of his success. Then he clearly started losing it (uh no pun intended). But right the fuck here, he sounds better then fucking ever. The dudes clear abilities are showcased better then I have heard from him in a long time. This album might even prove itself to be a genuine classic. I am very very impressed.

might have to check this out

i like it alot too. his rhymes in "won't back down" are awesome and "love the way you lie" is the first song with rihanna in it that i actually like.

he even disses his past two albums in a couple songs lol

I will now go out and buy this CD.been listening and HOly Fuck! Right there with Marshall Mathers LP.

I've been doing some travelling and didn't even know this guy had a new album out. I've been hearing new songs of his around the place tho.

Fuck, you guys have made me begin an instant downloa.. er.. purchase of this one!

Skip bro how have u been? Long time no talk buddy!

Yeah its an amazing album!

I don't skip a song on it

faves though are "Cold Wind Blows" "Going Through Changes" and "Seduction" No Love is maybe the greatest Eminem song EVER WOW he goes off on this


Em has 6 of the top 100 songs on the Billboard 100! :o :o :o :o

No Love is an AWESOME song.  I'm also really into Space Bound & Talkin' To Myself.  There's a few songs that I'm just not getting into, but the more I listen to this CD, the more I like it. 

Oh hell yeah Space Bound is absolutely gorgeous!!

its now my fave song on the CD with No Love and the ones I mentioned.

Great new interview i just read -
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/201111/survivors-music-portfolio-eminem-rap

Bullshit!

If you don't stop changing subjects of the threads you post in, I will have to do something about it.




/jarmo

Ok Jarmo, I wasnt aware. Relax

Emin3m has had BEEF with a lot of people from time to time; infact its a really, really, really long list! He must have got somekind of a magnet I suppose. Now who could ever possibly even imagine such thing in the rap scene among rappers! I read on the internet that he is not into dominatrix (neither Matrix) but there is so much been said, its hardly for anyone to know really, except himself. (I do mean RELLY. Not O'Relly show, just, relly.) Damn, some people need to stop taking so much E................  !   
     
Great song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqj3tSVsWO4&feature=related

" So he just tortures himself, he has no fortune and wealth so he extorts someone else to get his dough "

I hope he will STOP collaborating with Dre on the next release & continue just as solo artist.  :yes:  Peace & Richard F- Cheese. :yes:

 : ok:

anyone else noted is "Appetite for destruction there's no suppressant for" in his Campaign Speech's track?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvqYabGI6HQ

Just because we skipped over a few years of Eminem want to make sure everyone has heard Rap God.  Probably my favorite Eminem song ever.  His talent shines through on this one, moreso than any other songs in my opinion.  I believe it still currently holds the Guinness Book of World Records record for most words in a song.  Was just revisiting his catalogue and forgot how good this one was. 

https://youtu.be/XbGs_qK2PQA

Em himself provided a couple of annotations to Rap God on Rap Genius...

https://genius.com/2312022

"The hook was the first phrase I thought of when I heard the track. I thought ?Okay, this has something to it and might be catchy but ? I?m a ?rap god?? Why? If I?m going to say that, I need to validate that.?

I don?t want to say it?s the crutch, exactly, but the theme of the whole song is: this is the only thing I know how to do. I don?t know how to do anything else, aside from play a little bit of basketball. Except if the Lions called me. I?m down to be receiver or something, or a running back. I?d be good for that."

I don?t ever want to be too braggadocious. If I?m going to brag, let me pull it back with lines like ?school flunky, pill junkie.? I?m a fucking waste of life. I?m a waste of sperm. I am a fucking outcast of society, I am a piece of shit. But I know how to rap. Other than that, I?m a fucking scumbag. I?m worthless. Or this is what I?ve been told.

Wow I love those quotes.  Makes me appreciate the song even more.  I like Eminem, have never been a megafan or anything like that, but when I heard Rap God for the first time I really REALLY realized how good he is. 

I was one of those who back in the early 2000's said that Eminem was the Axl Rose of that time.  I still think he is.  If I had to equate Rap God to a GNR song I'd say this is Eminem's 'Estranged'.  Its that good and that impactful.