Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i am horrified watching this shit!!!!  Hoobastank??? are u  kiddin me? that dude had to be the worst live singer i have ever heard in my life! im sick of studio magic!

anyhow, the reason axl will be an even bigger star after chinese democracy is released is simply cause there is no competition.

Axl had alot of incredible front men and rock stars to compete against in GNR's prime and still seperated himself from a very impressive list of frontmen.

Who could possibly compete with axl now? when kids, who are use to this shit music and frat boy pretty goofy dude frontmen sees a maniacal crazed,screeching, bad ass W. Axl Rose they are gonna piss their pants!

If axl gets his act together, releases a kick ass Chinese Democracy,gets rid of the rust from limited performing he will have a second coming that will be as big as his heyday!

D'you know what? I was gonna post the same. I won't say much cause it's almost 3 am and gotta get up early, but I was watching the vmas and that 3 little medley rock act sucked ass.

Man, those 3 bands can't play. I could even put a better show...

What in the world has happened to rock music??? or even music in general?

I have the same exact feeling. I was fucking cringing when I was listening to Hoobastank, I was eating Chunky soup and I started choking on my fuckin sirloin steak pieces when I heard that guy sing.

God Axl, we need u to release this album really bad and kill all this shitty ass noise that these people call music.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY NEEDS AXL ROSE. THE MUSIC INDUSTRY NEEDS A ROCKSTAR.

I know exactly what you mean dude. These so called 'rock acts' sucked severely. (except for Jet, they were quite good) The singer from Hoobastank was especially horrific. I mean nothin' stands out in this show, maybe Kanye West. (btw they played Slither as background music) This is so bad, so down the gutter. If an unbraided full leather Axl performed in this show he would kick everyone's ass. I mean, can you imagine, Queen doing We Will Rock You with Axl wearing his white leather jacket while singing with his power-rasp voice at the VMAs? He would blow everyone away.

Man this year's VMAs are depressing, atleast I liked some of the 03' VMAs, but this is.... :nervous: You could see it in Kurt Loder's face, we need 'something' dangerous, unique, and powerful. Where the fuck is W. Axl Rose?

goddamn it that fucker from hoobastank almost made me put my foot through the TV. Would Axl please release the damn album.

Kurt Loder is a great guy but he seemed unhappy on MTV now because he knows? his company sucks now. I mean MTV used to be so great, there was a spirit, they were great back in the days, they played great music and were more professional, but know this is just a marketing company WITHOUT PASSION FOR THEIR JOB.
MTV should move on, I don't recognize what was my favouriste music chanel back in the days. It sucks now!

All of what has been said is true but sadly MTV won't ever play guns because the only shows that play music video's are those like TRL and whatnot and Guns just doesn't fit the format. They will get their share of play on MTV2, but the music industry is ruled by MTV and Kiss FM and they only play the same set of shitty bands. Sadly GNR won't touch either forum and it will limit the amount of major exposure they get. It isn't 1991 anymore and MTV doesn't play music by real bands.

in the early 90's I used to see Guns n' Roses videoclips every day on MTV.

I couldn`t agree more. The VMA`s in 2004 are awful. They squeezed 3 rock bands into one time slot. Jet was pretty good, but Hoobastank and whoever the 3rd band was suck live.


 

i use to want GNR to be on MTV but honestly i hope they dont fit that image! im actually very happy VR arent on the VMA's.

Can music really be this horrible these days?  the worst hair metal band in the late 80's was still better than any of the bands on mtv now! holy fuck!!!!!!!!!


so does anyone agree with my "Axl will be an even bigger rock star than before comment?"

It has been just over 3 months since we last heard from Mr. Axl Rose since buckethead left but there is still huge interest in what the red head is doing and his long awaited album. Nothing official has come from the Gn?r camp in ages and their official web page still looks the same as it did after the aborted tour in December 2002. What we have gotten is rumors of Axl going ?nuts?, Axl playing a few new songs at some club, a new song being leaked on a radio show that no one heard and now new tour rumors and maybe a light at the end of the tunnel. These rumors being good or bad does not really matter, it just adds to the legend of Axl Rose and keeps his name in the media to keep people interested, just when you don?t think you will hear anything about Axl some weird rumor always seems to pops up.

Like him or not, Axl Rose is one interesting person and most often he is misunderstood. Some people like to think of Axl as an asshole, but that is just because Axl likes to keep to himself and he likes his privacy. Axl does not crave attention or look to make headlines, he does that with out even trying and sometimes I think that embarrasses him. I know a lot of Gn?r fans get p!ssed off at Axl because he has not been telling us his every move or what his plans are but I think that is a good thing. Axl seems to get himself in trouble every time he tells us about a possible tour, a possible release date or anything else for that matter. When Axl has told us about tentative tours or release dates and then those things fall through or dates pass by people bash him because they didn?t happen, that is why I think Axl doesn?t want to say anything until he is 100% positive it is going to happen. That is why I don?t think will hear from Axl until he knows the album is 100% done and the release date is set in stone. I don?t think Axl likes to disappoint his fans and this is his best way of getting our hopes up for the release of this album. Another thing fans need to keep in mind is that Axl wants to make the best possible he can, and he does not care how long it takes, this album will be his legacy. This album will make or break his career since it is his first album with out the old band.

A lot of old Gn?r fans like to think the new songs we have heard so far are not as good as the old bands songs, but that is not the important question. The important question is, are the new songs as good or better than the current mainstream songs on the radio today? And IMO the answer to that is YES. I think Madagascar, the Blues and Chinese Democracy are just as good if not better than a lot of the music on the radio right now, and those songs are not even the ?big guns? that Axl has in store for us.

If Axl does things correctly I think 2005 could be his year. He has a set of amazing players backing him up and they have all worked very hard on this album. The few people that have heard the album have all said how great or amazing the songs are, so I think if CD is promoted the way it should be it could be the best album of 2005. Axl and his new Gn?r could also be on top of the music world again. Just look at a few years ago the mtv mva?s. They got a huge pop and people were going ape sh!t. The U.S. tour was not as bad as some naysayers would have you believe. The U.S. tour did pretty damn well considering there was almost no promotion for it and no new album in sight. Just think of how the tour would do with the band having a hit single on the radio, the album being released, a possible video on mtv and proper promotion for the tour. I think it could be huge. All Axl has to do is release the album and let it speak for itself. Axl has to understand he can?t please everyone. Yes Axl will lose some of the old fans with the new band and new sound, but he will also pick up many more fans along the way. As bad as Axl sounded back then he sounded better than the crappy live bands tonight on the VMAs.

It is now time for Axl to take his throne back as the best front man in rock, others have tried but none have even come close to having Axl presence or aura. Axl holds his own destiny and legacy in his own hands. He can either be the huge star he used to be or he can just disappear again. Either way Axl Rose will always be one of music great mysteries. He had it all in the 90s and he can have it all again if he wants to, he just has to release the album and everything will fall into place.

Actually, I think that GN'R will be one of the only bands that MTV will play. I mean for someone who hadnt done anything for nearly 10 years, they were really enthusiastic about getting them to play for the VMA's in 2002, just look at the uncensored. I dont know, but MTV seems to be supportive of Axl and his new group. So who knows.....thats just my opinion.

I totally feel that. Where is the passion for music? Where is the passion to push the envelope? Where is this generation's musical revolution. There is no Appetite For Destruction, no Nevermind, no Black album (Metallica); there is nothing. Where is the desire to put someone out there that has the grasp and urge to suck these creative juices out of people's spirit. Kurt Loder seemed bored, and unimpressed. You could really see it in his eyes that he wished he was in the 1992 VMAs. W. Axl Rose has to release Chinese Democracy, for my generation. (I'm 14 btw) For all of us, this shit has gone on for too long and since about 1996 it has only gone downhill. We need a rockstar, we need a rockband, we need music revolution.

God damn Axl Rose, get down with it, "do it for the kids."

 :drool:

Yeah, the musical climate is piss-poor. Rock has become non-existent, with these generic emo/pop/light-rock angst ridden teens, not to mention the over-abundance of thie R&B/hip-hop shit. When Axl comes back with a kickass album and band, the world will easily be his for the taking.

The reason GNR closed the 2002 VMA's is because they were a novelty act at the point. Nothing more, nothing less. They would not have been lusting after them had they not disappeared. They came back, nothing happend after, and all is back to normal.

Here's a better question will the music industry LET AXL be big again...will they give him the promotion, the tv time, the radio play?Or has the music industry become so used to feeding us its premade cookie cutter stars that it no longer takes chances? FUCK MTV! :rant:

Like Dave Chappelle just said "Is there anything you guys don't like?" They're all a bunch of brainwashed monkeys. Once Chinese Democracy sells, GNR will be a hit on MTV. Thats the reason they were all over MTV before: Because they sell millions of albums. That's why MTV wanted them for the 2002 VMAs: Because they're the only rock band who never went out with a huge commercial disappointment. If The Spaghetti Incident? had come out in 1996, I'm sure it would've sold about 3/4th as many copies (I love the album but I can see why about 1/10th of GNR's audience bought it), and MTV probably wouldn't have cared whether or not Axl wanted to ever show up on their network again.

dude.. if axl made another surprise comeback right now and screamed out "NOVEMBER MOTHER FUCKERS" wouldnt that make you choke on your steak too?  :hihi:

and everything said IS very very true.. my head hurts and my stomach is queasy listening to and watching all this crap.. Jet has to be the best thing on so far..   :confused:

Actually MTV has said that they will open up a slot for Guns N' Roses/Axl Rose at any time. They want Guns N' Roses, they want Axl Rose. They gave this message out very strongly on the "VMAs Uncensored" show. All Axl has to do is call up MTV and say he wants to perform We Will Rock you with Queen (you get the drift), they will do it, they will take Hoobastank or any band of that type off an' put on GN'R/Axl instead, but damn, the red-head legend has other things up his mind.

yeah that is why mtv tried to get axl to play the VMAs in 2003 too right  ::)
Axl said no because he knew the album was not ready yet

MTV has asked GN'R/Axl to perform at the VMAs every year since 1993, but GN'R/Axl have turned the offer down, so your statement is completely false. Axl has the upper leverage in this case.

Rock n' Roll is his passion. Now there is no Rock n' Roll anymore, he looses his passion like all of us. I remember seeing a Rockumentary by him, speaking about the Guns n' Roses/Nirvana "competition" (even if Guns sold 3 times more albums than nirvana that made the competition totally idiotic but well at least there was something) and his eyes were shinning! I perfectly remember that. He knew he was speacking about History, about Rock-legends. That guy is great but he works in a shitty company now.

I have no doubt musicaly CD will be fantastic, I just don't see where everyone thinks all of the airplay is going to come from. MTV itself will not play GNR because they don't play music from rock bands, let alone ones fronted by a 43 year old man. Also, the major radio stations with the Kiss FM format which allows acts to sell huge amounts of records will not play them. Certain alternative formats may or may not play them depending on how the music sounds and the namesake GNR. VR are battling this very problem right now. I know plenty of people here argue about VR vs. GNR and whatnot, but VR is better than the rest of the current rock scene. Problem is there is no where to get air play in which the younger audiences will here it on a consistent basis. No matter how good the music, I see GNR having the exact same problems.

And unless CD sells minimum 5 million copies, the record comany will see that album as a failure. They could easily get another band to sell a couple of million for less than the 13 million dollars and aggravation created by GNR, so this album HAS to sell for this project to be a success regardless of how good the music is. Album don't dictate quality, but the label could care less how good the music is, they want to see profit coming in the door. I just don't see where their going to get the exposure given the way the music industry is set up.

All I can say is that if anyone thinks the VMA's are hosting more talent right now than W. Axl Rose and GN'R than you need to wake the fuck up and see reality.


Music needs a complete 360 degree turnaround to rock n' roll.? No more rap/hip hop shit.?? :beer:

Axl will blow any group away hands down.? : ok:

Yeah but if Axl yelled "November Motherfuckers" right now and I choked on my steak it would be because of a really really really great thing, Chinese Democracy. That Hoobastank guy made me choke because he sucked so bad, but you already knew that. :hihi:

To Naupis: Name value will get it going. "Van Halen" just put out a shitty second greatest hits album with most of the songs from their FIRST greatest hits, which came out eight years ago, and three new songs which are utter trash, and it charted. The GNR greatest hits nearly hit #1. Once the mindless drones that buy albums today see that it goes to #1 in its first week, the same reason Metallica does, the same reason the GNR greatest hits went to #3, they'll figure "Woah this must kick ass!" or "Woah, this must be a rap album!" and it'll fly off the shelves.

D........... :peace: : ok: to your post.

I agree totally.

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Oh man the ass he would kick....*dreams*

don't loose hope: Norah Jones sold 18 million copies of her 1st album in 2002...without a lot of promotion, she didn't need MTV. Just good music. Good music still sells a lot. don't worry. Good music isn't on MTV nowadays...

Norah Jones also had the advantage of being played relentlessly on every adult contemporary station in the country....which just happens to be the demographic of people who still actually buy albums. That is not a luxury GNR is going to have.

I refused to watch anymore of that crap. Axl we need you more then ever man. :)

 :smoking:  thanks for posting these pictures.

18 million
where did u get that number from?
she didnt sell that many
or is that world wide?

I think you mean 1.8 million

That's the correct figure actually. 18 million copies sold worldwide.

oh god please make the bad channel stop.

ah world wide that is different
gotcha  : ok:

yep, that depressing bitch has sold a shitload of records

I`m glad Axl is  not part of this years show. The show is so awful Axl should have no associatin with it this year.

He could save it you know, he could save thousands of people from stabbing themselves in the back to death repeatedley from the boredom of watchin' this show. :hihi:

Did anyone see JET win that award for best rock video???

Okay. Did you see that idiotic drummer come up with a drink? He leaned into the microphone, said thanks, cursed and said "OOOPS!!! I DIDN'T SAY THAT!"

And who did that, like, 16 years earlier?

SLASH.

Why do I feel like he's making fun of Slash and not paying him some sort of sick tribute?

Maybe I'm overreacting but I'm MAD.  >:(

 :rofl:


Or stopped them from thinking about canceling their cable.

the really sad part is
most kids are going to think this VMAs is great

I guess the kids AREN'T allright now.....

Music today is a joke.  Rock music is definitely a joke.  Nobody in rock today could touch Axl on his worst day.  Look who won best rock video.  Jet?  I see a few people here thought Jet was pretty good tonight.  They were, I guess.  But are they a GN'R?  No fuckin' way.  Why are we even wasting our time watching these awards?  Oh yeah...maybe a possible Axl appearance or CD commercial.  I know that's the only reason I'm watching.  Rock music needs a big kick in the ass, and only Axl could do that.  Rap/hip hop is taking over music, and it sickens me.  At least we still have Velvet Revolver...

I was think the same thing and it makes me want to vomit . Rock music really needs Axl To come back and shack things up like only he can do .

Looks like Outkast is closing out the show, I am sure people will be talking about that performance for years to come.

its funny how this is the only show where i wanna go out of the room to get snacks DURING the show and want to actually watch the comercials..  :hihi:

I tuned into the show a couple times, and I was like "Is this shit for real?"



I saw these idiots perform "Lean back" and all these celebrities in the crowd etc were pretending to rock out to the song.  Trying to make it seem like they enjoyed it, but it was nothing but corny and fake.  I couldn't believe how lame things have gotten.

Basically, the VMA's have turned into the nigger awards.  No offense, but it's the truth.  All it is is a bunch of dumb ass rappers that think they're hot shit, when the fact is that they're a bunch of no talent losers. 

This time period of rap music being the big thing will be looked at with true embarassment in about 5-7 years. 

If those that were embarassed by themselves by the 80's thought that was bad, today's kids that like rap will be embarassed a thousand times more.

This whole MTV generation is retarded.

This whole show has been nothing but corny and lame.

Did anyone see the lame bit with Jon Stewart and AL sharpton?  How unfunny was that?

Or did you see the scene where Jimmy Fallon and the accouncer were pretend arguing for the sake of self depreciating humor?  Was that supposed to be funny?

That's all I saw, and it was all bad.  I assume the rest of the show was horrific as well.

I throught Lenny Kravits's, Alisha Key's, and Stevie Wonder's performance was quite good though. (the rest has been shit except for Kanye West n' Jet in my opinion)

(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/ez/pi_thumbsdown.gif)(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/ez/pi_thumbsdown.gif)on that lousy comment.

Ill say this much,, you have the balls to say what most people are thinking.
Maybe not in those exact words but I agree the VMA award shows have turned into a rap/r n' b a thon.
Just look how they lumped all the rock acts into one part and cut all their songs in half.

Plus as much as I hate them, they are proably the biggest rock band out there right now, where are the darkness

Based on the never-ending stupidity and ignorance of your past posts, Im not surprised by this at all. 

If you make any kind of advancements as a human within the next 5-7 years, which I honestly dont see happening, you will be the one looking back at yourself with true embarassment.

Get a clue...

It's a different time and space kids, just another perfect example of music being cyclical.

Music needs an enema just like it did in the fall of '91, just don't pin your hopes on said enema being provided by a 43 year old. 

Music history proves that point to the nth degree....

if you go by axl's definition of that word from the One in a Million controversy, the poster is not far off.

As I was watching the rap/hip hop people entering the building, I couldn't believe that people like that were so rich. Goes to show you where higher education leads you......middle class. This is really an awful statement to Generation Nothing.

Yeah man!  Just like Axl!  ::)

So basically any racist who says "nigger" in a public forum should be admired for their balls, right.  ::)

what is this band at the end in the robes? Did the remnants of the Heaven's Gate cult get a record contract?

i hate to tell you guys this but that poster was right. mainstream music today is heavily influenced by black culture. honestly, look at the nominees for video of the year.

i dunno but i see people like ludacris and posse, jay z, nelly, and odb wearing gucci suits, drinking expensive booze, and cursing like the uneducated untalented millionaires like they are, a certain disgust comes over me. I can't believe people buy that crap.

just a question, what are rap/hip hop's worldwide sales? Does it sell outside the US or are their profits mainly from domestic sales?

Well, you're black and a rap fan, so I'd expect you to be pissed off by my comment.  I just speak the truth.  Sorry about that.   Goodnight

You are just being PC, and like I said in my post im sure u didnt not read, i wouldnt have used those exact words but the VMAs have turned into the black music awards.
This might as well be on BET.

And you know the N word means an ignorant person.
Also, black rappers use that word in their songs all the time.
So what is wrong with using it to desribe them if they are always calling each other that?

Oh please Aerosmith blew up in the early 90s (they blew up in the late 80s as well) when those guys were almost 50, and by the way Axl's 42. Outside of Bono, Steven Tyler, and Bon Jovi who else is there for rock at the moment? Axl has the looks, swagger, balls, and music to pull this off. And from your standpoint the band (ie Tommy Stinson, Richard Fortus) fits in with today's crowd pretty well.

This can slaughter anything at the VMAs at the moment:

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and you know it.

Hilariously appropriate comment.


I was just watching that, and was wondering, "What has happened to this indudstry?"

It's more like a comedy show than a real music award show.

360 degree turnaround? So, do you like hip hop and rap shit?  :rofl: :hihi:

Just a joke, OK? Hope you understand...

i think you mean 180 ;)

Thats not what the poster said...He called it the "nigger" awards.? If you think hes right in saying that, youre just as clueless as he is.

And I hope Im not crushing your world by telling you that rock and roll is heavily influenced by black culture.? :o? ::)


And when you saw Axl in pink Versace with posse, drinking wine, and cursing like the uneducated millionaire he was, you were surely just as disgusted right?

You dunno?? I do - youve got some real race issues.

Polyphonic Spree?! WTF was that? What has the world come to? I simply can't believe some of this shit...

Aerosmith did have a rebirth, no doubt about it.?

Hardly one that revitalized rock music or changed anything, that fact is unarguable.? Just a nostalgia act getting a second chance, nothng more

Most on these boards have higher hopes for GNR....

what a stupid comment, im ashamed that comment is in my thread!! it isnt the rap and r and b artists faults that rock music sucks balls these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Usher is great,alicia keyes is amazing, i find lil jon and the eastsidaz  "get low" song pretty catchy


Linkin park just won!!!!!!!! fuck yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


gnrs 2002 performance was awesome! especially when ucompare it to last years and this years although if its Outkast it will be great cause outkast kick ass!

D, that post was hilarious!!!   hahaha
  Good work

I'm not a racist dude. you know nothing about me. I suggest you not pre-judge me on an observation that is perfectly relevant and appreciable. But an educated person, I can look at the type of rolemodels being presented to the younger generation and be disgusted. What i see with these hip hop/rap people for the most part is atrocious.

As for the redhead, he has not embarrassed himself to the degree that these hip hop 'artists' have.? Seeing them enter on the redcarpet and act like complete uncouth fools was a freakshow.

You can't tell me that those guys are behaving in a manner befitting a role model. if you are then you've got some intelligence issues.

charles barkley has a great perspective on this issue.

linkin park is horrible. every goddamn song follows the same gay formula, and its terrible. horrible horrible horrible horrible.                                                   

LP does not even write their own songs if im not mistaken.

When Aerosmith hit it big again did rock really need to be revitalized? It's health pretty much looked well at that point. But this is different, it can be easily assummed that rock is pretty much as low as it's ever been, today, in the year 2004. I mean c'mon', the best selling rock album of 2004 (worldwide) is GN'R's Greatest Hits collection That's why it's different, both the situation and circumstances are different. The name GN'R brings in selling power while Axl n' New GN'R's music bring in uniqueness. Rock today is dominated by bands like Jet, Hoobastank, Good Charlotte, and Yellowcard. Oh it can change my friend, but in the end only time will tell. There is no decifering of this.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but let's not forget where the awards show is being held.

Miami isn't exactly considered a mecca for rock music and the theme of the show definately has a Miami vibe to it, hip hop, dance etc....

Oh God, I just heard Coldplay coming back from commercial, I feel I might puke...

Yep, Axl is unlikely to "save" anything.  Maybe he'll influence the person who will.  This show is truly awful.

I don't think that GnR can catch on too greatly with the younger generation; after all many of these kids were infants when AFD caught fire. coupled with a general apathy, short term memory, and homogenized taste in music due to the bubble gum, cookie cutter processed cheese being stacked in the local Sam Goody, i am not at all deluding myself that GnR will top the world again.

The best we can hope for is a strong rennaissance in the 25-45 age group, still a very powerful sales demographic.

We dont need guns n roses to be huge again, we just need them to pave the way for better more talented bands than what we saw tonite, Jet, Hoobastank, Good Charlotte, and Yellowcard.

Next years VMAs could be good since we are getting albums from Trent, Axl, bono and maynard. Plus VR should be up for awards next year too.

I know this was posted in the first page, but I've been watching the Olympics, and just got on now to see what everyone else thought of the VMA'S. I halfway agree with that comment. I know MTV has been crapping themselves trying to get them to perform. I think Axl thought he'd be ready, so he said yes. I don't think MTV viewed them as a novelty, I think alot of other people saw them as a novelty. Like,"Oh, look, it's Guns N' Roses". I was happy as hell that they performed. And I truly believe that Axl will be back eventually. But, with the failed tour and disappearing again, it almost looks like a novelty type thing. Like when they "reunited" Van Halen, or got KISS to perform before launching the 5 farewell tours they did. With what little hype they have left, if Axl doesn't do something SOON, he'll just fall by the wayside. But we'll see.

It's a good conversation for sure, but history shows (at least in my lifetime) no band with a ready made brand name and a frontman that age has ever come back to be a leading relevant force at the forefront of any new movement.

Then you have a curiously racial double standard...


Its entertainment...You think GNR were any better as role models?  You think the behavior of rock bands in the 80s (and every decade before and after) is that much better? 


So now were talking about videos specifically?  What about the lifestyle GNR publicly reveled in?  I find most rap videos (most videos in general, really) to be artistically bankrupt.  But when you go bringing race into it, sorry to say, but youre a racist. 


So you mustve been horrified by an intoxicated Slash and Duff cursing onstage?  Or Axl diving into a crowd and assaulting a fan and causing a riot?  Or Izzy pissing on an airplane?  Need I go on?


Haha, youre telling me that GNR, or any of your favorite bands, acted in a manner befitting for a role model? 

Theyre entertainers...they make a living by entertaining people - little kids are not their responsibility.


Ah, referencing a black man with a shared opinion to prove that youre not a racist...How...predictable. 

Look, this has gotten completely off-topic.  Id only suggest that you mental giants save you "nigger" bashing for the appropriate forum.

huge , small .. heck .. I dont care if they diband the day after .. after all these years I just wanna hear the Chinese democracy album. (with bucketheads parts intact and high in the mix)

 :peace:

That's the most insightful post I've ever read from you.

I agree 100%.

Hands down, the absolute worst awards show in history. The whole entire 3 hours was one big political commercial. Everyone seems so disenchanted. Everyone jumps up to the R&B and hip-hop "beats", but the look on the faces of the masses says "Something new needs to come kick our asses!". What an abysmal event. People can go on about how bad the 2002 GNR performance was, but good God...

So, do you think he pulled it off at the 2002 VMAs?  Was his performance and singing slaughter-worthy?

It's interesting because your earlier posts called for an unbraided leather-clad Axl complete with photos, and then you switched to the new Axl. 

now was this ad rumor a ploy to get everyone to watch this awards show? sigh...

If 1 more fuckin celebrity tells me the importance of voting, I will again in fact puke.

On topic, Jet was pretty good and Manson is always interesting..

The 2002 VMAs, slaughter? No. Surprise? Yes. To tell you the truth the Axl at the 2002 VMAs did not seem like the same Axl from RIR3 or the rest of the 2002 Tour. That's why I posted that London Docklands pic of him. In my dreams an unbraided leather-clad Axl would appear but a London Arena Axl would still pull off the job at the 2004 VMAs. I did not mean VMAs in general, but the 2004 VMAs. This year's VMAs was unimpressive.

guys please dont get my shit locked!!!!!!! i beg u!


lets get back on topic!!!


people focus too much on axl's age, if u are cool, u are cool, age doesnt matter in that regards.  can u imagine a kid who thinks somebody like billy madden of good charlotte is cool seein axl rose? can u imagine??????

The singer from Hoobastank deserves to be raped by a bunch of 700 pound Gorillas for makin' the world listen to his killer voice. There, better? :hihi: :yes:

more like 3 or 4 700 pound Gorillas.

why because i choose to criticize performers who are black who do not demonstrate the talents befitting a role model, which of course they are. To be blind to the fact that these people are role models to millions of people is being as naive as one can get. You can't tell me that Ludicris and posse walking off that boat with the gold chains around their neck, cognac in bottle being passed around, and being interviewed with profanities and gold teeth flying through the air does not reek of diseductation. Black or white or whatever color. They are riff raffs who got lucky. If you want to turn this into a racial thing, go ahead. I have always said hip hop/ rap performers; you labeled them all black so of course i must mean all black people.


don't change the subject. we were talking about this show and these performers. GnR have not existed as they did since the early 90s. As such, the argument was valid then but not now.


sure I was. But we are talking about the VMAs 2004 right now.


and you're an asshole. No one calls me a racist, you fucker. I don't have to prove or validate myself to you or anyone else. I take offense to your comments and from here on in won't respond to you anymore.

Racism works both ways; there are those who discriminate because of the color of others skin and there are those who discriminate because of the color of THEIR? own skin. Get a clue, grow up, learn something about the world, then get back to me. Or die, i really couldn't care less to waste another bit of time on a piece of trash like you.

There was nothing good that came out of the dreck that was the VMA's this year...unispired, overehearsed, uber-corporatized, and just downright sad. I recoginize it has always been a corporate event, but man, at least there used to be some real emotion, or even some controversey surrounding it (remember Fartman, Axl v. Kurt, Bon Jovi unplugged?) As off as the GNR performance was (largely due to tech errors), it was one of the few surprises MtV has successfully pulled off in this ever declining crapfest over the last few years. Also, I agree with what Dave said, Axl probably won't come back and be the leader of a new revoulution in rock, but if he can push some up-and-coming kids to think outside of the box, then it might just save us from a decade of pure horsehit being spun as rock n roll.

Hey guys. Remember me? I haven't been on here in a loooooooooooooooooong time. Well, tonight has made me come out of hiding and type this. This Hideous "Music" corporation MTV should be overthrown and down immediately. If you saw what I posted last year under Iraqi democracy about the VMAs. Multiply that Hatred and Apathy by 100 and you'll get my personal opinion on that "show".


P.S. I liked Outkast, but they should not have been the final performance because the final performance of the night should be special. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

P.S.S. Axl, SAVE THE MUSIC INDUSTRY PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!

P.S.S.S F*ck Little Jon

wow , what an ugly thread. do you guys REALLY need to argue about racism? isnt this 2004?

I mean didnt the nelly/xtina duet open your eyes to anything? erm .. nevermind.

seriously though .. you guys outta stop the racist B.S. here publicly and take it to PM's or something. it looks really bad.

 :peace:

MTV markets to a younger generation.....age IS important. That and history shows that guys in their 40's aren't always given a fair shake by MTV. If Van Halen released a kick-ass CD tommorow that was musically incredible it still wouldn't get played because of all the factors surrounding the name and players. GNR and a 43 year old Axl will run into the same problems. It isn't fair but that is just the reality of MTV. We will never see GNR on TRL no matter how good the music is, but the big selling acts are all the ones appearing on TRL, so its tough egg to crack. You guys can be all optomistic that as long as the music is good they will be huge, but that is just not being realistic. If you actually look at the hole situation realistically, GNR faces a severe up-hill fight regardless of how good the music is.

All I'm going to say is that I thank GOd for not allowing me to fall into the trap like the rest of my peers have fallen into. I thank GOd for not allowing me to embrace the garbage I just watched. Pure fukin Garbage. It wasnt even entertaining.

I am grateful that Im a fan of a band that is fronted by a 40+yr old. A band that inspires,entertains, and makes me feel normal.....to the old and new gnr  :beer:


WHat a joke

As a poster mentioned earlier...next yrs vmas have the potential to be much better.

it wouldn't get that way if people weren't tossing the word around and labeling others as racist in an unjustified manner.

I am horrified to be part of this forum where one person can label another as racist just for criticising a group of performers who are black. Horrid.

Ooops. You are correct. (I always did suck at math) :hihi:

On a side note, did anyone realize that all the rap artists joined together on eachother's albums?

Lil John and I think Usher and Pdiddy and Ludicris (maybe not in this order but they joined forces so they were all credited on each other's albums).

Now take Axl Rose..............a stand alone.............who doesn't need anyone to prove his talent.  I just wonder if Axl will start to copy Will Smith's dress code  ;D

And Stevie Wonder on piano with Alicia Keyes kinda looked like a black version of Mr. Rose :D (okay.......everyone is supposed to laugh now) :rofl:

Take that one to heart : ok:

People can get on all of the rappers/R&B singers all they want and call them anything they want....but people are obviously responding in a positive way to their music as they are all top selling acts with big fan bases. At least they are out there making music and releasing albums for the public to consume. No one forces anyone to listen to those acts.....but I can guarandamntee you MTV would not litter the show with those acts if they weren't popular as all get out and people didn't want to see them.

GNR will be lucky to match the sales and radio play of half of those rappers you all love to hate. People don't go out and buy and actively listen to things they don't like....obviously the fans can't get enough of these groups we all don't like. Actions speak louder than words...and the fans actions dictate to MTV that this is who they want to see and MTV obliges.

will you people cut the shit with this pc crap? like you're embarassed that someone on this board feels a certain way. fuck you people. get real. quit being so blind to reality.

Yeah...a true stand-alone, with an 8-piece band (excluding orchestra conductors, horn sections, Elton John and backup dancers).

Now please excuse me while I watch the 1989 VMAs...Tom Petty and a stand-alone did a great rendition of "Free Fallin'"... 8)

Age is important, correct. But it's only important because they have money to throw around. If they throw around the money, MTV will notice and jump on the band wagon. They do it with everyone. I don't totally agree with the ones who say "They were infants when AFD caught fire." because I wasn't even born when it came out (December 1, 1987) and I've been a huge fan since I heard them on the radio in 1992. The music today taps into the kids that buy it. GNR would tap into a group of kids just as willing to spend money, a group of kids that enjoys music that inspires that and not just "Look at the pretty colors in the video! Here's Mommy's wallet!" AFD still sells thousand of units a week...and that can't ALL be adults.

I kinda agree but at the same time disagree. First off hoobstank isn't that badly off from being that bad. Thier second album is actaully good. Alteast they not saying fuck you everytime and just screaming like some bands I see on mtv 2. I'm not claming that there are that great but I have heard worse. Plus I have learn since 99 that no matter what great bands come back the music scene won't change that much. These kind of things just happen to go as trends. I do agree with you on Axl with the last couple of weeks I been wondering what if and how things will go when chinese democracy does come out? But time will only tell.

Did anybody notice how none of the bands that played tonight played one full song? They either played about 1/3 of one of their songs or a medley of all their hits.

NOt only were the acts horrific, the production of the hsow was horrible. The stage sucked, the whole vibe of the show was really bad.

FOr starters, MTV needs to bring it back to where it belongs...to the greatest city in the whole wide world...NYC

That set-up was made for November Rain specifically. Earlier that year he made a great stand alone performance at the Freddy Mercury Tribute Concert when he played We Will Rock You and Bohemian Rapsody with Queen.

I think you got my point...

Also, I thought his performance at the Tribute was really bad  :-X

Well I guess that's where we differ......I thought he kicked major Mcfrougal ass! :yes:

The whole pompous Miami vibe was nauseating to say the least, get it back to Radio City...

Well, there's over 100,000 protesters in NYC right now, so it was smart to move it somewhere else  : ok:

wow.. i feel as if i'm alot dumber now than i was before the show..  :'(

First off, I'm absolutely shocked to see this huge racism issue in here.  Stop fucking stereotyping god damnit.  You know what, there's some good rap/hip-hop/r&b music out there, and there's some bad.  There's some good rock, and there's bad.  Color means shit all.  Personally, I think that Eminem's latest is better then most of the shit that was performed tonight by black artists, and I also know that black artists have pushed rock forward a huge amount.  So stop fucking placing white/rock and black/rap together.  Let's look at the fucking artists and judge them based on that.  At the same time, lets not get too sensitive about the choice of someone's words.  Lets try to absorb what they're trying to say and even if at face value it is ignorant and disgusting, lets give them the benefit of the doubt and try to take the best meaning out of it.

The VMA's sucked this year cause it wasn't diverse.  Isn't that the point of music, to see a diverse bunch of music.  Rock was completly shafted.  The performances were short and badly slotted, i think there was one rock video in the VMA Video of the Year.  Rap/Hip-Hop was the main focus of the event, with multiple performances by a number of rappers each with their own slot.  The only 'special' thing were those robed people and they just sucked.  They only had artists with new material out/comming out perform.  It would have been alot better if we'd seen Manson perform, or Prince, or any other artist that has some stage presence.  And btw, what was up with Little John being in like 3 of the performances.  That was just excessive, I hate his voice and he's just fucking annoying.

In reference to that whole rapper image thing, realize that it's all just entertainment.  All the kids growing up today see these guys with all their 'bling' and that's what they want.  Honestly, wouldn't you want to have fucking diamond rings and million dollar cars.  These people are given money by record companies in order to project an image, because that image help sell albums.  Rappers have the image that they have to be pimps with lots of women and all that shit, and as a result, labels have found that they can make more money by promoting a good image, rather then working hard to find and develop good musicians.  As a result, the quality of most of that genre's music has gone down alot.  The rock image these days is that of impartiality, like they don't care about what they look like, they just go on stage and play.  This hurts rock cause it's just boring to watch, and it's just shitty music cause labels are dying for a quick, catchy chorus that's short and simple so that they can fit as many on radio as possible in a short timespan.  I mean, Avril's new album doesn't have a song over 4:00 (4:03 is the longest, but w/e) and it's all just catchy chorus.  As a result, nothing is memorable and they don't set themselves out as original.

I agree that Little John is becomming annoying as fuck.  :-\

The VMA's were a freakin' train wreck!!!  The worst ever.  Outkast were the only saving grace.  MTV sucks even worse than I thought.  Thank god GNR had nothing to do with that shitty ass show.

I must ask why do you people even watch if you know you are not going to enjoy the show? I personally cannot stand MTV and what it stands for and I know the VMA's are going to be poor so I don't even bother to turn them on. I can't believe people fall in MTV's trap year after year and still complain.

As for D's comments: I do think Axl could probably do a better job than anyone at the VMAs (as long as he didnt sound like 02  :hihi: ) but rock music doesn't need to (and won't) look to its past in order to move forward. So no, I don't agree he will be a bigger star than in his prime.

goddamn it wheres axl rose when you need him?

vma's sucked ass, a 3 band rock performance, bullshit i only saw one rock band up there, jet, and they where just ok, hoobstank sucked balls, and yellowcard is pop music  bullshit (i mean did you see the singer about to cry whne they won the mtv2 award, what the hell is that!, rock stars dont cry for winning an award).  all though it sucked i did like the lenny alicia keyes and stevie wonder performance, dude that girl can play the piano.

 but in conclusion like the cover page of Spin magazine said in 99 What the world needs is Axl Rose, hell axl on a fuckin wheel chair could kick the collective ass of what is called "rock" music today.

The show sucked.

It is the same every year almost, minus the year GnR was on. It's all rap and just utter crap.

Why did I subject myself to this?  :hihi:

Cause it's like a car wreck you don't want to look but for some reason you just have to.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/RockStarAxl/Untitled-2copy.jpg)
Here's a start to find Axl and get the album out.   :peace:

Excellent post.  Someone finally nailed the whole racism issue that's cropped up in this thread.  : ok:

Ditto for the last paragraph, about image.  The two biggest genres of music among kids these days are rap and rock.  The problem today is, rap has too much image and rock has too little.  In 1991, things were more balanced.  Rap artists had a bit of an image - the gangsta thing - but their music had more substance.  Artists like NWA and Public Enemy were angry black guys from the streets, same as a lot of rappers today.  But they actually had something to say.  They talked about real issues and gave voice to what a lot of ordinary people thought.  Today, though, rap artists are all about the bling-bling.  The key is not to talk about how little you've got, but how much you've got.  And artists like Jay-Z and P. Diddy do that to the nth degree...they're always rapping about their latest fashion line or whatever.  And nobody can identify with that.  That's why I loved Jay-Z's "99 Problems" (and its accompanying video) so much.  Jay was talking about something that people can relate to, and he was illustrating it with a stark, powerful black and white video.  It took chances where most videos don't do that today.  Rap videos today are all about showing hot women, lots of jewelry, and wine.  Basically, rap music doesn't have any balls anymore.

And the same can be said for rock music, but it's in a different way.  Basically, while a lot of rap artists like Outkast are pushing the limits of their sound, too many rock artists are just lesser imitations of artists that came before them.  Jet is just warmed over Stones and AC/DC, for example.  There's a million modern rock acts that are the exact same as what's been there before.  Like somebody said, it seems like no artist really takes chances.  And rock is suffering from the exact opposite problem as rap, because it has barely any image at all.  Sure, it is "all about the music" when you really get down to it.  But image can help activate people's imaginations.  We would all still have loved Guns N' Roses if they looked like college kids with short hair and average clothes.  But a leather-clad rocker in a bandana, a badass guitar hero in leather pants and a top hat, and a bunch of junkies with big hair and sneers...it sort of brought the music to life in a way, didn't it?  GN'R really were the whole package.

What Axl needs, if he wants an Aerosmith-style comeback, is a music movement around him that he can fit right into.  When Aerosmith made their comeback, there were two big music genres at the time that owed a lot to them.  One was hair metal - Motley Crue, GN'R, Bon Jovi all owed a lot to the Aerosmith blueprint.  Then there was 80s rap, which was dominated by guitars.  Run-DMC...need I say more?  So a reunited Aerosmith, with loud guitars, big hair, and power ballads, sorta fit right in there, know what I mean?  If we get some bands that owe a lot to Guns N' Roses, we might see an environment that's ripe for Axl to finally make his comeback.  Erm...to complete the Axl-Aerosmith comparision, I might as well point out that the original members of Aerosmith had to reunite before the band become a success again.  Wishful thinking...?

One more note on the rap thing.  If it helps mend the bridges a little, I might as well point out that Jay-Z had a catchy little number on one of his recent albums called "Guns & Roses", which he performed with Lenny Kravitz on Saturday Night Live one time.  I saw that, and I just thought...maybe GN'R touched more people than I thought.

On that same album...on a song called "U Dont Know (Remix)," Jay says "Razorblades under the tounge, I will eat your face/ Appetite for destruction, I am starving today".  And on his hit "Girls, Girls, Girls" he says "...an appetite for destruction but I scraped the plate."

I'm just glad VR wasnt on the Show did anyone else notice how they are more and more each year making their VMA's into just a 3 hour long TRL epsisode? With girls screaming for ANYTHING......  Chappelle could of asked if anyone liked Hitler and the audience would of went whild. I want a organized, civilized awards show, comething classy, not TRL 3 hours and 20 minutes.

Eminem is ok but he s probably the only one to have something interesting in rap music. I think he is a real artist, even if he plays rap, he is a real artist in his way.? And he is charismatic. lots of people have compared him to Axl Rose even if GN'R sold twice more records back in the days than Eminem today. But at least, he has talent.
HOWEVER 99 % of the rest of rap music is SUPERFICIAL (VMA 2004 yesterday). It's just some "yahyah" and "oh oh" without talent and that's it! where is the creativity? it sucks!

I hope you're done discussing the racist issue.

I've said it before, this isn't some "whites only" message board. Think about it.



/jarmo

I didnt mean Hitler in a racist stint. I mean the way the fans were chearing Dave CHappelle could of asked how many fans of Charles Manson are in the house, and the fans would of cheered just as loud. Its the same way on TRL now. Its more screaming then anything.

The show seemed very unorganised, a few times throughout the night you could barely hear what they were saying through the microphone.  Look at the VMA 2002 The Puff Daddy performance was great and one of a kind, the GnR surprize was great also. This year they really didnt have great stage shows for the fans. It just seemed like the mosh pit cheering for everything was the entertainment. If you were to just watch the show from 2 years ago to this years you will see how unorganized the show has become and went from a classy event to a TRL/Fox Teen Awards Show.

We need Axl back I just haven't discovered a good band lately a new band it just crap now

Damn this thread has become popular!! Last night I posted the second and now it's 7 pages long.

It's pointeless to make a comment about the direction this thread has taken. Music and GNR has brought us to this communitiy to begin with, there's no point to discuss any racism related issue in the GNR section.

Truth is, music industry has taken a route which I'm not too happy with. Last night, when watching the vma's, I felt totally clueless, out of place. We all think Axl Rose will bring rock and roll back and will regain his priviledge spot in mainstream, but I have realized, that maybe, not even the best Axl or the best GNR have a slight chance with today's current music trends.

Thank god I didn't watch that crap!!!, but I know That todays music doesnt amaze me at all cause I still listening to my Innuendo, UYI 1 & 2, Fear of The Dark, Retroactive and still like them better than anything new today.  :yes: