Here Today... Gone To Hell!

At the recent show as I've been reading on a few sites....apparently a few fans were chanting "Guns N Roses" and Scott got angry and threw his megaphone at the section of the crowd (nice souviener for someone)  and told them to come onstage and sing themselves if they want to hear GNR.  Then they played no encore and walked off stage after Slither without saying a word.  Now what I really noticed was that people were blaming the fans.. "WHAT DO THEY EXPECT, of course the fans are gonna chant." It happened during GNR's set a few times back in 2002..I remember Axl either kicking someone out or saying Slash was in his ass.
But eh.......just thought I would play devil's advocate for people who say Axl is an asshole for leaving the stage such as in Detroit.

Which message boards are they talking about it? I have heard Scotts voice has been blowing out lately, maybe its getting on his nerves when people start chanting whatever it was thats offensive.

They chanted "Guns N Roses"............that's it.

maybe they should stop playing Guns N Roses songs. i wouldnt object if they  never played another GNR song, just doesnt sound right with scott singing.

thats the biggest reason for saying the lead singer is the most important member.

Play a 2002 boot for a fan that doesnt know GNR are broke up and to them they say thats "guns n roses" they are awesome.

Play VR doing GNR and people are like "thats not axl"

the only reason axl can get away with playin GNR songs is because he has the name and its still his voice. People can play the same notes as slash and the rest of the band and make the song sound the same.

The new band plays the songs much better than Scott could ever sing em. However im the first to jump Robin's ass when he fucks up a Slash classic solo.

Dont wanna hear GNR chants, leave GNR in the past!

yeah, but if you play the 2002 boots to someone that knows about music and knows GN'R and they will tell you that it's a tribute band with a guy that sounds a lot like Axl on the vocals...

I think that's pretty lame for fans to start chanting that at their shows. I think it really sucks the most for the fans who aren't assholes and don't get to see a full show or encore. In no way should VR stop playng gnr songs if they want to, they have just as much right to the music as Axl does if you ask me. If they want to play em they can.

ey yeah! : ok:

and besides Scott does a great job on the 3 gnr songs they play because they are in his range. If he did Jungle then it would be a different story

yeah dont get me wrong i agree with u all all the way. However it's the double edged sword they knew about when they started this band. Axl cant expect people to not chant for slash cause he was just a huge part as axl in GNR. That being said both bands knew what they were gettin into when they continued on, its just the price to pay i guess.

Its not enterly just scott. Duff got pissed when people were chanting fuck axl.

Right they should play the GNR songs......but at the same time dont' you think they should have expected this to happen?  I mean is it really necessary to throw a 5 lb megaphone at someones head for and then leave the stage early to punish everyone for a few fans chanting guns n roses?  I always thought Axl handled the Slash chants well during the 2002 tour......he'd usually just say something smartass and ignore it.  Hell the only time he left a show early is when his own band screwed up a song. 

the only one fucking up at that show, as far as I could see, was Axl fucking up the lyrics..

I believe it was Fortus who played a few chords wrong....maybe it was Axl i'm not sure exactly I was only using it as an example quoting his own band (meaning him also)

No matter what was said, Scott shouldn't have chunked a megaphone into the crowd.

Ignore it, don't give 'em the satisfaction..

Yea, because he doesnt want it to be a gnr vs vr thing. nOt because he doesnt want to profanity thrown at Axl.

As Buckethead says...if you cant handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen mama

One thing though...They didn't walk off stage early.  This was a festival, and they played the same festival set they have been.  Kudos to the band for not just quitting.

Scott always chucks his megaphone on the stage. maybe it bounced, I really doubt scott would chuck his microphone directly at a person

Robin was the one who fucked up patience big time

No need, Oldleadbellys right...They played this same set at Lowlands and Pukkelpop, so they didnt leave early.


No...Because out of the dozens of shows worldwide VR now has under their belt, this is the first time weve heard of this.  So dont act as if its an assumed occurrence.


Well, one could argue that the difference is GNR is known by many as featuring Slash...VR isnt known as "Guns N' Roses" or for Axl.  But thats irrelevant, because the principle is the same - nobody should go to a show to act like an asshole and chant things to piss off the performer.  That goes for people going to see VR and it goes to those seeing the new GNR.  Its stupid and unfair to the rest of the fans.


Well saying something "smartass" isnt ignoring it...Its attacking the wrong target.  Its fair game to have somebody kicked out - its silly to say "Slash is in my ass" when Slash has nothing to do with it.


Im sure theres many who would disagree.


Im sure theres many who would disagree.

im talkin casual fans booker. a casual fan hears GNR 2002 they arent gonna know whether thats slash or whoever playin the guitar unless they knew beforehand.That same fan however will instantly recognize that the vocals arent axl

that being said, slash is the greatest guitarist ever in my opinion, so none of the new gnr guitarist touch his stuff.  the new guitarist can come closer to playing slash's riffs and solos than scott could come screeching out axl's vocals.

No...Because out of the dozens of shows worldwide VR now has under their belt, this is the first time weve heard of this.? So dont act as if its an assumed occurrence.


Sorry to play devil's advocate but I was at the pukkelpop festival just in front of the scene and people were screaming "GUNS N'ROSES" for the whole show. They didn't seem to mind though and I thought it was the good attitude to have.  : ok:
I'll be seing them again in Paris next week I hope the assholes will keep their mouth shut !  ::)

My point was, this casual out-of-the-loop fan might not even recognize new GNRs vocals as Axls.  2002 Axl isnt vintage Axl.


Screech?  Scott has done a fairly dead-on job with with "Mr. Brownstone," "Used To Love Her," and especially "Its So Easy"...all mid-to-low range vocals.

I heard that people were holding up RATM banners at Audioslave shows. That, along with people chanting "guns n roses" at a VR show and people chanting "Slash" at a gnr show is immature and stupid.

This is a concert review of a friend of mine who lives in Germany:


''Just for the record: They Sucked! If you still wanna read on -> read on:
VELVET REVOLVER played on a festival about to hours from where I live. I went there with a friend of mine (no, we did not have sex, Mr. Boner). I'm gonna spare details about how we got to the show and how it all looked like and stuff. By the end of the week I'll have some photos and if, maybe, Robo can help me out I'll place 'em here. ----btw that's=>(www.t-boner.com)----
I met a some guys with GnR shirts, but they were a minority. But they all were very excited. And a lot of them were my age  and, like me, they had waited thirteen years to see SLASH n DUFF.
So after a bunch of bands we finally got to the point of no return. We were like twenty-second row or something. There's no seats at concerts here in germany. You have to fight to get your place. And with 25000 people I guess we did it well. I also took shots from the show, but I doubt if you can see anything since I only had a small cheap camera with me. But we'll see.
They had a pretty clear and powerfull sound. Not the best of all the bands but good enough. I heard worse shows in my life. I don't know what it was, but something just didn't feel right. It was like seing a decent band, but nothing special. Not the cool guys who used to be in GnR. SLASH really didn't have a strong presence on that stage. He just walked up and down the stage playing his riffs and solos, but the were no real exclamation marks set by him. DUFF as well. In GnR he was always the one who searched the contact to the crowd. But he just seemed to stare right above all our heads, as if he didn't give a fuck. Also I had a feeling that SCOTT put on a solo show. He did never seem to fit with anybody else on stage. A guy from in front of me saw me jumping up and down during "Headspace" and after the song he walked over to me and said: "Can you believe these guys were great once?" I was like, "I been waiting 13 years to see them, it's cool...." He said: "This is less than I expected. Have your fun, I'm gonna go." and he left the show. I would never have left, but after this show I can understand his point.
Than they played "It's so easy" and I freaked out with some guy who was next to me. It was a goddamn kick. After the song some people on on the right side of the stage (I was more like on the left) started chanting "Guns and Roses...Guns n Roses..." And what did ASSHOLE WEILAND do? He threw the bullhorn right into that group of people and shouted: "If you wanna hear another Guns N Roses song come up on stage you fuckers!"
And then SLASH got to the microphone and he looked pretty pissed and said: "We are Velvet Revolver and not Guns N Roses! Do you get that?"
Have these assholes forgotten how they got here?? Pretty arrogant. Especially Mr. WEILAND. If WEILAND said that to me, I would have gotten up there and kicked his baby face across the stage. Arrogant is a good word to describe what I saw. It was cool to see what these guys have goin' on, but it was also good to see, that you should not glorify people too much. You might get dissapointed.
By the way: No encore.

PS: Still they have a damn good album. But now listening to it has a little bit a bitter taste...''



maybe i should've put this review on the VR section of the site but THE GNR chant made me put it in here....and I remembered the F*ck axl rose chant at the VR gig not so long ago.....

yea when i saw them rock out Roseland Ballroom in NYC on the 26th, people started chanting "Fuck Axl Rose" over and over, until Slash went to the mike and said "easy guys, easy" lol.
As far as the chant goes, if i were scott i would be very pissed, but throwing the megaphone is uncalled for.

hmmmmmmmmm I just noticed somebody made the same thread 'scott flips out'.... :-X

either way dont forget to stop by at www.t-boner.com to see the pictures of the show  ;D

this is from another show.

http://www.t-boner.com/gallery/albums.php?set_albumListPage=2

Chanting GNR at VR show is understandable cause Slash And Duff just fucking Left GNR. So its' natural for some GNR fans to go and shout when they are not pleased by the show and miss them in GNR. Scott should have handled a lot better rather than throwing the megaphone. VR are big cause of GNR and STP. They acted so fucking arrogant in that concert.

It is not logical people to shout SLASH at GNR Concerts cause he fucking Left. Axl didn't Fire him so why people complained?

Well, that's interesting since in Stockholm they played TWO GN'R songs later in their set. AFTER It's So Easy.  ;)


Maybe all the Slash fans who are shouting his name at GN'R shows will see that this crap can go both ways now.



/jarmo

I don't get why this is a big deal. They are not gnr. It would be like going to an ozzy show and chanting "faith no more" since his drummer used to be in faith no more.

Ok VR fans, now is the time to bash Weiland if this is true.
When Axl walked off early on Detriot you guys lambasted him.
So now is the time to bash scott like you bashed axl.
Because we all know if Axl did this, there would be a thread with 100 replies calling him an asshole.
You guys also bash axl when he goes off on people for chanting slashs name during his shows.
But now its ok for scott to go off, throw shit a the fans and leave early?
wow you all are a bunch of hypocrites. Some of you are a real piece or work esp booker who did a total 180.
If this was axl booker would crusify him. Its amazing how ass backwards this is, and just proves my point what I have been saying all along, no matter what axl does in some peoples eyes he can do no right yet VR always gets a free pass no matter what they do.

I laughed when people got their panties up in a bunch when GNR didnt "complete" the Detroit show. How dare Axl not do the last few songs of the set! Yet they are the same people who complain they play the same set. So instead they ended a lil early. Big deal. They played an average of 2 1/2 hrs on that tour. Unlike anohter band we all love aorund here who play as if they got something mor eimportant to do after the show. They play the same songs in the same order. They have an album out! Mix it up..Danger, DAnger, Please

As for what Weiland did, whatver. If Axl ever did something liek that there would be a 100 pg thread on why Axl is an asshole and a baby. We all know it. But theres not enough passion for that to go around when in concerns others...because only a few have the power to draw fire...

All Weiland did was throw a megaphone and call some people fuckers...thats hardly a reason for to people to start bashing him. He didnt get security to remove the fans, nor did he jump in and start fighting with them. Its possible they left without an encore, but no band gives 100% effort at every single show. Though Scott certianly tries to do that. I have a few bootlegs of VR, and it does appear its a Weiland solo show sometimes. Kushner moves around alot, but Slash and Duff do look like they are showing their age, or not totally into the music.

Dave...

It's already been established that they did not leave early.? Same festival setlist they've been playing.  Not to mention, it's everybody's God-given right to bash Axl and not bash Scott, or bash Scott and not bash Axl.  Booker can do a 180...who cares.  It's just another's opinion.  Just as you have the right to favor Axl and his band to VR, and thus display your bias, any other poster has the right to paint Axl as a whiny little twit, and turn in the next breath and say Weiland is the man for chucking the bullhorn.  That's what's beautiful about opinions.  Just feel comfortable with yours, and let others do the same.  It's gotta be nerve-wracking to take up for a band's every move, especially when that band is new GnR.

This has been happening a lot - when I saw VR in? Boston, Slash thanked the crowd for chanting "VR" rather than the other shit they have been hearing... :-\

STP and Scott werent that huge in Europe. Maybe the fans are yelling it not as to mock VR or to piss them off but because They love Slash and the Boys.  Maybe they are yelling it because they believe that Slash and Duff truelly are GnR and not axl's new band. I dont see how chanting GnR should piss scott off. GnR is still big in Europe, bigger then they probalby are here in the states. If you play a GNR cover with GNR Members as an average fan who knows who Slash is, They might cheer GnR because they love the cover. I remember being at concerts before where they ask the fans what cover to play and I've heard groups start shouting band names and then the rest of the place joins in.

Maybe the fans love VR and like their versions of the originals, for Scott to get pissed off and throw his microphone is very immature.

Bullshit, u and I both know they left early. And yes weiland did not have security remove the fan, scott threw a friggen mega phone at him with is 10. times worse. Scott whines MUCH more than Ax and scott whines more like a pussy. This thread just proves how much VR fans are hypocrites : ok:

yeah, this behavior is pretty bad, axl or weiland or bach. You can't throw a blowhorn into the crowd out of anger. It's childish and could injure someone.

I think you guys have to face it that asshole fans exist and when they rub an asshole the wrong way, the asshole with the microphone will lash out.

If you bash axl for walking off the stage in Detroit or kicking out obnoxious fans in Rio, you have to pass around the judgement a bit. Scott fucked up and he should own up to his behaviour and apologize.

I have to say that it is understandable that they chant Gnr; afterall, 3/5 of the guys up there are ex gunners. Buckethead had to endure the 'where's slash' bullship at vegas when he played his solo section. Those meatheads couldn't respect the bucket, why should it be any different at a VR show. GnR has a huge collection of dickheads who show up at these shows; it's too bad both Scott and Axl let it bring out the worst in them.

He meant the "Fuck Axl" chants.


Haha, how adorably child-like... ;D

The band played the same exact set as Lowlands and Pukkelpop, two shows that went well according to all accounts.  Duff has explained that they have different set-ists, one being for abbreviated sets.  We can say for sure that this was the shorter set-list because "Its So Easy" comes later in the set, as opposed to earlier in longer sets.  And you cant even argue that VR altered the list to make it shorter, because the problems didnt really arise until after "Its So Easy," which was near the end of the short set they already started playing.

Rock AM

Sucker Train Blues
Do It For The Kids
Headspace
Crackerman
Big Machine
Fall To Pieces
Set Me Free
It's So Easy
Sex Type Thing
Slither

Pukkelpop

Sucker Train Blues
Do It For The Kids
Headspace
Crackerman
Big Machine
Fall To Pieces
Set Me Free
It's So Easy
Sex Type Thing
Slither

Long set-list (From Austrian show)

Sucker Train Blues
Do It For The Kids
Headspace
Crackerman
It's So Easy
Fall To Pieces
Big Machine
Set Me Free
Slither
Sex Type Thing
Mr. Brownstone
Negative Creep

Understand the difference? 

Now are you going to admit that youre wrong, or continue your denial?

Good for Scottie and Slash.

The 3/5 guys of VR? were in GNR, and as you know these 3 guys started the VR band. So your example of Mike Bordin (FNM) and Ozzy is totally out of place and not related to the above situation. Plus as said Slash + Duff LEFT GNR and as you know Mike Bordin didn't leave FNM.

ah booker so VR has left more than one show early that is even worse.

 :hihi:

Sticking with the denial then?? I wouldnt expect anything else... : ok:

Just to inform you, because youre obviously not the most perceptive person here, the band plays their abbreviated setlist to accomodate festival time constraints.  Do you understand now? 

true booker, i can see that comment and the point u are making about casual fans not recognizing axl's voice now.


Scott does the low parts but the power of gnr is the high shit axl throws in. gnr songs are almost mediocre without the high screeching.

Its not leaving early if you are only alloted a certain amount of time.

You are thick-skulled aren't you?

Frankly, i can see  why he flipped out.... One would think that Its So Easy are the most popular songs in their set. it was atleast in norway... everyone just freaked out.. noone didnt chant GNR or anything, but i think he got the picture...

but its really bugging me that they are doing all this short shows.

I can understand why he flipped out it's basically a 'fuck you' Weiland as they are pretty much saying they want Axl.? But like Dave said least Axl did not through a megaphone.? In Rio he got a security guy to get rid of a fan and at Leeds Festival when fans chanted for Slash he said 'He's up my ass' or something along those lines.? Put simply he conducted himself a hell of a lot better.? Weiland would of looked better coming back with some witty comment (if he could think of one) instead he's made himself look like a twat and after all the shit Axl got years ago for attack members of the crowd he's just managed to show he is no better and unlike Axl has failed to grow up.

Looking at it from another point of view where the chants that bad.  They were chanting Guns N' Roses, not Axl.  The fans could of just been showing they're respect for Slash, Duff & Matt.  When i saw Brides of Destruction at the Download festival Tracii Guns was the first to encourage us to chant M?tley Cr?e before they played some of the old tracks.  The fans were not being disrespectful we were showing out appreciation to Nikki Sixx it did not mean we were not lovin' the new songs.  Maybe they could take a leaf out of Brides of Destruction's book.

If you read the concert story it says part of the crowd chanted "Guns N' Roses" AFTER VR played "It's So Easy".

Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what band recorded that song.




/jarmo

Ah...

So your response would be the same if fans chanted, say..."Slash" everytime Robin played one of his solos, right?

Supposedly its because they have timetables to meet.....

Quick question, if any1 knows....did GNR play in the same venues in Europe back in 2002?With the same rules? Because I know they played full sets.

Good question yet Axl is known for paying fines due to running over the time limit...

and people moan and tear about how axl dont care for his fans, still he pays to give us a good and long show...

It's still a GN'R song performed by GN'R. So it makes as much sense as yelling "Axl sucks" at a VR show.

People were shouting for Slash during the opening act in Stockholm, but I didn't notice them getting pissed and trying to hurt anybody in the audience.

Do you think Scott would've been pissed if they had shouted STP after Sex Type Thing?



GN'R headlined one of the nights at the Pukkelpop festival. So they got more time.

They also performed even though they were told to stop at the Leeds Festival.


/jarmo

Not really...Its a distinctly new band covering old songs...So if fans decide to chant Slashs name after his solos or whatever, the principle is essentially the same.? After all, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out who recorded those riffs and solos...



Right...which makes as much sense as yelling "Guns N' Roses" at a VR show.? Its ALL stupid and disrespectful.? From yelling "Slash" 10 feet from Axl, to "Axl sucks" at a VR show.


I think its a little presumptuous of you to assume Weiland was really trying to hurt somebody...I think even you know that his action was motivated more by thoughtless anger rather than intent to harm someone by hitting them with a megaphone.  And I dont think anybody is advocating his actions...


Yes.? As pissed?? Probably not...but I really dont think he wants fans chanting the names of their past bands instead of chanting the one theyre currently in.? Playing a couple of their old songs isnt an invitation to turn the VR show into "Make believe its GNR" night...Its obviously disrespectful.? And the 40-plus crowds VR has played to before this concert seemed to have gotten that.? If GNR does a great job with "LALD," you chant for GNR, not Wings.? And if VR does a great "Its So Easy," show your appreciation for VR and save the GNR chants for whenever they come to town.

and he told you that in person eh?? :hihi:



ok so maybe scott can get pissed off when people shout "GnR" but there are better ways of handling it than to throw a mic into the audiance :no:
plus; they are not shouting it because they think scott sucks and they want gnr back, but because 3/5 of the band IS guns n' roses and they love them and support them... is scott a bit jealous because he doesn't have so many fans in europe? wake up man! you were never big here, gnr was! i don't know many people who know VR but the few that do name it as being "that band of gnr members", "slash's band" or "the band where slash and duff play together again"... noone mentions scott! "the singers is scott weiland, that stp guy" "who? oh could be, whatever"? :hihi:
so it's normal for people to chant "gnr" and not "stp"... i seriously wonder if scott would have reacted the same if people were shouting "STONE TEMLE PILOTS" instead, would he have said that they are vr and not stp? would he have been insulted and leave? doubt it :-\

i also think it sucks how he reacts like that at this show and he reacts completely different at other shows... sometimes when people chant "gnr" he thinks it's cool and he does another guns song... but now he just gets pissed off? geez man, if you're in a bad mood don't take it out on your fans ::)

headlined? they had to close off the festival... but by the time they went on it was already closed... officially that is ::) people were still standing there waiting, in the rain and the mud (one of the muddiest festivals as far as i can remember!) for them and that's right: they were late :hihi:
but they started late so they ended late too, i dunno how long/short their setlist was compared to other shows, that one was the only one i saw... im sure you can find that info around here somewhere ;)

I know it's stupid, that's not the issue.

But they shouted the name of the band that made It's So Easy. It wasn't just a band member's name they were shouting you know....

Since you pointed out how we can't say Scott tried to hurt those fans, what if the same fans were shouting GN'R just because they wanted to hear Mr Brownstone and Used To Love Her?? :P



If this was Axl, we'd be having pages and pages of posts saying how he tried to kill people in the audience.? :hihi:

Maybe he wasn't trying to hurt anybody, but it's quite stupid of him to throw it into the audience.

I don't know what could've happened if it had happened in USA. A court case because he hurt somebody because of this? Didn't it already happen to Sebastian Bach?



Three of the GN'R members were in the Wings before they joined GN'R? Did I miss something?? :hihi:



That's true. I saw plenty of GN'R t-shirts at the VR show in Stockholm. I hadn't seen so many GN'R shirts in one place since I saw GN'R in 1991.....




/jarmo

I dont understand why Scott would get so pissed. I love VR and loved hearing a few GnR covers. If Alter Bridge was to play a creed cover, and the fans starting shouting Creed Creed would that be offensive? They are 3/4 of creed, Maybe by the fans shouting GnR they are saying they want another cover. If you dont want to hear a GnR chant dont play a GnR cover, much less 3. Would they take offense if a group chanted CHEAP TRICK, after they play surrender?

I think Chanting GnR or Axl Sucks when VR plays is a compliment to VR. If the fans really hated VR they would either not go to the show or BOO them.


on a side note, I wish he would of chucked it at me. If he hits me I would be rich, if I fight and gain the mic I have a 1 of a kind souvenieer. But thats just crazy old Cowbell speaking

They weren't just chanting GnR in reverence to the band that wrote the song.  By all accounts it was a cat call--a way of mocking Scott, and to a lesser extent Dave.  Fans that were there have said Duff was trying to get down to fight the guy, and Slash said, "we aren't GnR, haven't you figured that out?"  So it wasn't Scott being over-sensitive.  Sure, he shouldn't have thrown the megaphone, but that's a different story.  By the way, when Scott was on his solo tour in 1997, there were some STP chants, and Scott had several rants about if they wanted STP they were at the wrong concert.

You're completely ass backwards.? It is much, much more logical to chant "SLASH" at a Guns N Roses show because Slash was the lead guitarist for Guns N Roses, and when people go to see Guns N Roses, they expect to see Guns N Roses.? It is NOT as logical for fans to chant Guns N Roses at a Velvet Revolver show because that band doesn't profess to be Guns N Roses.  Granted, if they're playing GNR songs, I can understand the chant, but it's much more logical to chant "SLASH" at a 'Guns N Roses' concert.

But in any case, it's disrespectful to the performers.


Yep, in 1989, Seb got hit with a bottle thrown by a man, and his response was to leap out into the crowd to kick the dude's ass, only he landed on top of a female fan who didn't throw the bottle, seriously injuring her.? The charges followed.

Yea, now I remember that Axl rant about staying on later and giving the crowd a full show.Then he said if they kick us out, the? crowd might riot...or somethign to that effect. Cool lil rant....
Dug it up...here it is...
Well, it appears that we're gonna have an interesting evening. You see the... the city council and the promoters say we have to like end the show. And they'll say that I'm... they could say maybe I'm enciting a riot. Now I'm not 'cuz I don't want anyone to get arrested or anyone to get in trouble or anything like that. But I think we got a good 7 or 8 fucking songs left at least to play for you. And I didn't fucking come all the way to fucking England to be told to go back home by some fucking asshole! All I've got for the last 8 years is shit after shit after shit in the fucking press and Axl's this, Axl's that - I'm here to play a fucking show and we wanna play! So... if you wanna stay, I wanna stay and we'll see what happens. Everybody - nobody try to get in trouble or anything and try to have a good time

Bottom line is if the band wants to avoid these kinds of run ins, they shouldnt play gnr songs. If they continue to play them, there will always be peopel who chant GNR or whatver simply because they just reminded the crowd where they came from with a gnr cover. They should just drop them and add some more songs from their album such as YGNR

I think when Scott sings "used to love her" its a bit over the top GNR. Scott should find another song to play. Im a GNR and Scott fan, but when i hear that song played...lets just say i dont enjoy it too much.

Common sense actually...since the shows leading up that one were plagued with "Fuck Axl" chants, and not "Guns N' Roses"... : ok:


Did you read the thread?  He didnt leave early...As for being insulted, I think its a safe bet that if fans are chanting something STP, GNR, or Axl-related over something VR-related, hes not going to be happy about it.


Band member or band name, whats the difference?  Theyre chanting for something thats not there - whether its Guns N' Roses or Slash.  I could just as easily say, "But they shouted out the name of the guitarist that made that riff and solo" and the principle is no different.  And I could say, "Well if Axl doesnt want to hear about Slash, he shouldnt play the old songs".  But unlike you, Im not interested in justifying that kind of stupidity.  Yeah Guns N' Roses wrote "Its So Easy," and 3 of the guys were in GNR...that doesnt make the chants appropriate, or any less disrespectful.



Theyre idiots anyway?




No arguement here.


What difference does that make?  Slash, Duff and Matt are no longer in Guns N' Roses, so chanting that at their Velvet Revolver concert is just as disrespectful.

Sure it might be disrespectful, but you have to remember that VR isn't selling concert tickets based on their "masterpiece" Contraband alone over here in Europe. How do you explain all the GN'R shirts in the audiences?

A lot of people go see VR because of the GN'R connection. So if that pisses off Duff and Slash, maybe they should tell the fans to leave if they want to see a GN'R show?  :P



/jarmo

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It seems youve turned this into a completely different thing, because as far as I know, seeing VR because youre a GNR (Slash/Duff/Matt) fan isnt the same thing as chanting "GNR," does it?

Regardless what points are brought up, there is no different thing.  It's all one big picture.  Axl and the new guns are of course always gonna be hassled because it's not the originals.   Regardless if Slash/Duff/Matt pull away and start a new band, they're still over half of the former Guns.  Hence shedding that image is gonna be impossible.  Did you think that just because they changed their name to Velvet Revolver (similar to Guns N Roses) that they could erase the GNR past?  Everytime I hear VR introduced the first thing said by either Letterman or whatever show is Featuring members of Guns N Roses.  Unfortunately they're not gonna be able to shed that image because of what GNR once was (the biggest band in the world)  and I think Tommy Stinson said it best when he said "we know people are here to see Axl and we're cool with that"   Scott was in a pretty popular band, but STP never came close to reaching the lengths of the world as GNR did.  So I think he should expect this and learn how to handle it.  And especially in a rock n roll crowd with people pumped up, do you think everyone is gonna be proper ?  Hell I was at Philadelphia for the little riot and those fans got out of hand before it was even known that Axl wasn't gonna be there.  They were booing Mix Master Mike something fierce, but he didn't throw his turntable at anyone.  Simply put, I kinda laugh when I see people blaming the crowd on this.  Sure they chanted, but that was it.  There was no crowd violence or throwing of glass bottles on stage. 

Well said...

Do you think those fans were STP fans then?

It's all tied together. Maybe those guys were unhappy with VR and this was their way off showing it?

Maybe they were happy because this was the first time they got to hear a GN'R track live?



/jarmo

It was a pretty daft thing for Scott to do, and it cannot be condoned at all. Sometimes I worry about the internal chemistry of VR; it all started out with good intentions, but I don't want shit like this to start popularity wars between Slash/Duff and Scott.

Would Scott have reacted the same way if guys were screaming for STP? I hope so, because that means that it isn't a simple case of petty jealousy on Scott's behalf because Slash, Duff and Matt are getting most of the attention from the crowds.

GNR were a huge, huge band in their day, and it'll take time for VR to shake the negativity that this part of the past brings with it, just like it'll take time for Axl's "new" band to be totally accepted, if and when they ever decide to venture into the spotlight again.

If VR ever decide to come to my small corner of the world, I'll be first in line for tickets, sporting a VR t-shirt.

Guns N' Roses was in the past... all the members of VR have accepted this, why can't the moronic fans at these shows do the same?

I understand all of this...however, that doesnt change the fact that those chanting "Guns N' Roses" during VRs set (or "Slash" during Axls) are assholes - plain and simple.? Like I said, Im not interested in justifying it or analyzing their motivation...theyre just assholes.?


Again,? ???

Yes, they were GNR fans...But being a GNR fan at a VR show doesnt mean you have to chant for GNR.? Im sure Slash and Duff accept that many GNR fans are going to their shows...however, they dont have to accept their new band being disrespected by these fans, and neither does Scott.



Okay...

Ill be awaiting all of these justifications should GNR ever tour again and we hear the chants of "Slash".

There will be no justifications needed. Its a given that peopel will chant Slash just to be a dick. BUt in future GNr shows they will have less of an oppurtunity to do so because 1} they will have new fans and 2} they will be touring on and playing mostly CD material.

We also wont have Axl throwing microphones at those idiots. We might get a lil snappy comment, but thats about it. I dont think Axl lets people liek that bother him to much unless they start shooting off fireworks or throwing bottles.

Guns N' Roses = a band Slash was part of.

Slash = a guitar player who left the above group.

There's a difference.

They weren't telling Weiland he sucks and Axl rules or that they miss Axl.



/jarmo

I think there is one thing we can agree on...VR is a little more dangerous now that going to their concert could mean getting your teeth knocked out by a flying megaphone, haha. ;)

Oh, so that's the reason for him doing it.

Some publicity and the image of being dangerous. ;)


/jarmo

Exactly...All of that calculation was done in the seconds between the chants and tantrum.  : ok:

She was injured by the bottle, but Seb also lept into the crowd and crashed down on top of this dude and began pummeling him.? I saw the video footage of it on that VH-1 show "The Most Shocking Moments of Rock n Roll".