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With the 2004 election gearing up, has Axl over the years hinted if he favors the democrats or republicans? Or does he even care at all? With many musicians gearing tours around a theme or having various politcal rants on stage ( Concert For Change, etc), it seems like more artists are speaking out. 

Personally I like the fact Axl doesn`t shove a political mesage down the throat of the audience. If fans want to attend a political rally, they wouldn`t have gone to a rock concert to begin with.

Autocratic...

Absolute Power... that is his preferance probably... not democracy because we the people are taken for granite here.

Thank You Point Made! ::)

Axl & his man handed brochures of political parties during the GN'R/Metallica/FNM tour, according to Hetfield it was one of the causes why the two band fell out. He didn't mention which political parties Axl supported, but he didn't like their opinion.

I'm glad that Axl doesn't get into politics.  There is nothing more annoying than having to listen to a singer or actor who never went to college droning on about politics.  Especially the people who are so concerned about the environment and drive SUV's.

This quote from Alice Cooper sums it up pretty well.

"If you are listening to a rock star in order to get your voting information on who to vote for, you are a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons."

me to thats what i cant stand about all the bands today, like for example i love pearl jam but i hate when they start taking politics its like shut ip and play some fuckin rock n roll.  I dont need anybod telling me what i should vote for or who i should vote for, i vote for who i think best benefits me and my believes i think everyone should do the same and be left to make up there own mind and not have the hollywood people and all these rock stars trying to do it for you

well, I think the song "one in a million" sums-up all that story. Probably an extremist American christian political point of vue, I wouldn't be surprised if it was that kind of brochures. But I do think Axl has changed his mind over these last years, he is not the same than in the late 80's/early 90's. He seems more intelligent now, more mature in his head.

If you're implying that Axl was endorsing any extreme politcal group then you're dead wrong.  If he had been doing that then the media would have been on his ass because of it and they would never shut up about it.

"One in a million" is a song, it's not a personal polticial manifesto from Axl.  By saying that you're just playing into the hands of the Axl haters.

calm down, it was a supposition. I just say I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was that.
Or maybe a sect? (remember Yoda  ::))

I dont know about you but axl has never given me the immpression of being of or having  an "extremist American Christian political point of vue"  and just because he talks badly about african americans, homosexuals, and immigrants in one in a million that doesnt make it an "extremist american christian political point of vue." 

We all know that during a period of his life Axl went crazy with strange reincarnation psychotic things, and yoda, and paranoia, and terrific ultra-Indus ideas for his music etc...(look at my world, oh my god ans silkworms). That was just insane. I just hope he will come back to reason and release a classic-rock vibe album. He has the band to do it.

I'm sorry what?
This thread isn't about what the album's going to sound like.
Stick to the topic.

What has that to do with politics? A conservative person would make one kind of songs while a liberal person something else?

All people who make industrial music are crazy?  ???



/jarmo

crazy I don't know but that's a WEIRD style of music...and totally "has-been" as we speak now. Let's back to Rock n' Roll (pure rock tracks, ballads, accousic songs, pop/rock songs, blues Rock vibe whatever, just Rock music in general)

If I had to guess, I'd say he leans towards being Conservative, as am I, but I bet he's very moderate...

dude shut the fuck up....

as for the thread. If I had to guess I think Axl is for John Kerry, unfortunately :{

I say its a possibility because Dizzy mentioned in an interview how he is against Bush and for Kerry. He sounded kind of passionate abourt it. So I'm assuming most of the gnr cam feel the same way. I can see some political discussion goin on while there louging around watching tv. Just my guess though....hopefully im wrong though

I hate it when bands tell you who to vote for.  I think it really hurts them.  For example I wont listen to or buy Springsteen or Mellancamp music anymore because of it.  I know during the 92 election Axl made a joke about voting for Clinton even though hes in idiot because he smoked pot.   Axl is a hard person to figure out.  Some ways I would see him as a republican and other ways a dem.  Hes very pro military and the song one in the million is as far right as it goes.  But Civil War is far left.  I like it that I dont know what he is because if he did start ranting about how he hates Bush I might consider not listening to him anymore.  It would be tough but I just dont like it when they do it.  They have the easiest life in the world and dont need to be telling regular people who they want to lead this country.  Me being military makes me hate them even more when they do it.  Because none of these guys served and act like they are doing us a favor.  Axl did make so very pro military statements during the Panama war and Destert Storm 1 so I like him because of it.  The only reason I wasent offended by the Dizzy thing because when he said it he didnt say it on stage and it wasent even in a interview.  He was just having a conversation and and the reporter wrote down what he said.

Why don't you?
As much as you don't like it, the guy's allowed to say what he thinks.  He wasn't insulting anyone, just saying what he thought.  However much you may dislike it doesn't matter.
Try respecting the rules.

Well I don't think it's all bad when entertainers get political-ala Pearl Jam. One thing they should be credited for doing is getting people interested, I mean indifference is the worst thing. However I have to agree with Alice trying to get at, anyone who votes a certain way or holds a political belief based on a rock stars views shouldn't be allowed to tie their own shoes.

No, Axl is very liberal in some respects, he's a democrat if anything.  I never heard the story of political pamphlets being passed out at the gnr/metallica shows.  What's the source on that? 

nesquick, I hope not to disrespect you, but you made the most pathetic posts I have ever seen.

 :no:

Oh My God, for example, is a very intelligent song, there's no relationshi between an industrial-style song and "strange reincarnation psychotic things, and yoda, and paranoia"  :P

I don't have a problem with a musician sharing his political views.

This sums it up:

  I'm observing this thread with particular interest.  Why?  I just wonder what our non-American friends think of this topic.

  In my opinion, I think Axl is like most Americans and probably has a few certain issues that are important to him personally.  This country is divided almost down the middle on Kerry and Bush.  Any public figure (especially in the entertainment issue) should know better than to alienate half of the consumers out there.  BUT, if I had to guess, just from what I hear in the music, Axl takes a pretty libertarian stance.  Basically, as long as I'm not hurting anybody, don't fuck with me. 

  Also, maybe it was the esteemed BuddhaMaster who brought up the issue of repression of freedom of expression here in the States under Bush's "tougher" FCC.  I would think that with ClearChannel being one of the major media companies that is chummy with Bush for certain "business-friendly" stances Bush has taken, this would be another reason why Axl would not be a big Bush fan.  Just my opinion.

  Also, of course Axl supported the first Gulf War...just about everyone did.  This war is different.  Remember, it is possible to support the troops, wish them well, but also to disagree with the war.  Please don't forget that.

  Also remember Garden of Eden..."most organized religions make a mockery of humanity (represents the foolishness of the religious right extremists who BTW support Bush), our governments are dangerous and outta control (Bush's war in Iraq?)  Just some food for thought.

Sincerely,
Axl4Prez2004 

Oh yea, unless you have a college education you should not be allowed to voice your opinion.? My friend is a lawyer, and is totally out of the loop with politics. I have another friend who is an electrition and probably could take any major newscaster head on and win in a debate.

Freedom of speach is a wonderful thing. Everybody gets to speak.

Nothing is more annoying than hearing Bill O'reilly say something, and then read somebody else write the same thing on the internet.? :hihi:

Yeah and its also possible to support the war and vote for it, and reaffirm this support even if there wasnt any WMD a few months away from a presidential election (just two or three weeks ago), and then not support the troops by voting against the funding needed to support them and leaving them hanging dry, dont believe me ask Kerry



yes some of the religious right is extreme but not all of them, im not that big on organized religion but i bet if you met some members of the religious right they would be normal people not crazy extremist as they are painted out to be, as to your comment on the war in iraq, thats your opinion, just like mine that the war was neccessary given what we knew and the world knew (as our intelligence and the world communities intelligence supposed sadam had WMD),? but i think its not fair as well as damn hard to say take axls lyrics and try to determine axls political views, cause the feelings hes expressing could be feelings he is feeling at the moment and then later when the feeling passes he returns to his normal views not only that but they where written so long ago that they have nothing to do with the war.

i think honestly that the only way to find out was to talk axl himself or to somebody who knows axl and ask them but i for one dont want to here politics from entertainers such as actors and musician, i want to be entertained not preached to cause if i wanted that i would go to church, so im glad axl doesnt do it, cause thats what turned me off from Pearl jam

I believe they do have the right.  I didnt say they shouldnt be able to speak their views.  I just said I dont like it and when they do I stop buying and listening to their music.  I dont like when people who let being famous get their head try to tell me who to vote for.  Play you music and thats it.  I wouldnt say everyone supported desert storm.  I can actually think about a lot who didnt.  Johnny Cash and Lenny Kravitz are two that prostested it that I can think of off my head.

The source is a 10+ years old Metal Hammer interview with James Hetfield.

not to offend anybody but Bush might be a even bigger danger for the world than this sick fuccker called Osama Bin Laden. Bush ain't even the president of the US, it seems like his father is. Didn't you notice that he got the team of his father back on track.Mr Bush sen. needs to finish his mission from gulf war 1 in 1991 when he let the army get back home and allow Hussein to kill 10.000 Kurds (spelling?) in the north of the iraq. But he was trying to free the country.
Might be that it was and is about the oil?????
The US need to  keep a global relevance and the only way they could do that is by playing the "world police" without giving a fuck about what the UNO or other countries say. The american economy is just a big "bubble". This country imports way more that they export. That's one reason why Mr Bush cancelled this "clima contract" back in (i guess) 2002.Don't misunderstand me! i am not anti american, actually i really like that country but Bush is dangerous man.
What the States are doing today is nothing but pure Imperialism and if you think the iraqi peolpe are free now and we can all thank Mr Bush for it you might think again......
To get back to the topic: I would assume Axl is a democratic

you are a moron. I don't like Bush but I'm fed up with this idea of stupid communist people in the world. I think the most dangerous people in the world are terrorists and arabic dictators (bin laden, arafat, al quaeda, hamas, talibans, palestinians terrorists etc...) because they want to destruct the free-world and kill our modern societies , and all these stupids "anti-mondialists" people who still think we are in 1920's with Staline and Co. THEY are dangerous. I don't like Bush, I want Kerry to be the President, but at least Bush isn't a dictator or a terrorist. He is just an idiot ultra-conservative guy.
Bush is a joke. I'm french but I guarantee you that I'm not as stupid as many french people who hate America in my country.  I try to be the most sincere possible. I love America, they save us twice during the 1st and the 2nd world war, without America Europe would be ruined. For me the best American President was Bill Clinton. Really a fantastic guy. He was VERY appreciated. Don't care of the monica liwinsky scandal, Clinton was the best in his president job.
A good guy.

Here's one:

In my opinion Bush isn't the smartest man in the world. Most of what he says and does aren't his thoughts but of his party and the people around him. But that doesn't matter. The thing is, which is important to me, is that they make a stand against the Muslim society all around the world. Because the Arab/Muslim society has only one goal and that is to RULE the world.

And since I am born and raised in the Western civilization I prefer anything above the Muslim religion and its culture. Here in Holland the Muslims are getting more aggressive and more intolerant towards the original inhabitants; the Dutch people. I see that happening more and more across Europe. Also in France its really getting worse and worse with whole towns being turned into Muslim cities.

I read an article a while ago in a Dutch opinions magazine. It said that although Bush isn't the smartest man in the world or America's best president, he and his following are seeing that there must be something done against the Arab muslim society. Otherwise within no time the muslim culture will be superior to the western civilization.

When I look around in my own hometown I see more and more Muslim groups terrorizing and chasing away the original inhabitants. There's 6 year old  kids screaming into the TV camera's that the country will be theirs within 10-20 years. Within 10 years in the big cities in Holland 65 percent of its inhabitants will be Muslim. No need to tell you what kind of regime those cities will get.

So I don't think its a war against terror. Its a war against the threat that the Muslim and the Arab world is to our Western Civilization. And they can't say that out loud, cause then the whole world would be in a world war in no time.

So for that I do support Bush, because I do think it is about that. Its us or them. And since I'm not born as a Muslim and I really, really don't like their culture so I choose the Western civilization. And if its not about that I still support him because all of the reason's I mentioned above. Man, I even think about moving to the USA or Canada just to live in environment that is free of the Muslims. I've been open to every culture and lifestyle but they just fucked it up too many times.

Also, my opinion is not one that is appreciated here in Holland. Most people say Bush is stupid, and that we have to live together with the Muslims. I don't believe its possible.....There's a big anti-american thing goin on here in Europe. Michael Moore is the bomb.

I think we shouldn't exagerate but however this is the same situation in France, and more generally in Europe. In France,? lots of young muslims have attacked jewish people (antisemitism in France is well known) over these last 3 or 4 years., I'm jewish and I have been attaked 3 times by arabics since the second Intifada (around 2001) in Paris. But at the same time my best friend, a childhood friend is arabic. Si I do have confused though because I Love him you know, I mean We have known each other for more than 15 years! that's great! but at the same time I was attaked 3 times by arabics so...this is very weird.
lots of jewish leave France to go to Israel or United States because they feel very insecure in France. United States or Israel are tolerent countries for jewish, France isn't anymore. It's becoming an islamic country little by little. 3 days ago I came back to Paris and the FIRST people I saw were 4 islamic women with dark taliban costume in "porte de la chapelle" in Paris. I was like "Oh shit...". Do you think it's normal? No, it's not. Fuck that! we are in France not in Kaboul or Gaza. Sometimes I don't feel in France. This is NOT racism, this is just an observation. They are about 10 millions here in France. There are lots of problems, everyday. That sucks? ???

And this has what to do with axl favouring any political party?

Either get back to the topic or this is getting locked.

Yeah and its also possible to support the war and vote for it, and reaffirm this support even if there wasnt any WMD a few months away from a presidential election (just two or three weeks ago),

you speak as if they are going to find them...we have a better shot at hearing Chinese Democracy next week. :)

and then not support the troops by voting against the funding needed to support them and leaving them hanging dry, dont believe me ask Kerry

Please don't be misleading.  First of all, there was a rush to war led by Mr. Bush even before our troops had the proper protective gear.  Families of troops over there had to raise money in their home towns to send it over to them.  Axl probably wouldn't support this.  If you watched the misleading tv commercials that make it sound like Kerry says no to every bit of help for the troops, it's pieced together to make Kerry look bad.  There was an $87 billion bill to aid the troops.  Kerry wanted attached to this bill a rollback (basically take away) the tax cut to those wealthy folks who make over $400,000 a year.  Bush said no.  Now, here's where Axl might side with Bush.  Axl's a wealthy guy who climbed his way into high society from a pretty modest upbringing.   But, he may have seen the need for social programs to help the poorest of the poor...who knows.   



yes some of the religious right is extreme but not all of them, im not that big on organized religion but i bet if you met some members of the religious right they would be normal people not crazy extremist as they are painted out to be,


I find anyone who legislates their religious beliefs upon me as "crazy extremists."  While I am personally against abortion, for you to say that hypothetically my daughter is raped and impregnated, and is forced to give birth to this child, this is alright? hell no.  I think Axl could see that point of view (personally pro-life, legislating pro-choice)

   as to your comment on the war in iraq, thats your opinion, just like mine that the war was neccessary given what we knew and the world knew (as our intelligence and the world communities intelligence supposed sadam had WMD),? but i think its not fair as well as damn hard to say take axls lyrics and try to determine axls political views, cause the feelings hes expressing could be feelings he is feeling at the moment and then later when the feeling passes he returns to his normal views not only that but they where written so long ago that they have nothing to do with the war.

i think honestly that the only way to find out was to talk axl himself or to somebody who knows axl and ask them but i for one dont want to here politics from entertainers such as actors and musician, i want to be entertained not preached to cause if i wanted that i would go to church, so im glad axl doesnt do it, cause thats what turned me off from Pearl jam

That's why you'll never hear Axl take a side on that, he's alot of things, and "stupid businessman" is not one of them.  Why alienate half of his consumers???  Seriously though, Axl left the overwhelmingly conservative American mid-west (Indiana) with a pretty big chip on his shoulder.  If I had to guess, personally, I think my favorite rock star, Mr. Axl Rose is Independent.

Sincerely,
Axl4Prez2004  :beer:

It's extremely amusing to see you call someone a moron for stating their opinion only to spout off your own misinformed (in MY opinion) opinion.

The Palestinians aren't interested in destroying the free world or killing modern society. They wouldn't give a shit about America if it wasn't backing Israel. Take, for example, the illegal (judged so by the UN and condemned by the global community) settlements, built on land illegaly seized by Israel in the 1960s. For years even America criticized the Israelis for those settlements, only to give in this month and say "ok, keep the lands you stole." And meanwhile, Israel has been spying on America and New Zeland, its own allies.

And none of it gets the Palestinians any closer to having their own country.

Arafat is corrupt, but he's the lesser of two evils (btw I'm neither Israeli nor Palestinian, not Arab or Jew, just a semi-interested observer watching one of the longest running conflicts in history unfold). He even won the peace prize back with Rabin, and things were going great until Jewish extremists assassinated their own leader.

Now there's Sharon, and here's something telling. Sharon was indicted for war crimes in an international court, though he never faced them. His ineptitude in Syria cost a lot of lives. On the day he came to power, a friend of mine who at the time was serving in the Israeli army left me a message, saying that there would be no peace as long as Sharon was in power.

As for al Queada - they have no interest in destroying the free world either, that's just a catch phrase Bush has used in his election campaign and earlier political spotlights. They actually put out a list of demands many years ago revealing what it would take for them to stop targetting Americans. This was in the 90s. It including: stop backing Israel, pull military bases out of the Middle East (mainly Saudi Arabia, where bin Laden is from), and a change in US froeign policy.

The "hating freedom/the west/the world" BS is simply propaganda. There are a few nutjobs, to be sure, but don't think for a minute that it's as simplistic as "they're all crazy/hate freedom."

i don't think axl understood politics.  ::)