Here Today... Gone To Hell!

As an ex emplotee of Glasgows SECC (Stage builder/Leveler for concerts), I still keep in contact with my old boss who still drinks in my local.? On Tuesday night he told me that GNR are penciled in for a date in December (although not confirmed).?

Anyone else from Scotland who'll be attending?

I'll post the exact date once confirmed. : ok:



Edit: New subject line. /jarmo

hmmm..the plot thickens ???

 :smoking: What ???

I believe that you were told this, but I wouldnt consider someone getting pissed in a pub a confirmed source.  :peace:

As with anything else in this little world of ours though, who knows?

"penciled in" in conjunction with "GNR" usually means not gonna happen, but we'll see.... let us know if he finds out more.

 ???, as in who knows. quizzical.

I can confirm that what grabaraxl said about the "ball is already rollin" is indeed true. And the fact that the european tour is being arranged and that dates are starting to show up confirms it...

These rumors only add fuel to my excitement fire. I would just like to see one confirmed date ANYWHERE in the world. Thats all it will take for me to believe its coming SOON.

man I hate rumors, never can tell if there real until it happens :rant:
I hope this is true as it wouls be an indication that GNR machine is starting back up : ok:
but I'll wait n see n not get my hopes up as with gnr u never know until it happens :-\

peace :Peace:

Can you really confirm this as a fact? Or just something you've heard?

grabaraxl knows his shit. he has loads of friends who are top at record labels and promoters...  he has his info and I've been personal friend of his for a long time. That's all I can say.

I don't Lourenco/Lourenzito face to face but he's a good guy!?I trust him.  : ok:? :peace:

I thought maybe it was VR but they're playing in August.

 :nervous:

Grabaraxl,
   Could you poke around and see who the promoter is?

I heard about possible dates in December last week.

But it was unsure if it was a tour or promotional trip at that point. Now if they've booked a venue I guess it might be a tour.




/jarmo

Don't want to bum anybody out, but I have seen hundreds of rumors come and go on this board.? : ok: Be a smart GNR fan? : ok:

Whats that supposed to mean PhillyRiot??

I am just saying I need something from the GNR website or MTV.Com to get really excited.  With all the speculation that has come and gone, I think that's fair.

What about the rest of the US dates that were cancelled?

I want GN'R in Biloxi, MS! ;D

In my case it wasn't just some person who heard it on the radio at midnight while driving home.

Or somebody who read it on another GN'R board, where it had been posted by some guy who had heard it from his cousin's best friend's ex-girlfriend's hairdresser.  :hihi:


Now, it's possible this may not happen, but I don't think the people who are telling us about this, are making it up.



/jarmo

If that's true, it means the album will come out in 2004. There's just no fuckin way the band will go on tour again without a CD in stores.

Exciting stuff if true  : ok: Wonder if it would be a full UK tour?

....could Chinese Democracy REALLY be starting in 2004?  :nervous:

I'm sure if Axl is putting together a tour for Europe it will include all the most popular places. Once Axl gets started, I dont think he will be fooling around, he cant afford another screw-up at this point. If they start touring at the end of the year it will be the real deal, and that means that Chinese Democracy will come out around that time period. Here's to hoping all of this is true!!! :beer:

Nicely Put...I agree...now we just need an official word

Rest assured that if this turns out to be true i'll be at the SECC alright!! I live 20mins from Glasgow and already me and my mates have tickets for the VR show. Seeing Axl would be the icing on the cake  :)

Im going to be heading into Glasgow within the next few days anyway so i'll pop over to the SECC and do some poking around in the off chance i can find something out  : ok:

I want to believe this... But then again... Naaaahhh. Heard it too many times before...

If this is all true, we will get the album in November!

I booked tickets for GNR in the Glasgow SECC a couple of years back. Paid for Flight tickets and Hotel too. Then they pulled out. Was a waste of my hard earned cash. hanks alot Axl. That time the show was even confirmed on the SECC website. So people be warned, dont book anything until you really know its going ahead.

Just some friendly advice. Wouldnt like to see anyone else get stung like I did!!! : ok:

I doubt it, Will. Didn't Tommy said it would be released "sometime down the road" or semething like this?

Wouldn't surprise me if they go on tour and release 5 or 6 months later. It's not what I'd like, but I see it like a big possibility.

That would not be a very good move in my opinon (especially because of 2001/2002) but yeah, it's still likely...

When he says sometime down the road, i don`t think he means while they are "on the road" (touring). Down the road meaning, at somepoint in the future. It should be a lot sooner than 5-6months!

JARMO - Can you tell me where you heard the possible December dates.  Sounds heard it from a reliable source?

No, I can't say who told me or what that person does.

But I have no reason to doubt the information. I heard it about 1.5 weeks ago, tried to find out more and then got kinda busy with moving the site. Now it seems like other people have heard the same thing.


/jarmo

In my case it wasn't just some person who heard it on the radio at midnight while driving home.

IRS :D

I agree but if they plan on waiting to release CD, atleast release your first single before the tour starts, I think that would help out some. Slither came out in early may and they released Set Me Free a year earlier on the HULK soundtrack. Just tease me some, I'd be ok for a while with a new studio single.



THE IRON IS HOT AND HASNT BEEN HOTTER. STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE!

People who have claim to have met Axl say that he told them they will tour before the CD is released,but tommy said they will release it and then will get in a big van and tour.


Being a GNR fan ain't easy. :crying:

Big Van I bet the band will have atleast 3-4 Fullsize Buses. Axl needs his space for nap time.

damn..you're a serious info holder..







as far to this rumour. I guess this "tour" rumour was next to come after that BTS's CD november release date. Don't expect too much..

what we need is an official confirmation, and if there is gonna be a tour more venues are gonna be booked which means that if contact has been made in scotland then at other venues in europe there has to have been contact made also, so if you euro gunners could do some poking around at diffrent venues GNR tend to book in Europe and see if you can get some info it mgiht shed some light as to whats going on, is it gonna be a full fledged tour of europe, or just a couple of gigs in a couple of venues, if you guys in europe could try and do that it would fuuckin rock

peace :peace:

This rumour,apart from CD releases, is the one i want to happen the most.


I'm gonna give the SECC a call and ask about the rumour on the off chance they might have heard them : ok:

Hmm.. everyone from europe could do some researce here. I will e-mail Oslo Spektrum, and ask if they know anything

They wont tell you anything dude, unless it's official. I tried this in 2001.

I hope it's true!I would like to see them come to America and rock the south.

Well, it *seems* that things will really heat up as the weather cools down.....from what was being discussed in the thread about Tommy's show, and what Jarmo and others have said in this thread, and then (if you want to) throw in the Rumorboard, it looks like the ball is rolling. That doesnt mean Axl can't pick it up suddenly and walk back to his mansion, but this is all VERY interesting. Keep up the detective work, guys  : ok: !

I've been on this planet for 20 years,and this is the first time I can't wait for the summer to end!   :)

I've been told by two different sources that when something happens, like this, it will definitely have to do with the album. That could mean it's a warm-up gig, or in a full tour, but it will definitely be something more than a repeat of 2002. Fortunately, that means that any rumored dates will be in conjunction with the album, be it before or after the release...

I'll have to make sure and be back in scotland by then, god i hope it's true.

I have my fingers and toes crossed!!!

If this happens to be true will the street teams be unleashed??

the only thing is, Jarmo usually doesn't post most of the rumors under the news secction of this site, like he did with this one, which means he believes this is at least a little more than a fart in the wind, like most of the rumors.

Let's keep our fingers crossed....

I hate to bring it up again but the admin at the rumour board had this as one of the definate UK venues which were on standby to host GNR in the summer.

He then had info. that a European tour was possible end of November (reported 28th July) and that promoters were still on hold from the summer plans.

I gotta stick up for the guy, too much good info.

@#$%Muther

Who's sure All that glitters is gold??:coffee: in a sudden Stairway boom lately.

Isn't this the same poster that started a thread (immediately locked by Jarmo), saying that the guy whos serves him breakfast told him that the original GNR had accepted a $30m cheque to reunite!?  :confused:

The guy at the Rumourboard today has added Spain, Germany and Sweden as places that GNR might be playing on a winter European tour.

On Spain:

"A source at Gamerco says they've heard gnr may be playing a couple of Spanish dates in December. Promoter would be Troubleshooter

It's only rumour though"

On Germany:

"Up to three dates are provisionally booked for the last week of November (according to one source). Promoter would be K2/Lieberberg/Wizard

This maybe seems too early though"


He said he would have more on a possible Swedish date next week.

All I know is I want a warm up show in the U.S. before they go over, And I am very hopeful that it will happen before the end of the year. Thanks for giving me more hope!!

Not to sound like a butt-boy for the Rumourboard guy, BUT he did say he thought that the label was set to launch gunsnroses.com within next week or two, but Axl stopped it. It would make sense that if a tour is being booked and the record is about to be dropped, that a website is being desgined to promote these two things. Just something to think about....

Hey GNR guys, play in Belfast. Dublin will also be acceptable but Belfast, better.

Please come to The Netherlands!!!! I had tickets for 2001. :P

France, Belgium, Switzerland,England even Spain or Italy... where you want but come  ;D :beer:

That's strange - usually by now someone ha smanaged to dismiss this. I guess not even our sleuths can be bothered to disprove this nonsense

There is no way there is a tour in the works - surely Tommy or Dizzy or Lizzy or Vader or whoever the fuck is left in the band would have been aware of it - half of them are already on tour somewhere - doesn't strike me as the behaviour of people about to hit a European tour - don't they need rehersal time?

I'm afriad endless disappointments have made me rather cynical to rumours, and as rumours go this isn't particularily convincing

You have a good point here Izzy...

I think endless disappointments have made a rather bitter and negative person.

Tommy's tour ends in September 10, this rumoured tour is Dec/Jan. Unless a band member announces tour dates for November, they would have enough time to get things prepared.

Yes, so why is this thread getting so much attention?  ::)

This info might fit in with what Jarmo's heard,  but the chances of the poster of this thread having 2 ppl  give him inside info in GnR in the space of 2 weeks is unfathomable.

 ??? ??? ???

Izzy,
   I've got some emails out, but it IS the weekend. :)  If the rumor is complete BS, I'll get a firm "No",  if there's some truth to the rumor at all, I'll prolly get something along the lines of a "No comment".  Hopefully, I'll hear more by Monday.

If Axl wants everybody back in January.....then a tour would not start until Februrary of March.

There gonna need to learn how to play all the new songs they will likely debut on tour.  I'm sure none of them remember how to play any of the many new songs after Axl has tinkered with them for years.

I don't a true musician or a talented one will forget how to play. I am sure Axl has tinkered with with for the Album but they still had to play the parts for the album. With his talented Guns I doubt they would forget.

To be fair, having doubts is understandable.

However, it actually seems that the doubters are the ones clutching at straws with their reasoning this time.

Admit it, no one has found a half decent reason why a tour couldn't start around this time.

We should all keep trying tho, it's our job to weed out any false hopes.  : ok:

@#$%Muther

Is it time to rally the wagons and get the street team rolling?

I think for the average band, the street team idea is kind of cool. But for G N' R... I think that if Axl wanted any of my input or assistance, he would have kept me informed on the situation or at least threw me an ask for help. But best to you who choose to street-team the prospect of a new record. I think you will be well received as G N' R still has quite a bit of respect for what they were 'back in the day'.

P.S. I hope that all you Europeans get to finally to see G N' R on a proper tour of your countries. I was one of the lucky ones to see them in 2002 here in London, Ontario, Canada and it was one of the best nights of my life.

Big deal,I have friends in record labels but I don't go around bragging about it,and besides no one who is not W.Axl Rose or his managment doesn't know shit about what's going on with GN'R. :peace: :smoking:

Best thing to do is get notify by pollstar website for guns n roses tour dates they are pretty good with what is going on  : ok:

I guess the only thing that could cause a problem is brain (and possibly buckethead). I'm sure CCBBB will want to do a bit of touring when their new album comes out.

Rumourboard Admin strikes again!

Here is what he says about the possible Spain dates :

"Two dates, Madrid and Barcelona, I will check further on this. "

 As I said above, I sent off a couple of emails to some friends of mine who might have info on any possible Euro tour goings on. Got this response from a friend of mine via email:

Nothing definitive yet.



That's it.? His entire response.? I sent him back an email asking if that means something is in the works but is not finalized, or if he means they he hasn't heard anything at all, beyond the same rumors we're hearing.? I'll let the speculation begin until I hear back something (hopefully something more concrete) more from him.


Edit: got a response back from him.  It says:

"In the Works, but Very Very early in the process.  Nothing is final or definitive.  Everything is tentative.  Whole thing could tumble like a house of cards or not. Go ahead and share since there is not much to share."

Cool, thanks for the info, pilferk.   Yet one more source that points towards end of the year happenings.

Always the same countries though: Spain, Germany and the UK. (well, there was Belgium in 2002). I wonder if they'll tour other countries in "Europe".

I was told that GN'R have been looking for two kinds of venues. Both arenas and clubs/theatres are being looked into.

I can't tell you the names of the venues or the city/country (for obvious reasons).


Just like in 2003 there were rumors of an European tour and nothing happened. So we'll have to see what happens.




/jarmo

Either way, it's starting to feel like we're getting closer.

Pilferk's comments (as well as yours Jarmo) are reassuring in that at least that void of communication between the real world and the GN'R camp seems to have been bridged long enough to cause a stir. Someone's seems to be laying the groundwork for something.

It's all cool in my books right now. Dude.

hopefully it doesnt tumble like a house of cards, im crossing my fingers that it doesnt thanks for the info Pilferk : ok:

peace :peace:

Thanx for the info, Pilferk and Jarmo


Clubs or theatres? Excellent! :D

Yeah it's great, it means they sell out as fast as hell.

I think the real question is: IF they tour (big if as we have been down this Euro road 3-4 times), will our little Bucket boy be back in the mix....I am thinking that he will be. :hihi: :hihi: Why, because it seems like a short period of time to recruit someone new and get them up to speed on the old and new songs.

Well I think this is verry interesting givs us somthing to talk about besides those what if threads

Appreciate the info, as tentative as it is......if they can hold it together and cultivate these rumblings,. we could be in for some fun yet this year.....great for optimism guys

And remember in 2001 there was a European tour scheduled, but apprently Axl was unaware of it. ::)
In any case, I think there is some room for tempered optimism here, as *many* people in the European GnR community have heard rumblings (however faint) about this. And I think the general consesus would be that it makes sense for them to start in Europe when they start up again, where promoters and fans are more likely to back up and spend money on the product. If it's true, I hope for Will's sake he gets a show in France, or in Tupelo if they come to the US again, poor guy  ;).

Think about how long it took to get Gilby in the mix after Izzy left. I don't think it's hard to believe that they found someone to replace Buckethead. On the other hand, just the plans of a tour may have been enough to get Bucket back into the fold.

Who knows??

I honestly think when Bucket here's the words "tour" or "album release", he'll be there with bells on. the whole "Bucket leaving GNR" situation is/was very strange, with all the talk of contractual obligations and whatnot. but all of the doubters can suck it down and stfu: no matter how much you want this band to stay in hiding, a tour *IS* in the works...

I checked with management and Buckethead is still contracted to gnr and therefore still a member of gnr.

I am not implying anything but I thought you might be interested anyway.

I have thought from the beginning that Bucket's departure was just a lie so that Axl had an excuse to take more time on the CD.

I'm convinced tha if a tour is in the works, that BH is back in the band....OTOH, I do think maybe BH really did want out earlier this year, perhaps b/c he was fed up with lack of progress on touring and CD...I just can't see anybody staking their reputations and accepting blame about cancelling a major gig in order to conver Axl's butt....who knows. I think what may have happened (IF things are going down as rumored) is that Axl found himslef in a conundrum where he has tons of material recorded with BH, which he knew he couldnt afford to scrap, and BH found himself with a contract that would hamper efforts he had to move on from GnR, and some agreement was reached wherein Axl promised that this was really it, and BH agreed to drop his grievances and come back in. I gues the next few months will tell us all we need to know.

Question to Mysteron and all others involved in the music industry: How unusual is it for a band to have contracts such as these, particularly with all these confidentiality agreements and everything? This whole situation has always seen beyond odd to me.

i sent an email to the SECC basically saying i heard and rumour and if they could'nt shed any more. i expected nothing and that what i got


"Thank you for your website enquiry.

At this time, no forthcoming Guns n Roses concert has been confirmed.

Please check our websites at www.secc.co.uk and www.secctickets.com for
frequently updated concert information.

Regards

Customer Care Dept.
SECC"


although "no forthcoming Guns N' Roses concert has been confirmed"  ::)

The keyword here is confirmed I think somthing is up and in the works

Hmm.. Im still waiting for Oslo Spektrum to answer my email.  :-*

Hmmm, that's kinda weird considering what Axl said about him in his press release about 4 months ago:

"The band has been put in an untenable position by guitarist Buckethead and his untimely departure. During his tenure with the band Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment - despite being under contract - creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence."
(...)
"According to those who have actually spoken with Buckethead it appears his plans were to secure a recording contract with Sanctuary Records which I encouraged my management to make available to him, quit GN'R and to use his involvement in the upcoming Guns release to immediately promote his individual efforts...Nice guy!"

Maybe they had a discussion or something? I don't know, as usual we're in the dark on this. If Axl said Bucket has left the band, I tend to believe him though. Nothing against your post Mysteron, just wondering. Thanx for your info.

I just e-mailed the venue as well.  I don't think we'll hear anything for a couple of more weeks, but something WILL happen before the summer is over.  It usually works out this way with Axl giving us news at the most un-expected times.

But doesn't that mean if he was erratic and inconsistent when he was under contract but officially in, he could just be waiting for his contract to expire while he's officially out?

I think under contract means they can use him on the album and they can sue him for money spent on him and lost because of him.

I don't think they can force him to be in GnR but they can sue him for millions and scare him back if they wanted.

Yeah - and show the world how far they have fallen. Axl would be humiliated - 85 milliuon album sales and play to 200 people?

He would be as well to give up now.

Bullshit, it is great that they are considering clubs etc allong with arena's. It is something different and it keeps performing interesting as well. The ambiance is usually more intence in a small venue. It is great for people to see them from a close range too. It would be a great and smart idea.  :D

Rock on!!!!

Exactly
Guns would be playing clubs and theatres because they WANT to, not have to,. The Rolling Stones played clubs and theatres on their last tour. Dylan does it sometimes. Both can still sell out arenas.

"Yeah - and show the world how far they have fallen. Axl would be humiliated"

 ::)

Got a mail from Oslo Spektrum today, but nothing new:

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Hei,
 
Vi har ikke f?tt noen informasjon om at Guns N Roses kommer til Oslo Spektrum.
 
F?lg med p? v?r internettside, l?nner seg ogs? ? melde seg p? v?rt nyhetsbrev, du vil da f? en mail om nye konserter som g?r i salg.
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In English:

Hi,

We have not got any information if Guns N Roses is comming to Oslo Spektrum

This pretty much say, that nothing will happen this year....

Maybe next year.... : ok:

How do you figure that? It says that they're working on or considering booking a tour. It's only the start of August. There would be nothing unreasonable about a handful of UK/Europe dates being announced for mid December in September. Presumably a fuller tour would follow in January.

Obviously we aren't going to see a large US tour this year, but a European tour can last for only 2 or 3 weeks if they only hit the prime locations.

How do i figure??

The GNR camp are working very slow.... And i think they need to rehearsel in November/December, before a tour can start... Just my thoughts...

All this tour stuff is just rumours.... :yes:

GN'R in Europe would be really cool...

But I'm don't want to start thinking about things I'm too afraid to even say out loud.

Yeah, cucumber, mine-is-bigger-than-yours mentality is beyond me. :headscratch:

I think Axl is a kind of guy who studies and thinks out things hell very well before making a move.

It was probably all staged.  Buckethead loves being looked at as bizarre, erratic, etc.  It seems he's be up for something like that press release.

The odd construction of the apology letter, the timing of his departure(MTV article)
and everything indicates - a FARCE. :coffee:

And I hope I'm not wrong. ;D

Totally disagree with you Izzy, playing clubs would not only allow people in cities with no big arena (like Leeds, despite being a city of 1million people  :confused:)  to see them, and thus boost popularity and give them more respect in the hardcore rock scene. If they just did clubs the media would bash them for falling really far but if club dates are mixed in with a mainly arena, festival or stadium tour they couldn't say that as most nights they'd be performing to like 20,000 people!

If GNR do come to glasgow or anywhere ın brıtaın ıll be there see ıf they come there wıll be no  buckethead wıll we have a new guıtarıst or just Fınck & Fortus does anyone have any ınfo that sıtıuatıon. Funny were talkıng about GNR comıng to Glasgow ı had a dream they came to hampden (Huge Soccer stadıum) and played a new year gıg weırd

How many can fit in a club? 500 max? Tickets would cost a fortune and u'd never get the chance to see them - i'd rather they half fill an arena, atleast i have a chance of getting to see them.

Plus i don't care what the rest of ya say - u know deep down GNR in a club show would be humiliating for the band. If a club is all they can fill then the band is in a bad way. If GNR return and hit it big clubs are ridicuously too small - and if they return and fail then who really cares where they play?

I dunno about bucket. I think he's gone but because of issues with his work on CD and the time remaining on his contract, the contract hasn't been terminated.  Don't look for too much info from management; they tend to talk like a bunch of scum lawyers anyway.

Warm ups.

:)

First, Gnr averaged 8600 tickets sold for the 16 date US Tour. It was a poor selling tour for "Gnr". However, that is FAR larger than a club. Give me a break-Theatres-yes. Clubs of under 1000 people-NO FUCKING WAY. I can see theatres of 2000-4000, but not a small club-big difference. :rant:

The club/theatre I heard mentioned has a capacity of over 1000.



/jarmo

Weirdly enough, this rumour kinda vanished...is it still in the plans or has something changed in the past few weeks??

The impression I got, Will, was that it is so very early in the process that it's not worth commenting on by those that might "know".  I think, IF it doesn't "tumble like a house of cards", that as we get closer to the tour announcement (I'm guessing that would be mid to late September-ish), we might hear more concrete "stuff"...but, for now, the only word that's out there is exactly what was said very early in this post:  GnR is looking at some countries, some venues, some times for a possible Euro tour in  December/Jan.

I thought about that too. Then I thought about 2002 (for the Euro/ Asia tour), when we heard confirmation or at least concrete stuff months before the dates. I wonder if promoters are more cautious now?
But then again, CC officially confirmed the 2002 US tour only 43 days (a month and a half) before the actual first date of the tour.

That's fair enough and I'd rather see them play to half full arena's, although the media would bash them for it. I'm just stating the pros of playing to a club, and if GnR decide to do that (which I doubt they will with Axl's ego) then we can't really stop 'em can we?!?!

I think they should do a mix of theatre and arenas, they could base the tour on arenas, and then hit a few theatres in a few places, key cities that they wont hit cause of lack of arenas there.  But they would have to be large theaters 1000+ people capacity.  They should do a few club warm up shows or even do theater shows as warm ups. But if the arenas are half filled through out the tour it would be embaressing, it would help though if they had some new material out to bring out people, all though I do think maybe in europe the shows would be  fuller than here in the states during the NA tour. 

peace  :peace:

Please tell me Vegas is possibly in the works, Jarmo?  Are they thinking of the Hard Rock again?  That's all I want to know just give me a smiley face with peace signs or something that leans towards the answer yes!

Got this over at the rumourboard, here is what the admin said:

"I have had excellent confirmation that Guns n'roses have been in talks about coming to Germany. I am now confident that there is a European tour coming up at some point in the near future be it before or after Xmas

I do not know for sure how advanced these plans are though"



Hopefully this happens b/c they need to start doing something soon.

I do hope so!

Is this a reiable source or just some twat being a twat?

This guy does seem to have some Mysteron-like powers of acquaintance. 
/Mike

Man I'm fucking tired of all this shit being copied and pasted from rumourboard.com... we can make up our own bullshit without the help of some PURE or Danny at another board.  :no:

Amen to that - we have become pretty good at the bullshit rumours - so much so we get mentions on teletext ;) We don't need another site's help.