Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Amazon.ca is now listing Hollywood Rose - Roots of Guns N' Roses for a June 1, 2004 release. $19.99 CDN.

AA.

Cool....Good Title!

Get me that me feels...better than Greatest Fucking Hits.

Haha yeah : ok:

Depending on what they managed to dig up for this, it could be very good...


Or is it the disc that's supposed to have Gilby all over it?
He doesn't seem all that "Hollywood Rose" if you ask me...

im lookin forward to it, cz its all stuff i dont got on disk, and for the most part stuff ive never heard, so its like new GNR material for me : ok:

you can download it...

Can we? Right now? where?

if this is real and not someone doing covers\ IT WILL ROCK!!! 8)

It's on hold and YES Gilby Clarke recorded some tracks.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_releases/guns_n_roses_demo_hold.html

i cant belive Gilby has no new projects of his own.. Im not knocking him or anything i just find it strange that he has nothing to do with his time besides remix the old Hollywood Rose tunes...

I can't believe it's on hold til November, do any GN'R related products come out when they are meant to, i mean this isn't even to do w/ Axl so you can't blame him maybe the band is just cursed

This news is dated 03.15. It was a few days after the CD was announced.
The "new" news is that it's now listed on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00022LJBA/qid=1083125360/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-3181412-9121743?v=glance&s=music) and should be released June 1. When the news you posted came out, it was not listed on Amazon.

We'll see what happens.

Actually I think this time it's going to happen, here's the cover:

(http://www.navarre.com/admaterials/artwork/741157/741157138221-072-sRGB.jpg)

And the tracklisting:

Original Demo Versions:
1. Killing Time
2. Anything Goes
3. Rocker
4. Shadow Of Your Love
5. Wreckless Life

Newly Remixed By Gilby Clarke:
6. Killing Time
7. Anything Goes
8. Rocker
9. Shadow Of Your Love (Feat. Tracii Guns - over dub guitar)
10. Wreckless Life (Feat. Tracii Guns - over dub guitar)

Newly Remixed By Fred Coury:
11. Killing Time
12. Anything Goes
13. Rocker
14. Shadow Of Your Love
15. Wreckless Life

Release date: June 1 in the US. Cleopatra Records (Source: http://www.navarre.com/productdetail.asp?ptype=Music&ItemNumber=2134085 (http://www.navarre.com/productdetail.asp?ptype=Music&ItemNumber=2134085))

I'l definately get it, I don't know why so many poeple are sceptical about it.

At least accept it's better than nothing!

wow.. the cover is kinda cool..  : ok:

isnt it funny how the GNR back catalouge get over 50% bigger since 99 to june this year?  :hihi:

Thanks for posting that Will.  : ok:

Looks interesting. Especially since the Greatest Hits didn't included anything like this....  :hihi:


/jarmo

So does this have any Axl vocals on it?  
Cool cover but i wouldn't be overly interested unless it has Axl on there.

Otherwise it's just ex members with nothing better to do lol  

Yes it does have vocals (Axl singing). Izzy plays rythm guitar too (on the original tracks).

Hot damn

This will be great

Fuck VR, this is the album i'm intrested in in June

btw who made up Hollywood Rose - i have a pretty good idea but i will leave it to u guru's to enlighten me

Indeed.   I really really like the album cover.  

Looks like I'll be buying 2 albums from Gunners in June.  ;)

I don't know if you were asking for the line-up but it was (at least on those tracks):

- Chris Weber (guitar)
- Izzy Stradlin (guitar)
- Bill Bailey alias Axl Rose (vocals)
- Johnny Kreis (drums)
- Andre Toxx (bass)

Whatever happened to these guys?  Are they in another band now?

And who is the blond guy on the left in the cover?

Yeah, i was gonna ask the same. Wonder if they've done anything else...

 :beer: Looks shit hot, what a great cover...and I've heard some of those tracks already and I like em, so I'll be getting this...

It's on Amazon.co.uk as well...

- Chris Weber sued Axl Rose in February 1998. MTV did a story (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1429805/19980206/story.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1429805/19980206/story.jhtml)) on it, some quotes of the story are pretty interesting, regarding this HR release:

Last year (1997) reports surfaced that Weber was planning on releasing Hollywood Rose material and that Rose had blocked him from doing so. But Weber told press sources that he didn't want to release the old tapes, and that he had only called Guns manager Doug Goldstein to let him know he had them but was immediately warned he would not be allowed to release any of the material.

G N' R manager Doug Goldstein told the "L.A. Daily News" that he's talked with all his clients and they all deny that Weber co-wrote the songs. One of the songs, says Goldstein, was written before Rose and Weber even knew each other. Ehrlich, however, says he has video to prove it, which Goldstein told the paper he has never been seen. Ehrlich says he has now sent it to Axl Rose.

It wouldn't surprise me if Weber gave out those tracks and the pics included on the CD artwork.


- Johnny Kreis is apparently always looking for a job. He tells a little bit about him on his website:

I have played in many bands since then, spaning different rock and metal styles, The Hard Rock bands I played with are:
Bad Boys, Striker, (not to be mistaken with Stryper) in which the band Shire opened up for Stryper at the Music Machine in Santa Monica and in Costa Mesa in the early 80's and finally HarmsWay, Harmsway being my last band I was in, I could say was my best band with the original music style of Night Ranger and Van Halen,....(Speaking of Van Halen), another believe it or not fact that in the early to mid 70's, my dad Richard Kreis played Bass, in a polka band and jamming in the german bars and clubs around town, the band consisted of Ria Van Der Berg- Singer, (Accordion)
Richard Kreis - JK's Daddy) on (Bass), Jan Van Halen (VH's Dad) on (Clarinet) ( And One of my favorite Drummers........
(Who my Heavy Metal music career was inspired by)...Alex Van Halen

He says he met Izzy Stradlin (again) in may 2003 -- first time since early 80's when the band split up.

He says the first bassist of HR was Rick Marrs and the second one was Andre Troxx (or Toxx? lots of different sp.)

Johnny also says:

I still play my drums, but not with the intentions of making it big, I play drums for a Dutch-Indonesian Amercian band called SoundsUnlimited with my dad and we play more of the older style music, to the older audiences, and I love to design wierd but cool microweb sites like this one, digital design is an art, just like playing drums!

His website: http://laserfire.com/hollywoodrose/index.html (http://laserfire.com/hollywoodrose/index.html)


- Andre Toxx (Troxx?): I've got no info about what he's been up to...


The blond guy on the left on the cover has got to be Chris Weber (Andre and Johnny were not blond).

Thanks, Will!

Guess this means there won't be a reunion of theoriginal GNR---HR :D


BTW- if Kreiss was the original drummer, how could he have only met izzy in 2003?
            Or did he leave before Axl and Izzy joined?                                    

I'm sorry about the confusion, I edited my post. I meant it was the first time he saw Izzy since the band split up.

First we have these muppets in Hollywood Rose

- then 'Guns N' Roses'  - The Axl Rose, Tracii Guns expereince

- then we have AFD Guns N 'Roses

- then Illusions Guns N' Roses with Matt and Dizzy

- then we have Illusions tour Guns N' Roses - Gilby Clarke and Teddy Zig Zag and friends....

- then we have the Axl Rose show Guns N' Roses

Damn how many people have been in this band??????

Maybe they should be called the so guns n roses crew  :D , or the insane guns n' roses posse  :D

@#$%Muther

First, I will definitely purchase this. I'm more excited about this than the VR release. I've never heard Killing Time or Rocker -- that will be a thrill! Axl's early voice is the gnarliest, so anything with that is worth buying.

However, it's hilarious that they are including separate Gilby Clarke and Fred Coury remixes for all five songs (!!!). That means 15 tracks with only 5 different songs. Fred Coury to my knowedge was never in any version of the band (I think his drummer filled in for Steven a few times) and Gilby was merely a touring member of the band for two years (yes he played on TSI, but that was a covers record--big deal), so he was hardly a vital member of any version of the band (I think Paul Huge probably even trumps Gilby, considering he wrote the guitar for OMG).

But that is classic Cleopatra (the label releasing it) behavior. They always do weird shit like that (like the industrial remixes on their GNR tribute album).

In summary: I will buy this right away.  

or axl playing musical chairs

1.Axl Rose
2.Tracii Guns
3.Izzy Stradlin
4.Slash
5.Duff
6.Steven
7.Matt
8.Dizzy
9.Gilby
10.Teddy Zig Zag
11.Paul Tobias
12.Buckethead
13.Robin Finck
14.Chris Pittman
15.Richard Fortus
16.Brain
17.Tommy Stinson
18. Josh Freese

Okay who have i missed out - i can't remember the lot in the Rose/Guns line up before Slash and Steven joined

This band has had damn near 20 members, is there any other example in history of a band like this - probably Iron Maiden :hihi:


Edit: updated list

josh freese?

@#$%Muther

Drummer who i believe came in after Matt Sorum, was in 'A Perfect Circle' i believe was replaced by 'Brain'

Wasn't Zakk Wylde in for like 2 seconds but he and Slash were suppsedly like a Giant Snake and a T-Rex or something, i guess Dave Navarro and Gary Sunshine on 'Oh My God' don't count do they although they got more to show than some 'Members' who have failed to feature on anyone released tracks, and if you're gonna include Teddy Zig Zag how about Tracey and Roberta, they even get mentioned during 'Knockin' On Heaven's Door' on 'Live Era '87-'93' :hihi:

brilliant news!cant wait to hear the old tunes spruced up

What about the old drummer Rob Gardener? I remember seeing this lineup for Hollywood Rose:

Axl Rose
Izzy Stradlin
Tracii Guns
Rob Gardener
Duff McKagan

I think thats an early Guns N Roses line up, don't think Tracii was ever a part of Hollywood Rose, when he appeared on the secene things became Guns N Roses

To think Tracii Guns contributes his name to GNR and yet will never be known by even the majority of GNR fans.....

i think this is much more interesting than velvet revolver, and i'll consider buying it. :)

Thats axl in the middle right? Is that tracii or Izzy on the right?

That's Izzy on the right, not Tracii.

I never heard Killing Time boefore. Also is Anything Goes going to be the version that is around 8 or 9 mins? This is great they are going to relsease this in June now. I never thought they would move the date sooner.  :)

You know, considering that the state of Chinese Democracy and the "new" Guns N' Roses is more uncertain than ever, it seems to me that GN'R fans have a surprising amount to cheer for this year.  We've already seen the release of Greatest Hits, which, if nothing else, has proven that GN'R is still beloved by millions of record-buyers and would perform well in the modern music market.  I mean, that compilation has already done way better than Nirvana's best-of album, and THAT had an original unreleased track on it!  Hmm...

And this summer, not only will we see the release of the Velvet Revolver album (which, when you think about it, is more "Guns N' Roses" than Guns N' Roses in terms of actual original members), which promises to be a very kick-ass record...but now we'll also get a chance to listen to original recordings from the proto-GN'R, Hollywood Rose!  A bunch of new songs by a young, angry Axl Rose and Izzy Stradlin'?  I'm there!

I can't wait for the Hollywood Rose album to come out.  It'll be so great to hear Axl's voice on recordings I haven't heard - not only young and screeching at the height of his vocal powers, but retaining the hard, bluesy, punk sound that would later define classic GN'R.  Sure, Slash isn't on there, so it's not going to sound that much like the real Guns N' Roses.  But it's great to hear an angry young Axl Rose on unheard material.  The cover looks really cool.  I always thought that "Anything Goes" was a very underrated track, as well, so it'll be interesting to hear this new version.

Is this being released in the UK?

As an Import yes, check out Amazon.co.uk (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00022LJBA/ref=sr_aps_music_1_2/202-5169874-3060631)

Cheerz Will : ok: I shall be picking up a copy then  ;D

How good will quality be of this cd....?

I mean, i have some downloads from the internet and the tracks sounds really bad... :P

So will it be a worth buying...

Will it be released in europe 1st june, like in american????

Gilby Clarke? WTF?!?

Talk about a guy being in the right place at the right time and then milking it for all it's worth. You'd think he was actually in GnR or something.

He toured the world with them and appears on three albums  - he's as close to a fuckin' member as you can get.

Remember not even Slash is an original member of GNR.

If Gilby wants to continue his assoc with GNR then more power to him.

I thought Gilby just played on Spaghetti... (If you don't consider Live Era and GH)

He did but surprisingly enough Live Era and The Greatest Hits are albums the latter one that's sold a hell of a lot

On GN'R Lies it's Reckless Life! However I assume it's the same song?

Yes it's the same song! ;)
Just like My Way, Your Way became Anything Goes on Appetite (I'm surprised they didn't use the original title for this one).

Cleopatra Records:


www.cleorecs.com/

Buy this and VR album within two weeks, shit their is some pretty good stuff coming out this year. :beer: :beer:

I cant find any GNR thing on that side..... :P

Except for the Matrix intro with the chinese characters ; if you ask me this probably means they're also going to release Chinese Democracy. I mean, Cleopatra Records must have a pretty close connexion to Axl for him to allow them to release this Hollywood Rose thing.   ;)

 I'd bet Axl doesn't want this out just as much as the GH. His whole goal (if he really has one) is to distance himself from the past at all costs. But he probably doesn't own the rights to these tracks, much like Geffen with all the GH masters. It is funny though, with all this stuff coming out between  GH,VR, HR, and the unauthorized  biography, GNR has cetainly gotten alot of exposure, maybe they really are "the band that won't die."

I'm really pumped for this cd. Could be the last original never before heard songs that we hear of axl. Just assuming that he will never release another cd, but I could be wrong.

What is this CD exactly? Will it have Slash and Axl and the boys on the original tracks?

Someone help me.

Hollywood Rose demos.


No Slash.



/jarmo

Again.... Will it be released in europe??? :-\

RollingStone (mag)>>Issue 952/953>>July 8-22, 2004

(REVIEW / REISSUES & ANTHOLOGIES)
First Bloom
Five rough early demos by Axl Rose?s pre-G n? R band - hidden in this cash-in release - show his appetite for stardom.  By Greg Kot
Photo credit: Neil Zlozower
(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/RS952.jpg)
Whatta pistol: Rose in 1987, in full biker leather and hair spray

Photo credit: Dean Clark
(http://gypsysoul.lunarpages.com/RS953.jpg)
Growing thorns: Axl (center) with Hollywood Rose

HOLLYWOOD ROSE / The Roots of Guns n? Roses / Deadline Music * * (two stars rating)

On the first song of this 1984 demo tape, the erstwhile William Bailey of Lafayette, Indiana - soon to be world famous for raising his goblet of rock as W. Axl Rose - not only demonstrates he?s a first-rate screamer but also a prophet: ?I?m doing nothing on borrowed time .../I make my living killing time.?

Rose has become better known in the last decade for what he hasn?t done: most notably, completing the still-unreleased album Chinese Democracy. But the five songs documented on The Roots of Guns n? Roses remind us why Axl once mattered: an ill wind from the Midwest, ripping up the Sunset Strip.  Straddling the fence between punk and glam, in scarves and leather, Rose and his fellow Indiana expatriate Izzy Stradlin put together the band that would eventually morph into the more spectacular, and star-crossed, Guns n? Roses.

The original demos on this album are thrillingly underproduced, from an outfit that?s more about outlaw kicks than the MTV-courting spectacle of G n? R.  With their hyperventilating tempos and staccato guitars, ?Killing Time? and ?Shadow of Your Love? have more in common with L.A. punks the Germs than with Iron Maiden.  ?Anything Goes? runs on spite even as Rose fights for his right to be as kinky as he wants to be.  ?Rocker? ends with Rose out-cackling the Wicked Witch of the West - or was that Bon Scott? - as she melts down in The Wizard of Oz. The self-evident ?Reckless Life? revs up like a Harley, then plunges into traffic with blinders on.  ?Don?t need your advice,? Rose screams as if he?s kissing off Lafayette for the final time.

The only problem with these demos - Hollywood?s answer to the Sex Pistols? infamous Spunk bootleg - is that they weren?t left alone.  Instead, gratuitous remixes and overdubs turn a potentially classic nineteen-minute EP into a bloated fifty-nine-minute cash-in.  Sunset Strip semicelebrity Tracii Guns lays on some extra guitar, and ex-Cinderella drummer Fred Coury beefs up - what else? - the kick drum on a handful of tracks.  All they do is magnify just how brilliant the raw and still-squirming originals remain.
end

Kind of how I felt the remixes might be on this one.  There really wasn't any more point to them.  Nice to hear the original demos are smoking though!!! Thanks for posting

score this sounds awesome!

whats the release date on this thing anyways? i thought it was supposed to come out next week but i guesse not anymore.

Its going to be so incredible to go out and buy a CD with Axl sining on it with TWO songs ive never heard before... bitchin

I thought it came out on June 22.  ???

I'd think the RS guy got an advance promo copy to review....The demos should sound great, but I agree that the multiple remixes are a bit unecessary..wouldve been better to just release an EP, still you know I'll be buying this next week! : ok:

Does Rolling Stone get more idiotic by the hour?

How can u complain about a bonus track?? Its a bonus - u've already got the untouched originals to play with, they would have prefered to get less ???

They praise the original songs - then give it 2 stars?

Weird

Yeah 2 stars that sounds fair...lol

I hate to complain but is there a way we could get the second pic without a huge copyright in the middle of it? :-\
Who is Dean Clark anyway? I pre-ordered that baby a few months ago... :hihi:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?searchtype=cdartisttitle&searchstring=hollywood+rose&page=search&Go.x=26&Go.y=13

Yey! No importing for me! :D

They gave 4 stars to Contracrap, so maybe stars are a rating of lameness now?  ???

Yeah thats exactly it : ok:

I think this guy would of rated it higher if it only had 5 tracks

Cool, I'm interested now in picking this up.

anybody know or have any idea how big of a distribution this thing is gonna be? I wouldn't think it would be a major release, so it might be missing in alot of record stores, and i live in a very rural area, I guess i may have to order it online.

Amazon.com is your best bet my friend! ;) I live in a rural area as well and I always order everything online (even my washing machine, my widescreen TV, etc.)... :hihi:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?searchtype=cdartisttitle&searchstring=hollywood+rose&page=search&Go.x=26&Go.y=13

Play's got it too - and unlike amazon their stuff actually arrives :D

I ordered mine a week ago, I like the sound of this CD a lot.  As has been said, RS must be in a world of their own.  They have a go at a cd due to it having bonus tracks??  Don't tell me, they liked the Live like a Suicide part of Lies but thought Patience should be dropped???

and if so, do you guys think it will be available at target and places like that? target sucks but is the only place still open when i get out of work.

Yes, it should be out 22nd june.... :peace:

I dont know what target is??? ???

I ordered mine from Amazon.ca. It will be delivered to me tomorrow.

AA

Our Music Center, in the Hylan Plaza here in Staten Island, NY got it in today. I don't know how many copies they have left, but I picked one up. If you live in these parts head over there.

It's pretty cool to hear, very raw sounding, but cool none-the-less. I'm listening to it as we speak, and I recommend picking it up.

There is nothing to really say about it, other than what is above. It was worth the 15 bucks.

Now if only we can get the new stuff....

I pre-ordered mine a long time ago. I should get it soon. I don't think it will be available at Target but you can give it a shot. I always order everything online though.

anybody else got this yet? i can't believe more attention is not being given to this, at least on our board community. i've been interested in hearing old hollywood rose stuff since i first became a gnr fan. while not chinese democracy, i would say it is the next best thing.

I do understand you.... :-\

I think that many people on this board are waiting for there H.R-cd to arrive(i do) Because in a lot of countries you have to pre-order it from Amazon.com or another webside... :-[

Could be wrong....

well the isn't really anything to say untill we all get hold of it - still a week to go till a UK release

Plus we have all heard the songs on it.....

But i am really looking forward to it - its a new album with Axl Rose :peace:

I'm still waiting for mine...I already heard the songs on the Hairspray Heroes bootleg CD a few months ago though. They are great. : ok:

Hey, so is anyone gonna buy this thing or what?  I've been looking forward to it quite a bit but surprisingly noones even been talking about this.  So is anyone buying this today?  Or has anyone, if you have what are your thoughts on it?  I'm looking forward to buying it a lot.  Probly going to today.

im not spending my hard earned money on an album of 3 different versions of 5 songs!!! one of which is on afd and another is on gnr lies!!! ill copy it if someone lends it me though...

I'll buy not straight away because I am low on cash lol. But I will get it in time lol in sale maybe

If it goes on gerenal release at a budget price in the UK, then I'll buy it. I'm interested to hear what is on it, but not so interested to go to great lengths for the privelege.

I get paid on friday and i'll order it on friday

pardon my ignorance... could someone please tell me what "lol" means or stands for? ive wandered that since my first day on this message board.

LOL= Laugh Out Loud

I got Hollywood Rose today. I only listened to the original versions so far. I loved it. Real raw and unpolished, yet sounds remarkably clear for a demo.

The Best Buy that I went to only had 3 copies, according to the guy I talked to, and they weren't even on display.He had to go into the storage area to get me one.

thanks vigo youve put my troubled mind at rest. : ok:

yeah same here

I was undecided on buying the CD, but driving by Best Buy on the way home from work, I had a moment of weakness and stopped to buy it.

The songs are actually cool and fun to listen to.  Even though I've heard three of the songs before, they sound quite different from the GNR versions.  Axl has become a much better singer since then, but it's still fun to hear the raw, young stuff.   He's screaming as much as singing a lot of the time. There are lots of old pictures, and some old flyers included in the packaging that are great.

No comment on the remixes because I haven't listened to them yet...

I bought the cd yesterday. Here are some of my thoughts on it:

1. the original demo sounds awesome. very rough, but very well recorded, all instruments and vocals are seperated well and mixed well.


2. the band has more of a punk rock approach to things than gnr did/does.


3. axl has a lot more of a 'heavy metal' voice on this stuff. he even does some operatic (a la bruce dickenson) vocals here. sometimes it sounds kinda cheesy. especially on the chorus of 'rocker'. his vocals, at times, even creep into jack black's parody of a heavy metal voice.


4. the gilby mixes are cool and i like the stuff that traci adds to it.


5. the fred coury mixes are kinda bass heavy and most sound good. he adds some driving fast drum beats to some of the stuff.


6. in the liner notes, it has a copy of an old setlist with some song titles i've never heard of before. i would love to get a live bootleg of a hollywood rose set.


7. overall a good product. the music is very cool. axl's vocals are raw and very interesting to hear. at times he does screams that i have never heard him do since. they sound very 'from the heart' and angry. sounds very cool.

I dont know if this is the right catergory to put it in or not, So If I am wrong move it.

I just picked up the cd at best buy and to be honest I really wasnt expecting too much from this since it was a demo from 20 years ago but I got to say I was shocked. The pure power and rage in Axl's voice is incredible. SO much emotion in him. Their version of ANYTHING GOES was a plesant Surprise. I was shocked when I read these were recorded on a 16 track back in 1984. Even though there is only 5 different songs I got to say they are incredible and show the power that would become GnR. Great album for anyone who likes Axl's voice. A MUST if you love his voice.

Got this review off a website selling the album.

Heres mine (from my Newsletter)


HOLLYWOOD ROSE / THE ROOTS OF GUNS N ROSES

REVIEW

Released 6/22/2004 on Cleopatra Records / Deadline Music

First off, as usual, a take at the outer form (so to say) of the record. It comes in a cradboard sleeve just like Velvet Revolvers Contraband, but with much better layout. The cover shows a pic of Axl Rose, Izzy Stradlin and Chris Weber. The back cover has a pic of Hollywood Rose on stage and some notes about this band, which later became Guns N Roses. The booklet contains the story of the band written by Vicky Hamilton, their first manager. That four page story, surrounded by pics of the band that have not been seen before, is well written and funny at times and explains how Izzy and Axl came to Hollywood from Indiana, hooked up with Johnny Kreis and Chris Weber and Tracii Guns, founded a band named A.X.L., which would turn into Rose and the Hollywood Rose, how Tracii departed to go on with his band, the L.A. Guns and how they met Slash and Duff and finally became Guns N Roses. Some old flyers, created by Axl and Izzy themselves, are pictured, as well as a handwritten setlist of one of their first shows. That setlist reveals a lot. First off we realise that the song Back Off Bitch (which was later released on Use Your Illusion I) already existed, adding some songs that are as of yet unheard: Kill, Hollywood Girls, International, That Something, Cold Hard Cash and Rock N Rose. Maybe thse six songs will get available sometime in the future, even though I doubt it.
Now for the music. The record mainly contains five songs, which were recorded in January 1984 in Hollywood, CA, an a 16 track by Axl Rose, Chris Weber, Izzy Stradlin and Johnny Kreis. Anything Goes (which was then titeled My Way Your Way) appeared on Appetite For Destruction in 1987. Reckless Life was released as a live track on the 1986 EP Live Like A Suicide and later on GNR Lies (1988). Shadow Of Your Love appeared as a b-side on the single of Live And Let Die in 1991. Killing Time and Rocker were never before released. And as soon as you push play, you get an intense kick in the ass. Even though it sounds raw and unpolished, the songs are very well recorded and produced. Wild stakkato guitars and a W. Axl Rose who is as wild and aggressive as a singer can be. This music makes you feel an enormeous energy and the will of these guys to be nothing more than the best band on the whole Sunset Strip. We know who you are / We know who we are / We know our game, screams Rose and you can feel his seriousness. Just as the Rolling Stone magazine wrote, this EP has the potential to become a cult object. At least if it were just these five songs. But these five songs are there three times. Original Demo Version, Newly Remixed By Gilby Clarke and Newly Remixed By Fred Coury. Gilby Clarke, who played in Candy when Hollywood Rose formed, who later led one of the best sleaze bands ever (Kill For Thrills) and who joined Guns N Roses on rhythm guitar when Izzy Stradlin left during the Use Your Illusion World Tour, took Tracii Guns back into the studio to do some guitar overdubs. All in all his versions of the songs sound more polished and less raw. Same with Cinderella drummer Fred Courys versions. But all in all these remixes are nice but completely needless. In my opinion these songs only show their whole pwer and potential in the original demo version. Less would have been more in this case, but, well, who cares. It sounds good, it feels good, it is a pure kick in the face. Even though the songs are twenty years old now they still rock, and for all those GNR fans out there waiting desperately for new material (aka Chinese Democracy), this is a good buy. Just enjoy the two new (old) songs and the early versions of the other three. I personally got more than I expected. The text on the backcover of the cardboardsleeve says that these tracks were rumoured to be the holy grail of glam rock. Well, since there is nothing better in this form at the moment: That is absolutely true.



/lastroots

Excellent! :) Good review! : ok:

Edit: I just got it this morning! I will listen to it later today... :peace: :beer:

I cant wait...... :drool:

Nice review... Thanks. : ok:

"I make my livin' killin' tiiiiiiiime!!" :smoking:

Wow, the sound is fuckin' awesome. I had the bootleg Hairspray Heroes for a few months (the MP3s that have surfaced online come from the same bootleg), but I think this CD is just worth it for the sound. Clearly the CD has been pressed from the masters (Weber probably still has the master tapes.
Axl's voice is amazing (you can clearly recognize it, I'm still amazed by the sound quality), the guitars are actually pretty cool and even though the production is kinda rough, it still sounds amazing. Very, very old school (hell, they say on the cover the songs were recorded in January of 1984) but extremely interesting for ANY GN'R fan. I mean, just listen to Anything Goes: almost two minutes longer than on Appetite (guitar solos added). Chris Weber was actually pretty good on guitar!!
Killing Time and Rocker (the only two "unreleased" tracks on the CD) are very cool, Axl's voice sounds very raw, really angry, unpolished, no effects at all, high pitched..."Rockeeeeeeeeeeeeer...Rolleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!" I know it's the third time I say it but the sound is amazing. It's like on a "normal" CD. I know it sounds dumb but when you've listened to the bootleg versions for a while it REALLY makes a difference.

That's too bad they didn't include "That Something" and the unkown title song (both available on the bootleg Hairspray Heroes). Too bad considering they including ten remixes instead. Those are clearly not necessary and are basically just fillers. Shadow and Reckless remixed are kinda cool with Tracii's overdubs but that's pretty much it. Hollywood Rose really rocks!! I think everyone already knows "Shadow Of Your Love" (it's available on the "Live And Let Die" CD single). In case you don't it's the very fast paced, cool song. Pretty short (3 minutes) but definitely worth listening.
I like the different intro they do for Reckless Life. It gives it a different feel. The songs sounds overall almost more aggressive, like the band is going after you or something! Pretty cool... :yes:

I forgot to mention the packaging, really cool too. Lots of small pictures inside the booklet from that era. Check out those two scans from the booklet:

(http://www.gnrfrance.net/GNR/Groupe/Albums/roots-front01.jpg)

(http://www.gnrfrance.net/GNR/Groupe/Albums/roots-front02.jpg)

The story written by Vicky Hamilton is pretty interesting, even though it's just one side of the story. It seems like the CD has been created with Chris Weber's help...Overall it's an extremely interesting CD for every GN'R fan. That's a part of the puzzle.

Overall rating: 8/10 (4 starts out of 5 if we want to keep RS, Blender, etc's tradition).

Go buy it, it's a fuckin' kick ass CD!!

This is probably the best tide over to CD that could be delivered. Let's go the scale:

Original Demos: 5/5 N's: Axl's voice is amazing! To echo what the RS review said, just from listening to his raw scream, you knew this guy was gonna be a star! This version of 'Antyhing Goes' is Killer! Much better than Appetite's, IMo. 'Killing Time is strong too.

Gilby Remix:  2/5 N's: Not impressed.

Coury Remix: 3.5/5 N's: For some reason, I feel these mixes really compliment Axl's voice. They certainly have a more finished feel than the Gilby ones.

Cover/Liner Art: 4/5 N's: The narrative given is fascinating, and the pics of the flyers and setlists are really cool to see...a prelude to what was to come.

Overall: 4/5: The Gilby demos nonwithstanding, this is a pretty cool CD: Axl vocally at his most raw and untamed. This showcases the potential that Axl had, and one wonders if HR would still have made it without the subsequent events. (I think so  ;) )

Completely right, guys. Since I got this CD yesterday I'M listening to it permanently. Rocker is my fav. It just kicks ass like nothing else. By the way, Nick, I think Gilbys versions of Shadow and Reckless with Traciis overdubs are pretty good.

Hell,this cd is a must have for everyone. I got so much more than I expected. Can't understand why there's so few talkin' about it.

/lastroots

Ahhhh! I'm really looking forward to this now! Hopefully I can find it in a music store when we get it next Monday.

They aren't terrible, I just like the Coury mixes better, maybe after a few more listens they'll grow more on me.
BTW, does anyone else think these original lyrics to "Anything Goes" are better than the ones on AFD?

Anyone know if their are any other Hollywood Rose demos out their? Im sure ive heard one called Cold Hearted Man that isnt on this CD.

Cold Hearted Man? Never heard of that one. Check out my post above:


Besides those two, there are obviously the tracks that appear on the setlist in the booklet, but they may have not been recorded (just played live), there's no way to know. There is also "Your Looks Are Gone", a track that appeared online a couple of years ago, but no one knows if it's legit or not (the sound and MP3 compression are very bad on that track, kinda hard to distinguish a voice).

Cold Hearted Man is definatly Hollywood Rose a song - you can clearly hear Axls voice on it. Someone posted it over in AFC a while back.

Cold hearted Man must be the real name of the "Untitled song" on Hairspray heroes bootleg -Track 8....just listen to the lyrics.


Also, I think Rocker is a cover of ACDC's song. Does anyone know if Killing time is also a cover song?? I know Metallica did one on the Garage albums, but I havent heard it.

None of the songs are covers. If they were then the original writer's name would be credited and the album clearly credits Axl,Izzy,and Co. on all the songs. Also the name of the song is "Cold Hard Cash" not Cold Hearted Man.

I will listen to untitled track again but you might be right.



About Rocker, no this is not an AC/DC cover, the lyrics are not the same: http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Ac-Dc/ROCKER.html (http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Ac-Dc/ROCKER.html). Killing Time is not a Metallica cover either: http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Metallica/Killing-Time.html (http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Metallica/Killing-Time.html). God Bless Google! ;D

Fair enough, but Rocker is very similar to ACDC's version of the same song.

Also about the credits, the covers on LIES album were not credited to Aerosmith (Mama Kin) or Rose Tatoo(Nice boys).

I agree with everyone on this boars.  If you a big GNR fan this is a must have.  No way around it.  This CD made me realize that any song is great if Axl sings it.  It is just unbelievable.  I think VR is pretty good but something is missing when I listen to it.  I was thinking I really don't like Scott Weiland that much on this particular record.  Then I was thinking what other singer might I like sing to this music.  I realized there is only one.  

Please God . . . .   Free AXL!!!!!

When was this CD released i went to look for it the other day and i couldnt find it?

Yeah I just bought it too.  I believe its a must have if you are a Zxl fan.  It just pure rock and raw.  

I give the album a 3.33 out of 5. (5 out of 5 for the first 5)  I love the first 5 songs. They are incredible and a testiment to the strength of his voice. The 10 remixes are not even needed. I think they should of put out the 5 alone on a cd for $10. But when you got to pay $15 for 5 songs that sucks. I suggest if you have a friend to just borrow it and copy it accidently. I believe they are ripping of Uncle Axl and making us pay too much. They could of given us 7 different songs and that would of been cool.

Could someone post a list of the other possible Hollywood Rose songs that exist live or recorded or send me the list?

If you are an old school GnR fan this is great.  I'll just give a short review.. I don't really think there was a need for all the remixes but out of the three I guess I like the Gilby ones and I also like Traci's over dubbed guitars. That being said just having the original Demos would be just as cool.

Killing Time- Pretty cool song. Sounds alot like Judas priest to me. Axl sounds just like Halford back in the day in that one. And the riff resembled that kind of metal too.

Anything Goes- It was really cool to hear the roots of this classic song. I used to have an old tape of GnR demos like 15 years ago that had a version of Anything Goes with different lyrics. I don't think it's the same one though. It's been so long I don't know. Anyway, I think this might be my favorite. It' slike a total different song than the Appetite one. It's raw rockin and kicks ass. I also love the Appetite one and think it's one of the most underated songs on teh album.

Rocker- These lyrics are pretty damn cheesy. But it was 1983-84 or whenever it was and that was going on. It is still really cool to have this fine artifact of GnR history

Shadow Of Your Love- I have aquired a few different versions of this one over the years but I think they were recorded by the Gn'R guys. Nothing that different than what I have heard just a bit more raw I guess. I had no idea that GnR actually released this song on the B-side of Live and Let Die. Anyone know if they recorded a new studio version for that or did they use an old demo???

Wreckless Life- Always loved this song. I have a few versions of thi ssong already. Nothing new here. I do like the heaviness traci adds to the version he over dubbed.

Must have for any Old School GnR freak.

Yes, Rolling Stone is indeed bollocks!

I just bought this at Circuit City for $14.97 and it was worth every damn penny.

It is awesome.  Awesome songs, awesome quality.  Hard to believe it was recorded 20 years ago.

Even the packaging is cool.  And that letter by Vicky Hamilton and how Axl tells her "we are going to be the biggest band in the world" :beer:

Awesome pics too.

The 5 demos are the best.  No remixing or remastering needed.

It rocks.  Go buy it.  You won't be disappointed. :peace:


Edit to ask if anyone noticed the bottom where it says "all songs by AXL Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Traci Gunns."

Why'd they capitalize AXL like that?

Is that a pun towards him now? [headscratch]

I didnt see Tracii Gun's name on there. Am I missing it or is it listed under his real name?

Oops.  It doesn't say Traci at all.  

But it does say AXL capitalized for some reason.

On another note, is this gem going to be considered a rare item because it's actually not legal as it never had Axl's consent so he'll sue? :-\

Sounds like a great CD!

Hope I can get it here in Sydney!

Okay, I figured out why they have it as all songs by AXL Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Chris Weber.

If you read the Vicky Hamilton Story inside, the band was called A.X.L.

This CD is awesome.  Go buy it if you don't have it.  A must for all Guns fans.  Everytime I read the insert and the story by Vicky and see the pictures, it's like I am back in 1980s again  ;)

According to play.com, the UK should get it on July 5th now:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?searchtype=cdartist&searchstring=Hollywood+Rose&page=search

"The Roots of Guns N' Roses", a collection of the very first demos recorded by Axl Rose and Izzy Stradlin before they became GUNS N' ROSES, premiered with a paltry 1,891 copies.


Source(s): http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/


How many % of the sales came from people on this board? ;)



/jarmo

I also just wanted to post that Jarmo.

I was kinda shocked. What the fuck is going on???
QA lame assed Greatest Hits compilation sells the fuck outta everything. VRs album, an album by a sidekick band so to say, which isn't overwhelming (at leat if you have an objective look /listen) sells nearly as much.
And this one only sells 1900?? What the hell?

Everybody is complaining all the time that CD doesn't come. And now that there is an amazing album to shorten the time until cd, an album that includes two unreleased songs and which REALLY kicks ass in its entirety (in opposite to the other stuff that was released this year) - nobody is buying it.

I just can't understand that.


/lastroots


Before you answer the obvious: Yeah, it's a small label and there has been nearly no advertising. But yet 1900 is far from being enough....

Also remember that these tracks are available via other avenues ( music downloading, compilations). Further, people may have a hard time justifying buying something that is the same 5 tracks remixed.

The versions on here have a far better quality than those on the net.

And: The songs on GH were not only available via other sources. Everyone on here for sure had multiple versions of all these songs, even though nearly everyone bought that shit. So why not buy something that is really worth it?


/lastroots

I can't answer that. I bought HR and absolutley love it. I do think that most of the people who bought GH are casual music fans and not hardcore GNR fans, who may not be interested in any pre-GNR era stuff.

I think GH sold so well because a new group of teenagers heard maybe SCOM or WTTJ or PC or NR on the radio or at a dance for the last few years and when they get a chance to have a so called GH they go out and get it. US THE HARDCORE have all the songs but we buy it for the pictures, the inserts and because its something new. I think the no pub. and the high price scared away the casual listener. Maybe if the company putting out HR could of gotten a law suit with AXL in the news it would of helped, but to spend $15 on 5 songs is alot. I bought the cd, but I wouldnt recommend it to my friends. I told them Id give them a free copy. $3 a song is alot (I'm not counting the remixes they really are pointless)

Axl and Izzy look adorable in that old picture.  I hadn't seen that one before.  I will probably buy this CD.  How good is Vicky Hamilton's story, does she give other interesting tidbits?  

Hey guys!!! I have the new Hollywood Rose album. I've listened to it a bunch since I got in almost a week ago.

The first 5 tracks are the original 5 tracks by Hollywood Rose and GUns N" Roses

3 of the tracks are Guns N' Roses tracks from the early days and 2 of them are with Izzy, Axl, Weber, ect.

The oringal tracks are really the original with the "take 1 My Way Your Way"  before Anything Goes. THe vocals seem to be in the background too much, but these are raw, cheap recordings. I like them, so rock on.

Gilby remixed the next 5 and Tracii Guns is on the last 2 tracks on this set of 5.

Then Fred Coury just remixed the songs around to what he figured sounded cool.

It is just 5 songs copied 2 more times to make 15 tracks. I don't recommend the album to anyone that isn't die hard.

It isn't a great album obviously. It is okay. I like the Gilby remixes with Tracii's overdubs over Slash's guitar, very nice.

HR- 3/5

Oh dear - i'd take your version back if it has Slash on it - u see he was never in Hollywood Rose :hihi:

Well 3 of the songs read HUdson/Rose/Stradlin/ ect

So that means they either wrote the music or lyrics and I know that 4 people didn't write Shadow of Your Love....

Sucks to be a fool doesn't it? Yeah I thought so.

Saul Hudson is featured on 3 of the 5 original tracks... sorry. That is what is says.

no no no no no....  :no: :no:

"All songs performed by AXL Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Chris Weber, and Johnny Kreis. Recorded Janyary of 1984 in Hollywood, California."

the only reason slash's name is on the others is because he is credited with them for copyright reasons, as they were officially released first on GNR's albums/singles. He didn't play on these versions. i dont think he even knew axl in 1984.

thanks man... my bad...

I like the originals, the remixs are mainly bad except for 1 where they turned up the vocal mix, but i could do without the other 9 remixes

I just got this album.

I like the originals, they rock...didn't care much for the Gilby Clarke mixes...but I liked the Cinderella mixes with the double bass drumming! I would have liked to see a couple more of the originals...maybe the faster version of Back off Bitch which I think would have fitted nicely (I didn't like that they slowed down this song for the UYI)

I hope Axl does plenty of fast songs for the new record...

It's a great album - does thingy from Cinderalla redo the drums entirely cos it certainly seems like he has

Gilby + Tracii's Shadow of Your love was worth the price and the 6 week delay alone!

It is $13-$14 for 5 songs. They are ok. Interesting how they changed. But the remixes are a waste of time. Nothing interesting there and certainly not needed. Just an excuse to jack up the price so they can charge for a "full" CD.

Judge Rejects Axl's Case to Stop Album
jul 9, 2:52 EST

A federal judge has rejected a request by singer Axl Rose to stop an independent record label from releasing an album called "Hollywood Rose: The Roots of Guns N' Roses."

Cleopatra Records had purchased the rights to some recordings of Hollywood Rose, which included Axl Rose and Jeffrey "Izzy Stradlin'" Isbell, who later formed Guns N' Roses.

Rose, also identified in court documents as William Bruce Bailey, and other GNR members Saul "Slash" Hudson and Michael "Duff" McKagan objected to the release of the album when they learned of its title.

There was no telephone listing for Rose, and he couldn't be reached for comment Wednesday.

Cleopatra Records brought the case to court to determine its rights, and Rose and the others filed a counterclaim and also sought a preliminary injunction.

U.S.

District Court Judge Gary Allen Feess denied the request for an injunction by citing the "nominative fair use" doctrine. Federal law allows a person to use another's trademark "to identify the trademark owner's product or service, for the purpose of making a comparison, stating a criticism or establishing a point of reference," the judge wrote in his ruling.

Hollywood Rose lasted for about nine months in the mid-1980s and recorded a demo tape. Former band member Chris Weber, whose parents paid for the demo, sold his rights to the recordings in November 2003 to Cleopatra Records.

With Rose as frontman, Guns N' Roses reached superstar status in the late 1980s after the release of "Appetite for Destruction," which includes hits such as "Paradise City," "Sweet Child O' Mine" and "Welcome to the Jungle."



http://entertainment.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=163635


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Anyone knew this??

Just picked up *that* album. I've heard better versions of Shadow Of Your Love (than can be heard on the roots of guns n' roses) although the track Killing Time has really grown on me. It sort of reminds of Iron Maiden (the singing style) not that i've ever brought an Iron Maiden album. As for Anything Goes, well the version on AFD is superior  : ok:

I got it imported from the US, still only cost ?14.

It is VERY good. I'm killing tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime!!

What you all thinking about the cd?
i really like it
 :love:

There's a recent Chris Weber interview at www.metalshrine.se (http://w1.431.telia.com/~u43120602/mfintervju146.html)

Thanks Niclas.




/jarmo

Thanks, anyone seen the japanese version, with bonus dvd?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=15814.0

Very great interview with a lot of info!  :yes:

Great interview, thanks for the link. It's the same kind of things you learn on the DVD, but with Tracii's side of the story. Very interesting for any GN'R addict.

hmmm he doesnt like the new songs...

how can anyone not like madagascar and the blues ??

Chris seems to be the classic/ hard rock kinda guy and you know, I'm guessing Slash, Duff and co. aren't big fans of the new songs either.

I bought this yesterday for $9. wow... just awesome. It's a lot better than i thought it would be. I love all the songs, especially Rocker.