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thanks goes to the rumor board
the adm emailed Buckmaster who worked on the song and asked him about it.

Here is what he said

"Prostitute is a mid-up, kind of biting, aggressive rhythm section; vocals were only guides, not finished at the time I was working on it, so can?t really say what kind of character they are; the way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gives the song another dimension of, as I said, ice and fire, kind of powerful."

sounds promising...thanks for the info

Yeah sounds cool :yes:

I do think "chinese democracy" is going to be a fantastic album, maybe a masterpiece (i hope). I want it to be huge, I want this album to become one of the biggest selling album of all time. So much work, so many and talentuous people are involved in that project, and so much money too: I THINK WE WILL HEAR GREAT MUSIC

Maybe something like Zeppelin's Kashimir?

How come this guy is allowed to speak about what he did with GN'R?

And the title happens to be a track mentioned in an article years ago.? :confused:


AXL'S UNDER PRESSURE
Rose is laboring over a song with the working title "Prostitute," according to Youth, but past successes weigh heavily on him. "They sold millions of records in a few years," says the producer. "He had a big crew of people in the studio ... and I think that kind of pressure chokes creativity." RATING: PARADISE CITY

Just A Little Patience, Spin, July 1999 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=71)



/jarmo

i think its almost definite that he has worked with gnr. i found some websites that have him connected to the project that i posted in the "songs on chinese democracy" thread.

Maybe he did, but the question still remains. How come nobody else can give details on what they've done on the album, but he can?



/jarmo

this is true. and who is the admin of that board and why is he so credible?

That's a good question.? Maybe he just isn't as afraid, or aware, of the consequences of violating the confidentiality agreements he signed when he worked with GN'R :hihi:

Ali

Or maybe Axl doesn't care now because the album is finally going to come out soon... :drool:

hmm.. well "This I Love" has supposedly been in the works years before this mention of "Prostitute", but it's still a likely track for the album anyway.

Maybe the rule is you cant talk about Axl specifically or what you did with Axl... I dont know, just guessing.


Imagine hearing this song live.  They'll need a full orchestra.  Maybe Axl will hire the USC Thornton Symphony Orchestra - right in his own backyard  :D  cmon Axl!  Show some Trojan love!

No they wont, that is what Chris is for, all that stuff will be programed into his computer.

You mean they're actually going to plug his rig in this time?

Yeah, I wonder why he can respond as well.  One reason may be Axl had him do some work on the song, prior to his signing a confidientality agreement.  I highly doubt this.  But Axl may have heard what he had to offer and dismissed his contribution to the album.  Therefore, Axl does not give a shit what he has to say because he is out of the loop.

Alright hold up. So Marco Beltrami contributed his music to 3 tracks right? Those would be full orchestrated scores for those tracks to be on CD.

So beyond that there will be another song with full orchestrated music? Is Prostitue one of Marco's? I think this is too much as is. Marco does dark ass shit so that made me hopeful but, come on. I am sure it will be powerful though.

How many fuckin people are out there doing orchrestration?  Evidently, Axl has each of them of speed dial.  It is easy to see why this album is so fucking expensive.  Axl has to comb the earth to find every possible person to fill a certain niche.  I wonder does he really need to find this many different people to do variations of the same thing.  I find it hard to believe one particular person could be so much better than another.  If so just stick with that person in the first place. 

The blues, maddy, and twat also have full orchrestration too.

PEOPLE just because somebody does an arrangement for a song does not mean that it has a whole effing orchestra. so dont worry about it.

Maybe because he doesn't actually say ANYTHING- ''er..yeah its...er....good!''

Real insight on the song there - as we have learnt in the past the trick to a good rumour is to pretend you know a lot but don't actually say anything that can be double checked.

This is bollocks like all the other rumours.

Izzy so tell me how this rumor cant be doubled checked? Once we get the album we will know.
Oh i guess that is not good enought eh? Btw Marco talked a bit about his work on CD with IGN, so he also talked about it.

Er..well duh ::) 2006 is leaving it a long time to check a rumour......


So if Marco talks about something that makes this rumour true?

Read what this guy says again - he's so vague to make checking up on his story impossible, anything more concrete and Mysteron could smash this nonsense right in the mouth - it has orchestra bits - hell they all do! We've known the title for 5 years!

No need to get so defensive - your just the messenger, u didn't create this....or did u :hihi:

"Prostitute is a mid-up, kind of biting, aggressive rhythm section; vocals were only guides, not finished at the time I was working on it, so can?t really say what kind of character they are; the way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gives the song another dimension of, as I said, ice and fire, kind of powerful."

Thats vague??  He decribes everything he supposedly knows about the song...what else should he have said?  He said the rhythm is aggressive, the vocals are unfinished, the exact details of the string arrangement, and describes it all as "powerful". 

And whats your point, anyway?  You think its false because its not informative enough?  That makes a lot of sense...so when Dizzy describes "I.R.S." as a great song, its probably false because he didnt back it up with any musical notation.   



Yeah, so vague he gave the exact number of string instruments... ::)


Yeah, thats exactly what he said  : ok:

Maybe you should post the actual quote instead of trying to be humorous.


And youve completely missed the point...

Jarmo asked why this guy can talk about his work when nobody else has - Dave correctly pointed out that Beltrami did the same.  So if Beltrami can do it, maybe this guy could too...Simple enough?

And didnt some engineer (Castanza maybe?) give some details about his experience with GNR?  Not to mention Moby, Zakk Wylde and a few others Im sure.

When I used the word orchestrated, I used it as meaning an orchestra.

Since when did the Blues and Maddy have this?

But anyway, the ones Marcos has worked on, would have a full orchestra I would presume. But now, it seems Prostitute has this too. I am not saying this as a negative necessarily, but it seems excessive even for this new age of GNR.

The synth parts on Blues and Maddy clearly are meant to duplicate a string section. Axl did not use a real string section for Nov Rain and to me, it takes the song from classy to almost cheesy-still a great tune though. Real strings definitely are noticeable and give the songs much more power and "earthiness"-see The Wall for an example.

Part of what Beltrami did was guitar work, btw.

I wonder where this song lies in the pantheon of Axl's songs?  I wonder if this song is going to be a single?  I can not imagine MTV or other music stations playing a song with that title.  I wonder if the name of this song will be changed?

Mtv would play a vid with this song title, they will just change the name of the song.
Like stinkfist for tool was called track #1.

Radio will have no problem playing the song since they played rape me by nirvana and hooker with a penis by tool

Since when has "Prostitute" become a dirty word?

If the song were a single, Im sure thered be no problem with the title.

I wouldn't mind 10-15 November Rains

I was thinking that too, hell it's the longest going profession around why would they censor the word?

booker you stole the words out of my mouth, eh well in this case my keyboard

Prostitute huh?

When is Axl gonna stop writing songs about Stephanie?  :D

Cant wait to hear it

I hope it not about Stephanie?sounds like a pretty bad loser. :no:

I found some quotes on prostitute.?

1)No hireling she, no prostitute to praise. --Pope.

2)Made bold by want, and prostitute for bread. ?Prior

Brian May is another one who famously talked about working on Chinese Democracy, albeit a long time ago.

Good point.

Maybe Axl pissed him off, being the perfectionist he is and being like "I dont like your arrangements and I'm not gonna use them" So maybe he feels free to talk about his work. I dont think anytihng he did would be on the final product, since no one else is talking in details about any of the songs.

I know Brian May commented on his work with Axl, but never gave details about any of the songs.

I believe its either he got pissed of by Axl, or he didnt get paid so he's talking.

I was just listening to Sticky Fingers by the Stones and Buckmaster provides some killer string arrangements to Sway and Moonlight Mile. Axl is working with top notch professionals. :hihi:

He didnt say anything bad about Axl and he said his songs will be on the album.
So I dont understand your point.

Its not about saying something good or bad about Axl or his songs, NO ONE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECTED HAS COMMENTEDIN DETAIL ABOUT THE SONGS. My point wasnt refering to him talking about Axl in a bad way. My point was throwing out ideas as to WHY HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SONGS AND NO ONE ELSE IS.