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http://www.rte.ie/arts/2004/0804/waitst.html

4 August 2004
Tom Waits announces record details

Tom Waits has announced that he is to release his new album, 'Real Gone', on 4 October.


The follow-up to 2002's 'Alice' and 'Blood Money', 'Real Gone' was produced by Waits and his wife and collaborator Kathleen Brennan.


Waits describes the album as "a homogeneous concoction of mood elevators, mind liberators and downers, an alchemical universe of rattling chains, oscillating rhythms and nine-pound hammers".


Among the musicians joining Waits on the album are longtime bassist Larry Taylor, former Guns 'n' Roses drummer Brain Mantia, Primus bassist Les Claypool and guitarist Marc Ribot, who returns for his first full collaboration with Waits since 1985's seminal 'Raindogs' album.

It might be a mistake you know I hope so just means more bad news management has to speak soon

Hmmmm... Doesnt sound good.... :no:

I guess it only was a matter of time... :'(

I realy hope thats just a typo.If it's true this isn't good at all.I think if brian is gone they could get josh freese from APC because I think maynyrd is going back to tool anyway.

fyi, fortus and brain will be touring together with BT starting around august/september. I think that should be an encouraging sign, no?

True or not does anyone think that these guys have just grown tired of doing absolutely nothing. I mean Brain said his stuff was recorded back in like 00-01. So he has been sitting around for the better part of 3-4 years doing nothing but side stuff. Maybe he is just ready to move on. If this is true the only person to blame is Axl, same thing as with Bucket. If you bring these guys in to be in a band, you've got to expect they are going to want to play the shit they wrote. Telling them to wait years upon years while you continue to screw around is not the best way to run a band as evidence to the fact we still have no new album after all this time.

Maybe Axl fired him? ;)

Josh is playing with the Vandals on the Warped Tour (he was quoted in some news article about that tour), but maybe that's just a temp. gig for him.

I thought Brain is still "on contract" like Buckethead whereas Josh signed out on amiable terms, apparently.

Brain is still with gnr

Who cares if he's in the band or not - they can just get another - there up to 3 all ready with CD, one more really ain't gonna matter.

There you have it folks!Thanks Mysteron

Thanks Mysteron

thanks for squashing this rumor mysteron,  : ok:

peace :peace:

for how long? nobody knows... ::)

I hate this word ... "still" ...

if they are contracted for the next five years, I will believe brain and bucket are still in gnr. If they are running out their contract, that's a different story. From day one I believed brain and bucket were a unit; they couldn't work on their side projects with a divide between them over gnr. Doesn't mean any of them are out, but it makes you wonder if they have any intention of answering to Axl's call when the time comes.

Josh has been playing with the Vandals for many years. 

Chill

It's an Irish journal who have clearly not even spoken to Brain  :hihi:

pheew! glad to hear it! Brain is by far my fav member of this new incarnation of GN'R...well, him and Axl of course! : ok:

I was thinking he was still in GN'R after reading a review of one of the Tommy shows when buddy talked to Fortus :smoking:

RTE, that's the Irish national TV channel.

Not the best source. ;)

thanx Mysteron...enough said ::)

I'll fuckin' take Mysteron's word for it.

Wouldn`t put much faith in that article. Its not like it was Rolling Stone or a a more credible source. Was just some music journalist who wrote it. He probrally knows a lot less about GNR than we do, since only the hardcore fans have any idea the state of affairs in the world of GNR. He probrally assumed Brain was no longer in GNR because they have not been in the media  since the `02 tour meltdown.   :smoking:

no no
I?m not saying just because you said that

"he?s still recording vocals..."
"they?re still put some final touches..."
"yes, I?m still in GNR..."

do you think tommy?s answer averytime is "yes, I?m STILL in GNR..." ?
"I?m in GNR" is so much better

some sentences to me seams that anytime robin, tommy, brain ... could get away, I don?t know why anymore  :confused:

I think I?m fucked up.

You are fucked up.  :hihi:
I guess they said the word "STILL" as any other word, don't look too much on it.

axl says brain is still in the band  : ok:

And Buckethead is too.... :-\

And you know that how exactly?

Why would you say he's out of gnr? He is just worked on the cd. I believe he has worked with Tom before. They all are working on other things. They do have to make a pay check, you know. By the way check out the Tom waites cd. I have some of his stuff. He's really cool.

yeah he has worked with Tom before! : ok:

I wouldn't call Rolling Stone a 'credible source'.
But it'd be better than this. ;)

Madison posted this to anyone that cares

I don't like to bother Merck very often about rumors, but the rumor about Brain leaving seemed to be taking on a life of its own. So I contacted him, and he confirmed that Brain is still in GNR.
Here's his reply:

"Brain is putting percussion on the album as I write. It is correct that he has played on Tom Waits album in his spare time but GN'R is his priority."

... "as I write"??
So much for a nov. album release...if the record is not even done in august, there's no way it can be released in nov. 2004.

It could still be out.

This is a bad example but on the last blink 182 album they did the percussion very quickly and it was released about 2 and a half months later I think.

Yeah technically it could, but I don't have a feeling it will be out. When I'm talking about Brain and the percussion part, I'm basically saying it could mean some other band member could need to go back and lay down some bass or guitar tracks or whatever...then they need to master the CD, send it to a CD-making plant, prepare everything for the promotion, etc.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were planning this while band members were tweaking things.

Percussion is different to drumming.. he could be adding weird stuff.. like cannons.

Don't forget about the mixing of the album.  That very well could be a long and arduous process.

Ali

You can add percussion to a track as a part of the mixing process, i.e, "I like the sound and the levels here, but can we throw a garbage-truck-backing-up-type-beeping between those two drumbeats?"
You could during mixing just before mixing down.  I do this type of thing with commercials, usually as the final step before mixing down and saving a master.

/Mike

Yeah, I kinda assumed the mixing process was done for a good amount of tracks already, but you never know. I guessed they could have already mixed a few tracks and do some tweakings on different tracks.

Or maybe he is adding the percussion to the second or third album, with the first being in the mix?

Arggghhhh!

that's funny. how come merck didn't mention that brain is about to go on tour with BT from aug. 16th to sept. 15th. obviously his percussion session won't last that long.

Oh, that why he was absent from Fuji rock fes.  8)

And it was a Brains hairs breadth?  It must be thinner than a braids breadth.

This is a bad sign to me, first the thing with brain, I mean how can the drums not be finished yet, this has been taking to long for one album... Second I don't know what a hairs breathd is with tommy... I know it's soon, but soon is like years with this groups,,, Hope forthe best I guess...ANother thing is no one ever talks about a video or single, this stuff should be done months before the album for publicity..

Just out of cuirosity...what has U2 done yet to promote their album? If it's supposedly due in November, why no 'official' release date, single, or tour announcement yet? There's still some time before them  ad flyers need to be printed. I'm giving it a few more weeks before I get into panic or pissed off mode (if I do at all).

where are you all getting the info that Brain just was laying down drum tracks?

Did the thought ever enter your tiny mind that the person who issued the press release on behalf of tom waitts that this story is obviously based on would know who is in the band?

Where is the press release?

Did the thought ever enter YOUR tiny mind that by insulting other people you might get yourself banned? READ THE RULES...

Now, now tiny mind is itself insulting

Hey I'm Irish, what exactly is that supposed to mean ? :). Nah I'll agree with you actually. RTE are generally stupid and only have tenuous grasp on the facts and to think I have to pay a TV license to support them.

And the owner is a mental midget with the I.Q. of a fence post
'Cause, the keyboard has been drinking... not me, not me  ;D

Tom Waits rocks!  :peace:

No, they had 3 albums back in 2000. Now they have 7 albums! And Maddie is only a filler on the 6th!

http://www.rte.ie/arts/2004/0804/waitst.html

article on tom waits that mentions brain and les working on his new album but mentions brain as former gn'r drummer not current.

I merged two threads.

He's still in GN'R.



/jarmo