Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.webspawner.com/users/independentscott/index.html


here is the info

the quality is A-. the sound rulz. its shot from the center crowd. great close ups. its not pro. its from the 1 gen


Edit by Will: title modified. This thread will be reopened and the title modified if the "owner" of the "vids" can send any proof he actually has them. In the meantime DO NOT SEND any money to him.

someone at the bar is getting it
so we will find out if its legit or not soon

He also apparently has the Toronto 2002 concert on vid...  :drool:  I hope it's true! :)

holy shit! I've looked for that for forever. I notice he's got Pukkelpop in screen-shot (I've only seen 'Nightrain' and 'My Michelle').

Wow! cool! I hope its legit... I want new gnr concerts with Axl and his old look before he mutated into a cornfreak!  ;D
Plus it has Rhiad!! SHYEAH!

this would be great for all of us.  Fuck I hope it's true.  The HOB show is almost like the holy grail for us Gn'R fans.....besides chinese democracy

Indeed!!! It would be great if it's true... Rhiad videos were always lower than B+ quality, let's hope this shit is true!  :peace:

Hope this shit is true. :beer:

How awesome would it be to see this show. Axl finally reappearing. The place must have been going crazy!

I don't know how legit this is tho.. hope its true!

Watch the guy say "No, for that one it's just the audio...." ::)


 :hihi:

...anybody know anything about this guy? Is he reputable? $30 is kinda steep...I don't want to get ripped. I was at the HOB show and would love to get it!

I was at House of Blues right smack in the middle and I didnt see anyone with a camera, I dont know man, security was pretty tight, but you never know. 

Best show ever.  Every GnR show should take place after 3 AM.

OUT :peace:

Bro, I was smack in the middle too! You couldn't have missed me - big guy shaved head, axl shirt. I mean right up front right in middle! And u r right security was insane! That's why I'm hesitant...

I was so fuckin high I was completely engulfed in the show, so yeah, there is a good possibility I missed you.  That was one hell of a fuckin night, If the bootleg captured half of the the magic of that night, then you owe it to GnR fans to put it out. I never felt a vibe at a concert like the one from that night.

OUT :peace:

So is this the only vegas show that has surfaced?  I was front row in front of finck at the 12/29/01 vegas show.  I still want it, thats Axl's comeback and I've been dieing to get it since it happened.

the HOB show was the best show I've ever seen.  I'd give anything to see this!!!!!!!!

anybody find out of this guy is legit yet, cause i want the HOB show so bad

peace  :peace:

Well, I talked to the guy. He gave me his address and all his info, but he charges $25 a dvd ::) maybe a couple of people could pool together and buy one, see if it's legit, and mattbober said he'd make copies for free. if he's a fraud, we could report him  ;D

I would love to see this show!
the comeback of Axl, they played Rhiad, would be awesome to see them in a smaller venue too!
plus it was before Axl started sporting his gangster outfit.

Weird, I tried to contact the guy and his email address doesn't seem to exist anymore:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  independentscott@webspawner.com
    SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<independentscott@webspawner.com>:
    host webmail.webspawner.com [69.151.72.104]: 550 5.1.1
<independentscott@webspawner.com> is not a valid mailbox

I wonder how the others managed to contact him...

Will, did you try the other address at the top of the page?

No, I'm not sober enough this morning, I didn't see it! lol
Thanx for the heads up, I thought I was in the Twilight Zone or something! ;D

I wanted to add...has anyone asked him to send screenshots?? That's basically the only way to make sure this is for real. It takes 10 seconds with PowerDVD and Photoshop to make some screenshots. I see he has a webspace so he can host them. I contacted him and if he replies I will ask him for screenshots.

people, he needs to prove it with samples/screenshots whatever. otherwise he will make some $$$ easily without returning anything cause you jumped on this too fast.
you've realized he has a very small list but 3 very rare videos including new source HOB amateur shot a "new" one aswell ?? stay cool and dont buy it before there are proofs for their existance IMO.

Yeah that's basically what I just said! ;D
I think we need to see screenshots too first.

He may just have it on video tape though, since there are no mentions of DVDs on that page. It would be a little more difficult to get screen shots then :-\

No he said to someone else he could burn that on DVDs, which means he can get screenshots. Worst case scenario, at least someone he knows has got a digital camera and can take a snapshot of the TV or whatever.

I got the same answer everyone else did, but I asked directly for screenshots. I asked for details on the source for Pukkelpop (gen., complete or not, etc.) and he didn't say anything. I will let you know what his next reply will be.

Hi,sounds great! but fake for me..i will be on pukkelpop next week with velvet revolver(and filming) i will look what i can find by the belgium gunners..for more pukkelpop tapes...i dont think there will be more tapes but iam gonna ask for  it around.

Cool stuff, let us know! :)
Lots of us Gunners were at that show and that would be awesome to have it complete on DVD as a souvenir!

i was there to :peace:

this guy is bullshit!! who the fuck is he!! none of us have heard of him before!!

saying he has Toronto & Pukkelpop screener gives the game away straight away!! only 1 person owns Toronto right now & he hasn't spread it yet and the guy hosting that site is not him!!

Pukkelpop has not even been confirmed as being a complete show!!!

HOB exists only as proshot which the Japs have in archive!

Theres no fucking way someone could have audience shot that show!! if sercurity didn't catch them Axl sure as shit would have!!

I'm not judging anyone unless he can't deliver screenshots within the next couple of days. I have the same doubts as everyone else but I'm like Mulder, I WANT TO BELIEVE... ;D

If by thursday we don't have any legit DVD screenshot (that'd be pretty easy to find out if they're legit or not), I think we can officially say it's a scam.

I got a reply for a trade. I offered a couple of DVDs for the HOB DVD. He just copied and pasted his selections and said "I want these"..

I asked if its genuine.. no response yet.

My initial feeling is that this is a scam..

I got a responce: "No screenshots, sorry"

I didn't get a response yet but if it's "no screenshots" for everyone this is obviously a scam.

I asked if he could take a picture of his TV while playing it and he says he has no digital camera  >:( I told him to send first... we'll see what happens...

i'm sorry. i dont' know how to do screen shots

"gunnerdownunder@pacific.net.au" <gunnerdownunder@pacific.net.au> wrote:Unless you can supply me with screenshots, the deal is off.

Original Message:
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From: scott caldwell independent_scott@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:43:42 -0700 (PDT)
To: gunnerdownunder@pacific.net.au
Subject: Re: Trade


this dvd rocks. very very rare. great picture and sound

"gunnerdownunder@pacific.net.au" wrote:And
your HOB DVD is genuine?
 

hmmm...sounds like bullshit.

I wouldn't buy anything from anybody but Matt Bober anyway.....

I emailed this guy too, and he basically told me two things:
1) He doesn't know how to make screenshots.
2) He only trades by mail.

Sounds a bit fishy, but you never know...

-Eirik-

Come on, who the fuck doesn't know how to make screenshots?  ::)  It's the simplest thing in the world. Seems pretty clear to me that it's a rip-off  :P

Ok i have send him a mail..and this is what he sad:

i want $20 for that dvd. send cash or money order to
 
Mod edit : Please don't post people's home address on the board ;)

so i think he is corrupt,but maybe someone here on the forum lives there or now were that is?

iam willing to send money in my land(netherlands) than i can come out to get my stuff if it doesent show up..

Excellent ! lol ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I really can't believe so many people are really falling for this!

i mean surely if the guy had HOB he'd be advertising more than just the 2002 shows on his list seriously! I've been trading GNR since 93 & i've never heard of this clown!

If this is bullshit (which i'm 99% certain it is) I suggest we all go around independent_scott's place & give him a seriously major kicking for blaggin everyone!  :rant:

whos with me  : ok: :hihi:

I don't understand why you're saying "so many people are really falling for this". If you read the thread cautiously, everybody's having doubts about the authenticity of this "DVD". I only believe what I can see so if I get screenshots I will believe him. Otherwise no. We all already know the reasons why this is likely a scam. If you don't hear anything before the end of the day, this is obviously BS, and we should make sure he removes these videos from his list and his site. I just hope no one has sent money yet.

Just sent this guy an email. Included within this email is this address: http://www.any-capture.com/. There is a free trial version of their capture software. I told him to download it and take a screenshot. If he doesnt provide us with any images then i think it is safe to assume that this thread can be closed off.

Jonx

The guy stopped replying to my emails since I sent him a detailed email on how he can make and send captures via email. This was almost 24 hours ago.

I will close this topic for now as this is obviously a scam. The thread will be re-opened in case he can send any proof to anyone allowing us to find out it's legit.

- Topic closed -

[DO NOT SEND money to this guy]