Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This is by no means a bash to either band, GNR or VR!

So that said, here's my suggestion:

Do you think Axl is also waiting to release CD because of VR is in the spotlights right now? I think he doesn't want to make the competition, that the media is gonna create, bigger then necessary. Because that's what will happen if they release material at the same time, the press will make it into one big competition. And they will both be very much anoyed by it. It will probably hurt to much on both sides, creating awkward situations.

So I think he will wait untill VR is beyond the big hype of their debut album. Then he can do his thing without being confronted and compared to VR to full extent. I know it will happen anyway but if they aren't in each other's way it will be at lot less.

I know there are probably a million reasons why we haven't got CD yet, but I do think that this has also something to do with it. What do you guys think of this?

I think that's a good point but I see Axl of more of a person who dosen't give a fuck about the competition.

I don't think he give's a shit about the competition itself, because he knows it will take place. But I do think he knows it could get so big it could overshadow the thing he worked for so hard the last 10 years , Chinese Democracy. Because that's what will happen, the music will get in the 2nd place and the competition "who's the best" will be the thing everybody will focus on. It could be like a soap opera, and I think that's the last he thing wants to happen.

FOr the most part the VR buzz/hype has faded/died down. By the time Axl releases it the spotlight will be on GNR. Actually either way teh spotlight will be on GNR when things get going. So it doesnt matter.

Well I think that if he is really waiting for VR to calm down, then he'll find any reason to wait. I doubt he cares much about VR though.

In some magazine Slash said Axl had attempted to release the album in a couple of weeks time after Contra. So assuming that he or the interviewer was not bullshitting, Axl didn?t mind to full extent being confronted and compared to VR.

I guess if it actually took place, both albums would have sold like hell as ppl love soap opera.
And which album would run longer was pretty obvious IMO. ;)

I don't think the VR hype is about to die down any time soon.? Fall To Pieces is going to be huge on mainstream radio.

I don't think Axl would ever admit to feeding off of VR's hype or waiting for it to subside but I'm sure the record company is.

Regardless he'll do fine to release CD in the last quarter of the year.? If he waits any longer than that........who knows??

If Axl feels it's one of the greatest records ever made........than I don't think the timing matters to him at all.

Its been on the radio for like 2 weeks now. When is it going to take off?


DId they interview the Slash who said that CD had only 2 tracks or was it the other SLash?

I'll agree with the general sense here and say Axl probaly doesn't care to much about VR...he knows the spotlight will be him when this is ever releases because of the myth around him and it.

However he might be concerned with:

--The legal issues continually hounding the band from numerous sources, including CC and his former bandmates.

-- The predisposition of some, if not many, in the press to treat him and his project negatively ( listen to some of the rants he's had, and it's pretty obvious that this is a guy who does read his clippings).

-- An inability to find promotional backing for a tour either here or in Europe ( guess we'll know more about this soon)

FTP won't be huge. It lacks the hook.

With "Slither" still number 1 on the mainstream rock chart and top 5 on the modern rock chart,
let's hope Axl not waiting for the VR momentum to slow down.  FTP hasn't even been released yet and it's already on every rock heavyweights playlist just waiting for Slither to finally
die down and take on a life of it's own.

Let's hope Axl's not waiting (which I doubt he gives a rats ass) but if he is, it might be a long wait.  With a new American tour supposedly in the works for the fall, Contraband is likely to have some long legs and make a nice run into 2005 and beyond.

Falcon, where do you get this American tour in the works for the fall I thought it was European?  Anyway every year someone is looking for an excuse for the album not to come out.  People saying well I think it will come out when VR puts theres out because of the competition.  Now its oh wait he'll put it out when VR dies down.  Everyone knows why it's not out, because Axl wants it perfected in his own mind and as "democratic" as possible.

http://www.snakepit.org/news.html

I was hoping you were talking about a GN'R tour in the works....Man they need to tour....release an album, etc.  VR is one of the only bands out right now thats any good.

yeah...what about all the years before Contraband? what was holding it back then? Snakepit? Izzy?
if it is "holding it back" it would be nothing more than another excuse not to release it.

On the contrary - surely he would want to release it now to go one-up on his former 'friends'? - its pretty obvious CD will sell more and its the kind of vindictive thing Axl would do.

You really, really, really hate VR, don't you?

Anyway, it's impossible to guess what Axl is thinking. I always thought that he would also regret it a little that the original line-up didn't work out, bit reading some comments above, he couldn't care less. Too bad though, so they will never, ever play again........

The hype has pretty much died down. But it may come back when VR release their new single and start touring again. So if CD comes out in November the second part of VR's hype may have died down again and CD will be alright for release.

If Axl released the album they would blow VR away because everyone knows GNR can sell more albums

I think it would have been a better idea for Axl to release CD at around the same time as Contraband to create some positive hype.  The media would have billed it as a battle between slash and Axl and it would have generated a huge amount of attention.

Not really. I like them but Im just not a huge fan. Think they are great live.

CD will create its own buzz. If the material is great then everything will take care of itself.

Not that I think Axl really cares, but the VR "hyped" faded long ago as far as the mainstream fans goes.  The only people who really care anymore are the hardcore old grn and stp fans.

I think Axl is releasing the album when he's releasing because it's ready to be released.  If it was ready to be released when CB was released i'm sure he would have released it then.  The guy's been working on it for years...wouldn't he just want to finally just get it out there?

I don't think revolver has anything to dio with it, the fact you don't see chinese d is because it isn't done :no:

Keep smoking the crack pipe son! Slither is still hot, and ftp really is just starting, not considering all the other songs that could be huge. I seen them in latrobe, and people knew every word to every song. The hype is just beginning!

Oh God, what a bore.
Stupid idea. Stupid thread.
The entire idea is beyond ridiculous.

Yeah, since you were born as baby Jesus, you know all the answers to everything.

Shut the fuck up and stay the fuck away if you are only giving comments about how boring this is. You know what's boring? If you are bored by something and you even take the time to write a stupid post about the fact  that you find it boring. Man, that most be the most stupid thing since the internet has forums.

And you know what else is boring? If you act like are in the fucking band, and can give answers to people as if you know what you are talking about. Since you don't know shit about Axl or how to treat people with respect: stay the fuck away from any topic I open, cause you're answers are not appreciated.

Stupid fuck.....

That's just the kind of shit we don't need on this board. People complaining about how boring a topic is and then the topic starter "defends" his thread by trying to insult the complaining poster.

Maybe now some people actually understand why one of the rules say that you shouldn't just complain about a thread or somebody's grammar?



/jarmo

Yeah Jarmo, you're probably right. That this will be my one and only "defend" post. I'll leave at this, but it's a bit annoying that I, with my best intentions, start a topic about what I might think about the situation, and then someone comes along with a huge amount of arrogance to make me feel really, really small........ it's just not cool. I'm just making conversation here and telling what I think.....

I doubt it. If he's waiting for anything it'll be legal issues and the actual completion of the album.

Personally, I don't think he gives a shit about VR, because he's happy making this music the way he wants it, and he knows that Guns N Roses won't come against much competition when this album comes out.

@#$%Funker