Here Today... Gone To Hell!

just to let you all know as we suspected the article was just an extra bit from tommy stinson saying that he is grateful to axl for letting him be in the band, and that he would be happy for the old members to reform but he does not see it happening once to break the chain with axl thats it. He also said that the band members all know that the fans only go to see axl not them and that the album is a hairs breadth from coming out.? ::)

"You're with him or against him"
GN'R BASSIST LIFTS THE LID ON FRONT MAN AXL ROSE

GUNS N' ROSES bassist Tommy Stinson has spoken to Kerrang! about the band's reclusive frontman Axl Rose.
"We have a great relationship," says Stinson. "He is very supportive.? Hopefully some time soon the press will want to talk to him about the positive shit that is going on in his life now.? Not just about drugs and drink like the way they always do.? But when people come to see Guns N' Roses, they come to see one person, we know that."
? Stinson, a member of GN'R since 1998, also revealed he would be happy if the band's original line-up decided to remform.
? "If there was a lot of money on the table for the original GN'R to get back together I would totally back it," he explains.? "Axl has been nothing but good for me and good to me.? If that was what he wanted to do and needed to do then I would totally back him.
? "Having said that I can't see it happening,"? Stinson muses.? "He [Axl] is your best friend until you break the chain and then he doesn't want to know you.? There are no half measures; you are either with him or against him."
? Fans have been waiting for Axl and co's album 'Chinese Democracy' for over a decade, but Stinson reckons the wait is almost over.
? "It's a hairs breadth from being finished," he adds.


Kerrang! August 07 2004 Issues 1017

I've always been under that impression too. Once he feels you have betrayed him there's no way you can make up with him. That's why I think a reunion will never happen  :-\

It's nice to keep it positive, but Mr. Tom Tom...I don't go to GNR shows for Axl (at all)...it's the for the guitars...don't sell yourself short son :hihi:

"hairs bedth"

How long is this I wonder. What...One, maybe two years.

Besides, I don't see how it can only be a "hairs bedth" when Axl only recorded vocals on 2 tracks. Slash said he knew that for a fact  ;)

I agree as well once you have let down Axl there is no turning back but how long is "hairs bedth" is according to Tommy?

What a big pile of shit.

Kerrang bill it as some sort of exclusive and then write a small paragraph of crap we already know.

Fuck You Kerrang!

@#$%Funker

 

 ::)  All I have to say is UGH. If it's a hairs breath, whatever that means, unless they're just picking a cover, or a date, that means the album has not been pressed, or packaged, or anything. Possibly. Or maybe it is. I'm making myself dizzy running around in circles. GAH!! JUST RELEASE IT ALREADY!!

"It's a hairs breadth from being finished,"  So in other words, it will be done "soon".  I'm begining to hate that word.  Kerrang really does suck. :no:

Ehm, Axl and Slash haven't spoken to each other since '96..... so I wouldn't put any value in Slash's comment.....

http://www.kerrang.com/nav?page=kerrang.planetkerrang.magazine


Look at where it says Breaker.Is that the next magazine or the current one?

Released today.

it just goes to show how the fuckin media rags like the shit kerrang uses gnr to sell shit, they bill it as an exclusive into chinese democracy but all they gave us was something they should have put in the tommy interview last week fuck kerrang :rant: fuck'em to hell :rant:

peace :peace:

HAHAHA

"EXCLUSIVE"

that?s what I had in mind

As long as you were'nt stupid enough to buy it, then who cares? *Kerrang* is the sound of people throwing this shitty magazine in a trash bin.

If you think about it, it is exclusive.

1. Now we know Tommy would support a reunion.

2. I don't think I've heard the term "hairs breadth" bieng used in commentin on the status of CD before. :D

So there you have it...

Oh mighty Kerrang magazine.....  ;D

It's like when they reviewed GN'R's performance at Rock in Rio 2 and it turned out that the journalist didn't even attend the show and totally made up the review  :hihi:

                   "But when people come to see Guns N' Roses, they come to see one person, we know that"
                                                                                            >:(

I dont know if you know this Mr. Stinson but when i eventually go to see Guns N' Roses, im going to see the band Guns N' Roses, not drool over Axl cause he's the last man standing, Fuck that :no: . Members dont come n' go like The Cure or NIN here, im a fan of you Mr. Stinson and the rest of the band.  Some people are only in it for Axl but not me, i could'nt ask for a more perfect band and if any of you guys leave i'll be cut as!!!.

Pink Floyd and..........even Fleetwood Mac are perfect eg. of line-up changes but the later changes have been the best, Guns N' Roses are one of em'!!! : ok: : ok:

Not much to say on this thread but i had to write something after reading the Stinson interview :o
thanx...

Well, Clintron, I agree with you that most people on this board who are fans of the new group want to be INTO the whole group (look at the thread dedicated to praising Toomy's record!)...But in a general sense, the 'regular' public still knows GNR (now) as Axl Rose, and that's who theyre waiting on and who they will pay to see.

Be honest with yourself and realize that when people go see this incarnation of GNR they go to see one person. ----->Chris Pittman and his slinky-powered synth.

End of story.

                                                                                                                                         :)

i just realised this is already being discused in another thread sorry, some one move it please. (if its required)

na na...fuckin' move it Misfit then piss off!!! ;D

lol.. im sensing some sort of hate-hate relationship there..

I remember from the radio interview he did very recently, he said something like...the only reunion tour he'd ever go to is if The Clash got back together [I'm speaking from memory].  But it's still interesting to know that he does support an original GNR reunion.

Now where's Freya?  She's supposed to come here and say how Tommy's description of Axl fits her theory of Borderline Personality Disorder.... Freya?  freya?  :P


That's terribly shoddy journalism.  :-\

hairsbreadth

SYLLABICATION: hairs?breadth

PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: h?rzbrdth     KEY 

VARIANT FORMS: hair's-breadth also hair?breadth (h?r-) 

NOUN: A small space, distance, or margin: won by a hairsbreadth. 

 ???

Most fans of gnr always went to see Axl.
Ask slash or duff, they always got pissed because the fans always chanted for Axl, or at the air port Axl always got mobed but not them. 

Any particular specific instances you'd care to cite to verify Slash or Duff "getting pissed"?

Just facts please.

thanks you beat me to it.
Want proof of the fans.
Look at the PC vid.
Listen to the toyko show and the chats of Axl Axl Axl.

Hardly factual.?

Show me a specific instance Slash or Duff voicing resentment towards their bandmates fame please.? ?

Something in the vein of "I can't believe Axl gets all the attention, I'm really getting pissed"..

Duff or Slash would never openly say something like that.

You first asked for a specific instance that would verify that notion. It was provided.

You dont have to believe it but that is an example.
And its quite obivious Axl was the attention getter in GNR. Hes the frontman. NAturally hes going to get most of the attention. And being that he is one of rocks greatest he got a little more and then some. That doesnt mean SLash and company were nothing or that they didnt mean anything to gnr, its just that overal,l Axl and his popularity was far greater than the rest of the band. Its just reality.

ohhhhhhhhhhhh burn

I wouldnt say it was "far" greater, but I agree Axl was the main attraction for a lot of people even in the original GNR.  For many people however, it was the dynamic between Axl & Slash that made it a great band.  Great frontman coupled with a great lead guitarist is the stuff legends are made of.

But if Tommy has this feeling that "people come to see one person", I cant argue with it because in the last tour, they played mostly old songs.  If the public only sees them cover AFD songs, then of course they'll just view them as hired guns.

Once they release new material, I hope they all feel they are important to the band.

I wonder though if Robin feels the same way as Tommy.  His role as lead guitarist tends to have more weight.   Unlike Tommy and BH, Robin has not released any recent solo work (not to my knowledge anyway), so maybe he feels he's 'in' GNR as opposed to 'with' GNR, or 'still with' GNR.

good point, i beleive Chi-Dem will have alot of Fincks writing in it.
but when the album is released, i hope the world does reconises the new band and doesnt treat em' like hired guns, time will tell!!

Now when Buckethead is gone...it's true...

my friends who are not as big GN'R fans as me seem to be of the conception that Slash was just as much a frontman as Axl, and that's why some of them was horrified when they saw one of the 2002 gigs I have on DVD, saying like "what is this? Slash was half the show! the guys he's got in the band now just stands there!"
one of the guys I play with now and then had the opinion that as long as Slash and Axl was in the band they could still have called themselves GN'R, but not Axl alone.
this is what seems to be the opinion of the average fan from my experiences.

I think it was great to see Tommy has respect for the old band by saying what he did. it made me respect him more! : ok:

Agreed. BUt we are discussing popularity not what made gnr great. Its not an insult to the other members that Axl was more popular. Yes, they were all popular but Axl was the main attraction for most.


Once the new band releases the album, they will beign to pick up new fans and old fans. As a result, it will become more of their band.

no one knows

Hairs breathd, another dumb ass statment, how about saying a in a month or so.. These guys have no clue what the hell is going on, read his interviews, dizzy's and you'll see... These guys are out doing side projects, they aren't well informer, or even involved,,,They always say oh when axl calls I'll be there, or I'm anxious for the album too.. DOesn' t sound like a tight group to me :no:

To verify the original "getting pissed" theory, which was what I was looking for, proof would have to come in a quote from Slash or Duff voicing their displeasure, (not some random Axl rambling) otherwise it's just speculation.? As for Slash or Duff "never openly saying something like that", why wouldn't they?? I can think of other specific instances with other bands and their members voicing their displeasure with the attention their front person was getting (No Doubt is a prime example), so a quote from Slash or Duff voicing their jealousy isn't too much to ask.


See above.


Again, see above.

Its not thier fault Axl is holding onto the album for whatver reasons. How is that their fault? Their work is done. They are simply waiting. ANd guess what...in the waiting process, the members have jammed and helped out on each others albums and tours. They are all friends.
SOunds like a band to me  ;)

For me it was always axl and slash with axl  being the pilot and slash more like his copilot, Axl was more out there and more famous cause in his role as frontman he was the face of gnr, and he was greaat in that role, and becasue of his sex appeal to all  the women.  but slash was not to far behind because he was and is iconic to people cause he is that good of a guitar player and such a bad ass , i think most people went to see axl do what he does best, tear it up  with his cohorts and namely slash.

peace :peace:

and here is a quote saying different (although it is from a different time period to what we were talking about)

An extract from an article by Mick Wall Dec 00. "On the few occasions i happened to share a drink with him (Axl) i usually found him, ironically, to be quite mellow. I remember him standing outside the Cat Club with him one night while he showed off the enormous new ghetto-blaster he'd just fitted to his car, blaring out Metallica's "Eye of the beholder" at knee-trembling volume. He was intense but talkative, maybe even a little shy.
Which is why, i assumed he'd grown the big red beard he sported throughout 1989. What with the horn- rimmed glasses, and the old baseball cap turned backwards, it made him virtually unrecognisable from the back- combed sex-bomb then seen on MTV every day. A perfect disguise, in fact, which allowed him to roam the streets of LA, free from the kind of hassle the more instantly recognisable Slash and Duff were then really starting to suffer from.
"I leave all that shit to them" Axl told me "Slash and Duff are like the cartoon figures of the band" he added.               

well this sounds much more possitive to me.it's a good thing to read. : ok:

well this is a good thing to read.a very possitive thing. : ok:sounds good to me.

UM, he saying how hes altered his look so he doesnt have to go through that hassle of being a celebrity. Hes content with the rest of the band wanting the attention.

 ;)




great excerpt/quote... thanks

Axl in horn-rimmed glasses....
 :love: