Here Today... Gone To Hell!

My guess is it will come out in 2006 and will be a tighter, better collection of songs than "Contraband," which is still excellent.

Here's my one suggestion: Dump Dave Kushner and get Izzy. :hihi: :peace: : ok:

Why dump dave? he is awesome!You know izzy won't work with a singer after what happened in his GN'R days

Dump Dave? so you totally hate contraband? Dave was very important to the sound acheived by the band

Dont dump Dave, he is cool. But get Weiland to sing Izzy songs, VR needs a dosis of Izzy  :smoking:

Where did I say I hate "Contraband"? Dave is cool, nothing wrong with him. But there is only one Izzy Stradlin. IMHO, he's like the Bob Dylan of hard rock. Just listen to "River" and "Ride On."

yeah there's only one Izzy Stradlin...but what does that have to do with Dave Kushner or Velvet Revolver?

Yeah no way can you dump Dave he is important 2 VR do you think VR will do something different on there next album?

If Contraband got any "tighter" or "better" it would be as good as AFD.

And why would you dump a good musician who's been described by those in the band as the anchor??

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yeah sure :rofl:

Contraband was good but c'mon - its not even close to GNR's worst track

Dave might have been awesome but the production on that album was so poor i struggle to make out his contribution

Better production is a must for the new album - things need to be more distinctive - oh and Scott needs to actually write the lyrics for this one, getting his kids to pen them seems to have backfired big time 'rape my tapeworm abortion' - really, makes Estranged look like shit don't it? :hihi:

I know what Izzy brings, I've listened to all his solo records. I also know what Dave brings. Dave fits this band well. Izzy is doing just fine as a solo artist who makes unpopular but great solo records for his fans

I wouldn't go as far as saying that Contraband wasn't as good as GNR's worst track...it was a good album...especially by today's standards.  We're finally seeing some decent rock talent on the charts. 

I do agree that the second album should be produced better...
And for the second album...more crazy Slash solo's...they were good on CB...but not like the Slash of old.

I don't know why everyone is so hell-bent on AFD. It was a awesome album, and I love it sooo much, if people try to compare it to any other album every they get tossed and made fun of and look down on.

I mean it's great, I prefer Use Your Illusions II over it easy. It's a too similair. UYI2 has more variety.

AFD is great... but I'm not sure on why people put it up on this pedestal. It was the right album with the right band, at the right time. Like Slash said. Very timely. They were something different. Put it out today, and it might sell 2 million copies. Real rock bands can't sell... now in time.

Point? Get off the undisputed AFD talk please? It gets old.

On topic...
I think VR will cough out another album, and I do believe it to be better then COntraband... I hope it will be which will be hard to do though. I think it will come out Late 2005 actually. Which is cool. Go VR!

I saw bring in Izzy because he is such a great songwriter. Now that would make VR as cool as shit. But, why bother saying that? There's a better chance of VR getting Kurt Cobain.

Thats not actualy true, Izzy's albums have zero promotion, no videos, singles or even a tour - he doesn't even do interviews. Add to that often no more than 10,000 copies are even made and most of them end up in Japan and its seems the lack of sales is much more to do with the fact no one even knows he's producing music - therefore the sales he does manage are truly astounding.

Let's face it - if u weren't a GNR fan would u even know who Izzy was let alone that he did albums?

His album's are very good and i think with some serious promotion they would sell millions - ultimatley his albums are Rolling Stones efforts under another name and judging from their continued success there is a market for that style.

I read about a month ago on Channel 4 in the uk. 
Their music teletext service had an interview with Duff
and he said rough ideas were already being demo'd.

I still find Contraband a very good listenable album. 
Although of course for the 2nd album they will have
spent more time together and hopefully that will gel the potential we can see already.

I seem to remember you throwing around the "opinion" word in another thread.

The phrase 'your opinion' springs to mind. <--------- yep, there it is.......remember that Izzy?

I think Contraband tops UYI I & II.




I find absolutely nothing wrong with the production on Contraband.




I'm not one who cares much about the lyrics.? If it rocks.....it stays in my cd player.? I'm not looking for rock 'n' roll songs with "deep meaning".  But I'm sure if you looked hard enough, there would be some meaningful songs on Contraband.  Good luck with that.

I think that better song-writing would be better rather than better production.

Secondly, Contraband dosen't even come close to UYI I & II.

Lol - shall we go back and forth with the whole ur opinion my opinion stuff? :hihi:

So u don't care about the lyrics and aren't looking for deep meaning in ur songs - u should try stuff by WASP then :rofl: So basically ur saying as long as Slash is there and plays some average to good guitar work thats enough? Productions, lyrics etc really are irrlevant to u?

Fair enough - if ur so easily pleased then good for you - i personally need a bit more substance. That ur so easy to please doesn't really lend much credibility to your 'defence' of Contaband - and as for ur GNR bashing - well maybe there too complicated for u?

Maybe cuz you're anal like a Harvard professor


That statement has no substance.? Because I pay more attention to the music itself than lyrics makes my opionion less credible??


Because I like Contraband more than UYI.......I'm GNR bashing??? Guns N' Roses have been my favorite band since August 1987.? The only complaint I've had was how long it's taken for CD to come out.

You're like a little Chiwawa behind me nipping at my heels anytime I speak highly of VR.? What are you Axl's girlfriend??

Hey, does this insult you or get you panties all bunched up......."If earth vs. the wildhearts was released the same time as AFD......and promoted in the U.S............GNR probably wouldn't have been as big as they are today".?

Contraband, earth vs. the wildhearts, P.H.U.Q.......all better than UYI....in my "less credible" opinion of course.

What a strange remark? Do i respond with 'Your mum'?

Being comapred to a Harvard Professor surely the pinacle of academic excellence is something take as a compliment


That statement has no substance.? Because I pay more attention to the music itself than lyrics makes my opionion less credible??


That the lyrics and production of an album are irrlevant to u certainly does damage ur opinion somewhat....''its got a good guitar solo so sod the other 4mins of the song...'' :confused:


Because I like Contraband more than UYI.......I'm GNR bashing??? Guns N' Roses have been my favorite band since August 1987.? The only complaint I've had was how long it's taken for CD to come out.


Lol - we have had this before. Your GNR bashing is the stuff of legend - VR better than GNR live etc etc etc



Sure thing : ok:

I can't remember how this all started - oh wait, u said Contraband was almost as good as AFD :nervous: Ur entitled to your opinion - but c'mon that statement's nonsense

Has it occurred to you that people might actually like Weilands lyrics?

As for deep meanings, not only can meanings be attached to nearly every song on the album, but I suppose you must not care for AFD much, since most of it isnt deeply meaningful at all (unless youd like to outline the profundity of "Anything Goes"?).  You cant make sense of Weilands lyrics...thats too bad.  Its unfair to hold that against those who can.

And odd that you should bring up production again when he clearly stated he found nothing wrong with it.


Thats a pretty arrogant attitude from someone who said



Riiight... : ok:

So maybe you should consider the silliness of some of your own opinions before you start attacking others.

Some people also like Hitler, the Spice Girls and George Bush - doesn't make any of them right either :hihi:

I happen to like Weiland's style to a point - its just unless u have a astounding knowledge of the man and his 'advanetures' it makes understanding the songs impossible. That's not the end of the world - but surely it's a mark against it being a truly amazing album

Hand on heart - can u say the lyrics are superb? On topic, can u say the lyrics are (on average) as good as AFD or UYI is on average? That was what this conversation began with.



Atleast one need not hold a degree in 'Weilandology' to understand them, atleast one can relate to songs like Anything goes - lol maybe a certain poster can't, sorry couldn't resist :hihi:



Thats a pretty arrogant attitude from someone who said



Er...read what i said in full


There is a market for Rolling Stones esque music judging by their continued spectacular sales - Izzy's albums are very much in their style and also of a good standard, if u honestly believe Izzy with better promotion would fail to sell atleast a couple of million world wide then u really hold the man in very limited regard - if Cannibal Corpse can sell that many world wide u seriously believe Izzy could not?


Lol

Claiming Contraband is a good album but has ample scope for improvment is silly? Okay - Contraband is perfection itself! That better? The lyrics aren't particularily amazing and the production could have been much better - that is an unreasonable view?

Not to add fuel to the fire here, but it is my OPINION that songs like 'Anything Goes' and "You're Crazy, and "Think About You" could not have even made it onto Contraband because of really how bad they are.  I agree with the poster that is sick of people putting AFD on this huge pedestal.  It is a great album, but it is not flawless.  And some of the songs just reek of 1980's hair band like "Out ta Get Me" and parts of "It's So Easy" <------ namely the whole "Why don't you just FUCK OFF" part which is uber-gay.

As for lyrics...well I'll just say that if Axl would spend less time trying put out this deeply meaningful album, and more time rocking like he did with AFD, we would already have a kickass album by now.  I mean who the fuck listens to Rock and Roll to discover some deep meaning?  That's crazy talk folks.   : ok:

Contraband is excellent.  Their next effort will be even better IMO.

-TyRod-

I agree with you about the rock n roll spirit etc. but what the fuck are you on a bout? every song on AFD is amazing.

Damn. That's some of the most intense criticism of GNR i have ever seen - anywhere. Even on a Nirvana board i wouldn't expect to see that. I am actually stunned a man that has just said 5 of AFD's 12 songs are 'bad' visits a GNR board each week. Additionally how u can describe AFD as 'a great album' yet claim 40% is 'bad' is amazing.

May i inquire what GNR songs u actually like?



No we would have a series of average efforts.....


Strange comment - not all rock music is just 45 min guitar solo's and a chorus which seems to suggest some people want slightly more from their music...

What made GNR great was that they could do the rock songs and also do a few more emotive number too - GNR are the thinking man's heavy metal.


Well atleast we can agree the next album will be better - of that i have no doubt.

I've heard GNR described as many things, but never, and I mean never the above.

U disagree?

Thinking man = clever

Songs like Estranged and Coma for example are most definetly lyrically and technically brilliant and appeal to those looking for a bit more from their music - GNR are far more than loud guitars and a high pitched singer. Only the more 'advanced' msuic listener is ever likley to get anything out of songs like breakdown and Locomotive.

GNR are heavy metal (i know, its such a loose category covering just about anything but atleast according to MTV the're heavy metal ;))

Anyway put the two together and u have GNR: the thinking man's heavy metal : ok:

For my next trick i will turn water...into funk!

incredibly bad songs?  just another 80s hair band?? It's So Easy, and in specific the line that influenced a generation GAY????  :o :o :o :o :o
i can't believe what im hearing... my poor aching heart :no:
do you call yourself a fan? honestly now... wtf??

errrr i do! i get sick when i hear some of the bs some rockers write... i love old skool rock 'n roll... but even in there there's some real crap! I LOVE gnr above other bands because they don't only rock, but they also write good lyrics and they have something to say... since them there hasn't been one band who was able to do the same... not ONLY the music is important, i love the RHCP but some of their lyrics are sooooo lame ::) but that's fine, that's not what they're about, the lyrics... VR... well... if the guys could write like that in their 20s they should be able to do the same or even better when they're twice that age...  :yes:

oh god i hate the term heavy metal, why does everyone always put gnr unedr heavy metal?  :crying:

but i totally agree with you... from alot of rockbands im already happy if they have good music... after all Pink Floyd meant well when they wrote Wish You Were Here, a real beauty, but you have to be stoned to see what they really mean with stuff like "we're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bole"  :hihi:
but guns was amazing when it came to lyrics... and not just casue of Axl... coma is one of my fav songs by them... i like all songs but that one jumps out, even more than any song on Appetite, because it doesn't only rock, it's also sensitive and the lyrics are just amazing! :drool:

We are the same, did you read my post on page 1 here? We're alike I"m glad I"m not the only one.

To a degree, yes. 

 


That's a bit condescending don't you think?  Maybe the songs you mentioned above have different meanings to different listeners and no meaning whatsoever to others.  Taste is hardly an exact science, brilliance for some is drivel to another.   

Alright, and it is my OPINION that at least the songs you mentioned sound different from each other, whereas many of the songs on Contraband have this muddy 'what-track-number-are-we-on-right-now' feel to them... especially the first 5 songs. 

While I enjoy CB, I cannot commend it on the uniqueness of each song.  Maybe you dont care about it, but I like to get my money's worth for 12 individual songs.


Sure, but this is a GNR board after all.  :P   It's not AFD's fault that you got tired of it after listening to it so many times.  It's not AFD's fault that it sold like 15 million copies in the US and therefore deserves to be on a pedestal even if you get sick of it.


So you're saying parts of AFD sound dated.  Fine.  But STP's Core sounds dated now, and so will CB.  Is anyone going to care that Dirty Little Thing was about Paris Hilton when she's old and her boobs are sagging?  And Contraband "reeks" of late-90s/millenial production & mixing.   

Let's reserve "uber-gay" as a description of heroin addictions, silver pants, and wearing cop hats even though the 80's glam era is way over.  Throw in jamaican-style braids in there as well.


Contraband is pretty good.  Their next effort should be better since they will have gelled more.

This is hysterical.  I can see most of everyone's points here after my previous post, even if I don't agree with them, but this is brilliant.  :rofl:

"Breakdown! ...  Let me here you now."

It must take some "advanced" music listener to understand those lyrics.  Are you for real?

"Everything was roses while we held onto the guns."

Astonishing oomplex.  :nervous:  I am not smart enough to get what he meaning here ... what could he be saying?  Please dude.

AFD is good, but it isn't even GNR's best album.

-TyRod-

 ???

I just cant see that...Whats similar about any of the first 5 tracks?  I understand that most of them are pretty fast, but thats about it.  "STB" sounds like "Big Machine"?  "DIFTK" sounds like "Illegal i Song"?  Again, cant see it.


I also find Tyrods opinion on AFD off-base.  If theres one album deserving of being put on a pedestal, its AFD.  And it certainly is GNRs best album.


Thats irrelevant...If her name was mentioned in the song, youd have a point, but as an inspiration for the lyrics, its no different than Erin Everly inspiring the lyrics for "SCOM".  Nobody would call that song dated because its about Axls ex-wife...

Youre talking about two different concepts - sound and content.  I dont find either records to be dated in either department.


 ???

Care to elaborate?  Its relatively light on actual production (effects and such).? ?

UYI2 is GN'R best album : ok:

what's their best album is a matter of taste, don't bitch about that please... but i can tell you that if a record of 12 simple songs blows me away so i listen to that record and only that record for 5 and a half months in a row, non stop, and im still not sick of it, that's a damn good record imo!


breakdown and locomotive are two great songs with great lyrics, but another thing they have in common is that the chorus is just  :nervous:
but still their lyrics top 90% of non-GnR lyrics out there... but if you prefer Brintey Spears that's your right  :hihi:

and you quoted a piece of breakdown, about the roses and the guns thingy...? i had those lyrics (not just that line) on one of my school books and i had more than one person asking me wth that meant... so yeah for you it may be nothing, but lots of people out there REALLY don't see the meaning of those lyrics :no:

Lol - u completely misread what i wrote

Where did i say the lyrics are difficult to understand? ???

I said only the more advanced music listeners will get anything from those songs because they are not just a few solo's and a chorus - they have depth, they ain't 'radio friendly'.

Also i have spent this whole thread saying that lyrics that are gibberish ain't the sign of a good lyricist.....

Ps. Breakdown isn't on AFD.......

Perhaps it is a bit condescending - but i think its also the truth, must rock fans won't get anthing from that because they're just after something far more basic

Taste certainly isn't an exact science but i think we can both agree these songs are technically superb regardless of whether or not we enjoy them

Why does it happen again and again that every topic goes to a really weird direction? What the hell the boring Breakdown has got to do with the next VR album? I can't understand.

"Funny how everything was Roses when we held onto the Guns, Just because your winnin' don't mean your the lucy ones."

I had that quote in my high school year-book. The first part refers to the fact that every in-group was hositle to one another, when there was no reason to be as we were all just in highschool. The second part, about winning, reffers to the fact that even if you are a gym hero, or a jock, or on the honnor roll now, and I am not, maybe in the future you'll be doing as poorly as me.

Contraband is no where near as good as the illusion albums

ranting: Do you know how many tries it took to do this?!  I had to log in & out 3 times!!   anyway...


I think these two are related so I'll answer them together.   I feel the production turned these 5 songs into a big pudding.  Which is a shame because if I listen closely, I can hear the differences in the songs, but since nothing is allowed to stand out or shine through, I dont have anything to hook onto.   This may be my fault because I dont have a musician's ear. 

The first song I began to like after several listens of the album was DIFTK.... which many of you express distaste for, probably for the same reasons that I like it.  I could distinguish parts of the song from each other: the vocal melody contrasted the heavier guitar riff, and well, the lyrics made sense to me, and I always use that as markers in a song.

It's not so much the intensity of the production (heavy vs. light, i.e. Pet Sounds vs. Exile on Main Street), but the style that bothers me.  A lot of times I find it difficult to make out what Scott is saying because the vocals are not bumped up in the mixing. 

Moreover, I think we all agree that Slash is, for the most part, essentially muted on this album   :-\ >:(   I'm very happy that he is receiving well-deserved attention from radio, but I feel it came at a price.

Arent you curious about the so-called 'lush' production version by Bob Ezrin?  Maybe it wasnt filled with background white noise that seems to infiltrate this version of the production. Maybe they should have released it as a double album with 2 production versions.  :hihi:


yes, you're right about the 2 different concepts.  But I think both records are dated in the sound dept.  Unlike Tyrod, I do not mean this as a criticism of either album (he used the word "reek" which is obviously meant to diss the record, so I used it back at him).   I dont think there is anything wrong in sounding dated - a great album is usually a snapshot of the time and culture in which it was created (that was plagiarism btw).   

AFD, while it appeals to many people of all ages and types, has an unabashed Sunset Strip feel to it - you can be transported back to that era when you listen.   As for Contraband - do you agree that it is a 'modern' sounding record?  (It must be, since it's being played on KROQ...).   It is only reasonable to assume that music will change drastically over the next decade, just as it did in the 90's, and thus CB will sound dated 15 years from now, just as AFD does to us now.   I dont find this a flaw of the album, it just speaks of the nature of music.  It's silly to say that CB is better than AFD b/c AFD reeks of 80's - there are better methods of comparison!

Dump Scott and get a better singer. Seriously, as long as they have that guy, everything will sound like a boring Pearl Jam b-side.

Scott Weiland has not made any music that sounds anything like Pearl Jam since 1992.

I'll take any VR song over Anything Goes and You're Crazy

but I can't deny the incredible effect AFD had on me. I will likely never experience anything like it again.

There isn't one bad song on Contraband. The only thing it lacks is a Jungle, Sweet Child, Paradise type anthem.  Slither kinda is but thats just one.

Contraband was a very good debut from a flat-out awesome hard rock band. There next effort will be even better.

Yeah I agree on that(underlined part), I feel STB could be a WTTG/Its So Easy type of song if it got released as a single.

I've wanted to bring this up for a while now, but when Axl says, during Double Talkin' Jive, "you dig, what i'm saying, home fuck", i cringe every single time. the song fucking rules, but "home fuck"???!!! is he kidding? not only is that soooo dated, but i don't even really think "home fuck" was ever something people said or that caught on. but its very very lame and kills the song for me. also, the part on Get In The Ring (which i also love love love) where the announcer voice says "and weighing in at 850 pounds, Guns N Roses!"  ::)

that's all i wanted to say about that.  ;D

Contraband fucking gets better everytime I listen to it. Saying that, I can't say whether the next album will get better. I hear something different everytime I listen to this one.

As much as I love Guns N Roses, Axl's lyrics are not very deep and meaningful. Not saying that they aren't good. Sweet Child O Mine, Awesome Awesome song, the lyrics are cheesy but they work.

I love the lyrics on Contrabnd. Seriously, I think they are the fucking great!!!!!!! If you think they aren't meaningful you are not listening or just don't want them to be good because Scott pours his fucking soul out on Contraband. I like music from the heart.

If they drop anyone, I think it should be Matt. But that will never happen.

I'll add Out Ta Get Me, Think About You & My Michelle to that......regardless of anything somebody who just heard Van Halen for the first time thinks.




Exactly how I feel.? I may like a cd better in the future....but I too doubt a record wiil ever have the same affect on me as AFD had.? I felt content chilling out in my room listening to AFD repeatedly instead of causing havoc & mayhem on the streets as a 17 year old bad-attitude trouble-maker.




Agreed.

I agree there arent any outright bad songs on the album, but the only excellent song in my mind is You Got No Right. 


Truthfully, I've never seen any older musicians make anthemic songs in their later careers.  Songs like that arise when you're young and you dont give a fuck.   If you could give me an example of an anthemic song made by musicians in their 40's (and it must be generally agreed upon that it sounds anthem-like to a large chunk of people) - I'd much appreciate it.

You are right, it's really rare for a 40+ star to write an anthem, but...
The show must go on of Queen, maybe Livin' on the edge/Cryin' of Aerosmith, It's my life of Bon Jovi, Hey Stoopid/Poison/Bed of Nails of Alice Cooper. But don't forget, Slash is only 39 years old.  ;)

Lol

U crack me up

''I'm a GNR fan - i just don't like Axl or any of their songs''

U crazy sod - i'd love to argue a bit more with u, but a 30 year old who logs into a GNR site damn near EVERYDAY and yet doesn't like their songs just seems like a BAD choice to try and argue with :hihi:

Ur crazier than DRUNK

By the way i'm a massive Beatles fan - I just don't like their music ::)

If i remember correctly u have stated in the past u hope C.D goes back to AFD esque rockers.....yet u don't like the songs off AFD? :rofl: Rock on mate : ok:

A fan doesn't have to like all songs of his/her band, although I don't think that every song on Contraband beats 5/12 songs of AFD. IMO the worst song on Contraband is not worse than Think About You or Anything Goes - but the best ones are worse than WTTJ, Paradise City or Rocket Queen. AFD is one of my favourites album of all time, but I can't say it's my favourite one 'cause it depends on my mood. And to tell the truth with each year I like UYI 2 less, I listened through the album from Civil War to My World maybe 3 times this year, 'cause I almost always skip Yesterdays, KOHD, Get in the ring, So Fine and Don't Cry alt. Some of the songs lose their charm with listening tem over 1000 times, well, some of them are rediscovered or their charm recognized only years later. Anyway, there are GN'R songs I don't really like and 2 GN'R songs I absolutely hate (Can't Put..., Silkworms).

Very true - but claiming 5/12 songs on AFD are rubbish is perhaps going a bit far don't u think

U have to bear in mind the people sying these things also profess to not liking Use Your Illusion 1 or 2

If they don't like 40% of AFD and very little of UYI 1 or 2....then....well, what are they a fan of?

More to the point if they don't like the band...why are they here?

Of course 5/12 songs of AFD is not rubbish. The album maybe has 2 fillers and 2-3 average songs, but the rest is pure genius so the whole album is 10/10. But I can understand that K-Rock or others criticize GN'R songs and albums 'cause he's into GN'R since maybe 1987, and he got used to the songs too much. I'm a fan since '89 and I like the band (I talk about the '87-'96 era) on a quite different way I used to. I was a real HC fan, I thought they are gods, their works are worth to remember, they tell us/me the meaning of life... Later I only listened them 3-4 hours a day, but now... I don't listen GN'R even every week, I don't buy the magazines they're in to collect, I see their weaknesses and limitations as a musician and a human being, but GN'R '87-'93 is still my favourite band. But let's see what K-Rock feels about it.

You are wrong.  Most of the people saying that 5/12 of AFD is not great think that the UYIs albums are better.  I personally think that the UYI albums are alot better than AFD.  And I will say again that 5 out of the 12 song on AFD are not very good.  As a matter of fact, they are not as good as the worst song on CB.  I agree with the poster that said that while that is true, there are no song on CB that are as good as WTTJ, SCOM and PC. 

Izzy, we are here because we love GNR.  Not because we think they can do no wrong or because we think Axl is god.  Try to get a handle on that.  We are eagerly awaiting to hear Axl's opus, which is exactly what CD has to be ... his finest body of work.  Hell I could write a kickass R&R album given 10 years.   :hihi:

Izzy, if you think Anything Goes and Think About You are better than the songs on CB, then fine.  That is your opinion.  IMO, those songs suck ass.

-TyRod-

I happen to like GNR and realise virtually every song is a real accomplishment - some are better than others but there is just one song of their's i dislike. Fair enough u profess ur love for the band, its just when someone claims to dislike 40% of the band efforts i have to wonder, thats a pretty big chunk of their songs......

Contraband is a good rock album. I really like all (but one) songs on Contraband, but GNR are vastly superior - thats not a shot at VR that's a realisation that GNR are much much better. That doesn't stop me enjoying VR though.

Anyway, how come every thread in the VR section is also about GNR?

One more time......you seem a little slow and not one for reading what's put in front of you.

So I separated each sentence so that you could hopefully stay with me.? Are you ready?? Take your time.......so that you can comprehend each sentence.

I like every song on AFD.?

Period.?

I "prefer".....look up the word "pre-fer"....all 13 songs of Contraband over 5 of the songs on AFD.?

Therefore, I find 7 of the songs on......you with me still..........AFD better than anything on Contraband.?

If you add up all the songs on Contraband & AFD.....that makes 25 songs........that I like.

I like most of the songs on UYI I & II.

So, because AFD, UYI I & II are not my top 3 albums of all time.......I'm not a GNR fan???

Or, if I "prefer" Velvet Revolver live over the many GNR concerts I've seen.......I'm bashing GNR??

Perhaps you like to twist one's words just for the sake of antagonizing.

And yes, Mrs. Axl..........I would love for CD to be closer to AFD than UYI.

Fuck me, the whole world these days seems to think Guns N' Roses is a joke you come on a GN'R board and what happens a bunch of people bash the band.? Firstly Izzy i agree with your music tastes and what you are saying about Appetite compared to Contraband i also think the flaws you bring up are right to the point and anyone comparing Contraband to it or saying it tops the UYI's is crazy but fact is everyone has an opinion music is down to taste some like the simple some the complex some the catchy pop some the heavy rock.? Fact is if you are passionate about something you will defend it to the ends of the earth.? I mean ive met people who think Guns N' Roses suck.? People who think the Spice Girls rule.? Their is no arguing with them so put simply i back your views i believe GN'R are very complex at times.? I also remember hearing someone once say [ive mentioned this before btw] that songs are written from their own experiences and have meaning to them but if fans can get some other meaning out of the song that's fine.? Now Weiland writes songs from the point of view of a junkie and a lot of his meaning in his lyrics won't mean shit but hell you can interpret them anyway you want that's what i always have done with Axl's and i get more out of those but it seems some getting more out of Weiland's.? Put simply whatever your opinion is fine but people with a different one may tend to think yours sucks

P.S.? Why Don't You Just FUCK OFF uber gay??? when did this turn into an Avril Lavigne board?

 :rofl:

The day she became more badass than Axl.  What was that ... like 7 years ago now??   :hihi:

You have to admit that line is pretty fucking bad.  I mean there are some bad lyrics in the world, but "Why don't you just ... FUCK OFF!" is probably the least imaginative lyric I've ever heard.  "Somebody raped my tapeworm abortion" looks like Shakespere next to that.   :rofl:


To each their own.  I, unlike my friend K-Rock, am hoping for some UYI style tunes on CD as well as songs that sound like some of the btter AFD songs.  Based on what we have heard, I think it will sound closer to UYI than AFD.

-TyRod-

Just read this whole thread.....

I see you sittin on that computer chair...you think your so cool.....why dont u just fuk offffffffffff

Actually Home Fuck was just added live, and isnt on the album

^^^ either way, it's embarassing.

Errr....No i don't you could say Avril Lavigne sucked but i would not have to agree.....i bet she does though :hihi:
As for that line being bad i disagree i feel it represented the band and their attitude of their time telling everyone else to fuck off hell it may of been directed at Poison [who i have no problem] with telling them where to go, especially since the likes of Axl & Co. killed those really 'cool' hair bands.  As for Shakespeare hell you could examine so many lines i mean it's merely one line don't get me started examining Contraband line for line....

Anyway back on topic i hope the second album is better maybe it was how they said Contraband would shake up the music industry or at least that's what they wanted to do hype like that left me feeling let down to an extent yes i like the album but it's just another rock album in my collection in years to come it has no especially great factors that will make me think shit that was a great album im gonna stick it on wheareas certain other albums which i won't mention [to avoid more arguments about AFD v Contraband] do have these factors :yes:

Well dip me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians..........


Dear TyRod,

THANK YOU!? It is refreshing to see somebody disagree with me without having to:

a) Insult me
b) Insinuate that your opinion means me more than mine
c) Incorrectly quote me
d) Remind me of jmv-cure (aka, The Great One: the often banned antagonist)

Sincerely,
K-Rock

OK, quick fly by weigh in:

AFD fucking rules.

Contraband fucking rules (especially after the first 5 tracks).

Both albums have EXACTLY 5 tracks that I consider weaker than the rest of the respective material on the albums...Contraband just happens to jam them into the first 5, AFD spreads them out.  Notice I said "weaker than the rest", not weak.  I'd still rather listen to any of those 10 songs (5 on CB, 5 on AFD) than 95% of the shit on the radio.

Comparing two albums based on differing opinions is assinine.  It's just going to lead to arguing, hard feelings, and pointless droning.  Nobody is going to change anyones mind.  Live and let die, and all that...

If you REALLY want to get into a pissing contest, look at sales figures.  They're more concrete than opinions, but about as valuable.  :hihi:

EVERY song on Contraband is better than GnR's worst Track.  Contraband > My World.  Period.  End of argument. :)  It is the one and only GnR "song" (term used loosely) that I refuse to listen to.

You're welcome.   : ok:

As you surely know K-Rock, some of the more ridiculous posters here wear their prejudice on their sleeves and it makes them look rather ignorant at times.  Some of these people are so blinded by their allegiance to Axl that they lose their perspective.  I get a kick out of coming on here and seeing someone like younggunner post a negative review of VR.  It actually made me laugh out loud.  When CD hits in 2005 (let's face it, a November 2004 release date ain't happening), there will be 20 negative reviews to every good one.  There is no denying that.  It will happen whether the album is great or bad just because it took so long to finish and because Axl makes himself an easy target.  Will people like younggunner, dave and Izzy post those negative reviews in the GNR section?  I don't think so.   They will just dismiss those negative reviews as people who have an agenda against Axl.  It is inevitable.  IMO it becomes a matter of intellectual integrity.  And, sadly, that is lacking with some of the more fan-boyish posters here.  The sad part is that some of the worse offenders are also some of the people with the most posts here. :(


-TyRod-

If I came across a positive review, I would have posted it...and if I did would you be saying the same thing?

Why do people post negative gnr articles?
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It depends. If the review is about Axls braids...I disregard it, if its about the actual music then I accept it. And I wont go to great lengths to disregard a journalist. WHo gives a fuck. Its a review. If I and my fellow die hard fans on this board like it, thats all I care about.

Nope I'll leave that job for the people who come to a GNr board and want to see this band fail.


Lets disect the culture we have here at the board:
During the 2002 tour, the majority of the reviews were about Axl and his braids, and the band because theres no slash. Very rarely were there reviews about the actual show. All articles about GNr are usually negative.

Now.,....when a fan of the new band such as myself attempts to defend a ridiculous article, he gets pounced on by the "objective" peopel that lurk here. Usually get labeled a nutswinger, someone who cant accept the fact that newgnr will never be accepted, etc.
 Now keep in mind this took place day in and day out for years.
When I came to this board, I came to support the new band. Not settle old scores or be objective. Im a fan of a rock band.
There are bands out there that I hate, but some of their songs are good.. DO I go to their fan sites and try to bring objectivity to that site? Hell no. WHo cares. If you like a band you like a band.

Im not saying you cant critisize gnr. BUt at the same time when I point out things baout VR its only because the "objective" peopel around here pointed out the most stupidist shit years ago. Everything the new band did was under microscope. And thats totally fine.
 Now it seems normal to me to post a negative article about Vr because we have to be objective around here dont we?

Im sorry VR or SLash doesnt inspire me like Axl and the new band do. I cant help or control that. Im sorry I dont look at SLash as a victim. Im sorry I dont get wrapped up in the bullshit rumors and delays.

CB was a descent effort. But for god sakes I stopped listening to it after like 2 weeks. HAvnt touched it since. To me its boring. The only 2 songs that I truly rock out to are slither and YGNR.

When its all said and done, I know that fucked up band known as GNr will produce. I know they have invested everything they have musically into it. And as a fan thats all I can ask for.

Lol, read my review of Contraband

I gave it 8/10 - this is what i wrote

Damn this album

Each time i listen to it it seems to get so much better

When i first heard it i would have given it a 6/10, now its an 8/10

Scott's not great and the production still seems wrong but its a good album overal - we're not talking a masterpiece by any means but its a good slice of rock n' roll to tide us over until Chinese Democracy

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=12819.160

Looks negative to me :hihi:

If i am so blinded in my allegiance to Axl why do i write so highly of Contraband and the band in general?

I like all but one song off the album but simply believe the production is a bit off and the lyrics are...well.......they work with the song but they are gibberish :-\

I don't see any 'average songs' on either AFD or Contraband...just the one horrifically bad one - the rest are top notch

Now about me being blinded by my loyalty to Axl?

Read ur posts and then mine - ur the one that believes there are a series of average songs off Contraband, i think its all great - lol, i seem to like the album more than u yet i'm the Axl fanatic :hihi:

Great.  So you want to see VR fail.  : ok:

Yes, so much so I bought the album the day it came out and payed 80 bucks to go see them. I figure if I give them money they will fail.

I came across the article and I posted it. SImple as that. I wasnt on any hunt to find a negative review. It was there so I posted it. If it was positive I would have posted it as well.

U bastard! What a diabolical plan! :hihi:

Contraband doesn't even deserve to be in AFD's shadow and i'd get more enjoyment listening to Estranged than the whole of CB.

No one will remember CB in 10 years time because its just another rock album, and to compare it to one of the greatest hard rock records of all time is ludicrous. People are saying these ridiculous things to paint VR in a better light, i don't know why they feel the need to do this but its becoming rather silly.

dude it's rather simple...most normal human beings grow out of phases. The impact GN'R has had on our lives will never be repeated by another band but at this present time it's refreshing to hear good new material from the gunners.

AT THIS PRESENT TIME

1. You posted a very negative article on Contraband.
2. You said you won't post negative reviews on Axl's record, because its those people's job who come to a GN'R board to see the band fail.
3. You seem to be doing the job posting negative articles on Contraband, so according to your logic you wanna see VR fail.

Nuff said. The day you'll post a negative article on Chinese Democracy (well, I don't know if soon is the word) and a good one on Contraband, I'll believe what you wrote.

Yes, as soon as a negative article is out, the great peopel we have at the boards make it their duty to post it. Afterall we need objectivity here at the boards. So why should I even bother?

I could careless either way. If they do well, great good for them, if they fail, better luck next time. If they produce something that appeals to me, I wouldnt hate on it just becuase its VR. I was listening to StP long before gnr. I ave no agenda towards Weiland. BUt imo, overall it didnt work with the new guys. Scott is at his best with STp. and Slash is at his best with gnr.
I agree  : ok:

For those of you who like Contraband: Good for you, it's good that you enjoy it.
For those of you who think Contraband > AFD: www.youhavebadtasteinmusic.com