Here Today... Gone To Hell!

what will all you believers do if cd is a huge flop.  you guys talk as if its a guarantee that it will be a massive success.  any person who thinks intelligentley enough and knows that there is no guarantee in life will agree with me that there is a possibility(a huge one) that cd will not be what you say it will be.

i just want to know what all you believers will do if your foots are all in your mouth ready to come out your ass.

notice how i say "if".  i personally know it will not be a huge success up to the standards you people say it will be, but im not god so i cant predict the future.  on the same side, im not going around saying what will happen like the rest of you, so i want to know what you guys will say when you all look like retards when the album doesnt do half of what you think it will ;)

GET IN THE RING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whats with the negativity?

To many of us, it doesn't matter as long as axl sounds good

Part of me wants it to be a flop. Today's music fucking sucks. All of it. It's not going to be a disappointment in my eyes unless all it features is Brain farting on a snare drum.

Of the new Gn'R songs I've heard, I love Oh My God, Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy, and Rhyiad and the Bedoiuns (sp?)   I really like a lot of Silk Worms, but the song just doesn't gel as a whole for me.

So, it may be a flop, I dunno.... but everything I've heard so far leads me to believe and expect otherwise.

WHats a flop? Do you mean if it doesnt do well commercially and its not successful? Is a flop the record sux but the masses liek it?

Whats a flop?

To me I look at it like this. Given the musical climate today, Im not expecting this band to take over the world like old GNr did.

What I am expecting is an album that is unique and simply rocks. I have been listening to the new songs for 4 yrs now. Day in and day out. All of them. And I love them all.

ANd if the material is good I am expecting them to be the best rock band. Meaning owning the charts, the countdowns, etc. Stuff like that. Its silly to think that they will cross over into other genres. So I am expecting them to be the leaders of the rock world.

Most of all, I am just want an album that the hardcore fans enjoy. The people who have waited and supported the new band over the yrs. If they like it then thats a success.

Musically theres no doubt in my mind that the band has made a special album. But in terms of things the band cant control...time will tell on that....
As a fan, all I could ask is for there complete maximum effort...and as a fan of this band...I know that the effort and intentions of making the best possible album they can make is there...and for that im very grateful...


But what I really wnat to know is what if CD is an absolute musical masterpiece. It has everything from guitars to piano. What if its better than old gnr material. Then what?
It doesnt matter though becuase no matter how good CD is the haters will always bring shit up. COwbell here, profanity in a song there, too advanced for my liking, this is what we've waited for here?...stuff like that....so no matter what, to the haters, new gnr will never be given praise. But thats ok, as long as Im rocking out to CD then I could careless.....

At this point, it's physically impossible for the album to flop.

::)

What's with people coming on here and trying to start a fight between us real GN'R fans?You notice most of the time the people that post this shit is always thinking that they know everything.

Anyways,I'll just fucking ignore the stupid question because I have better things to do than argue about if cd will be huge or not,I really don't care as long as it has Axl singing on it.

I know that I liek "The Blues", "Madagascar" and "Chinese Democracy", so if the other songs are on that same standard, I know it'll be a decent, if not, great album. But, all and all, it's just rock n' roll.

It wont flop as a cd itself nor do I think it will

As long as Axl is singing on the tracks, and the vast majority of the songs are not industrial/electronic or whatever the hell Axl wanted to get into previously, I'm sure I'll enjoy it. Songs like Estranged and November Rain, so-called Axl ego trips, are among my favorite GNR songs ever. If Axl can produce a few more gems like those, and I know he can, I'll be very happy.

I expect it to retain the GNR sound for the most part, yet be a moderate departure from the bands' previous material just like the Illusions were compared to Appetite. If this is the case, then the album will be a success in my mind at least.

I think the new songs sound like GNR but just updated. CD will do just fine. I don't expect any more OMG type songs. Unless they include Silkworms of course.

you mean since it's not coming out?

When you use phrases like "if your foots are all in your mouth ready to come out your ass" and "when you all look like retards when the album doesnt do half of what you think it will" you're definitely looking for trouble. So next time you'll start a thread, watch what you're sayin.

i'll do what i do whenever i'm wrong about anything else.. shrug it off and get on w/ my life.. its not like i have my life on hold for CD..  ::)

Oh shut up you negative little person! Why even bother with a post like that?

Me again! My previous post was aimed at (music for life's) childish post not the post previous to mine from estranged 063087. I just wanted to clear that up!

What if it's gangster rap?

The only thing that matters if i like it. If i love it and it only sells 1-2 million, i ll still be listening to the album.

I don't think it wil be a big commercial succes.

In the 80's and early 90's they sold alot of records just on being GNR. The hype sold alot of albums for them. Now it won't because it's been too long. These days the kids aren't into rock as much as back then. And no way some 43 year old guy is gonna drag them back.

Just as I was never interested in the Stones when I was young, the kids now won't be interested. I think only the people who already know them will be interested. And from them a whole lot is not gonna buy it because "GNR isn't GNR anymore" (No Slash, Duff, Izzy etc.)

Unless there is a huge hit on it. And I don't  know if it will contain one. I hope so. But from the 4 songs we've heard untill now I don't hear one. I do know for sure that it will NEVER get as big as it used to be.

I think it's time for a new GNR, with new kids that write music that kicks the shit out of you. With a new Axl, Duff, Izzy and Slash. And we'll just enjoy what GNR/VR releases. Not caring whether it's a hit or not.

I could care less how it sells.  The best music out today are by the bands who hardly sell any records.  Listen to the landscape of music out today.  Nothing but little pretty-boys with minimal talent wasting valuable air-space.  And tone-deaf kids that like one-hit wonders like Frans-Ferdinand.  It's Fuckin 1981 all over again.  Quit being so fuckin cynical and enjoy the music not if GNR will sell.  They will make their money.  And we'll get what we want, REAL MUSIC

Fuck it it doesnt even go gold it doesnt mean its a flop. JUst because something sells good doesnt make it great music. Avril Lavinge sells millions, but do you consider her music, great rock or even good rock? From what Axl has done from AFD to TSI I have found alot of what I like. Some of my all time favorite songs are GNR. What I have heard from the next GnR sounds pretty good too. I love Axl's voice. If I can hear him rip through the 5 new songs alone I will be happy, so put your own foot in your mouth.

I'm being serious here. Define "flop"?  Commercial?  Critical?  According to who, exactly?

I think this is the major problem with gnr fans. You have to realizethat although Axl and the new band greatly appreciate the old fans they are not soley banking on them for the new era of gnr.

Why are kids or people in general who are not wrapped up in the gnr situation automatically going to dismiss the new band and its material because of what old gnr did. What if the new music appeals to them? What if the videos and image of the new band and music appeal to them?

Take me for instance. I am 19. I got into GNR because of the old material but since learning about the new band I have become a much bigger fan of the new lineup. ANd thats not disrespecting the old lineup. ITs just that this new band is "my band".

Why cant it be the same for anyone else. When the singles and videos are released why cant kids/people say dam this band rocks. Then they buy the album and become a big fan of the band, gnr, as it is today. Why cant that kid or person fall in love with RObin or Bucket or whoever and say hes my guitar hero. Etc.

My point is that yes GNR already have a significant history in music history but that doesnt mean a whole new group of people cannot appreciate and love this band as their band.
GNr are going to market to everyone, not just old fans. Lets not be that ignorant.

Well GN'R already have a huge fan base and a lot of young people are getting in to GN'R these days and look at the sales of the Greatest Hits I know its old guns but it proves that the name Guns N' Roses can sell a lot of records thats why it will be a success mother fucker.

^^^my topic was geared toward people just like him.  you say it is for sure going to be a big commercial success.  you dont know this for sure, so i want to know what you will say to all of us who live in reality and realize that nothing is a guarantee in life and that axls album may not be that big.  

so if it isnt how will you talk and brag about the new gnr?  

this topic isnt about if you think its going to be big or not or why you think so.  its meant for the people that "know for a fact" its going to be a huge success.

The point I was trying to get across was the name Guns N' Roses still sells I didn't mention it would be a huge success now did I, I will think it will get number one on the album chart I didn't say it would be a huge success but I can see it selling well thats all.

i agree with you to some extent but in my experience, the younger audience might just look at the new gnr and say "its just another old band w/ a new video.. like aerosmith"

when i was at my cousin's house, his friends came over and we were watching tv and slither came on.. sure slither went to #1 on its debut week but that's mostly because of gnr and stp fans.. not so much velvet revolver fans.. when i told my cousin and his friends (who are 15, only 2 years younger than me) that i love this band and asked them what they think, they tell me that its creepy.. image is more important to them than the music.. and lets face it, robin finck playing the guitar in his crab position, with his skin painted silver and middle of his head shaved off is not very pretty to look at..

but as i said, this is how i see it from my experiences with my younger cousin and his friends.. we'll find out what's what when the album actually comes out..  :peace:

The difference is that its not an old band. Its a band with a completely different image and probably going to be a different sound. A more modern sound. The members in GNR are really not that well known to the mainstream. So the public really cant associate them with any type of old band or movement.

IMO the music is what will make or break this band in terms of new fans. If its modern and good I dont see why peopel wont like it for what it is.

its gonna have the title "Guns n Roses" to it and once everyone hears that name they'll think "80's music" and to a lot of these kids today, Nirvana is "old school" so to them, GnR's ancient..

and yeah.. i guess you're right about if they sound good people will like em.. and there's a shit load of what ifs and buts which wont be answered until CD comes out so til then..  :peace:

I know they aren't. Otherwise he would have kept Slash, Duff and Izzy in GNR. My point is that eventhough the music will be great, the kids cannot relate to a 43 year old guy. And that's why GNR was HUGE the first time. The people/kids could relate to it. And see Axl as a hero who came to tell the truth.


I'm not talking about the kids here. I'm talking about people who were there from 87 'till 93. Those are the people who are gonna say; "that ain't GNR" (and I'm not talking about the hardcore fans, just the majority of the people). Because that are the people who bought the millions of albums.  


It's nice for you that the new band is your GNR. But you are just one of the few. Most people will never see the new GNR as the real GNR. Because the new GNR didn't write SCOM, PC, Patience, WTTJ, etc. And those are the songs that reflect the memories of their teens and twenties. Don't you remember the VMA's anymore. Everybody saw it as a joke. They all said that that wasn't GNR. And since you are 19 you weren't there the first time. So to you that's just history, and that's why you relate to the new band more. But the new band won't be that appealing to the kids as much as the old band did. Because they are wealthy guys with lots of money writing about stuff most kids didn't deal with yet.


Ofcourse that could happen. And I hope for them that it will happen. But it won't happen for me. Although I'm only 25 I was there the first time. And there was this vibe that caught me, and never let me go. But it was the sound (and image) that Slash, Duff, Axl, Izzy created. And for the most GNR fans it works that way.

So if they don't try to relate to them (the old GNR fans), and they aren't gonna relate to the kids, then who are they gonna relate to? Yeah, to people like you, but you're just one in a million. See what I mean. Although I hope it will be HUGE. And everybody will love it, and chant "fuck Slash" at the concerts, I just don't see it happen. It's just way too fuckin' complicated and difficult.

And it could have been a bit easier. If he had gone solo, and ditched the name GNR. Things would have been totally different.


I'm not being ignorant. I'm just trying to be realistic. And to me the new band isn't appealing. A dork with a bucket on his head? A guy with make up on and who has shaved only parts of his head? And  I don't even know what the rest looks like. And no image don't mean that much to me but it was also the image GNR had that made them huge in the first place.

Just be realistic man. Look at the history of music and learn from it. They had their chance and didn't take it. Waited too long. I think "the moment's gone".....

But I do still think they can come up with great music. It just won't be that huge.

As long as Anarchy likes it, nothing else matters.

My thoughts exactly - and OMG, Blues, Maddy and CD are (for my money) possible the best GNR tunes ever

GNR are about to reach their peak

Im not saying GNR will be that huge again. They wont. Not because its not old gnr but because its a completely different musical landscape and business.

You have no facts to back that up. Yes, there will be some who say "even though its good/bad its not old gnr, i dont liek it". BUt there will also be many more people who say "wow this kicks ass".

The majority of the group who were around when GNR were huge have not followed GNR like we have. We are the hardcore fans. The others are casual fans. Some will dismiss some will not.

For now ;)
Thats fine and dandy. BUt who said this band is trying to take the place of old gnr and its history? Its pretty obivious that when things get going GNR, the band as it is today, will be working for their own piece of history. When did any of the members say they are trying to be like the old?

You can keep talking baout the fans and hwo they releated to old gnr all you want. FAct is if the music is great they are going to listen. Its fukin music not real issues. People havnt had thousands of message board arguments debating old/new gnr.

They are right, that wasnt old gnr. It was new GNR..whats so hard to understand about that?

As I said, the new lineup will not have the same impact as the old lineup in terms of popularity and just taking over the whole world. But they definately can take over the rock world and build their own fanbase.

Can you please show us the lyrics to all the new gnr songs? We are dying to see them....

NO, not for most...for some old gnr fans it works that way. ANd lets remember that you and your old friends do not make up all of the land. Theres plenty of peopel out there who are followers of other members in the band.
Not really. Peopel would still get on him for the delays, people would still get on him for having a bunch of "freaks" as a band, people would still compare the album and members to old gnr. Gnr hasnt ended, so why should Axl ditch the name? Who said we have to forget the past and what they did? WHy cant the new band simply be a new chapter of the gnr legacy?

Why cant people say in 25 yrs say dam GNr had 2 great periods of making music?

To me it is....

Not only does this band have a unique image they have great ability. Thats why its special.

Yes, image is very important. Just because you are used to old gnrs look doesnt mean thats the only look in the world.

And your wrong. The image didnt make old gnr huge in the first place. The music did. The only reason why their look was accepted was because of their great music. I hate to break it to ya but old gnr were also initially looked upon as freaks and degenrates or whatver. WHat made them legit, accepted and "cool" was the music.

And guess what....what will make new gnr legit, accepted, and cool is thier music....Its not so hard afterall...


And thats what we are all expecting  ;)

Great music will take care of itself......and I know this band has made it.

GNR=big sells=money
many people said:"uhhh,gnr is one comercial band,afd was ok,but after that gnr were sold"
but after afd gnr became a big band,and one of the biggest bands for all time

For me commercial success means nothing. I'll probably love the album no matter what. : ok:

Totally true. I agree with you on that for 100%


I really hope so.


You don't get my point. I'm not sayin that they want to do that. What I mean is that with the memory the old GNR comes to mind. Not the new. And if they don't wanna replace the old then don't play the tunes. Because when they play the old, it just doesn't fit for me. And I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way. And I don't have anything against the new guys.


I hope so. But I don't think it's just that easy.


Why is it so hard for you to understand that people also related to the people playing the music. Why do you think it is SO much debated here?



Well you have heard the new ones, haven't you? I don't think it will be totally different from that.


No but you and your friends don't either. I think that you can find more people that would love to see the old line-up play together, then ppl who would like to see the new line-up.


You don't get the legacy GNR was I think. Or maybe you do and you don't see the magic. But look at it this way. What if John Lennon kept the name the Beatles and he replaced everybody, would it still be The Beatles? No, it wouldn't be because it misses the elements that mad ethe Beatles the Beatles.


Well, I haven't heard that special thing yet. All I heard was them covering GNR songs. Just like Adler's Appetite.


The music, in combination with thei image. They stood for something, and that something is called Rock&Roll. They were 5 guys striggeling to get by. And that was apealing to alot of people. I don't see that (yet) in the new GNR.


How do you know? Were you there in the studio? How can you defend something that hasn't released shit. The old GNR at least prooved they were the shit.

They wont. Future GNR tours will no have a dominant old gnr setlist. Maybe a few sprinckled in but not many.

Yea as of right now thats the case because no1 knows anything about new gnr. There is no material to judge them on.

Rock n ROll doesnt have a set look or image. Its more of an attitude and philopshy than anything else. WHat makes a bands look cool and rock n roll is thier music. Case closed.

The songs we have heard are excellent and they arent even studio versions or the big guns. You can argue about the big guns all you want but fact is that there are songs that we havnt heard yet that the band feels very strongly about.

And when a guy named Axl Rose is fronting a band the hcances of it sounding good and kciking ass is very good. Hes a perfectionist. The members have changed but so what. They are capable of making thier own music. I know the vocals and lyrics will be the best we have heard from gnr. The only question is the sound of the band as a whole. And by the soudn of the new material and those clips of the promo...they have done a great job.

Its obivious the old members were at their best when Axl was with them. Now we will find out what holds tru for Axl. Is he nothing without the old members? Or has he not missed a beat with the new band? TIme will tell....and like I have been saying for 4 yrs now....I truly believe GNR will not dissapoint. And what I can say with 100% confidence is atleats one thing. TO me the most important thing....the fact that this band has given it everything they got into making the best possible material they can.....

I could give a shit ...honestly, I'd be content if the only people that bought it and were touched by it are those of us on the boards that have supported this band through every twist, turn, false start, and disaster in the last 13 years...This could be a watershed moment in the history of HTGTH...If it's a "masterpiece" of sorts, it'll be the first time ALL of us agree on anything.....that's success enough...

this albums the biggest hype in music history in my eyes, it will not flop.

alot of people are gonna be curious : ok:

you people just refuse to see the point of this thread.  besides this thread you should not be that blind to actually think of something like that as a guarantee.  i mean do you really see things in life as guarantees?  nothing is man, so just imagine how stupid(it will be beyond stupid)you guys will look if its not a hit.  its just very strange the way you guys think.

just tell me what will you say to people like me if the album isnt a big commercial success like the REAL GNR.

What did people say to you after the UYI and TSI? albums didn't sell as much as AFD?

The so called "REAL GN'R" only recorded one real album and one EP.

Are you one of those people who wish that the new band fails so you'll get people admitting they were wrong to you?



/jarmo

Ok, now we have established what kind of "fan" you are.





It's called expectation.

Some people expect a lot (the best GN'R album ever), others will be happy to hear something.

You don't seem to expect anything, you just want them to fail.



/jarmo

And you know that because:

a) You are in the band
b) You are Axl's new girlfriend
c) You are just one uber-hardcore fan who THINKS he knows what will happen

??


One makes you wonder how good they really are if they can't release an album within 10 years.


You are so right on that. Couldn't agree with you more.


They feel very strongly about it. But in this case words don't mean shit. It took me years to see the real beauty AFD is. They should just release it and with the shit that comes with it. Perfect doesn't exist so don't try to make it "perfect". JUst do your thing and role with that.



Well we'll just have to see about that. Because you are just like a religious fanatic. So blinded by the "greatness" of the person that you don't see the reality anymore. I'm mean, I do think Axl has the best voice I have ever heard, and he IS the greatest front man of our time. But we don't know anything about the new album. So I don't understand how you can defend it so energetic, while you haven't heard anything.

To me that's really difficult. And hey I'm not trying to diss you or diss Axl in any way. He has written one of the best songs EVER  called "Estranged" all by himself. I'm just tryin to be realistic here. And my opinion is that I'll have to hear it first before I can say " Yeah Axl did pull it off, and yeah to old line-up don't mean nothing compared to the new one". But from what I have heard, and that's the same as you have, I only liked the blues. And I liked it as much as I like Patience. Great song, but not their best.

And we could go on about this forever (or untill the album drops). You just have your opinion and I have mine. Let's just not forget we are here for the same reason. Chines fuckin Democracy. And though I LOVE the old line-up more then any band in the world, I'm am not that stupid to at least give the nuw line-up a chance. But just give me something to judge them on.

Did you hear me Axl????? Just release it, it will still be better then most of the shit we have these days.

Listen mate (music for life), you can hope all you want. Anyone who thinks this thing isn't gonna be commercially successful is fucking moron! Take a look at the facts:

Axl is one business smart mutherfucker. Guns N' Roses toured so much 91-93 because Axl wanted the Illusions to sell BIG. In fact he wanted to keep going untill they hit 35 million worldwide. He wants his records to sell well.

Axl is one determined mutherfucker. He has spent so long on this, and rebuilt this band, as he said, back into something that once was. He did the VMAs showing his clear intent to take this thing to the top of the tree.

Guns N' Roses still have millions of fans (as shown by GH sales). Although many of those fans may not be interested in the new GNR, many are, many won't even know of the changes and buy, and many will buy out of curiosity despite having their doubts.

They will undoubtedly gain more fans if the material is good, and promotion is good. Without a doubt promotion will be huge (why else lay out so much to make it), and so the only variable is the quality of the material.

Going on Axl's past record, I think it's safe for me to bet that the material will be good.  : ok:


I am so confident of it's success, I'll eat all of Gary's ladies shoes if I'm wrong.

@#$%Funker

 

Last tour was for them to get out of the studio and gel in a live setting. Axl also wanted to play the old songs for the most part one last time. If you think future gnr tours are going be old material dominant you arent using your noodle.

And that is what they are doing...

Thats fine. And like I have always said let the music do the talking...and I believe it will...

Im sorry Im a fan. Im sorry I believe in this band. Excuse me. Actually Im not sorry. Im not going to apologize because I support this band. I am a fan of one of the best bands in the world. They have much to prove but I believe they will prove everything wrong because of the things ive mentioned before. They have Axl and a very talented band. Thats my reasoning. They have given me a handful of excellent songs already. Thats my reasoning. They have put everything they have in making a very special album. The effort and passion is there. Thats my reasoning. This band will not dissapoint. You can think otherwise, but I dont feel that way. As they say, to each his own.

somebody admiting that something can fail is different than saying that it wont fail and that its impossible to fail.  wanting something to succeed is one thing, but to say its a guarantee is ridiculous.  they are the only ones that will look ridiculous.  i wont look ridiculous if they succeed because i dont go around saying that "its impossible for them to succeed".  

this thread isnt whether i think they will or they wont.  this thread is for the people that say they will succeed, how many times do i have to say that?

are you really that naive of a person to think that everything is a guarantee in the world.  thats the same as thinking that everything is free in the world.  thats just stupid to think that way.  how many people thought the tour was going to be some massive monster that was going to sell out everywhere it went?  come on now ;)

I'm not expecting a massive success from GnR, and in fact, I don't really see it happening. I am expecting some good songs that I can listen to for years. In fact, the less they are talked about by the media, the better, in my opinion. That way, music stays genuine and authentic.

We're optimists, we hope for the best, and in doing so, we think the best will happen, therefore we talk about it that way.
Yeah we thought the tour was going to be good, it wasn't, but we're still optimistic.

What part of this is so hard to understand?

So, what are you doing here then?
Nauseatingly sick  :'(but I see you?re honest at the best. To show more of your honesty, I suggest, you should change your name to Anti-Music for Life.

Majorities of us, new gnr fans/music lovers care the music and how we feel about it individually, not a damn what other people and the sales say, which are none of our business. Still we hope all the best just for our fav band, what wrong with that?  

If I don?t like coming CD, I?ll wait the next. If I like it, I'll wait the next.  :love:

SADIS, partly I agree with you. I don?t believe in perfection. To me this word means the death and no more.
Yea! : ok:

THis is a pointless thread, not dicussing anything good or bad, Its just "Music for LIfe" Soapbox, or so to speak. He just used this forum to express his frustration for a lack of CD already.  He acts like he is a hardcore fan and been there since day one.

He's talking like the UYI era was the "real" gnr and what Axl has now isn't. He would of been around 9 when TSI came out, and I doubt he has been waiting or looking forward to this Album when he was 9. This is another pointless thread about One man's frustration about the lack of CD. I bet he's only been waiting since 2002 for CD.

And anytime someone has an opinion he doesn't like he says "That's not the point of my thread" Well what is the point, so you can tell people you were right? When CD isnt out yet?

When I replied to this particular post last week I really didnt think it would still be rumbling on now! But hey ho music for life keeps it rumbling on by just goading proper GnR fans on this message board. What do ya think we are gonna do prick? Of course we are all optimistic about the success of the album! We have all been fans for so long. We ent likely to come on here and agree with a twat like you who hopes and thinks the album will fail! What is the point of you even being here? Take your childish games to another message board.

Music For Life has different ideas about some things than a lot of the people here on this board, but if you, estranged33, think that calling him a prick will get your point accross, you are mistaken. Only thing it'll get you here, is banned.. So play nice.

And Music For Life, there will always be people who will say that they're 110% sure that something will succeed, go down or whatever. Always. Or at least they will say that they're 100% sure, although nothing, as you said, is certain. It wouldn't be very wise for anyone to make that assumption about (alsmost) anything. So why do you even waste your time trying to change their minds.

A question for you Music For Life: Why do you wish that the new bands would fail?

Yeh fair point Skeba I take that one on board!

I just find it so frustrating when I come on to the message board where we are all putting in our worthwhile comments and then you read something like that. It just makes me see red! But like I said fair point you made Skeba there was no need for me calling Music for Life a prick! I, like you would love to know why he/she wants the album to fail.

I bet he is either one of two fans:

1) The fan who took slash's side in the split and can't like both Slash and Axl and blames Axl for breaking up the old band, and mostly likes VR.

2)He is frustrated over the lack of new material and is venting. Maybe he got his hopes up too many times and got burned and now instead of being calm and waiting he's wishing it fails.

The name GN'R will sell and some people dont realize how many young people are getting into GN'R. GN'R is still popular doesn't AFD still sell about 7,000 CD's in the US alone every week yeah I know its about the old band here but the young fans are aware of the new gn'r and listened to it and dig it. I cant see this album failing I just cant see it failing its bound to at least go gold but I see a lot more from this album.

I think it well def sell very well.

when you assume things like that it only makes you look stupid.  you are exactly one of the people im talking about in my thread, you think you know everything.  your reading way too much into this, just answer the simple question.  theres no guarantess in life, so what will say if cd is a failure?  who cares what kind of fan i am, it has nothing to do with anything, im not talking shit about people and making stupid ass assumptions about things to try and dodge the question at hand.

GET IN THE RING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Oh well"?


Why do you even think about these things? Do you worry about stuff like this all the time?

"What will you say when you win on the lottery?"
"What will you do when VR split up?"
"What will you say when you find yourself banned?"

 :hihi:


/jarmo

why dont you try and be cool and not threaten to ban me ;)  im not breaking any rules in here.  im not even starting trouble.  im raising a valid point and why would i talk about if vr breaks up, winning the lottery?  i dont go around saying im for sure going to win the lotto or that vr is ALWAYS going to be together.  you guys on this part of the forum are so certain that cd will be a hit and you guarantee it to be a hit as well as proclaim "its impossible for it to do bad because it has the gnr name".  because i see this all the time is why i started this thread.  am i lying when i say i see this kind of talk all the time?

what is so wrong with asking you guys what you will say if your proven wrong?  this will probably be my last post in this thread since people keep dodging the question and veering to another subject or that "im one of those kind of fans". 

i have never seen people as hard headed and childish as some people on this forum as well as the mygnr.com forum.  to flat out say that something is a guarantee(thats so bold to say, especially in the music business and especially in the music business these days) is so stupid and to not admit that is just worse.  theres a difference between that and wanting something to do well.

again, im not the one making guarantees here and looking like a fool doing so.  im raising a very vaid point here and just wanting some answers and you people refuse to give it.  its doesnt bother me, it just makes you look even more stupid and childish. 

GET IN THE RING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Music for Life..........Are you Scott Weiland by chance? ;D

If you are then [wave] hi

Seriously, I don't see Axl putting out a bad album that will flop.?

Those that live in the past and who damn Axl all the time and give into rumors and what not are the ones who will think it'll fail because Axl isn't doing what they want him to do.? He's doing what Axl wants to do take it or leave it.

I don't think CD will fail at all.? Axl will win either way though because people will still buy it out of curiousity and he'll be the talk of the town once it's released whether that talk is favorable or not.

Music for Life......I am going to assume you are NOT Scott Weiland and offer you a? :smoking: and :beer:? :P

Hey, I am trying to be objective here as I do think that is what a message board is for : ok:

You're assuming the cd will fail isnt that an assumption in itself. You oviously arent interested in the New GnR so why are you even here?

You are assuming people wont like Axl's new stuff

You are assuming you no what everyone in the public likes.

"when you assume things like that it only makes you look stupid" you said so yourself.

Someone needs to either lock this stupid fucking thread or throw it in the Dead horse. Its pointless and doesnt belong in the GnR section.

Music for Life we all know you are just looking to argue and its pointless.

Yeah, and the "GET IN THE RING!!!!!!!!!!!" at the end of all of his posts only makes it more obvious.

im not assuming anything.  im asking you guys what you will say if it doesnt do big.  im not saying its gonna be big or a flop.  theres a chance of both.  your reading what you want to read.  dont bother posting in here if thats how your gonna be, because im not looking for a fight, you are.

I kinda agree with. You only asked ONE simple question and nobody has answered it yet.

But I think it will be pretty fucked up if it doesn't sell well. Because that's Axl's intention, to be HUGE. So if that doesn't happen that probably means we will never hear from him again. And that means that the GNR name has been brought to shame. So I  personally will feel bummed, and won't be too happy about it. I can say I don't care bla bla bla. But I do care since (in the GNR world) there's pretty much at stake.

to answer your question i would be cut if it floped alright,

but the "REAL GNR" fans like you only start threads like this to have a cry cause you just wont give the new line up a chance.

What will you do if the albums a mega hit n' fucks this thread right up! :)

fucks this thread right up?  are you illiterate or something?  i have never said the album is going to be huge or a flop.  you guys are the ones continually saying its going to be huge.  why dont you be real and realize theres a chance it could flop, what will you say then ha?  dont ask me the questions because im not the one parading that the album is going to be huge ;)

Many people have anwsered your "question" What will I do it it does sell well? Nothing I will be hap;py Axl gave me new music, like I said before. Most people on this board will be happy to hear studio cuts of the bootlegs and the chance to hear axl sing. So if its a commercial flop I think most people here might be a ok with it, because there are alot of good musicians out there who dont sell millions but still make good songs.

There's a chance you could die in a horrible car crash in the near future. WHat will you do then when this happens?

the difference is that they arent talking about if the album will be good or not.  they talk specifically of it selling big and being a huge commercial success.   being a huge commercial success doesnt make an album good.   

Sure but you?ve been sounded like the one who liked them mainly because they were popular in the community.
And You are yet to answer the question. Why you want them to flop?
Do you think being a huge commercial flop makes an album good? That's original.

I know self-Cutting is very addictive. How many cuts do you have? :P

me answering that question has nothing to do with anything.  it doenst affect anything at all, so what is your point.  i asked the first question anyway so who are you trying to kid, lol.  you have even yet to answer my question so untill then i will not answer yours, but again...it has nothing to do with this.  im not even asking you guys why you want the album to do good.  how many damn times do i have to tell you illiterate people im not the one parading around that the album is guaranteed to do good and that it will be a huge success.  all im asking is what you will say if it doesnt become that.

come on now, just stay with the subject at hand.  am i being called a liar when i say most of you on here say that your certain cd will be a massive worldwide success and will bring gnr back to their biggest.  is it really that difficult for you to answer a very simple question on a subject such as this?  holy shit, whats wrong with you people?

you know what, dont answer it, i really dont care, but when you make me look like im a liar then i care.  you guys can dodge the question all you want becuase your the ones who will look ridiculously stupid if the album doesnt do what you say it will do.  i wont look stupid at all becuase i have never said and never will say a "for sure guaranteed" answer like you guys always do.  i have given opinoins on what i "think" will happen, but not what "will" happen like you guys do.  do you see the difference now.  i cant believe i have to spell it out and repeat myself so much to you lil kids, lol.  too funny.

GET IN THE RING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate how this flawed argument gets tossed around all the time. G'NR went through soo many producers and shit when they recorded AFD.  The amount of effort spent in recording AFD is probably more the the effort used in recording both the UYI albums.  Most people have this illusion that G'NR quickly went into the studio and came out with this raw sounding album cause they couldn't afford any better or some shit.  They had that planned.  Look at the song choices for the album considering the material they had at their disposal.  They chose not to record Don't Cry and November Rain cause those songs wouldn't come out sounding good if they had that raw feel.  They found a producer who could make the album sound as raw as possible and they chose him because they knew that raw is what people wanted to hear.  Every rock album being put out at the time was such perfect, clean sounding formulaic crap, and they knew the only way to win everyone's attention was to put out something that captured the essence of their live shows.  The fact that Axl has taken 10 years to form a new band and release an album, in my opinion, shows that he cares about his material as much as he did back in 1987.  He easily could have taken the VR route (which i'm not complaining about, VR needed to get the album out fast to avoid any extra comparison to Axl) and released an imperfect album.  I'll remind everyone here that the reason the UYI's sounded overproduced is cause they didn't have spend enough time on the albums and they had to throw a package together quickly, at least that is according to Axl (I'm 99% sure he said that).

Oh... come on... be original. He only asked about your reaction to one of these possibilities. It's not like it's gonna happen for sure. But you never know. It's like the CD. It might be huge and then again... it might flop.  ;)

What the hell are you talking about? They got signed in '86 and the album was released in '87. Sure, I know they wanted perfection and were very aware of what they were doing. But it didn't take them 10 years. After 10 years you have enough stuff to release a really good album. The reason it's been delayed so many times is because trends change. So maybe Axl first wanted a techno thing and then he wanted Industrial, and hell, maybe he now even wants an R&B record.

But actually (if it is that way) that's pretty sad. Just do your thing and don't care about what everyone will say. And talking about trends; I know for sure that within not too much time there will be a total GNR 86-90 revival. With bands playing music like GNR did. The time is right. People are sooooo hungry for that kind of stuff. But I do think it will be new bands ruling the scene. Not the old ones.

I would be Happy if Axl released an album of him redoing children nursery rhymes.

Your two sentences counter re-act each other. You say you are not gonna go arounf saying what will happen like the rest of us two sentences after you just said its gonna be a huge success you are doing the same thing as everyone else except you say fail when other say it will be greatest.

Making fun of the handicap is a nice way to get your point across.

This is old add it your bottom tag.

If this album sells under two million copies, it will be considered a flop. To tell you the truth, the sales of the album are not the most important thing for me. I was a huge fan of Van Halen and stood by the band when VH3 bombed, because I loved the band, and that album, and I didn't care what the world thought. Same with Motley Crue's '94 album.

So while I hope it's huge, if it's a flop, so be it.