Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Yes I know it hasn't aired yet, I'd just like to quick glance this when I get back from seeing Corabi and Cantrell play tonight.

What song did they play?
How did Leno introduce them?
How did they look?
What did they wear?
How did they sound?
What Guitar did  Slash use?
What guitar did Dave use?

I heard they play Slither....which is a major bummer as I was hoping to see FTP. That is according to the Leno website at least.

Yeah, Id be puzzled and disappointed if "Slither" was played...

I don't think they think Slither has run its course yet. It is still #1 on the mainstream and modern rock charts, and I think we still have at least another month before we see FTP officially released. It is kind of disappointing only because I have seen them perform SLither so many times and wanted to see something new.

Me too.

That said, I'm fairly confident it'll be FTP..

EDIT: So much for that....

fucking shit, why did they play Slither again?!  They should have played Fall To Pieces Dammit!   Scott looks more like Sid Vicious nowadays.

Pretty good performance, they looked cool, Slash busted out the top hat..

I just saw the VR performance on Leno.

First off why play SLither again?

That was the most flat performance Ive ever seen.  The way Weiland and the band performed was a friggen joke. Unless it was just the sound, the whole song sounded flat and boring. It sounded as if weiland and the band were just trying to get through their own song. There was no energy and it was dull.

It also seemed as if Weiland couldnt even sing. ANd he ruined the last verse with how he ended the song...What a complete joke that was. How can the #1 rock band play that badly and play the same damn song again? They should have played FTP. Why play the same thing we have been hearing for a few months now.

Im not even trying to be a prick about this, in my opinion it was such a bad performance. The letterman show was much better. HAd more energy to say the least.

Update yeah dissapointed they played Slither again....also dissapointed that the camera was on Scott the whole time.....you saw the edge of Slash during his solo........Leno had the LP and the cd and mentioned they recently sold over 1 million copies.....performance was one of the better ones I've heard and Weiland did well................the crowd looked like it was really mixed...looked like a lot of old people were amongst it.

Scott sounded WAY out of breath.  They seemed kinda bored.  Rather uninspired performance.

Personally for me this whole Velvet Revolver thing has been bored for some time now.  I don't know the album just played itself out on me.....I really didn't overplay it......but i think it was just excitement at first but i'm really finding all those songs boring.  If they do Fall To Pieces as a single I don't think it will do well.  The whole VR thing is fading pretty quick.

Agreed.

Apparently it's not..

http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/airplay/modern.jsp

All you do ius mention stats. Good for stats. As a fan of a band I am interested in performance and musical content. If new gnr sell a zillion ecords and the record blows am I gonna say look at Billboard? hell no. That shit is only meaningful if as a fan I think what they are doing is good.

I think the camera angles sucked as did the sound at times.  During the solo, the camera should have only been at one place, but instead it was on Weiland rubbing Duff, WTF?????  Slash is always Slash and is always inspired.  Dave looked pretty damn bored though.  Slash with the Top Hat just looks so bad ass.  I notice Weiland has changed up the way he sings it a good bit.  Over all good, but I think I may like the Letterman performance better.

Can't wait for the Rolling Rock show.

the wails before the song and at the slow parts of the song were cool. But the way he sung the tune sounded as if he was struggling. ANd then he butchered the last verse.

Exactly if we were going on a band's billboard status as measurement for how awesome they rock, this room would be nothing more than a bunch of guys wearing Brittany Spears T-Shirts and going to Kelly Osbourne shows.  I'm just saying that is my personal opinion....and a few of my friends that also have just said that the cd really has lost it's luster after a few listens.

I see what your saying and I agree.

I was only replying to an uninformed post with facts to back it up.
VR is obviously far from "fading"....

By the way Bill, the avatar is fucking great!  Kudos!

That was horrible, if that was one of their better performances then VR must really suck live.

Predictable...

fair enough...

Pretty cool.Is itjust me or does scott try to be like axl?

The way they played it at the Weenie Roast is the way they should always play that song.  It was awesome.

http://www.belowempty.com/vr/downloads.php

It's just you..

No doubt, he should wear that more often along with his sweet leather jacket with the patches on it.

he actually kind of reminds me of Ian Asthbury (sp)(Cult) sometimes.  Like the Weiland is just dying to sing the "yeah's" from She Sells Sacatuary during Slither live.

The Cult being my favorite band, I've refrained from the Astbury/Weiland comparisons but have seen some similarities.  Ian was actually picked over Weiland and a few others to front the 21st Century Doors..

that was the most energetic performance I've ever seen from Scott....which is problably why he was out of breathe and forcing his voice

I think you are a bit confused.......that was the most energetic I've ever seen Scott which is problably why he was out of breathe and his voice sucked. But the energy was unbelievable...except for the crowd in which half of them were over 40 lol. They did give them a really loud applause at the end though.

the performance was a lot more energitic than the Letterman one...but the sound was better on letterman. I've watched it over and over on video and on my computer. Trust me there was energy lol

I guess Im missing something, because it was clear to me that Weiland had about twice the energy here than Letterman.  The singing wasnt as good, but he was easily more into this performance.  Throwing the mic stand aside was a cool touch.  And that might have been Slashs best live "Slither" solo yet.  Im disappointed they played "Slither" again - but it was a good performance.

The sound seemed a little off...Scotts vocals were pretty low, and he seemed fairly close to the mic.  ???

And Im certainly not surprised to see it picked apart by the usual suspects.



Yeah, I mean he dances and sings...what a rip-off!

Feel free to elaborate on your comment, because Im lost...(Scott wasnt even wearing the pilots hat).

I think it's really dumb when someone criticizes a singer for sounding awful....there's so much that can influence how you are going to sound. like getting over excited and running out of breathe or rehearsing a song 6 times then by the time they perform it their voice is shot. People who criticize that just don't understand..they think there's only one right way to do it and that is exactly like it is on the album but its just not the case.

Why the hell did you have to make 3 seperate posts?  Learn the damned Modify button and what it does.

Don't worry about it

Billy :)

You know someone is gonna say it...  MTV Awards... GnR.  All band's have the occassional off day.  Nuff said.

They should of played Fall To Pieces

Sounds like something that could describe this VMA performance I saw about two years ago which was bashed a lot because the singer didn't sound like he used to in 1987.  :hihi:



Same back at you.

A few posters here will always think VR is cool even though they fuck up while some others will pick on even the smallest negative thing and post it.

I read on other places how they looked bored and Weiland sounded winded. That doesn't sound too good when you're talking about a TV apperance that lasted a few minutes. Wonder if people will be complaining about it two years from now?  :hihi:




/jarmo

Do you really want to make this a VR/GNR/VMA thread?  

And how exactly could it describe it?  Im comparing two VR performances to each other and giving a very clear opinion - Scott sounded better on Letterman and was more energetic on Leno.  Now explain to me the GNR parallel (if thats the the direction youre insistent on going).



Have you even seen the performance?  

I dont know where the bored thing comes from...Theres really no disputing that Weiland had considerably more energy on Leno than Letterman.  Slash tore through his solo almost flawlessly.  So the boredom/no energy thing is beyond me still.  If anybody can elaborate itd be appreciated.  

As for Weilands singing, it was okay.  Hardly bad.  

No, but GN'R got a lot of shit because their VMA02 wasn't perfect.

See, these things happen to bands who don't dance to a tape and choose to perform live instead.

I hope the people bashing Axl's/GN'R's VMA02 performance would get that. Hey! it's ok, even VR isn't perfect all the time.

That's my point.



Not yet.

But, I did say "I read....."




It was mentioned by two people on a GN'R mailinglist that they looked bored, especially Duff.

"I love the VR album, but they sounded weak on Leno. They looked bored and
Weiland was winded."




/jarmo

I saw the Leno performance and I was also hoping FTP would be played. I don't mind Slither but I was like "again??" Regardless, it was still a good performance but certainly not as good as Letterman. Jarmo was right, Duff did look bored (but VERY good). I don't know... I wasn't really feeling this performance but everyone has their days!  :-\

ummm, am i the only one that noticed leno introduce them by saying...

"they have already sold over a million copies"  ?

i doubt it sold another 500 thousand from a couple weeks ago when it was just announced gold?  im sure leno was talking about sales outside of the us as well though.  sales all over im sure have reached over a million.

These are all things that would be better-suited to a thread concerning GNR or the VMAs, but since you brought it up...

Youre absolutely right.  Bands very rarely sound "perfect" live, but thats not really what the GNR/VMA criticism was about, in my opinion.

First of all, theres a completely different set of circumstances.  This wasnt a gig, this was the gig.  The VMAs were Axls big comeback after so long, and it was on one of, if not the biggest music forum around.  So the expectations and pressure were in a completely different league, unfortunately.  Fair or not, Axls under a lot more scrutiny due to the circumstances.

And it wasnt just about Axl being winded - it was about his actual voice.  The sound of it was very different than before.  On Leno, Scotts voice was shaky in parts, but Scott wasnt coming out of hiding after 8 years on the biggest show out there with a strangely "new" voice.  It was Scotts voice, only shaky.  Weve gone over Axls "new" voice a million times, so Ill leave it at that.  And Scott wasnt struggling like Axl was in certain parts (the "sha-na-na..."s come to mind, as does "Paradise City".)

And I think I should just reiterate - since your comments were in response to my posts - that despite these criticisms, I ultimately liked the VMA performance a lot.  Awesome energy, great playing and Axl nailed "Madagascar".  It was completely memorable, and the good parts ultimately outweighed the bad in my opinion.  So theres no need to convince me of anything - and I know you were referring to those who do think otherwise, but I feel the need to clarify.  


Well, in the combined 20 seconds Duff was on camera, I didnt notice any boredom.  I mean if he sighed and checked his watch I might see what they were talking about.  But he was playing like he usually does as far as I could tell.

Same goes for the rest.  If anything, they could complain that they themselves were bored watching it, I could understand that.  After all, were hearing "Slither" for the 700th time...But I still dont see this so-called boredom.  In fact, I see the exact opposite in Weiland.  I just watched the Leno and Letterman performances back-to-back, and Weiland is waay more energetic in the Leno one.  Theres no arguing it.

I've seen VR twice and Duff and Dave looked exactly the same as they did lastnight. They are not like Slash...jumping around.. They stay in the background more. Duff was exactly the same way during Letterman. Again, another example of people from other forums trying to find anything they can to criticize VR on.

Oh and I've seen Duff live 3 times before and still he's exactly the same way.

I enjoyed the performance.  Was it "El Rey?"  No.  But it was still pretty energetic.   Weiland's voice was shaky, but like someone else said, there are a lot of variables when it comes to singing.

If you want clean perfect singing, watch "live" performances of said pop stars Justin TimberSpearsSimpson.    

The sound wasn't loud enough. I  don't think Leno's people did a good job of picking up the vocals.

it could've been because they were outdoors

in my opinion, the leno performance was great. of course scott's vocals were less than ideal, but what do you really expect. the rest of the band made up for it, i thought. the instrumental recording was killer and sounded very close to the studio recording. slash and duff both looked younger than have been recently. it was great to see slash break out his guns-era style garb once again. in addition the stage was better located than in the letterman performance. the larger, outdoor setting seemed more suiting than the indoor stage isolated from the audience on the letterman show. all in all i would rate this show a little higher than the performance on letterman.

i think VR are doing everything possible to shoot themselves in the foot

its time for another single, they must hurry and put another out! CB is fallin down the charts, some may have already dismissed them simply cause they keep playin the same fuckin song over and over

that cd is way to good to keep playin "slither" over and over

usually if u play one song on letterman, u play a different song on leno, what are they gonna do now? its rare a band gets 2 invites on the same talkshow so where are they gonna promote FTP? conan obrien? they wasted alot of publicity and a chance to help break FTP by not playin it on Leno

Usher already has released 3 singles, he had 3 songs in the top 10 and this is why his cd has been on top for so long and why it has sold through the roof

VR also going straight to europe hopefully will help their overall sales but they shouldve stuck around the US

FTP has to come out soon, they have to put slither behind them and get the ball moving, cause once CB loses its momentum,(which it is very close to doing) it will be finished!

debuting at number 1 means nothing if u fall out of the top 10 as fast as they have, that shows they arent drawing in that many new fans

FTP,YGNR will draw in some new fans, its time!

Yes, I to would have liked to have seen them play FTP.  However, I think they may have played Slither because of the outdoor setting.  A "rocker" such as Slither would have got the crowd more fired up.  

I think with vr its all about the crowd. I saw some older women in the crowd of the leno show. Anyone who has been to a VR show will tell you they are amazing live. Scott has some crazy energy you can only feel by being right there (it has something to do with his eyes) im not even kidding you. It just requires a little effort from the crowd to get scott to that place, if you dont believe me ask anyone who went to the second wiltern show.

The sound on Letterman was better, the performance on Leno was better, simple as that.  Scott had much more energy on Leno, he reminded me of Axl in many ways.  He was also out of breath a lot, but that didn't matter.  Slash's solo on Leno was better as well.  I liked both performances.  They each had some good and bad about them, but I can't complain about either one.  Let me add that most outdoor shows have worse overall sound than indoor ones as you probably well know.

Do we really want new fans? ;) They just take tickets from us (just kidding)

I'm sure they know what they are doing. Don't compare them to usher, they dont play to the same fanbase. Slither hasn't slipped on the charts. contraband is in the top 10. Releasing fall to pieces now ends slithers run. Let them release it when they have a video ready

I thought they played it a bit quicker....I liked scotts different singing at the start.......His voice wasent the best during the last half of the song cos of all his danceing but Slash was awesome... :beer:

Did you see the crowd they were playing to?  There were like 3 people bobbing their hands in the air and other than that it looked like a very mixed crowd...I noticed a lot of older people there.....It definitely wasn't a "rocker" crowd.  FTP would have hit right.

Again, ::)


The band record company and management have done absolutely everything perfect so far, questioning them at this point in time is less than smart...



Wrong.

3 recent examples of rock bands on Letterman,Leno, Conan and Kilborn playing the same song...

The Darkness - I Believe In A thing Called Love (Dave and Jay)
Courtney Love - Hold Onto Me (Dave and Jay)
Auf Der Maur - Followed ByThe Waves (Conan and Jay)



So?

Again, questioning folks that have yet to make a mistake...

Puh-leaze..


Putting a still hot single behind them is flat out stupid.  The longer it stays successful, the longer legs the album will have.


Last time I checked, Contraband was indeed back in the top ten and doing just fine..

thanks for proving my point to me falcon


the darkness,courtney and whoever else u listed what new single have they played on those shows?

none i know of, why? cause they already got their appearance, now its finished

are leno or letterman gonna have em on next month to do FTP? i wouldnt bet on it!

slither is hot, release FTP capitalize on the momentum

Usher has sold over 5 million records and he released his cd just a couple months or so prior to VR he had 3 songs in the top 10, it keptpeople buyin the cd

Slither is over! its time to introduce fans to new stuff that have never heard of this band true its back in the top 10 which is great but the time FTP gets up the charts slither will have burnt out, i find it better to have a single already on the way up then slither burn out and then release the single

i like VR i just dont want them to fuck up a great album by killin their momentum and they could be in danger of doing so

Yes, FTP may have been the more appropriate choice in retrospect.  However, maybe they did not know what the crowd would be like.  There were tickets for sale to see them.  They like I probably thought a younger audience would have snapped up the tickets.  Why the fuck would a middle aged bald man in business wear buy a VR ticket anyway?  I am sure VR was just as dissapointed with the crowd response as us.

For all of you who havent seen the performance, theres a link up at the belowempty site here...........

http://www.belowempty.com/vr/index.php?p=news#040717_1

Enjoy!
 :beer:

Apparently your point of view was/is so weak and baseless you need(ed) some hackneyed misinterpretation to prove it to yourself..

Congrats..have another Zima.... : ok:

I liked the Letterman performance better than this one.

Maybe it was the sound or something....


I wish this "dangerous" band could've played a song that's NOT on the radio and tv already. I've seen other bands do that, so it possible.

"Do It For The Kids" or "Suckertrain Blues" would've been a nice surprise.  8)



/jarmo

not really....can't expect much out of a crowd that was just roaming the streets of LA and heard a noise and came to check out what it was....which leads to a crowd of people of all ages....20's, 40's, 60s lol

I would have loved to have seen STB or a different rocker other than Slither as well.  However, looking back I'm not sure if an outdoor daytime performance would have been the right venue for FTP.

Another thing I don't think anyone has mentioned, it might not be entirely the bands call on what they play.  

IE,

Booking agent: "You're invited to be on Leno and play your current hit single, "Slither".  

Band: "Well, we'd like to play another track, possibly our soon to be released next single, "Fall to Pieces".

Booking agent: "That doesn't make much sense for us, your current single is number 1 on the two main Billboard rock charts so we'd prefer you stick with that, we'll have you back to promote your next single after it's release"....

We really don't have any idea what contigencies, parameters or promises were involved so who the hell knows...

This is absolute speculation on my part of course.

ummm, am i the only one that noticed leno introduce them by saying...

"they have already sold over a million copies"  ?

i doubt it sold another 500 thousand from a couple weeks ago when it was just announced gold?  im sure leno was talking about sales outside of the us as well though.  sales all over im sure have reached over a million.

Yeah, I assume the million comment means worldwide.  I still believe though there is a majority of young people who have no idea who VR is.  By Leno dropping the million comment kids who watched may think, well these guys have sold a lot of records maybe I should check them out.  This may have been a planned marketing strategy or not either way it works in their favor.

Well, I just saw the performance and thought it was damn good.  Scott was off a couple times but it wasnt that bad. Duff didnt look bored to me, he just looked like he always does. Just my two cents.

Yeah thats what I was saying a few days back how they would be predictable and play SLither somemore I think they are as bored of slither as we are.

FYI, Velvet Revolver are currently at number 8 on the Billboard chart (up from 14 the previous week), so they are still fighting to hang in the Top Ten.  They are ahead of the Beastie Boys (#9) who's "Ch-Check It Out" single is doing pretty good, IMO.  The Beastie Boys came out a week later and sold twice as much in their first week... now they've dropped below VR.

Not disagreeing about FTP being released, but they arent doing as poorly as you suggest.   : ok:

scott seemed outta breath, the performance was boring, not much energy and scott was really not into it. i've seen better performances, but then again i've also seen the weenie roast show and scott sucked so bad... and slash's guitar in that festival didn't have a lot of sustain either.
anyway, it was ok, but scott needs to get his shit together

i know CB is still in the top 10 which is why i want them to hurry up and release FTP so they can stay in the top ten

I didn't notice anyone looking bored in the performance, but I was too busy focusing on Scott. I did notice the poor sound, which could have made it sound like a less than enthusiastic performance.

I think they climbed up alot in part of the BTM Guns N Roses.

Scott was out of breath but he was still right into it, he was all over the stage twisting and bending his body as he does.

It's funny, his vocal performance almost reminded me of Axl's UYI-era live voice, in that Axl always seemed to be struggling to hit the notes he hit in the studio, same with Scott in this performance.

All in all, not that bad a performance as everyone is making it out to be, but not the best either. The Letteman performance was definitely better.

Funny comming from the person who runs to defend the stinking pile of shit that Axl layed on the Radio City Music Hall stage durring the VMA's


and Dave that little post was as meaningful as your ban Contraband thread. Why is it when someone critisizes GnR they are the most ignorant posters on the board, but when you start spouting off like a 10 year old about VR you should somehow be taken seriously?

In what part of Axl wasnt his best a compliment?

Plus the 2 performances were 2 completely different circumstances...

So predictable, at least VR are playing shows, Dave your getting old. :confused:

I have seen VR live 2x's now.  I love Contraband.  The Leno preformance wasn't to great.  Big deal?  They were good on Lettermen and they were awesome on the KROQ Weenie Roast.

Ever hear Axl sing Bad Apples live?  No performer is perfect!

I'm not saying scott is riping axl off I'm just saying they hav alotof the same moves.Did scott move like that in STP or is it just slash and duff make people wanna dance like that