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Slash gets a copy of CHINESE DEMOCRACY and go listen in his 17667829 x 6726060 m? living room:

Slash: "Ahhhhhhhh ... let?s see ..."

first 46 seconds...

Slash: "hmmm..."

(http://www.rnb.hpg.ig.com.br/slash060.jpg)

2? song ...

Slash: "holy fu** ... who?s that guitarrist maaaannn ...? how can he do it? let me see..."

(http://www.rnb.hpg.ig.com.br/ssslas17.jpg)

2? song yet ...

" truuuuu .... truuuuuu - / PHONE RINGING / - .... hey, Duff? did you he ... yeah ... yeah ... I KNOW!!!  HOW CAN HE SCREAM LIKE THAT DUDE!?! "

(http://www.rnb.hpg.ig.com.br/slash11.jpg)

3? song ...

Slash phone:

" .... truuuuu ... truuuuuu  - / PHONE RINGING / - ... hello? Slash here ..." ( 3? song still in the background ... )

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AXL: " A HA! GOTCHA !" * CLICK*

Slash: " damn you red hair ... stupid motherfucker ... asshole ... dickhead " ( Slash grambling ... )

4? song ...

Slash: " this album ... too good ... tooo good ... thats not right ...  things are not made to be this way... "

(http://www.rnb.hpg.ig.com.br/slash068.jpg)

4? song yet ...

(http://www.rnb.hpg.ig.com.br/slash066.jpg)

Slash: " Well, at least he had my face on his arm ... people will know me"



 ;D
I LOVE BOTH

thats one of the funniest things ive seen...That desrves a nominatipn for whenever the awards come around....


When Slash first hears CD he will say "Holy Fuck now every interview I do is going to ask about this album and how Axl was sane enough to put together a masterpiece with these freaks"

Sorum will be liek "cmon you guys...then they all run the other way"

Renato, you really don't have a life, hahhaahhaahaahhaaha... :hihi:
No problem, I don't have one too..  :confused:
Funny stuff. Some Slash/VR fans will kill you, you know...  :rofl:

 :hihi: poor Slash

This would be funny...if CD was out! :confused:

Haha that cracked me up......nice work. :rofl:

Man, you have a lot of time on your hands....

You've spent is wisely.  : ok:  :hihi:

@#$%Muther

As ... belly aching as that was... ahem... I am 100% sure whatever Axl does will not surprise Slash.  Don't forget, while Slash hasn't played on this stuff, he has heard some of it anyway.  During his time in GnR for those last years... Axl will have brought stuff to the band...

Anyway, I am sure Axl will make a great record.  But it wont be a rock n roll one and thats what Slash wanted.  So both sides will be fine.

hahahhahahaahhahahahahahahhahaa

 :rofl: i can actually imagine slash doing all that LOL. poor loser, getting stuck with scott... when he could've had a God... oh well, drugs will eventually make you do bad choices, ditching Axl being one of them.

You are a pretty big loser if you actually think of Axl as a God. How sad is that? Velvet Revolver at least made a decent Rock N' Roll record and they were able to release it within a year.

Axl will make a fine record but it won't be Rock N' Roll . And what sort of God is he if he can't even release it within 10 years? You know why isn't releasing it? Because he is still looking for something. And that something is the 3 guys he pushed away. He knows it as well as Slash. They belong together as a band, and not that stupid clown looking "nu" band.

So what if it isn't rock n' roll? What is your point? Please elaborate.

My point is that he's bitching about VR and that he should shut up because they made a decent Rock N Roll record. In its genre they made a good record that was very needed in these times with Linkin Park as a standard to rock music.

If Axl doesn't make a rock n roll record it won't bother me but I got hooked to GNR because of AFD. And that's a Rock N Roll defining record. And anyone who is a GNR fan became a fan because of the rock music they made. And VR made a good rock record so people should stop bitching about them. They're good.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Good work RnT, that was the funniest thing Ive seen on here in probably forever.

hey sad... whatever the hell your name is. if you have such low expectations that a cd like contraband gives everything you want, that's fine by me, but don't come bitchin about Axl, he's a Rock God cuz he's records with Gn'r proved his talent. slash and company only enjoyed the ride of working with such a brilliant mind as Axl, Besides if Slash is that good, how come all of his solo efforts and contraband can't even reach Axl's songs from the gnr days.
as far as i'm concerned Slash is a good guitar player. but Axl always led him to sucess cuz he had the vision and the gift to make music great. Axl makes the diference between an ordany or decent rock cd as you put it, and a piece of art that will be around for years.
i'll sure as hell wanna wait for something brilliant rather than getting all excited with a record that isn't half as good as people make of it. if it sold that much is only because it had 3 former gnr member's. the lyrics suck, and the ballads are just scary. it has some good rock songs like dirty little thing. but that's not that far behind from slash's snakepit  : ok:

So what if it isn't Rock and Roll???
I understand that SADIS, is making a stupid point without hearing CD, but your comeback (which has been a popular comeback since the release of Contraband) is ridiculous.

Guns N' Roses were "the" Rock and Roll band. I understand that everyone in here thinks that Axl is a genius (some more than others), but I came here (and stayed) because Guns "the Rock band" is (was) incredible. My love for Axl doesn't trancend all boundries, if CD changes the sound of Guns N Roses that accutely I will be very disappointed. I am a member at a Guns N Roses Fansite and not a New Edition site for a reason...........as Dee Snider said...... "I Wanna Rock"...... not drive in my car, sway to the rythym of Axl's version of a Michael Bolton Ballad Album.

Why is it so hard for people in this forum to realize that the majority of GnR fans are looking for a Rock and Roll album, not Axl's Grand Masterpeice. He's a Rock and Roll frontman not John Williams.

Make fun of my name, if that's what you like. But it's made of the first characters of the guys who made AFD. To me, THAT'S Guns N Roses. You can think I'm the most stupid person on earth for saying that.

I never said I think that Axl will deliver a mediocre album. Hell, I know for sure it will be the best. Axl is my fave singer of all times too. But from what I've heard (Madagascar, OMG, The blues and Chinese Democracy) I can only say I like the Blues and Madagascar. And I think they would have sounded a lot cooler if they were played in the original GNR line-up. And I never said that CB is that great, but in times like these, with no Axl or GNR it's the best I can get. And no Slash ain't the best songwriter, but I still prefer him over Buckethead as a solo guitarist in GNR.

I just don't get the vibe with the new GNR. I miss something, and that something is Slash, Duff and Izzy. They made this vibe that touched something in me, and yeah I think they are genuine enough to say that without them that vibe ain't there.

And art doesn't exist, that's just a bunch of crap. Good music does exist, and Axl made it. But over the tunes Izzy, Slash and Duff played and wrote. No Slash, no SCOM. No Izzy, no Patience or Don't Cry. And no Axl, no OIAM/Estranged/ etc. All together they were great, and I still have to see if Axl can pull it off all by himself.

 :rofl: Funniest post ever.  : ok: Axl didn't write a fuckin' note to AFD besides the vocal melodies. Does the rest of the stuff suck? No. And if I were you, I wouldn't write anything about music with a Robin Finck picture in my avatar. Slash is the best guitarist ever, GN'R was made by 5 guys. Believe me, none of them could have been that successful without each others. And the Nu-GN'R... I'm happy youl ike it, but these songs are definitely the ones that are good only because of Axl's work, and the others' ideas just... Hm, well. It's rare to hear a song that lacks musical brainstorm as much as Chinese Democracy or Silkworms. Riyadh is a mediocre chaos, Madagascar is nothing special with a boring guitar solo, The Blues would be interesting if it wasn't a NR copy, OMG has toneless guitar in the middle... and we haven't heard more in the last 7 years since GN'R is not else, but Axl's solo project. I hope he'll release the album some day, but I'm afraid things won't happen in the way as the topic's first post says, because Axl and Slash will be all dead by then. I hope I'm wrong.

i agree with you  :beer:

^ ahh, now that's the funniest part.  You should have said Nov 2004 to get people excited.  

You want me to laugh at Slash, but all you did was make me remember how cool he was in GNR.  Those are awesome photos.


So do I.  And I think he will like CD (we all will) because it's gonna be great. But that doesnt mean Slash would also like to have been a part of it.  You can like great albums without wanting to play on them.  

I love Slash, I think the dude is a legend.   That was kinda funny mind, put a smile on my face mainly because of how ridiculous it is.   Slash, Duff and Matt are the ones with an album out so why not do one with Axl begging them to return and actually get a Guns N' Roses album released! : ok:

Where is all this Axl was the main man stuff coming from?   Since the loss of Duff, Matt, Izzy and Slash he has done nothing!   We're still waiting on the album.   Together they were legendary, because they all brought something to the table and put it together and made some of the best rock n' roll albums there will ever be.   Steven Adler was on AFD, yes I know before some punk ass tries to correct me.

I don't hate Axl, the guy is a legend but I'm sick of the hating on the ex-members!   So far they have done more than Axl has with his bunch of stand ins.   The album could blow the music world wide open, or it could just plain blow...but hell we need to have it released first.

lmao dude! amazingly, I think that is how Slash really will act...

Yeah but he also wrote all the lyrics...

These are the song writing credits I have:

"Welcome To The Jungle"
(Music: Slash, Rose / Lyrics: Rose)

"It's So Easy"
(Music: McKagan, Arkeen / Lyrics: McKagan, Arkeen )

"Nightrain"
(Music: Stradlin, McKagan, Rose, Slash / Lyrics: McKagan, Rose)

"Out Ta Get Me"
(Music: Slash, Rose, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose, Stradlin)

"Mr. Brownstone"
(Music: Stradlin, Slash / Lyrics: Stradlin)

"Paradise City"
(Music: McKagan, Slash, Rose, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose, McKagan)

"My Michelle"
(Music: Rose, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose)

"Think About You"
(Music: Stradlin / Lyrics: Stradlin)

"Sweet Child O' Mine"
(Music: Rose, Slash, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose)

"You're Crazy"
(Music: Slash, Stradlin, Rose / Lyrics: Rose, Stradlin)

"Anything Goes"
(Music: Stradlin, Rose, Weber / Lyrics: Stradlin, Rose)

"Rocket Queen"
(Music: Rose, Slash, Stradlin / Lyrics: Rose)



/jarmo

Well, Steven Adler (we know his feelings about Axl) told me last week that Axl wrote ALL the lyrics for AFD. And when I asked "R U FUCKIN SURE ABOUT THIS?" Robbie Crane said "Yes, it's the truth man...".

Axl is a genius.

Well Steven Adler is mistaken....not sure why he would say that, maybe he's forgotten

Firstly, not one of us KNOWS who wrote what on AFD for real because no one's credits were written down back then.  The fact that Axl is credited in certain songs for the music means nothing as these credits have no source to speak of.

Also, Duff recently stated that Axl didn't write music for AFD.  And why would he?

By the way, while we are on here about Axl's genius... why is it that the Hollywood Rose music is mostly shit?  No Slash... no Duff...

I'm sorry, but if Axl is such a genius and has this wildly amazing ability to make people write amazing stuff, why is it that Shadow of your Love, Rocker, and the others on that CD are very very standard...?

It's because he doesn't make people write good shit.   They do it themselves.

Slash in BTM says that Apetite is a catalog of what Axl and the band was going through at the time. The fact that he singled out Axl reiterates what Steven is supposed to have said, and the fact that most of the credits on all GnR albums include Axl.

Slash could also have said it because he loves Axl, but i doubt it. ;)

By all reports Axl was extremely dominating when it came to deciding what music/riffs/melodies were to be used on the songs; i.e Sweet child o mine, where he recognised the potential Slashs godly riff had. He was always the main force behind GnR music, there are people who tend to say NR is good because of Slashs solo or Izzy wrote most of the songs etc...  Most of it is lies, in an attempt to further discredit Axl.

Imo  Axl was behind most of the music, he was a dictator and a perfectionist, yet its those things which made the GnR music timeless and incomparable.



Disclaimer: Most of what i've written is MY OPINION

Funny considering the guy is responsible for one of the biggest hits the band had, "November Rain". Axl, and his fellow Hollywood Rose band mate named Izzy, also wrote this little song called "Dont Cry" which was one of the reasons the band got signed.

Have you heard any of the songs Slash wrote in 1984? I haven't.....



/jarmo

Hmmm..

Who should we believe then? Steven or a well documented source?

Without knowing what well documented source your talking about i'd say the documented source!

What source you talking about? credits on album?

: ok:

to start, nothing is funny... November Rain is certainly not that great... it's just more mainstream friendly... come on Jarmo...

songs like Don't Damn Me, Coma, Double Talkin Jive, Nightrain.... THESE are quality tunes.... November Rain is good... but man, it's not great.  It's heavily overrated because it's one of the few GnR songs that the mainstream liked.

And no... we haven't heard Slash's 1984 stuff... why would we care?  If it's as bad as the Hollywood Rose stuff, I don't want to hear it.  The way I see it is this... Slash's Snakepit is Slash's stuff without Axl right?  And Hollywood Rose is Axl without Slash (forget other members for a sec...).

Snakepit is leagues ahead of Hollywood Rose.  So there. :D  Slash's solo efforts may not be GnR standard... but they are far better than Axl's previous non-gnr stuff.  How's that for a turnaround!?

good work with the pics RnT :hihi:

Oh ya, Poor slash. Sucks to have a # 1 gold album,  sold out international tours, etc. By the time CD ever comes aout, slash will be talking about the 3rd vr album on behind the music.

Get a Life!

That was a funny post,but I really don't think is sitting around worrying about what Axl is up to.Velvet Revolver are one of the best bands around these days,there's no GN'R album out,so no one really knows what it will sound like.For all we know Axl could have re-wote the album over 100 times by now,and I hope all of the songs don't sound like OMG,it's an ok song,but I wouldn't want a whole album full of that.

Or at least most of the lyrics. I didn't say that Axl isn't a genius - yes, he is. Without him AFD would be something very different, and not that great. Axl is my favourite singer of all time, but back in '87 he didn't play guitar (I wonder how good he is now...), and AFD is guitar music, right? So he could have hardly written any music. Ooops, I forgot about Paradise City, where we can hear about 5 notes on synths. I don't know how good he was at playing the piano, but AFD is not that type of music you write on piano and then rewrite to guitar. It's funny to imagine Axl playing WTTJ or My Michelle on his piano. Some of you really overrate his talent in writing music. I don't know the source of Jarmo's songwriting credits, but if they (original members) have ever said this can be only because Axl was a dictator and wanted to see his name everywhere.

First of all I think you're wrong, but if you are right, the majority needs to wake the fuck up. GNR already veered away from AFD's rock n' roll to a more hard rock sound with the Illusion albums, and what with Axl being in his forties now, it's only natural there's some progression.


It makes no sense to compare them since there's a huge time gap between 'em.


I doubt that's true, especially as Izzy is a great lyricist. As far as I know at least 'Think About You' is a 100% Izzy tune, and I believe Axl's said that somewhere.

I originally posted this in the "Slash & Axl" topic, but it looks like it is more applicable over here.....

Anyone here play guitar?

Break down Slash's guitar parts into 8-note figures and you'll realize his "songwriting" consists of two things:
1) Taking riffs from 25+ years ago
2) Slightly altering the timing (without changing ANY of the notes)

It really is a direct cut and paste. This is one of the main things that has always held back Appetite/Illusions when compared in a historical context.

With Buckethead gone, it will be interesting to see if New GN'R can find a replacement that comes close to matching Slash's performance skills. But as far as Slash's songwriting contributions are concerned, they are easily replaceable.

Really?  To whom, you?  Because I dont recall seeing many critics noting that when "comparing in a historical context".  ::)  And you figure if it were just that easy, thered be a ton of albums as good as Appetite.  But really, your post is just a feeble attempt to discredit Slash, and not unsurprising.

And yet the most surprising thing is that none of this changes the fact that what I said is true.

If you don't know anything about writing guitar parts, ask around with people who do. All of Slash's riffs are just cut and pastes of stuff that's been around for years. There probably aren't many people who can play as good as him, but there is practically nothing unique or inventive about his "songwriting." That aspect of Slash's contributions will be easily replaceable.

You also might want to think about what you said with the last two words of this sentence. I'm guessing you didn't mean what you wrote.

Put down your guitar for a second and pick up a dictionary - look up the words ''personal' and ''opinion''

Don't state your views as dogma ::)



Your opinion again - plus those songs were also written by Izzy

And your right - both of them are talentless it was Slash and Steven who wrote all the lyrics to AFD then gave their writing credits to Axl ::) ::) ::)

Okay lets play your daft game - if an artist wrote a few average songs before he was even signed - that makes him a bad lyricist?

Check any band's early stuff - its raw, its amaeturish

Its the way music is - writing good lyrics takes practice and time


Well there is such a thing as getting the best out of someone - pushing them to their limits or advising them

Why someone that hates Axl Rose so much feels the need to come to a GNR site is......baffling to be honest

Ur probably too dumb to realise it but essentially u have said Izzy Stradlin and Axl Rose are rubbish lyricists ::)

If u want to complain about how shit GNR is go to a Nirvana board

If you want to complain how shit Axl Rose is check the VR section or any Velvet Revolver site you like - thats where others like u congregate

I guess i must be the only one smart enough to realise GNR was the efforts of 5 exceptional musicians and each played his part

I must be amazing in that i like both Slash and Axl and acknowledge both of their credits

This is slightly off topic, but am I the only one who thinks the f***in' rolleyes emoticon should be removed for good? Or that its use be limited to 1-3 per day?

It wouldn't be needed at all if people stopped posting rubbish about the band 24/7

Axl's crap, Slash's crap blah blah blah

I thought we were all fans

No, you are not alone.  :) I tried to explain that Axl Rose is not GN'R and GN'R is not Axl Rose. Neither Slash, Duff, Izzy or Steven is GN'R. AFD and Lies was a result of 5 guys' collaboration. Some of them wrote chords, some of them riffs, some of them vocal melodies or lyrics or bass or drum parts, sometimes they worked together on things to create the best. In my opinion it was still GN'R after Steven was fired, but a different GN'R. After Izzy had left, we didn't hear new material. Slash's Snakepit is not GN'R, Loaded isn't GN'R, Izzy Stradlin' Band is not GN'R, Nu-GN'R is not GN'R, only the music of Axl and his new musicians. Maybe if they stayed together, it wouldn't be GN'R anymore, because the Real Guns N' Roses wrote their songs mostly together and not alone in different places of the USA.

Firstly, others state that Snakepit is 'shit' so I can say another band is 'shit'.  I never said it WASNT my opinion.

Second.  I never said Axl was given lyrics by anyone.  For starters, I was mainly talking about the songs... not a specific part of the songs.

Third.  I disagree wth your statement about bands being ametuerish.  Funnily enough, Guns N' Roses, as a band's early stuff, is AFD.  They don't have a very large selection of other music other than that.  I have all the bootlegs, and frankly, there isn't much more.

Fourth.  Don't call me dumb.

Fifth.  As I stated before, I didn't mention Axl's or Izzy's lyircs.

Sixth.  My post history proves I don't hate Axl.  Don't make those accusations based on no knowledge.  My past posts will prove that I praise Axl when he deserves it.  When he acts like a cock I don't.  Unlike some.

Seven.  You are far from amazing.  You are a prick.  Sorry Jarmo... but he did call me dumb! :D

First of all, Dave - S.I.T.N. and Izzy, STOP IT RIGHT NOW.

Second, I never said that Axl is GN'R. GN'R is all the members that played and gave something to the band. Even Gilby Clarke.

Third, what Steven said is true (that he said it, not what he said, that is up to you to believe him). I don't need to make up lies. I'm not a 1 post wonder. I've been here for too long to make up shit.

I don't know what a "well documented source" means to you but to hear it from someone who was in the band at the time is more of a well documented source to me than anything else...

I'm sorry but i don't belive Steven said that to you

We don't have all the details but we do now that songs like Think about you were not written by Axl - either Steven has been misquoted or he is grossly mistaken

Infact i actually remember a quote from Axl about 'Mr Brownstone' - he says he found the lyrics in Izzy's room and asked Izzy about them as he liked them - Izzy replied he had also written music for the song to

That quote (if memory serves is somewhere in the archives of this site - i will endeavour to find it)

To cut a long story short - the credits Jarmo gives maybe not be 100% correct but there are close enough (they were published in 1988)

Axl did not write all the lyrics to AFD.

Well I'm sorry you don't believe me.

I was with Steven and the whole band for 2 days and we talked about lots of things. Robbie Crane was with me and Steven when he said that but I won't ask Robbie to register on a message board just to make YOU believe what I said (even though he had the best to say about this site and message board, he said that it's the "unofficial-official" GN'R site).

I can and will post many pictures of me and the band in the next few days.

I won't go on with this matter. If you don't believe me it's your problem, not mine.

No need to get so defensive

The fact is to all intents and purposes we know Axl didn't write all the AFD lyrics - now you are challenging that

Maybe you misheard what Steven said, maybe Steven just got mistaken - maybe Steven thought you were refering to something else

I don't know

But Axl didn't write all the lyrics so somewhere there has been a mistake. I'm not having a go at you - but you are the one that reported it

STEVEN: "Axl wrote ALL the lyrics for AFD".

ME: "WOW (I was amazed to hear that cause I knew what you know). R u fuckin sure dude?"

STEVEN: "Yeah I'm sure."

ROBBIE: "It's true man."

How can you mishear that? I am defensive cause I was there. I speak english and THANK GOD I can still hear and I heard what he said.

Maybe he was mistaken. Maybe not. I don't know. I reported what he said to me (which I believe).

Break down Axl parts and you realize his "songwriting" consists of two things:
1) Taking linies and words from 0-3000+ years ago
2) Slightly altering the timing ( without making ANY new words)

Even though I don't agree with the negative post against Slash's guitar playing I don't get your post.

I thought songwriting was about making new songs, not new words...

Im sorry but Izzy really is correct on this one. Axl never wrote anything for Think About You, that is as he said a pure Izzy song as a whole. And also, Mr. Brownstone is an Izzy Stradlin song as well. Izzy, if you cant find it on this site, i know without a doubt about that website you may not remember from a few months back where it contains background information on all songs featured on AFD as stated by the band itself. I have a memeory like a hawk and I know Axl stated he found those lyrics in Izzys hotel room.

The link to this site I know is on the message board on newgnr.com, but they have shut down their board for the summer. Their a pretty new site so I doubt there would be any problems finding the link when the board is active again.

Thanks for the support - i knew i wasn't dreaming this stuff

Axl had a hand in alot of the AFD songs but Steven is incorrect if he thinks Axl wrote all the lyrics - i don't blame him i doubt i would remember who wrote what from 17 years ago - especially if i was full of as much drugs and booze as he was at the time!

While i was hunting for those quotes i found something on snakepit.org where Slash claims he also wrote Mr Brownstone with Izzy......crazy

If im not mistaken, the lyrics as you said were entirely Izzys, and when Axl found the lyrics and took a liking to them and asked if Izzy had music to go with it, I think if memory serves me correct he only had rough work done on the musical side of Mr.Brownstone. So im going to take a guess and say Slash and Izzy perfected the music of the song while the lyrics were already long done. Your probably right about Steven, he was the most fucked up of any of the former bandmembers so I really doubt he can remember as clear as day lyric credits of over 17 years ago ;)

My point is that, sure Slash isn`t that original but neither in GNR is... they didn`t play anything that Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Aerosmith or some other band hadn`t played before, - it was the way they did it. Rock music is rarely that original it`s just the blues in new forms. The blues led to the rock who in the 60-70`s which led to the rock in the 80-90`s (incl GNR).

What I tried to say in my post was that Axl isn`t anymore original that Slash, what ALL guitarists does is take little ideas here and little ideas there and so do lyricest/singers. There`s nothing surprising about the fact that you can find similar riffs if you look the right places. You can also find the linies somewhere if you look the right places.




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That must have been a massive studio that they recorded Appetite in,to fit all u guys in there.. You guys know everything,but  then again i think u know shit

Yeah u obviously read exactly the same thing i did. Why Steven felt the need to say Axl wrote everything - is he trying to suck-up to Axl? Surely he remembers who wrote what?

To slashedguns - its not rocket science working out Axl didn't write everything - he even said as much (hence what we have been talking about in this thread.....)

You don't have to insult people that actually read up about the band

I'm with you on that.

I also agree with 'page'.   There is no special formula required to come up with a rock tune, every guitarist is playing the same chords, it's how they are played and put together.   It's very rare something that has never been done before comes about.

Not sure why other people can't like both Slash and Axl and acknowledge the whole bands contribution

Neither Slash or Axl put out the album on their own

I've been wondering about that myself.   If someone is a fan of Gn'R you think they'd have a huge respect for not just Axl and Slash but the band as a whole, it was while working together the albums came out and the music they made speaks for itself.   Together their talents shone, it was a group effort plain and simple.   Whoever may have played a bigger part in a certain song, and a lesser part in another...both are important and that is part of what being a band is all about, putting your heads together and mixing ideas until you have something that alone you may never have thought of.

You could have a good piece of music you thought of all alone, then a band member suggests something minor say a few notes played in a certain style which makes the piece complete, turning it into a great song.   Without that the song may have never been anything but a good song, or it could be reversed and you add a few minor details on another piece that was almost complete.   Then everyone throws all these other cool ideas they would love to fit into a song somehow into the melting pot, and together they create a proper song from them.   That is what a band do, every part no matter how minor is as important as the next, and credit should be given were credit is due.   Then we move into the deal of the frontman having a great voice and killer stage presence, that is good but it's better if he is backed up by a group of talented musicians, ie: a lead guitarist who can tear it up like few others can.   Then there is the lyrics but you get the picture.   Gn'R were so damn great because each member complimented the other on stage, and together wrote songs (lyrics and music) that will be remembered forever.

You don't seem to understand that this isn't opinion or rumor. Ask any serious/semi-serious guitar player. The notes are the same.

Except the difference is that Axl's words are not in the same order; the overall lyrics are original. My point was that Slash simply cuts-and-pastes (same notes in the same order, a little more/less time in between); none of his "songwriting" is inventive (or thus, irreplaceable). He uses a completely legal and common practice within the industry, but it probably detracts from the artistic merit and definitely makes his "songwriting" easily replaceable.

This really isn't a Axl vs Slash issue, but more of a difference between the replaceability of someone who writes lyrics to someone who writes cut-and-pasted guitar parts. Most contemporary guitar riffs are just cut and pasted, thus anyone with a music background is capable of repeating the same process. This is why it is not very hard to replace a person who writes the guitar parts for songs.... which is entirely contrary to what someone earlier in this thread implied (about missing Slash).

Ok, this is a serious question...have you ever heard any Guns N' Roses songs?  Show me where any of the songs on Appetite have been ripped off note for note with just the timing changed.

If you're just talking about chord progressions then you really have no argument anyway.  There is no way you could find a song that in some way hasn't been influenced by something else.  You think someone didn't use the Stairway... chord progressions before Zeppelin?  You think Tony Iommi invented the flat 5th?  You think EVH invented tapping?  Does this mean they are replacable because they just adapted things?  NO.

Yes Slash is heavily influenced by old rock and blues, but no he does not just "cut and paste" stuff.

How can you call this fact?

This is one of the most intelligent and true post I have read on these boards in a long time. Why is it so hard to realize that axl is not gnr, and neither are the other guys. GNR are the members who got together and wrote some great music. If axl is only gnr, and does not need the others, THAN WHERE THE F--K IS THE NEW ALBUM. Stop making up these lame escuses like lawsuits and all the other bullshit we MAKE UP to keep the faith. The new guys FILLING in for slash, duff, and matt, will NEVER EVER see the success as the old GNR period!!!!!!!!!!!

The new guys FILLING in for slash, duff, and matt, will NEVER EVER see the success as the old GNR period!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep tellin yourself that dude. Maybe you should think about replacing that cystal ball you've been talkin to.

An for the rest of you on this lame ass dead horse topic...

This GNR, the one working on Chinese Democracy, is called Guns N' Roses. Keep telling youselves this isn't GNR. But the fact is, this is. Your bitching won't change it. Don't get pissy at what Im saying either. I am just stating fact.

When this album drops, and it owns, as expected, then you can judge it if its a GNR album or not.

Listen GOOD. A GNR album sometimes means more than the sums of its parts. It means quality. It means R&R evolved. It means an assault on your aural senses, Axl's voice and all. It means getting your ass kicked properly. GNR is a state of being, and when CD hits you upside your head, and the myth is revealed, it will then when it can be judged a GNR album or not. If it contains the top of the food chain musicianship, vocals and lyricts, and overall quality of song and flow.

Chinese Democracy is said to be Guns N' Roses evolved but, it is Guns N' Roses.

I wouldnt have it any other way.

I will keep telling myself that until proved wrong. I have no doubt that chinese d. will kick ass. I cant wait to hear it, and I am 99% sure that we will not be disappointed. But Fortunately, I got to see gnr in 1988, 1992, and 2002. Sorry to disapointment you, but GNR (THE REAL BAND) was a R&R at its best. Talk about kick your ass, they defined it. I will NEVER be convinced, until I hear the whole album) that this new band can compare. Dont get me wrong, I Like them, and wish axl all the success. The point I am trying to make is this: As a fan from the beginning, I will NEVER sit here and slam the guys, who along with axl, gave us all the great music we know as gnr. The few songs the band has let us hear are not bad. But dont kid yourself into thinking that OMG, and silkworms, are the songs TRUE gnr fans want to hear! The blues, CD, and mady are what we want and expect!

Ok slightly off the topic of who did what on Appetite but like Izzy's been saying about the band being '5' musicians or in the UYI time a few more fact is all contribute.  Axl is happy enough to acknowledge it on the UYI2 booklet thanking Slash for Estranged i mean what Slash brought to that song on guitar was amazing but what Axl brought lyrically was equally amazing.  Every little bit of the band and musicians have contributed from the little things to backing vocals to who wrote what.  I mean i love Duff's backing vocals and listen to the new band and compare them to Finck's they are distinctly different what im saying is every little bit that they brought to the band was important with each different member on each album.  Like it has already been mentioned Think About You & Mr. Brownstone are Izzy songs he is one unsung hero not in the sense he did more than everyone but he made a big contribution like Axl and Slash and got very little credit outside many of the die-hard fans.  A band is only as good as all it's members.

A very good post, I agree 100%.

As for whoever was going on about the new Gn'R being Gn'R so we gotta deal with it, well they are Gn'R by name only because everyone knows who will be remembered as Gn'R, hint - not whoever the hell is in the band now.   Deal with it?   Well we don't need to man because there is nothing from the new line up in the main stream...and an album, well it's on it's way like it has been for however many years.   So what exactly do we have to deal with, the fact some guys are claiming to be Gn'R. :rofl:

what this thread turned to ?

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Dont act so innocent!  I could smell it a mile away that this thread will turn into an old vs. new GNR thing.  

I liked your original post, I think your idea is amusing, but it was tailor-made for the Slash haters to say "lmao! poor slash, etc, etc"   And what do you think is gonna happen next?

But anyway, it was cool seeing Slash pics on the main GNR forum.  : ok:

An idea for you: Why dont you make another photo story of a reunion of the old band?   :D  Now I would love that, and you also know what that thread will turn into.