Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Alright, I've decided to create a topic to discuss the Studio Cuts of the album "Chinese Democracy" used in the Boston radio promo. I think we (nearly) all know them and already heard them. You can hear it here: http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/studiocuts.mp3

 Here is what I think:

The production
The whole production seems enormous. I have noticed that the sound is very impressive. Like a storm. This is very powerfull. It seems to be a fantastic Studio Work.

The extracts of the 3 songs
- "Chinese Democracy" (the song): great open guitar riff. that song sounds much better than any Live Bootlegs. Could be an ok song. ?
- "Madagascar": The studio song seems to sound phenomenal :o. That song contains Orchestra like "November Rain". Strong Orchestra. great Axl voice. the whole guitar parts sounds awesome too. The mix is perfect. The entire studio version may be a future classic. Time will tell.
- "The Blues": GREAT Axl's voice. Once again, the studio version could be wonderfull.

Now Let's give your opinion.  : ok:

sorry but hearing 2 second sound clips of a song doesn't exactly give me any ground to judge it.

Where can you hear them at?

ya dude why am i the last to know everything??

ive never heard this allthough i dont live in the boston area and i work all day and have other things to do my internet time is very limited.

how can i hear it.

and to the 5 second clip guy, ive been waiting 10 years for these 5 second clips so ill takes what i can gets.  ;)

It's 20 seconds. You can hear the studio cuts here: http://www.newgnr.com/newgnr.html (Multim?dia--->audio--->Studio Clips)

I agree with what was said about not being able to judge 2 second clips.....But what is heard has very powerful production.


Man I am sick of talking about these studio cuts.....Just because it makes me hungry for more.

Does anyone know for a fact that these are definitely studio cuts? Considering how short they are, it is pretty difficult to say without a doubt that they're not soundboards. There's still more than half of the soundboards unaccounted for, and NONE of them were stolen until after the commercial would have already been made. In addition, "The Blues" clip sounds a whole lot like the Vegas performance.

Trust me. This is studio.
I know how things sound in studio because I've made studio work. I perfectly know and recognize a studio sound. LIsten very carrefully to Madagascar and you'll hear that it's studio recording. the mix is perfect. you can even hear the orchestra. all is "clean". same for the guitar riff of "chinese democracy". the sound is a studio one. It's too clean not to be studio work.

Wow!

That is of epic proportions. The man is talented like no other, i just wish he'd release the damn thing because he has nothing to worry about on the music side of things.

Are you talking about the studio cuts?

oh yeah another thing: an the end of "The Blues" the drums sounds exactly like the end of "November Rain". This is the same work. Close to the drums work in the song "we will rock you" do you see it?
something like "tic-tic tac. tic-tic tac". 2 times, 1 time. 2 times, 1 time. Listen to it carefully you'll hear it. Then listen to the 2nd part of November Rain: this is the same  ;)

Nesquick,

Yeah i'm referring to the studio cut, the vibe i pick up off the clip is "classic".

I have the same feeling than you. the same vibe. It's difficult to explain but I feel inside me that it's something amazing. THE SOUND (even 20 seconds) is really big.  well it cost 13 million $$$ so yeah the production must be enormous  ;)

I listened to that back again for the first time in a long while, I got very nostalgic for 2002..

what a crock!!!

maybe im a huge asshole but this is the first ive heard it.

i jumped to the conclusion that before checking the site it was 20 seconds of eatch song... huge disapointment.

(dont get me wrong the songs are not the disapointment, rather the legnth of eatch.)

was like 1/2 second promo of eatch i had to hear like thirty times before i got the picture.

this makes me mad at most, this shit is obviously done why doesnt he just release it before hes 80 years old and tours in a wheelchair.

Yeah Axl voice sound very good on the promo cuts

The couple of seconds of Madagascar gave me goosebumps. Axl's classic voice on the song sounded unbelievable. I hope a full version will be on the album.

Those opening notes to Chinese Democracy sounded much cooler, but I honestly don't care for that song at all.

And another thing to take into account, these little clips could be nothing but mere demo's so that's why it's safe not to base any assumptions on this compared to the final product.

I've listened to them at super-volume tons of times, and if this is what the album will sound like, I can't wait. Here's my opinion:

Chinese Democracy
I love how the guitar intro is toned down, then it blasts into the song. The production values here impress me the most. It sounds *just* like the live version, which is fantastic, and the entire vibe of the song just sounds kickass. This song will become really, really popular, IMO.

Madagascar
I love the "whining" guitars you can hear, and Axl's voice is super. There seems to be a very 'November Rain' aura around it, with orchestral pieces in the back, and the drum's/drum loop sounds really good. This is the song I want to hear the most (studio version).

The Blues
Axl does the "woah-oh-oh-oh" like he does in the Vegas version, a definite plus. The shredding seems to be a primary focus under Axl's voice, which really accentuates the end of the song. Awesome.

I cant decide which production nuance I appreciate more - the announcers voice or the crowd noise...

 :confused:

Am I the only one who finds this in-depth discussion of three 2-and-a-half to 6-second clips of questionable origin laughable?  

yes

It's been so long...getting 20 seconds worth of clips for GnR fans is like any other fanbase getting an album.

The blues sounds really great, but I would not recognise it to be the blues if someone didnt say so. In fact, how do you know its the blues, i can't match the part he is singing there to the live version.

It's the ending part, right after "what I thought was beautiful is only memories...".   : ok:
BTW, Booker, I guess you're the only one to think the "questionable origin is laughable". It's pretty obvious it's studio. Just try to listen to CD riff. There's a part without any other noise, or even any crowd or band noise. Everyone with good ears can confirm that.  :yes:

That was sweet the first guitar rift kicked asssss and madagascar did sound bitchin. AXL THIS IS 2 SECONDS EACH SEE HOW EXCITED PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DICK.

To really listen to it very carrefully and to really hear all the details of each songs you have to listen to it with a very loud sound because they are very short extracts. Put a super-volume and you will see that the whole production is impressive. Do it, put the volume very loud and you'll realize that it is a fantastic studio work.

The two short cuts of "Madagascar" totally blow :o me away everytime I hear them!!! Axl?s voice and the forcing sound! So "deep" and so coooooool!!  :smoking:

I remember myself hearing this over ten times in a row to listen to that "song" (even if it?s only 3 or 4 seconds long). Eveytime I?m "wwwwhhhhhooooooaaaaaaa!!!".

Believe this will be one of GN?R greatest songs ever.  And it just came in my mind that one dude mentioned in that forum that Axl was saying: "Those are only B-sides."  :o :o :o (don?t know if it?s true).


FrancisFarmer

Wow. First time I've heard these in studio format. Sounds fucking huge...I love the VR album, but this shit...the guitars are out of this world...Axl's voice is as it should be...fuck, fuck, fuck RELEASE IT PLEEEEAAAAASSE!


:crying:

yes. The Studio version of Madagascar seems to be fantastic indeed. We hear only 3 or 4 seconds of the song but it's enought to hear the global vibe, the global production and the global sound. There is a lot of work behind that. A LOT OF WORK. Once again, I repeat myself but the production seems to be massively impressive.

I'll tell you what has Axl achieved.

He drove his fans crazy enough so when they'll listen to a 2 second clip of The Blues or Madagascar they'll go nuts about it.

People, get serious. I've heard this ad before. All you can listen to is 2 maybe 3 seconds of each song.

If you can see an AWESOME production from 3 seconds then maybe you shouldn't be in the music industry cause then every band would send you their best 3 seconds and you'd be signing them a record deal...

 ::)

Axlgreece, I've never judged the record yet because it hasn't been released yet.
HOWEVER, I can say that the 3 seconds of Madagascar are enought for me to hear lots of things, lots of instruments, lots of ideas. With only 3 seconds you can feel the vibe of a song, you can see the style, you can feel the general production. Well YOU maybe not, but me I can.

Chi Dem's riff kicks arse! i love the sound of it


Maddie and The Blues parts got me anticipating hearing a final studio version 10 times as much.

i guess at least it's proof Axl has been doing something ;D

:rofl: :rofl:


Btw, in those questions we sent to Axl we should have asked him if the boston promo clips were studio, and what is his favorite gnr rumor

Well! This clip is just amazing! How can 2 sec. of a song can be so powerfull! I realy belive in this!!!
 And it realy sounds like Guns N Roses!!!

Not at all... I am amazed this has reached 2 pages.

No your not the only one ;)

If you don't want to talk about it, how about this: DON'T talk about it.

I never heard the boston promo, did someone have it recorded on the net somewhere?

Hilariousness indeed! Maybe I could judge it more if there wasn't the dude doing a voiceover over it.

Chinese Democracy= Great guitar riff at start doesnt sound like any old gnr stuff at start and it sounds brillillant
Madagascar= Great guitar solo and Axl has strong vocals on this track
The Blues= An anthem like november rain and it sounds like a classic

up let's continue the discussion for those who want to, on this topic.

dude this is to hard to judge because the clips of the songs are to short, but i do think it will be an amazing record

The reason we are getting so worked up about this, is because we HAVE heard each of the songs in full... Even though we've only heard them live, we know how the songs sound... And when we hear a short clip of the studio version, we can tell how amazing it will be, just because we  know how much better studio cuts are....

It not like its a 3 second clip from a song we've never heard b4...?If it was we'd be like ''what the fuck is that??'' :P 

The Studiocut is amazing, Axl's Voice it's awesome, i can't wait to hear the final versions of the songs.  ;D ;D


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True Enough.

Well, if you feel that you can judge a 3-4 seconds clip then I won't talk anymore...

20 secs clip.
Negative Creep;-)

Oh, could you please enlighten us humble humans where to find a 20 second clip of the studio version of madagascar or the blues?

Well the clips are only 3-4 seconds a piece... I think its jyst because the clip that was made was a total of 20 seconds...

just wish we had more

The link is down anyone else know where I can listen to it?

Yeah, the link seems to be down. Is there anybody who wants to mail it to me, or knows where I can find it online?

Try here, it works (click right save as...): http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/studiocuts.mp3

I can't see how anyone can confidently say that those are studio cuts. There are literaly 3 second clips of each tune, for someone to tell me that they can pickup "Studio Sounds" from that short a sample is full of shit. I'd be willing to wager heavily that those are touched up Soundboards, but then again, I can't even be sure of that with what little we have to work with in that promo.

I just can't wait till we can compare the album against that promo, of course I've been waiting two years for that so who knows.

I think I'll wait until I'm old n grey to talk about the studio tracks when I get to hold the album on my death bed,,

I don?t think they?re for album but Maybe studio cuts just for CM.

Corblimy!!! I didn?t know you were that old and dying in half a year or so? :'(

Soundboards? Ha!
How can you explain that the outro solo (by Fortus) was played for the first time live in Tacoma, AFTER the radios aired the promo?
How can you explain Axl's voice, way better than any other soundboard and with some effects?
How can you explain the sound of Finck's guitar in the CD opening riff?
I think you're full of shit. I can tell you for sure that those clips are from studio.  Why the hell is so hard to people accept this? It's like "oh, he didn't release anything anymore, so he couldn't put studiocuts - he didn't have anything recorded by that time".  :no:

I'm 89, and growing weak, cd was keeping me going, I have until february.

I made studioworks, and I perfectly recognize a studio work, a studio sound. The sound is like "packed", this is studio work. listen to the intro riff of "chinese democracy" (the song). It sounds  definitely studio.

re-visiting this discussion doesn't serve to erase time...it's only a reminder of how much time has actually moved forward as we come upon the 2 year anniversary of MSG.....Guys, really, it's still the same clip...

on Madagascar you can hear that the guitars are doubled, a kind of "wall of sound". You can hear different levels in the guitar sound, like a superposition of different guitar works, and a strong orchestration on the rythmic part. The voice is perfectly mixed (same in the blues). I know it could be difficult to understand for most of people. Myself I wouldn't have undestood that if I hadn't done studio sessions.

This is like sex for my ears  : ok:

I can see what you're saying... I mean I'm no expert or anything at all, but I agree with the voice quality and "wall of sound" stuff... it sounds too good. The intro riff to CD sounds insanely clean too, with no crowd noise in the background at all as far as I can tell.

Yeah. And the crowd noise in Maddie and The Blues are fake. All the other songs were used in their studio version too.
Nesquick, I understand what you said. I'm not pro, but I can hear those things... I made a Madagascar cover with a friend (you can download it here (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=16522.0) and tried to emulate the guitar sounds, with my tidbits. Some guitar work made by Finck and Fortus are really cool, but only people with good ears can hear that in soundboards.  :yes:

I'm? mad of that. now that's like a game for me: I try to isolate each instrument in my head and hear methodicly how each sounds. for example? did you know that there is accoustic guitar in "november rain"? during the 2 first Slash guitar solos, there is acoustic guitar in rythmic. ;).
It's funny to "discover" musical parts that 99% of people will never hear :D. it's like if I was in studio with Axl and that I discovered the songwriting process of the song? :hihi:

Wow, I never heard that before.  It's definitely there.  Very cool.

Agreed! I'm always doing that! I know about the accoustic guitar in November Rain (SCOM and Breakdown has it too).
Two ex: Fortus amazing rhythm guitar in The Blues chorus (you can hear it well in Boston soundboard or in Osaka bootleg) and Finck licks in Buckethead's solo in Madagascar.
Oh, and my two favourites rhythm guitars (both Izzy's work): Rocket Queen and One In A Million. Two awesome guitar work!
I wish any GNR album (even the old ones) had 5.1 sound... It would be really sweet.  :yes:

I'm sure I am able to discover more things than you? ;D I discovered that too on sweet child o' mine (accoustic guitar). You know I try to form a Rock band in Paris but everytime I jam with musicians I have the impression they are "weak". not technically, but in their conception of music (exept an extraordinary guitar player and an amazing pianist who has composed over 50 songs in piano? :o). I always have 10 times more ideas than the rest of the band. Once a band gave me their best track and I said "here is my ideas to improve it", I spoke 5 minutes, and then I heard fucking silence, I stopped, looked at them: they were blown away,? they told me "where do you find all these ideas" and I said "I don't know!"? :peace:.
You know I've never made music in my life, I mean A, B C D etc...I don't know what it is, but I know how to make something sounds good. : ok: (and when I say that "oh my god" sounds bad believe me it sounds bad!)
In my head, I have songs that could be phenomenal. Do you know Carmina Burana? ok, something as strong as that, with a Rock vibe do you see what I mean? But having them in the head in one thing, making them in real is another thing. This is amazingly difficult... :drool:

Easy tiger. I'm not saying I can discover more things than you, I just said I like to do that too.
About OMG, I know the mix was crap. But the song is good for me, and I can hear that through the horrible mix.
I know some Carmina Burana stuff, but I though you liked only straight rock n' roll without classical sounds.  ::)
I actually made some music, and I'm always trying to make it less complicated in order to other people can play it. Actually, maybe I'm walking with the wrong people...  :-\

1) I was joking come on? :peace:
2) hmm...yeah it could be the mix in fact.
3) oh no. I LOVE classical sound mixed with Rock n' Roll (bohemian rhapsody, november rain, madagascar... ). it sounds epic. I love everything (blues, jazz, disco, House music, bosanova, latino music, italian music etc...)? exept extreme things like big heavy metal (noize), or ultra hip hop or....Indus music. I took Salsa lessons 2 years ago? :)
4) a simple good rock song with a main guitar riff and a good guitar solo will always work : ok:

Do you know the song "blue hotel" by Chris Isaac? that guitar sound is phenomenal, like retro rock n' roll but incredibly well mixed. It sounds like if you were in a western. What a fantastic song. and the "pulp fiction" opening song soundtrack, do you see how the guitar sounds? that's what I also want to make. that kind of sound, but with a 2004 mix and a masterised global sound. That would be mind blowing :drool:

Dunno about blue hotel and can't remember Pulp Fiction opening song, but I'll search for it.  :yes:
Hey, did you like OMG live? 'Cause I'm sure if the mix was good like in those studio cuts, this track would be way better!  ;)

I think the problem in "oh my god" is the drums. it's too "sacad?". I can't tranlate in english. and the synthetizers sound bad, it sounds like a science fiction movie, like if we were in 3147, not in 2004. there are too much computer effects in that song. It's not enough "human" for a "rock song". but well, that's just my opinion.


chris isaac "blue hotel". man that song is absolutely fantastic. put that song to a girl and she will fall in love with you within the next 5 seconds. I think it was in 1990. imagine you are in the desert, the night, with a girl, on road 66 driving in a red car...

I liked the OMG drums, it's heavy and unusual. The "disco" part is very cool to me.
The Synth parts sounds like they are supposed to sound, but they mixed the guitars way too compressed. It's like there's only one guitar sound in the rythm, you can't tell who's playing what. It's a wall, but in a bad way. It's a true mess... too much going on, but with no place to all this stuff.

wasn't "oh my god" just a demo in 1999? I remember having heard that when it was released.
oh yeah and do you know the "eyes wide shut" soundtrack?
"baby did a bad bad thing..." I love that music style. that kind of guitar sound is very impressive in my opinion. If Axl could use it... :D