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The thing Axl doesn't need is to be compared to his former band's works (87-93), i'm sure this is what he fears most-that CD won't be up to the standard of his previous work.

Who would like to have the lengendary Guns n Roses name hanging over their heads if you were the only remaining original member who broke up that band because you had a certain vision of what GNR should be?

Some would rightly say it would help sales just because of the name, that may be the case but it hasn't helped Axl release his long awaited album, and beleive me it is a big factor in why Axl has not released CD.

If the music is good enough people will buy the CD regardless of the name of the band, they will definately buy it knowing that Axl is the singer and they will definately buy it knowing that this is an extremely talented band.

Look at VR, sure they got compared to their previous band's but it would be nothing like the comparisons new GNR would get, the bar would be set so high for them that i just think nobody could get above it, the CD would have to be that f**king good its not funny because their are plenty of people waiting to tear into this band's credibility.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing what he has come up with, i love VR but was slightly dissapointed by their first up effort.

This album would have been dropped a long time ago if he didn't use the GNR name.

Regardless to the very short studiocuts that already exists about the album "Chinese Democracy", I think we should be very optimistic. The production seems enormous. :o
Now, it will depend of what Axl decides to put on CD: If he brings back "classic Rock n' Roll"+ blues-Rock style+ piano/epic ballads well it will surely be a big success.
But if Axl chooses to put 15, 16 or 17 tracks like "silkworms", "oh my god" or " my world", if he decides to make an entire album of HORRIBLE techno/indus rock tracks, so we should already consider that it's already over because with that kind of music he won't sell more than 1 copie worldwide.

I hope Axl knows that a stupid techno/indus album will lead him to a terrible failure musically, commercialy and artisticly.

Quote from: GNRisAFD on June 27, 2004, 06:36:38 PM

The thing Axl doesn't need is to be compared to his former band's works (87-93), i'm sure this is what he fears most-that CD won't be up to the standard of his previous work.

I think that no matter what name Axl releases anything under the comparison will always be there regardless. Look at VR, everyone compares them with GNR and STP. Thats just the way that it's gonna be. If Axl were to release Chinese Democracy under Axl Rose and not Guns N' Roses, people are still going to criticize it and compare it to his old work. Rather then releasing CD under a different name he should just try to make the best possible record he can... something that he likes and is proud of.

Quote from: nesquick on June 27, 2004, 07:11:48 PM

it's already over because with that kind of music he won't sell more than 1 copie worldwide.

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Shit GnR is so big still in other parts of the world. Just ebcause in the states they might be considered old. IN south american, australia , Europe, and Asia GnR is still very big. Thats why they do festivals there the fans still love them more then the DROP D distortion rock that has taken over america.

If axl Released Silk worms, and 15 other songs like it I am sure there are countires around the world that it would reach platinum in. I am sure Axl could release himself singing in the shower and it would reach gold in the states and sell millions in the world. Because he knows how to produce anything and make it sound good.

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Who would like to have the lengendary Guns n Roses name hanging over their heads if you were the only remaining original member who broke up that band because you had a certain vision of what GNR should be?

WHy not? In Axls mind GNR hasnt ended.

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Some would rightly say it would help sales just because of the name, that may be the case but it hasn't helped Axl release his long awaited album, and beleive me it is a big factor in why Axl has not released CD.

If the music is good enough people will buy the CD regardless of the name of the band, they will definately buy it knowing that Axl is the singer and they will definately buy it knowing that this is an extremely talented band.

Why cant gnr have 2 great eras?{im not saying new gnr will great, they still have to prove it}. THe past did what it di and the new lineup can do thier own thing. ANd when the book finally closes, we can say GNR had 2 different kinds of bands that each did their own thing.

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Look at VR, sure they got compared to their previous band's but it would be nothing like the comparisons new GNR would get, the bar would be set so high for them that i just think nobody could get above it, the CD would have to be that f**king good its not funny because their are plenty of people waiting to tear into this band's credibility.

Axl and company know the expectations.

Although many people think otherwise, Axl for the most part hasnt ruined the gnr name.{yet}. He has taken full responsibilities in using the gnr name. Instead of just using the name and releasing an album, he has made it his life to assemble a band and create material that will serve justice to the past and continue the gnr legacy.

If he truly was a selfish prick he could have released a few new gnr albums by now without a solid band. Im not saying Axl has made mistakes, he certainly has...but I look at it liek this....

In the grand scheme of things he has set him and the new band up to either fail or succede on the material they put out. And thats a good thing. The music will do the talking. They have layed low and the mystique and mystery and curiosity is still there. As Stinson says....it will either be a sucesse or a flop....based on the music...and that is a good thing...

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Who would like to have the lengendary Guns n Roses name hanging over their heads if you were the only remaining original member who broke up that band because you had a certain vision of what GNR should be?

WHy not? In Axls mind GNR hasnt ended.

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Some would rightly say it would help sales just because of the name, that may be the case but it hasn't helped Axl release his long awaited album, and beleive me it is a big factor in why Axl has not released CD.

If the music is good enough people will buy the CD regardless of the name of the band, they will definately buy it knowing that Axl is the singer and they will definately buy it knowing that this is an extremely talented band.
Why cant gnr have 2 great eras?{im not saying new gnr will great, they still have to prove it}. THe past did what it di and the new lineup can do thier own thing. ANd when the book finally closes, we can say GNR had 2 different kinds of bands that each did their own thing.

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Look at VR, sure they got compared to their previous band's but it would be nothing like the comparisons new GNR would get, the bar would be set so high for them that i just think nobody could get above it, the CD would have to be that f**king good its not funny because their are plenty of people waiting to tear into this band's credibility.
Axl and company know the expectations.

Although many people think otherwise, Axl for the most part hasnt ruined the gnr name.{yet}. He has taken full responsibilities in using the gnr name. Instead of just using the name and releasing an album, he has made it his life to assemble a band and create material that will serve justice to the past and continue the gnr legacy.

If he truly was a selfish prick he could have released a few new gnr albums by now without a solid band. Im not saying Axl has made mistakes, he certainly has...but I look at it liek this....

In the grand scheme of things he has set him and the new band up to either fail or succede on the material they put out. And thats a good thing. The music will do the talking. They have layed low and the mystique and mystery and curiosity is still there. As Stinson says....it will either be a sucesse or a flop....based on the music...and that is a good thing...

Great post, great points. However, I think the word "like" should be officially changed to make younggunner's life a bit easier. What is it with that word that makes it so unspellable, its the mother of all typos. No other word can even compete...except "teh".

Thats brilliant, if the new album sucks he can just say "well the real Chinese Democracy (the one that took 10 years) is coming out soon, don't worry guys".

Well, it's simple to try to compare with the old GNR, not because Axl has the name, but because everybody expect good music. If Chin Dem comes, I could compare it with old GNR, not for the name but for the music.
In this sentence , I really don't try to start a war, but its different when a new CD by a group comes out, first compare it with today standard music, and if is good then compare it with old music(best stuff) 'cause everybody nows that today music stinks, like when the darkness came and everybody was saying is the saviors of rock (this apply to other bands too.)
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I think all of GN?R should be locked away in a hotel/studio environment.
Should not be allowed access to the out side world until CD is completed.
Once CD is complete they can all come out minus the CD pressure thing hanging over them and can speak freely about what a great album CD really is.
They can then do live shows and not have to bore the pants off all and sundry about as and when CD will be ready.
It?s dragged on far too lone now and Geffen should take action to sort the situation out in a positive manner.
Mr Rose sounds like he needs a good kick in the arse and should stop talking shit and telling excuses for CD delay, legal issues my arse! :beer:

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This thread is pointless. He will never drop the GN'R name - it's too welknown :peace:

Quote from: YouCouldBeMine on June 28, 2004, 04:36:06 AM

I dont know if anyone noticed but VR got SHIT airplay on MTV,MTV2, and MTV Hits. Rap, weird ass alt rock, and shitty pop/punk/rock gets it all. I

Slither is on VH1 and MTV2 alot actually....

Anyway, I agree with the original post. There would be so much less pressure and the album will sell the same. There are alot of people that won't buy this album as long as it is called GnR. He would get alot less ridicule too if he grew some nuts and brought this out as a new band, which it really is. There would still be comparisons but that is natural. He has already fucked shit up and made this band look bad. The guy will always be an icon no matter what happens from here, but imagine if he came out with this as a new band that was huge and the album was great??? That would make him a legend. Anyway, I have lost all respect for the freak. Having the nuts to come out as something besides GnR would be the only thing he could do to earn my respect and interest back. And before someone says "If you weren't interested you wouldnt be here". The only reason I am was because I was hoping there would be a Hollywood Rose thread. : ok:

The longer this process takes and the further from "Guns N' Roses" the music goes, it makes more and more sense to re-name the band or just go by Axl Rose.
Think back to the Sixties, Jefferson Airplane was a great band in the 60's, the band broke up leaving only one (possibly 2) original members, then went by the name Jefferson Starship, which got ripped apart, no matter how good they were (I'm not saying they were) they were crusified for using the 'Jefferson" link. So in the 80's the shortened it to Starship and released the 'biggest Piece of Shit' in "We built this City"...................It sucked, but did't tarnish the name Jefferson Airplane...most people don't realize it was the same people (person).

I guess my point is, let Axl draw GnR comparisons with another band name, but if he fails miserably he won't tarnish the name GnR with CD, and conversly if it is a hit , then he did it on his own............ You can be sure that if CD is a success he is going to hear that the only reason it sold is name recognition. How many times did you here people durring Rio, the VMA's and the 2002 tour say: "I thought Slash was still in the band, who are these guys?" Why should he be able to sell an album using the false pretense that you are getting "Guns N' Roses" (people think of Guns N' Roses as Axl and Slash), and don't give me that bullshit excuse that he bought the name. If "D" from this board had enough money he could buy the Gn'R name in a few years, and If I ever bought a Guns N Roses Album and heard D I'd be pissed.(no offense, I like what I've heard at dmusiconline.com (figured I'd throw the plug in there), but it's not GnR) Thats what 50% of the record buying public is going to get with Chinese Democracy.

Quote from: C0ma on June 28, 2004, 09:41:25 AM

I guess my point is, let Axl draw GnR comparisons with another band name, but if he fails miserably he won't tarnish the name GnR with CD, and conversly if it is a hit , then he did it on his own............ You can be sure that if CD is a success he is going to hear that the only reason it sold is name recognition. How many times did you here people durring Rio, the VMA's and the 2002 tour say: "I thought Slash was still in the band, who are these guys?" Why should he be able to sell an album using the false pretense that you are getting "Guns N' Roses" (people think of Guns N' Roses as Axl and Slash), and don't give me that bullshit excuse that he bought the name.

Please, stop with that. While I wouldn't really like Axl to continue using GNR name, it's his decision, not yours or mine. And please stop with that thing that few people only knows that only Axl and Dizzy are the only ones remainig from the old band. When you are in this cyber-time where you can find what is going on with your favorite band nowadays in just a matter of seconds (depending internet conection ofcourse), you cannot say that people doesn't know what's going on with GNR. And also don't say that people think that Slash was wearing a bucket and a mask (Slash has curly hair, b'head not) then if that was the case they will also thought that Slash has growth alot since the last time they saw him, and that izzy and Matt had a plastic surgery to look much younger, that duff has gotten small and that gilby has gotten a haircut with a mullet and that andrea andreadis(sorry if I mispelled) had a big lyposuction job. Baka!
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Quote from: C0ma on June 28, 2004, 09:41:25 AM

I'm not saying that diehards don't know who makes up the NuGnR. But Die hard fans don't buy 7 million records. When some kid goes strolling through the local HMV or Virgin Mega Store and spots Guns N' Roses: Chinese Democracy, unless he is a Huge fan, he is going to think Axl, Slash, and AFD..........when he hears silkworms he's gonna say WTF?............ why risk ruining a name that 5 people ( and as Axl like to call them, a few additional musicians) worked there asses off to create in one release by a solo project. Is Axl that nervous that his name alone won't sell????

And I'm not saying people saw Buckethead and thought it was Slash in a mask........they bought the ticket thinking they were seeing Axl and Slash, not Axl and Circ de So Lame. Most of the record buying public will think that an album by Guns N' Roses...is Guns N' Roses (Axl and Slash)

Quote from: GNRisAFD on June 27, 2004, 06:36:38 PM

Another thread about changing the name - great! ::)

If Axl changes the band name GNR ends, its over - is that what u want?

I want a new GNR album - i really don't care who's left in the band as long as Axl's there - he was always the most important member anyway

Changing the name achieves nothing - he will still be compared with the old stuff no matter what the band was called.

Quote from: Izzy on June 28, 2004, 10:56:29 AM

Quote from: GNRisAFD on June 27, 2004, 06:36:38 PM

Of Course he will always be compared to the old band, but why should the old materials place in history suffer if CD is a bomb. A giant egg in the name Guns N' Roses will only make what could have been the Greatest Rock band ever, a giant running joke. I understand he owns the name, but why ruin it with a possible bad release. And if you're Axl, why risk having a good release credited to name recognition. Axl doen't want people claiming that Slash's name sold Chinese Democracy.

Quote from: C0ma on June 28, 2004, 11:11:21 AM

TSI?

10 year delay?

Its already a joke - Axl really can't do any more damage to the name

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I understand he owns the name, but why ruin it with a possible bad release.

Again i will just say TSI (i adore this album - but to the world at large its a joke)

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And if you're Axl, why risk having a good release credited to name recognition. Axl doen't want people claiming that Slash's name sold Chinese Democracy.

Axl could change the name to 'Killer wheels from Mars' - change his own name and go on stage in duisguise and people WILL still compare the album with GNR

Changing the name will achieve nothing - he's gonna be savaged no matter what happens

If the album sells 100 million and spawns 10 no.1's he will still be attacked

Changing the name is simply a waste of time

Whats worse it will show Axl's a coward and can't take the pressure anymore

The GNR name will help this thing sell - there is benfit in keeping it but none in changing it

The haters will still hate

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When some kid goes strolling through the local HMV or Virgin Mega Store and spots Guns N' Roses: Chinese Democracy, unless he is a Huge fan, he is going to think Axl, Slash, and AFD..........when he hears silkworms he's gonna say WTF?............ why risk ruining a name that 5 people ( and as Axl like to call them, a few additional musicians) worked there asses off to create in one release by a solo project. Is Axl that nervous that his name alone won't sell????

HOw would that be possible? WHen GNR "get the ball rolling", they will have a single accompanied by a video. In that video he will not see the old band, he will see the new band.
ANd get this, if he doesnt see the video, he will still know its a new band because everytime he will hear the song on the radio the dejays will talk about it and tell everyone, and here is the new gnr song by the new version, etc...

and if thats not enough for that poor old kid, he will have photos and interviews in magazines to discover that its not the old band.
SO when its all said and done, people and that kid will know its a new band not the old band.

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but why should the old materials place in history suffer if CD is a bomb

WHy would it? It would only raise the legacy of the past and show that Axl needs the old members and the old members need him.
The old legacy is already set in stone. WHat they did was great and they will always remain a part of music history. What happens from here on out is on Axls legacy.
I ask you what if CD is a masterpiece and is just as good if not better than GNRs old work? Then what? Axl goes from being a legend to a god.

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Axl doen't want people claiming that Slash's name sold Chinese Democracy.

How would Slashs name sell CD :confused:

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Changing the name achieves nothing - he will still be compared with the old stuff no matter what the band was called.

Ive been sayign that since day 1. Excellent point and people should realize that already.
No matter what Axl called the band, the material and the band will be compared to old gnr. You cant escape that. Its a natural comparison. ANd in Axls mind, gnr hasnt ended anyway. SO why should he end it? BEcause the people who began it are out? O well there gone time to move on. The history of gnr is what it is and nothing will change that. Now its chapter 2. Lets see how it pans out.

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First of all AXL should keep the name Guns N Roses because hes worked hard to get a good band together.

I totally agree. Like I said earlier, Axl could have released a few new GNR albums by now with a revolving band. Thats how you ruin the GNR name. Instead he hasnt done anything until a band formed. It obiviously hasnt formed the conventional way, but these guys have evolved and gelled and all are good friends. They have worked hard in making music and hopefull they can continue the gnr legacy. What Im most grateful for is that although GNR is always being joked upon, when its all said and done they have set themselves up to be judged on the music they make....

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