Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'll start by saying that this was the greatest live performance I have ever seen.  I've been to over 20 rock concerts over the last 20-plus years.  I've seen the best (Kiss, Van Halen, Ozzy, AC/DC, Metallica, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, Rush, Judas Priest, etc.).

I've seen GN'R live 4 times:
- First in '88.
- Then once at the beginning of the UYI tour, months before both records were released.
- 2 more times during the UYI tour

I've watched countless GN'R concerts via video, TV and watched 2 performances from this 2002 tour via DVD.

Velvet Revolver blew the doors off of every other live performer.......yes including GN'R.

First off, Slash & Duff were sober.  I've NEVER seen them rock like they did.

Matt was unbelievable.  He's obviously spent the last 10 years getting MUCH better.  Dave was the anchor.....rock solid all the way through.

Now Scott.  My, my, my did he own that fuckin stage.  I got a message for Axl........."You need to step it up a notch when you get back out there cuz Weiland moved & sang like no other.  He outperformed you.......better than any performance I've seen you on."

The best way I can describe Scoot is that he slithered all over the fuckin place.  The music pulsated through him.

Axl has always been my favorite since the first day I saw him.  Amazingly....and I am shocked I'm saying this.........REALLY SHOCKED.......Scott is better live!!!.  Scott Weiland has taken over the throne as best live frontman performer.

The order may be off but here's the set list:

Sucker Train Blues
Do It For The Kids
(cover) Sorry I don't know what song it was.....maybe Negative Creep or Bodies........."Coming Home" was in the chorus
Headspace
Illegal i Song
Fall To Pieces
It's So Easy
Big Machine
Set Me Free

Oncore:
Used To Love Her
Slither
Sex Type Thing

2nd Oncore:
Mr. Brownstone

Highlights:
An all-out jam session occured in the middle of Illegal i & Set Me Free.

At one point Slash walked over to Matt...gave him a signal, the walked over to the mic and did a 5-minute solo using the voice-box (I forget what it's called...somebody help me....he hummed into the mic during his solo).  It was the best I've ever seen.

Slash was off on the first solo in Sucker Train Blues but NAILED EVERYONE AFTER THAT!!!

At the end of Set Me Free, Scott, Slash, Duff & Dave were all up front jamming.  Scott was doing a free-style voice solo.  AWESOME.

Slash even acknowledged how great the vibe was saying, "Man this is a great gig."

This concert was an all-out jam session that lasted 1 1/2 hours.....alot of it jamming outisde of the bodies of each song.  Prior to Mr. Brownstone, Matt launced into the opening of You could Be Mine before opening up Mr. B.

Slash & Scott ineracted with the crowd speaking to them often.  At one point Slash asked an audience member what his shirt ("Blame Canada") meant.

On a side note, the hottest women around were all over the  place because of the model searches going on for Maxim & Stuff.  There were countless famous people there.  A WWE pro-wrestler (don't know his name) was there.  I'm pretty sure I saw Dee Snider in the crowd.

Hands down the best rock concert I have ever seen.

P.S.  Hoobastank was actually good.  They rocked as well.

I'm sorry

Elsewhere in the board we are talking about threads that contribute nothing

And low and behold

ANOTHER THREAD COMPARING VR AND GNR

Why can't u just say it was a great concert - why does it have to be comapred with GNR - why not Metallica? Why not Britney Spears?

Can't we keep VR in one section and GNR in another?

This thread is simply designed to be controversial and will end in more bad blood between certain members

Izzy I understand what you are saying about how threads that deal with VR and GNR turn into pissing matches. However, I was pretty interested to read K-Rock's comparison. This is a real world assessment of two bands that he's actually seen live. The fact that VR made such an amazing impression -- even if it's the heat of the moment and may change -- is worth posting, in my opinion. Having read K-Rock's posts over that past few years I was legitimately surprised by his statement, and definitely it adds to my curiosity to see VR live. If message boards are not supposed to do that, then what exactly are they supposed to do? It's not K-Rock's fault if/when other people start tossing molotov's at one another with nothing interesting or objective to say. His post was provocative, but not inflammatory.

As soon as certain posters arrive you'll see how this thread degenerates.

I'm just sick of every thread being a comparison to GNR - its perfectly possible to talk about how good the concert was without taking pot shots at other bands.

of course its the greatest concert u've seen because its new, its fresh it just happened

i saw prince april 22nd and it was the greatest concert id ever seen at the time, but now a few months later i cant say it was better than the bon jovi concert i was at in 2001 or the kiss concert i saw in 2000 or the other prince concerts ive seen because they were all special and i felt a certain way

im sure after each GNR show u were sayin it was the greatest thing u've ever seen

just as if u went and saw another band u love 3 months from now it would probably be the fav

u cant compare a feeling 13 years ago to a new one u just felt, its just not possible

but im sure VR are fuckin amazing live! and id love to see a boot

Before I address the negativity and the pathetic remarks about "in the moment" and "how I can't compare how I felt"..........

Rachel Perry from VH1 was there.  I was close enough to hear her say that the Behind The Scenes and the VR in the making show were postponed to include footage from this concert.  So I'm guessing you all might get a taste of this show.  And maybe a recent interview.  She was backstage.

Scott stated that he wrote the lyrics to Fall To Pieces when he was in a "real bad way" and that he feels that it is the best song he has ever written, that it has the best lyrics, best riffs and solo on Contraband.

He also said that he was accused of never writing a positive song in his career and said that Headspace was a positive song.

I'm not making this a VR vs. GN'R thread.  All of you might.  I've been going to concerts most of my 34 years on this planet.  And I don't say after each concert......."that was the best".

Maybe the performance was greater than any of GN'R that I have seen because it was the first time I've seen Slash & Duff play sober.

Do you agree that those 2 playing sober could be 2 of the best ever?

And my opinion won't change.........and yes I can compare how I felt back then because I was there and remember everything like it was yesterday.  Rock 'n' roll runs through my veins.  My heart responds to it.  I don't forget the feelings......at all.

And afterthe 1st Gn'R show I saw, I felt that they sucked live.  The next was incredible with the 2 following being better than the first yet not as good as the second.

Again, Scott Weiland shocked me.  Every song.....every note played.....pulsated through him.  He didn't let up and his voice was "better" than on the disc.  You could tell he was on top of the world every second he was on stage.

Furthermore, Slash's performance on guitar was the greatest ever.  Eddie Van Halen & Ted Nugent were my top prior to this performance.  And yes, they were better than the 4 prior Slash performances I witnessed live.

So I guess that blows your "in the moment" or "most recent viewed" theory.

It always has and always will amaze me when people question other people's "expressions" or "feelings".

I'm sure you're such an expert on who you are and how you feel in any given situation therefore you must know me and what I'm thinking.

Maybe I'll witness a greater performance in the future but one thing is for sure, I hadn't wintessed one prior.

Edited to add:  This is not a thread critical of Axl and what he's been doing.  What you can take from my thread is that I STRONGLY suggest you see this band if they come anywhere near you.

One last thing:  While at the concert I kept thinking how glad I was that the original GN'R split up which allowed me to experience what I experienced last night.  It was that good.  And these guys together on the same stage ARE THAT GOOD.

Hey K-Rock, I have to grudgingly admit that Scott Weiland, live is a force to be reckoned with.  I am a VR fan, but I tend to be stingy with giving respect to Scott W for reasons that are rather complicated.   I remember Slash did the voice box thing at the LA show as well - it was awesome to see that.

But... about your VR vs. GNR comparisons:


So you saw GNR run its course (I envy you for seeing that with your own eyes).  

You witnessed GNR from its meteoric beginning to its sad end, and right now you have only seen VR's beginning.  It is fair only to compare the beginnings of both bands. Let's wait and see if VR's live performances remain top-notch after they have settled into their new identity.  

VR is also a mature band whereas the original GNR squandered most of their talent on the 'perils of rock n' roll indulgence'   I dont expect them to come to their concerts drunk or wasted (like they did in many of the UYI shows) because they are wiser now.   :peace:

Fair enough.

I'm just surprised is all.  I didn't expect them to put on the greatest concert I've ever witnessed with them being so "new" together.

And I will be sure to see the "new" GN'R when they hit the road.  If they put on a better show, than so be it.  But they'd better bring their "A" game.  If they do, and they're better than VR was last night, I'll most certainly state so.

Crackman

i dont question your feelings, if thats your opinion then thats great but goin by my personal experiences i cant place one concert over another cause they were all great on the same level

after the last prince concert i said "that was the greatest concert ive ever been to"

but reflecting now i cant say i was moved anymore or any less than the bon jovi concert, but at the time it was the greatest thing ever

Scott is great Slash and Duff are great, i dont really see what bein sober has to do with anything,the GNR boots i have they play fuckin incredible and move around like crazy and run and jump etc etc, so i dont see what bein sober could do to enchance that,maybe be more crowd friendly i suppose, but tokyo 92 slash runnin thru the crowd durin paradise city, i mean its easy to forget some great moments

and i disagree with scott fall to pieces arent his best lyrics im sure STP fans would agree with me, hell in myopnion they arent the best on contraband,i think YGNR's lyrics are way better but thats my opinion

im glad GNR split also, now we get two great bands

i love VR they are my fav band right now and i think they are awesome and id love to see them live or a boot of their show

when i see them ill be the first to admit if im wrong

but if he compares to axl circa 91 runnin all over the place dancin jumpin etc etc that is amazing, but its still  on a "i have to see it to believe it" level with me

D made a perfectly valid point and to call it pathetic is...well, pathetic


Ur not? - so these comments below were...accidents?



U came here to start shit - i'm pleased to see no one has risen to the bait

I would love to read about your views on the VR show - i love the band too and will see them live - but i am NOT interested and no one here is interested in another VR vs GNR battle - we have 100,000 threads on them already.

For the last time - VR and GNR are too different bands - why the incessent need to get 'one up' on the other band? If u really want to bitch about how shit GNR are go to a VR board - hell thats all they do there

Coming to a GNR board to say they aren't as good as another band is frankly pathetic - do u go to Metallica boards and say how Buckethead could 'own' Hammett?

You're kidding right??  You don't see how somebody's performance could be better when sober aka reactions, motor skills, thought process. etc. are much quicker or more in-tune with their mind.

Think of driving while sober vs. driving drunk.

I've seen Slash drunk many times.  Last night was his best work that I've witnessed.  Coincidence that it was because he sober.  Maybe so.  And yes, Slash was all over the stage playing his guitar hanging low......straight up in the air........behind his head.....sitting down with his back against his stack of Marshall speakers......on his knees leaning back on his heels.....standing on the small platform with his guitar on his knee.......standing on top of his speakers.

Slash truly is The Lord Of The Strings

The only person starting shit is you.  You seem like a very angry and miserable person.

I can't wait for CD to come out.  If it's better than Contraband than I will have 2 incredible cds in my cd player.

You need to face facts.  The world will be comparing the 2 once both bands are touring the planet.  My stating that Axl needs to step it up a notch is not a "shot" at him.



I've been on this board for 2 years now.  I don't go to any other boards other than the VR board once in awhile.  So, no is the answer to your question.

And this may be a GN'R board but it seems to me I posted this in a Velvet Revolver section.  Maybe if I posted this in the GN'R section it would warrant such negativety and anger from you....although I still think not.

Be sure to spew your anger in this thread as long as you wish cuz unfortunately the reply button will not disappear on your screen.  

If this thread angers you so much, and you continue to feel the need to make it something other than it is.......I suggest you don't read any longer......your day might be a little more relaxed.

To continue the theme of my "positive" thread:
I doubt anyone will ever replace Axl as my favorite studio-voice.  He is still my favorite singer off all time.  I've now seen better live.  And I'm still shocked and "high on life" after last night's performance even though some are trying......yes, trying.....to bring me down....or rain on my parade.

For those who appreciate my sharing of my experience, I'll respond or those who have "insightful & peaceful" remarks/debates......as random and I shared......I'll respond.

I am in total agreement with izzy here, the fact that your signature says, contraband 13 chinese democracy 0 says alot, why can't you just say contraband rocks, instead of comparing it to an album that you haven't heard? And i would comment on your review, but i'll take izzy's advice and not hook myself to that one.

The funny thing is that the so-called "keep the peace" people ("why do you have to compare") are the ones starting shit. K-Rock may have poured the gasoline, but y'all are the ones who put a burning match on this thread. And you don't even notice that you're doing it.

Oh i am fully aware - i admit i am making a somehat desperate attempt to end this endless VR v GNR battle so i can enjoy the VR and GNR sections of the board

I feel driven to this because it has become IMPOSSIBLE to read any thread without it appearing

Just wait untill certain other posters join in - this thread will become what all the other thread have turned in to, i was simply hoping i could do something to finally end this - and if this thread doesn't become another war zone i will know in some way i have helped this.

To K-rock, thanks for all the kind words u have for me, appreciated ::)

U post to intentionally annoy people then attack those that critice you for it? I'm ''miserable''? - i don't feel the need to login just to annoy people ::)

oh dude u are preachin to the choir here

slash is the greatest guitarist to ever pick up a guitar, he is the greatest ever my hero the reason i play guitar

im sure slash was amazing when u saw him and yeah i guess sober counts for drivin a car but i dont know bout music

i like that signature actually, its pretty clever!

however LTA is a great fuckin song i cant say otherwise and is the best ballad in my opinion

but scott sells himself short sayin fall to pieces is the greatest song hes ever done cause if thats so, his greatest isnt better than axl's worse

i love Velvet Revolver i listen to the cd everyday while im joggin or biking and i really dont like comparing the two cause i love both groups i love scott as a frontman and vocalist

but if people were dogging slash and suckin axl's balls i take up for slash, also if someone is dogging axl i take up for axl

scott may come close on his best day to axl on his worst day but if they are both on do we really wanna have that comparison?

thats like sayin richard fortus is better than izzy just cause he *was rockin harder and movin arond more* that isnt the case

axl's style of music is 5 times harder to sing than scotts which is why scott only does the easy gnr songs
so for axl to do what he does and still sing pretty decently he wins the debate

u have to factor in all those variables which u are not doing

id love to see scott try to sing welcome to the jungle and run around and shit, he couldnt do it
so scott cant be better, he's great, he's better than everyone out right now *except A kiedis of the chili peppers, but he isnt on axl's planet as of rightnow

I never saw GNR live, but judging based on the shows I've seen on video, such as the Ritz show, the UYI DVDs, I'll say this....

I don't think VR is better live than the original GNR was 1988, though I think VR is infinitely better live than the half-complete GNR band of 1992.  Many people at other sites with whom I have spoken who saw GNR live in 1992 say the show really sucked, the band had lost all chemistry (I won't even comment on the "new" GNR's live performances so as not to spark a furor).  And I saw VR live in Philadelphia, and they just flat out kicked ass.

 

It's funny how the band lost all chemistry. Shoud'nt a band that had great chemistry to begin with only get better?
The lead guitarist, singer, and basist remained...

Axl himself said basically the same...

"For me, when I hear certain things on the "Use Your Illusion" tour, I... on that record, it's... since I'm in it, I can hear a band dying. I can hear when Izzy was unconsciously over it. I can hear where the band was leaning away from what Guns N' Roses [had] originally been about."

the last half of the UYI tour was very ordinary..i dont think anyone wants to remember the greatest band of all time like that,,i sure dont...

I've read on boards that the "Dust n' Bones" leg of the UYI tour was the best leg of the said tour.
Wasn't this leg the last?

I've never seen GNR live, and i'm sure they were at their best around '87, '88, but didn't they even ditch the background singers and some of the exess in this period?

Just like u Dizzy, I?ve never seen Gn?R live.But from what I?ve heard from bootlegs, videos, and coments thsi  is how I see it:
1987:Awsome shows
1988:The best shows from Gn?R were in 1988.the band in their best moments.
1989:There werent that much of real (like with a complet long setlist)  shows here.
1990:No complete show.
1991:The last shows with Izzy in 1991.Pretty good shows until Izzy quits.
1992:Worst Gn?R shows here, lots of them with the band showing no chemestry between them.Axls voice is horrible
1993:the last "original" band active year.Some good shows but they were already losing the feeling.






Baby Slash//

My wife told me that she had never seen anybody move and dance the way Scott did.

What stood out to me was that Slash & Duff appeared to enjoy being on stage last night.  They never seemed that way when I saw them live before.  Granted in '88 my view was not that great.....I was on the lawn at Pine Knob in Michigan.

Last night was so incredible that I won't miss this band anytime they come near me (Philly) in the future.  I just might hit multiple shows near me......NY, Pittsburgh.....when they come back around.

And as far as comparing VR vs. GNR.....I think it will be great for the return of rock 'n' roll if it happens once Axl & company hit the road.  It will mean people and the industry are paying attention.

I think Axl will welcome the attention as well.  It is he who said, "Round 1" on the MTV special and I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed that performance.

It should come as no surprise that I feel that VR topped any performance I had seen by GN'R after reading Axl's own words posted by Booker (thank you Booker).  Not much heart and soul shined through those guys while they were on stage in the later years.  The UYI albums came as a big dissappointment to me.

I'm not anti-Axl...pro-Slash....I'm pro every member who's ever been in GN'R including the recently departed Buckethead.

Something to note: This thread comes from a guy, yes me, who thinks that Contraband is the best album since AFD.  My opinion is in no way designed to stir the pot around here.  It is simply my opinion and I believe that there are those around here who have come to appreciate my opinion.  If only a few...then that's just fine with me.

And hey if any guys from VR read this board on their downtime, then to you guys......"thanks for one rockin fuckin night."

But two very important members that held the band together were gone.  Izzy was the one who kept everyone grounded, especially Axl, and Steven made it fun for (at least) Izzy to be there.  Without those two, the band fell apart.  And success, and in turn excess, played a huge role too.  The fact that they had all these luxories which kept them apart as musicians played a huge role in their loss of chemistry.

i will give u that Contraband is one of the best albums since the use your illusions though, bon jovi and prince excluded because of my bias its right behind rhcp's by the way for best album in the last 13 years, it doesnt beat by the way though and to be honest its just ahead *ducks bullets* limp bizkits results may vary, i listen to contraband the same amount as i did that cd, and i love both of those cds

so it is awesome

im not judging axl by boots, boots dont do bands justice

i have bon jovi live from london and the crush tour and this left feels right dvds and they are fuckin amazing

but i have a boot dvd of them from albany and its pretty terrible

i think boots suck some of the energy away, i would like to watch a VR boot and make comparisons that way

Scott is an awesome performer, i give him all the credit

however the point i made no one read

scott sings a much easier style of music than axl

so  axl has to win based on that alone, suckertrain blues or welcome to the jungle which would be harder to sing and move?

thats why axl wins over most of the competition in my opinion cause his style is 10 times harder than scotts so the fact axl sounds halfway decent is a miracle in its self

Axl's singing style is so hard, he can't even do it live.  With Scott, you don't feel disappointed because his voice isn't 10 times shittier when you go to the concert than it is on the album.  

I saw GNR open for The Cult in '87 and they were a tight, conhesive unit.  A fantastic rock band.

I saw them in '92 and they were a shadow of their former selves.

I caught VR on the 2 night of the tour in KC, very reminiscent
of GNR circa '87, a great, cohesive outfit.

I have seen many concerts on video and dvd. And many audio recordings.

I have never been to a GN'R concert. I'd prefer to have seen them in the late 80's cos Steven was with them and so was Izzy.

But i have seen a few shows from 92 and 93 and IMO they were still a fuckin good band. The best band in the world still. I would love to have gone to a UYI world tour concert. But i'd prefer a late 80's show.

I think people get confussed with when GN'R first came out with AFD and then the UYI albums and the world tour.

The AFD era albums and the shows are the stuff of legend. No band IMO can match the intensity and power of this group at this time.

Wheareas the UYI tour and albums were slightly less better than AFD era GN'R. I found the group the best at around 93 when they ditched the horns section and came back to their main 6 man outfit, Axl, Slash, Duff, Gilby, Matt and Dizzy. These shows were fucking rocking. Next would come while Izzy was still with them and then the 92 shows when Izzy left and GN'R IMO were still getting adjusted to Izzy's departure.

But the UYI tour fucking rocked. No band IMO can match them at this point either. But AFD era was obviously better.

GN'R went from playing small clubs to arenas and then to stadiums. Not many bands can pull off a stadium show, I think GN'R were one of the bands that could.

The UYI tour was almost two years. How many big bands do that kind of tours?

I haven't seen VR live yet so I can't comment. But it seems like they play around 90 minutes, GN'R used to play 2-3 hours. Another factor ro take into consideration.

If you want to compare the two bands' live shows, I think you should compare GN'R the club band (AFD era) to VR. Both had one album out and were playing the same kind of venues.




/jarmo

exactly jarmo, thats what i was tryin to point out and failed to do so with axl's style is 10 times harder

let them be on the road for over 2 years straight and see how things are, no wonder axl's voice turned to shit, tha style of music for 2 years, i mean cmon


also its the difference in fighting a 3 round fight and a 12 round fight, if u fight a 3 round fight u can come out swinging the entire fight, whereas a 12 round fightu have t conserve and pace yourself some

and shit most of the time axl swung the whole fight for 12 rounds which is truly incredible

I was at this Atlantic City show as well.  A huge mash pit broke out during Mr. Brownstone.   Anyone who likes the old GNR must see this band.  I also saw Duff McKagen at the slot machines in the Borgata.  He was alone at the slot machine but I didn't want to bother him.  I would have if I had a camera.  It was a great time.

I saw GN'R only once, in 1992. And it was the best concert of my life until now. They were fantastic, Axl's voice was one of the best during the '91-'93 live era, Slash fuckin' rocked, so did the others. The only thing I didn't like was the drum solo.

I agreee that GN'R had 2 periods, a club era and a stadium one. You canno really compare these two because it's a lot easier to rock a small place than a stadium... I remember when they played in Hungary there were 60,000 fans! Damn, who can beat that?

I think that during the club era they played with more feel and they had more joy in playing, however in '91-93 they were much better musically. I saw some UYI tour concert with Izzy, and I admire his genious, but he didn't play with any feeling then, he was out of the band mentally. Gilby was a great choice, not a frontman, but a good entertainer. The UYI-Get in the ring-Skin N' Bones shows were not as raw and powerful as the earlier ones, but sometimes they played with an amazing feel, especially Slash. Axl wanted to do his best every night, he really did a hard work, but his voice sometimes were just horrific.

My only problem with the 3 UYI-era tours that after Izzy left, they played almost the same setlist on every concert. Weel, sometimes Steven Tyler dropped in, or a surprise performance of Nice Boys, but most of the shows sounds exactly the same...

And Velvet Revolver... I saw some of their shows on bootlegs and they had a lot of energy, a lot like early GN'R. It was a bit suprisingly, 'cause they are around 40, but it's great to see that they enjoy te shows so much. A VR bootleg is like a riot! I'm happy for them.

yep - it is the only fair comparison to make.  And judging by the responses, it seems that VR (an older band) is just as cohesive and exciting as the younger AFD-era GNR.

Some people enjoy stadium shows as much as club shows.  If VR ever does stadium tours, let's see if Scott W can pull it off.  And after their second album is out, their setlist should be longer and that does factor into their overall performance.

And last but not least, it seems that Slash & Co are determined to make things work and have the desire to be professional and put on great shows.  I'm not sure if they had that mindset during the late UYI tours when they were constantly drunk and drugged out.  I think that's the biggest factor affecting their performance.

I like the fact that VR doesn't use a keyboard player too.  

I'd go see them live if I had the chance, but they're not doing any town near where I live.

I saw GN'R live in 2002 and this was the best concert I ever attended. I must admit I would have loved to attend a 91 show (like L.A or Wembley) but I can't go back in time. Saying VR is better than GN'R live and that Weiland "outperforms" (did I get it right?) Axl is a matter of taste. I've seen the DVDs of VR's Kansas City and NYC. While Duff and Slash basically put on a great show, I was not impressed with Weiland's performance though. Like I said several times, I don't like the way he moves on stage and I've not been impressed by his voice live (I prefer it on the album).
If one prefers VR live over GN'R all I can say is: good for you, because you will probably have the chance to see them live again soon. For the rest of us, well...

Exactly!!!




I agree on taste.  Nobody has ever come close to Axl, in my eyes/ears until this past Saturday night.

I got the sense that Scott was excited because of that particalur show and the level of coverage.  Maybe he "a-rose"  :hihi: to the occassion (sorry  :-[ )

"I can hear when Izzy was unconsciously over it" sorry about my bad english, but what does this mean?

i was there also dizzy it kicked fuckin ass. where were u standing? i was the tallest dude there by far and wearing a cammo hat like 10 ft. back didja see me?

Are you talking to me?  I don't think dizzy was there.

If you are......no, sorry I didn't notice you.  I pretty much paid attention only to the constant stream of hot chicks walking by me.

The Maxim/Stuff model search was a beautiful thing!!!

I was standing against the railing in front of the VIP section about 50 feet from the stage.

The concert had a "stadium" feel.  It was outdoors, no seats.....at least 6,000 people I'd say.

He may have meant that he was at the Philadelphia show, as I was.  He should've quoted me to be clear though.   :)

If i wrote this cept saying new gnr were better live than VR i would get bashed left and right.  

i think it's time everyone accepts the fact that these two bands will forever be compared to one another. whether you agree with it or not, it just the way things will always be. and people shouldn't be so sensitive.

in k-rock's original post, he praises gnr by saying that they are (or were) the standard by which he compares all concerts to. he even states that axl was his favorite!

people are too damn sensitive.

I have been lucky enough to see GN'R 5 times live.  

I saw their 1st two gigs after the release of UYI (Worcester, MA) I think in 1991.  They were by far the best GNR shows I saw.  The band had been couped up trying to finish the albums and they just exploded on stage.  It was great!  

I saw then with Metallica on their stadium tour.  They sucked at that particular concert cause Axl was mad at the fact that Metallica got a better response.

I saw them on the Dust & Bones tour and they were decent, but not great.

Lastly, I saw them in 2002 and thought the new band was magnificent.

I have unfortunately not seen VR yet.  When they came to Boston I was on vacation in Maryland (turns out they played in Baltimore while I was there but I didn't know it until I read their concert review the following day - man was i pissed that I missed out on that).

I can't wait to see VR.

My question for you K-Rock is:

If GNR and VR were playing in Philly on the same night at different venues (similarly sized), which band would you go see?

-TyRod-

Excellent question!!  I only have an answer for the following scenarios:

If Chinese Democracy was released......I liked the album and Axl & co. were playing mainly new songs with AFD songs thrown in..........Guns N' Roses

If I had the choice of VR or the 2002 GNR show with same set list.......Velvet Revolver

After seeing VR and GNR post-Chinese Democracy.......only then would I be able to tell you which show I would see.

After reading the first page, I only expected two more pages of the same shit, so I'll just save myself the trouble and answer now.

I don't see a problem with K-Rock's review. He compared this show to many others that he has seen:

I'll start by saying that this was the greatest live performance I have ever seen.? I've been to over 20 rock concerts over the last 20-plus years.? I've seen the best (Kiss, Van Halen, Ozzy, AC/DC, Metallica, Ted Nugent, Aerosmith, Rush, Judas Priest, etc.).

......

Velvet Revolver blew the doors off of every other live performer.......yes including GN'R.

He said that Axl has always been his favorite, and that Scott happened to be better - he is simply comparing Scott to the best.
   

Who said that GNR was "shit"? And in case you forgot - this happens to be a VR forum.

Anyway, good review K-Rock : ok: It only makes me want to see VR even more... :-\

I saw the new GNR in Las Vegas, and I saw Velvet Revolver on Philadelphia and Atlantic City.  Since the GNR show was over 2 years ago and wasn't bootlegged, it is tough to say which band put on a better show.

I will say this though, I had a better time at the Velvet Revolver shows.  The people were a lot cooler than the ones at the Hard Rock in Vegas.

VR, hands down.  I don't want to attend a show and sit around for four hours waiting for Axl to show up onstage, and then play a set almostly entirely comprised of GNR covers, and then bitch about Slash and Duff.

VR did the opposite, they only kept us waiting an hour (which is bad enough, but still not four hours), played mostly new songs, and squelched the derogatory references to Axl in the crowd so they could focus on performing.

That makes all the difference in the world.  I couldn't give a fuck less which band is more talented, I support dependable bands.

I didn't think of that.  I would skip GNR if Axl comes back out on tour and continues making everybody wait so long.

We only waited 45 minutes for VR in Atlantic City.

so dizzy and krock by that rationale u would go watch good charlotte over GNR?

heres a helluva an idea, why not show up at the arena at 10:00 instead of 8? of course the time u did that axl would actually playon time!

i know it has to suck waiting but still yet, id wait 10 hours to watch GNR over some less talented dependable band

think of what u are really saying

u would watch sum41 over GNR just cause they are on time?

i dont believe that for a second!

The question was:

My question for you K-Rock is:

If GNR and VR were playing in Philly on the same night at different venues (similarly sized), which band would you go see?

-TyRod-


So, how did Good Charlotte come into the picture or any other band for that matter??

I'm 34 now and have kids since I last saw GN'R.  I can't be out till 2 in the morning or even 3......get home by 4 and have to be up at 8 all because Axl, for wahtever reason, doesn't grace the audience with his presence until nealry 3 hours after the opening band has finished their set.

And it's not that I can't per say but that I no longer want to.

So when that question is posed to me today......I'd go see Velvet Revovler a second time before I go watch new-GN'R for the first time, if Axl is till making everybody wait until midnight before he takes the stage.

I think that answers the question D asked me.  As Steven Adler would say, "thank YOOOU!"

yes, thats what i meant. sorry

this thread has degenerated to garbage again. It's a polite but directed slam of Axl and exhaltationg. VR bores me to tears; i wouldn't ever go to see them live becuase their music lacks invention. i would pay to see Buckethead open for a no name band rather than waste my time with  Weiland's one dimensionality. Axl plays stadiums and thus far only has done a few of the new songs: if he ever gets the new record off the ground, I bet alot of people will get as and more excited as some of you are for a decidedly mediocre mess like Contraband.

No but you took it upon yourself to mention it anyway. I saw GNR at MSG and it was an amazing show. They were perfect and the chemistry was great. HAve you seen new gnr live yet?

Are you a lil girl Dizzy? Holy shit. Vr made me wait as long as Axl made me wait in NYC. Like an hour or a lil more.

As for the "bitching about slash and duff". Dude he doesnt do it every concert. Over the past 2002 tour he has done a handful of less than 2 minute long rants before a song. Please stop implying that its part of his act to bitch about slash.

Axl only kept me waiting for an hour.

Why did VR play new songs? Um maybe because they had an album coming out. That might be a reason???

LOl and please stop making it seem like they squash all the Axl chants because they are of high dignity and want to be civil. They do it because they dont want attention to be on Axl, they want it on their new frontman.
AFterall they began to get fed up with AXls popularity in old gnr with the fans and media, they certainly dont want to hear about Axl even when hes not in there band.
WHat you really mean is you could give a fuck about Axl rose. And thats fine. BUt you know what? millions of people supported that erratic, unpredicatble, horrible behavior band called guns n roses. They were a band that toured the world and have sold millions of records. Whether a band is dependable or not people want good music. Afterall this is rnr not pop. BUt its your money, live in the greatest country in the world, hence you have the right to choose.

Dont go.

When going to a gnr concert you know a few things might happen:
1)They will go on late
2) You will see some mighty fine girls on the big screen
3)Theres a less than 1% chance that they might not go on
4) theres a 99% chance that you will get a great show from the band filled with all kinds of emotion and energy...and might very well turn out to be 1 of the greatest shows you will have seen

Scan  those 4 givens before you purchase your tix and balance  out your options......afterall your a grown man

good post. When I went to Hartford 02 and people began chanting asshole, i told them to expect that the show would start at 10:30pm; it was like that the whole tour.

Dependable is dependable but the mystery around axl rose will propel him back into stardom. Call it the Marlon Brando effect, but whoring yourself out to every media outlet or token pop performer will not emboss the rock n roll mystique that axl currently possesses.

Speaking of which, he died today

What?!  Wah.  Now, he was a recluse.  

Jesus H Christ, are YOU A FUCKING LITTLE GIRL?  Because that is about the 100000000th time I have read that stupid insult in posts of yours.  Dear God, if you're going to resort to insults, can you please, PRETTY FUCKING PLEASE, come up with something new?  JESUS!

ABout 99% of the time when i say it, its towards you.
So Dizzy are you a lil girl? :hihi:
Out of 1300 posts ive probably said that about less than 10x...but anyways...

And please dont call me God, I know you worship me and all Dizzy my man, but  I am not nor do I pretend to be the Creator of life. Anthony or Younggunner is fine..

my fault i read what u were saying wrong about rather supporting dependable bands

u were speakin of VR my fault, the way i read it, i misunderstood it and took it as any band as long as they were dependable


youre a lil girl is pretty corny! cmon! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

i dont mind waiting as im very patient so ill still take axl over VR even though VR are awesome, ive never seen axl b4 live and i wouldnt miss it no matter how long i had to wait

Dream on, chap.  Never will there be a day when Dizzy worships one who massacres proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation worse than Robin Finck massacres Slash's solos.

Ah but there will be a day when that freak robin has his own guitar solos and his poster with the text GUNS N ROSES, is hanging above the beds of all the fellow younggunners that will soon roam the earth.

I hope they who follow thy leader of the youngunners continue the spirit conveyed by thy leader and rise up and form a new generation of message board members. They will learn from thy mistakes. Afterall it was I of the younggunenr breed, to first roam the wilderness unaware of the community in which set foot, unaware of the rules and regulations, and mostly unaware of all the lil girls that roam this wilderness how easily they are offended and quickly to critisize. My followers will show the world that all younggunners can not only continue the spirit but take the time to spell and articulate thy message to fellow bitter confused neighbors, unlike thy leader who offers his good spirits into the fire without making it look pretty for fellow peasants. Long live the spirit of the younggunners.

As I said, Dream on chap.  


Pardon the oxymoron, but that was very creative drivel.   ;)

In the land of GNR, dreams are usually late but they always come true ;)

Throw in a lil nightrain and other beverages and thy God of Dizzy can take you on a lil journey as he shares his prophecies. Even though you are a bitter old man, the younggunner community accepts and embraces all with open arms, including you. FOr you have already stated you worship me and occasionally request for my spirit to help guide you. Although you are not a strong canidate for the community the gate is open for you to join before the masses come when they gift is dropped on the world by thy force name GNR.

FINALLY, November 2004!!!...........right??  Oh please say it's true....a real live album is coming in.....in......November??

 :rofl:   :hihi:   :nervous:   :confused:   :crying:

The only "Nightrain" I like is the song, and my beverage of choice is ice water.


Ah, so that means I get a free ticket to an Ozzy concert?



Wow, should I thank them all for the favor?


Dreaming again, old son?


Oh NOOOOO!  Me not a strong candidate for your little community!  HOW WILL I SLEEP AT NIGHT!  

i just watched vr at newyork and it was a great show

they need to lose used to love her though and add in you got no right, use to love her sucked

rest of the show was cool

scott is offkey alot and the backup vocals are subpar

scott is amazing live, he has great moves and energy

inmy opinion the gnr boots from 2002 are head and shoulders better but VR are better than everyone else ive seen live except prince,bon jovi and RHCP but 5th isnt bad!

I haven't seen the VR NY show and I have seen multiple 2002 GNR boots.  Of what I saw......Chickenhead & Birdman aren't even in the same league as the performance Slash put on in Atlantic City.

Regardless.....to truly compare live performances you have to experience each act live, IMO.

As for Prince & Bon Jovi- wouldn't waste my time even commenting.

or 'early 2005'...  They had to take time off for 'ego management'.  :hihi:

no u are right about slash, he destroys anything axl has in his band

Im just sayin if axl's vocals are a tad off like at the VMA's he gets castrated here, but scott was off key more than he was on and the backing vocals were pretty bad

scott is one helluva an entertainer, i was so fascinated with his slithering and dancing i think he is cool as fuck! i dont get people sayin he looks gay etc, i think he looks like one of the few true rock n roll frontman and rock stars

thats whats wrong with music today in my opinion, where are the rockstars?

look at hoobastank, they look like fratboys, nothin is less cool than some fratboy lookin dudes

i want Scott weiland,Axl type frontmen to come out! where are these guys hiding?

This is just one man's opinion, does it make it true? NO!

I see nothing wrong with the thread, it's just how someone feels, there are better shows then gnr, just look at tokyo, I remember seeing them in 92 on video and thinking they weren't near there best ,nothing like what paris is/was like.... Everyone should be entitled to their opinion on what their favorite show was.

I have not seen GNR. I wish to God I had seen the original band. I have numerous VHS, DVD, VCD, etc.
I had tickets for 2002 show but my bud Axl saw fit not to arrive.
I did see VR in June 2004
Comparing DVDs and live (which I admit is not a fair comparison) I would take VR and Scot/Slash/Duff/Matt/Dave over Axl and his hired mates any day.

I feel all GNR fans should relax and enjoy VR without having such negative feelings towards comparisons of the two.  If someone feels that VR is better live....say it.  Who cares??????  Guns is my favorite band but I'm diggin' VR also.  Open your eyes everyone, they may be the very best band out there.

I think that Axl Rose is better than Weiland beacuse I think Mr. Weiland, have no own style, for me is a mix between Iggy Pop and Mick Jagger, I've seen VR in concert in Barcelona and it was very good they also played with Izzy on stage, was awesome. I liked to know your oppinion.

For the member Izzy from tihs message board, remember that the reason you're in this message board is for Guns N' Roses and 3/5 of VR are from Guns so it's a bit normal to have some comparisons. I hope you will understand that

You ruined your post with saying Hoobastank was good. Hoobasank was one of the worst bands I have ever seen. Their Guitarist is a fucking douche bag.

ive have seen new gnr and vr a few times.. Both concerts were good, but the enrgy with vr was un matched.. Really felt like stripped down rock, very fast pace action without the extra stuff.. But both are really good.. it could be I am just so use to knowing what gnr was and having grwon up with them it was a little harder to get into.. No matter what anyone thinks if you grew up on old gnr it's kind of hard seeing axl alone with some guys you don't know covering songs that you are so use to seeing other's playing.. :-\

Bah, thats a filthy lie, VR maybe good but damnit they will never be as good as you say they are. They are Nu-Metal

Come on now. VR are far from nu-metal.

why you didn't think you were listening to staind :hihi: A big time grunge singer who rocks, and the rest basically from a great rock band equals nu metal :rofl:

How can a grouping of people be nu-metal? Nu-metal is a (very bad) type of music, not a formula.

Ha, don't kid yourself buddy-boy

they aren't nu metal......... That's just some lame label.... You don't take stp and gnr and get nu metal..  I guess everyone that does a ballad is emo too :D

My thoughts exactly! I admit VR aren't for everyone and are definitely a departure from GnR but they are not nu-metal.

Listen real closely to STP's and GNR's albums, they have meaning to them, they took time to make and they're actually good.
Listen to Contrabaned, its rushed, the singing and solos suck, Scott is a weak singer even compared to Neil Diamond. Scott is screaming in your ears for half of the time on the album and the other times you just block his voice out. You cant deny i'm wrong

Well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you can't say "you can't deny I'm wrong". I think Scott's a great singer and that he displays emotion in a lot of the songs on Contraband. You got no Right, Fall to Pieces, Loving the Alien all show emotion. And if you really listen to the lyrics you can hear Scott, in many of the songs, document his experiences and feelings during his time of rehabilitation.

Wooooooo, more songs about feelings, like we dont have enough of those already

Well, if you don't like songs about feeling then what do you mean when you say songs on CB have "no meaning"?

VR should write a song about China and democracy. Another one about Riyadh. One about Beirut, and one about Oklahoma. Don't forget about Madagascar. What a loser 'nu-metal band', they don't even have a fuckin' map!  :P

a lot of songs I like have no meaning to me.. Songs like run to the hills, or number of the beast, rolling after midnight, living on the edge.. I just like the guitar playing and the sound.. Everyone that is a gnr fan thinks music needs to be piano ballad and sang to you like some 50's lounge song that described some relationship..  I don't want maddys or blues from vr I want rock n roll...

For once im agreein' with Izzy here, just give us an idea and let it be, but im not gonna let you get away with slaggin' Axl's performance just cause your still on the high from the VR concert.

No fuckin' way!!!!? ?I saw em' n' they were awsome man, but no way in hell would i pick Weilends performance over Axl, Axl is the man mate!!

N' the new GNR (honestly) i beleive rock like no other......just my oppinion like yours K ROCK!! : ok:

Unfortunately I never got to see the orig GnR live (Other than the PAris PPV, but that was on TV and it doesn't count you can't feel the energy thru the TV ya know?)

But I saw GnR Toronto 2002 (A+ show), Axl was awesome,  just amazing, he was all over the place running like a madman and he never missed a note, he was bang on every time, Mr Brownstone was my highlight, I swear I could've closed my eyes and it would've sounded like I was listening to the album. Nov Rain is a masterpiece I was almost like I was inside the video. the rest of the band  sounded incredible as well

I saw VR in Hamilton, On, Canada March 2005 (A Show).  I was a really good show too. Scotts vocals were a bit low IMO.

But the band was incredibly loud. I was deaf for 6 days! It was cool ;D
Duff and Slash were incredibly tight as a Duo and I almost felt they overshadowed Scott. I think scott is an amazing Singer and I got to see him with STP once as well.  Dave Kushner really impressed me he had tonnes of energy. jumping and what not it was cool. but back to Slash and Duff, they played to the crowd incredibly, they wandered the stage playing to both sides and to See Slash stand up on the monitors was awesome, he's still got it IMO.

As a whole I have to say Axl's band put on a better performance. But I would not hesitate to see either VR or GnR if the chance came to me. Now If both bands were playing same night, different venues I would choose Guns

Shut up, really, shut up

You are really intelligent. Really.

Look at the date of the original post.

This is pointless.



/jarmo