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According to NME Jane's Addiction split, which means that Dave Navarro is available. He could be the perfect replacement for Buckethead.
a) a great guitarist
b) already acquainted with Axl and some of the material (at least OMG  ;D)
c) is well known and has credibility

What do you think?

The NME story
JANE'S ADDICTION TO SPLIT?

The long-term future of JANE?S ADDICTION appears uncertain this afternoon (June 23) with rumours abound they?re to split.

The band, who reformed in 2002 after ten years apart and released ?Strays?, an album of new material in 2003, have been on a hiatus for much of this year.

A statement has been published online said to be from all the band members, apart from singer Perry Farrell saying that their "volatile combination" means they will be no more.

The statement on Navarro?s website reads: "We know we can't avoid this anymore so we will give it our best shot. What's the deal? The deal is that it simply didn't work out. Sometimes things just don't work out. In all honesty, we have broken up and rejoined roughly four times over the years. Perhaps that should shed some light as to where we are now. We really don't know. We do know that we really gave it everything we had this time and we actually made a really great record after so many years of silence.

"That was definitely a great thing and we are all proud of it. We were able to do a lot of shows and travel and see the world again. We had some amazing times. Why didn't it work out? So many reasons. Some of them over 15 years old, some of them new and none of them worth mentioning. Maybe we are just a volatile combination. Maybe that is why we were so great. The bottom line is that we are all extremely creative and motivated people and I know we will all continue to create and work on many different projects.

I dont think Navarro will but it would be so cool though but he is no Buckethead so I dont know but nice thought though

I think if GNR really need a new guitarist but i think GNR can stick with 2 guitarists Finck & Fortus

If Jane's Addiction have broken up and Axl is still looking for a guitarist i think it is logical to assume that Axl will contact Dave - even if it doesn't get any further than that

Axl has repeatedly tried to get him to join the band in the past....

Dave Navarro gives me weird vibes.  Nice guy, but something's up.

If GNR need another guitarplayer...  :-\

Dave could be the man...... : ok:

I think Axl should try to get Buckethead back.....Just because the new tunes that will be on the album will have Bucket's guitar work on it,and as we all know Bucket can not be replaced,not by Dave anyways IMO.

Yup, Dave should be the new GNR guitarist.  :yes:

that would be really cool to have dave navarro replace bucket, i really like dave more so than i ever liked bucket, i think dave is really rock n roll, and a lot more normal, but i dont really see it happening, i see him pursuing more solo stuff rather than joining a project which lets face it has taken forever, and despite Tommmy's recent comments pertaining to the fact that cd might finnally be almost done we have nothing concrete from the band as to a possible relase day, but it would be cool if he did join and i certainly wouldnt mind it.

peace :peace:

Dude, next to Bucket, Dave is the ideal guitarist for the band. He's one of the few all-out rockers left, and his "weirdo" vibe would mesh well with the band. He's more than capable of filling Bucket's shoes (or bucket  :hihi:)

Yeah Dave is good. But i dont know if he wants to wait around for CD to come out, isnt that why he left in the firs tplace . I think Dave likes to be out playing music. Besides within the next 4 years Jane's Addiction will get back together

Dave would be an awesome choice. Axl if ur reading this, call him up!!!! :P No but seriously, he would fit in great with the band, just imagine him standing next to Richard and Robin rocking out.....that would be so fuckin cool.

Dave's comments on Camp Freddy Radio a few weeks ago wouldn't bode well for any fantasies about him joining New GNR.  NIghtmare stories of recording "Oh My God", funny as hell...

Not to mention his closing salvo:

"Not joining GNR was the best decision I ever made."

Stick with Richard and Robin and get this mother moving!!!!!!!!

Axl should front Jane's Addiction.

Navarro is too much of a media whore... look how he's been making a living without JA:
- His marriage to Carmen has been practically a reality show.
- He appears on real stupid shows(Funk Master Flex's car program) and pretends to rock out.
- He joined Christina Aguilera for some performance AND he was in a Puff Daddy video.

He's a huge sellout, he's superficial and seems to be even more pretentious Axl.

He's also one of the best guitar players out there.

Innovative and influential, a great rock star.

i say bring on Navarro, but the remaining 3 JA members are forming their own band

Dave Navarro sucks

That would fuckin' kick ass!

Dave Navarro fuckin' rocks!

Yeah, rocking it out on MTV reality shows ::)

Opps i'm sorry......

Yeah dont think Dave would want to join Guns as an official member. He is probably rolling in more than enough money after selling his soul to the MTV reality thing, and will want to spend some quality time with the new wife!

As for Guns needing a new guitarist. They are going to have to get one. If all the recording has been done with 3 guitarists in mind, its not going to sound very good live with just 2. Have to wait and see.

Jonx

So you have a problem with a man spending a lot of time in the spotlight, but not with a man who walks around with a bucket on his head? Alrighty then...

Hey if I was married to Carmen Electra i would be sure to let people know.

AND he was in a Puff Daddy video  Hell Jimmy Page was in a Puff Daddy video.

But anyhow ...Dave joining GNR will NEVER happened

Hes an option i guess for Axl to consider but I imagine Dave in this case wiill rather spend sometime with his wife then jump back into a hopfully long-term comittment in GNR. I think the general census in the GNR camp is that they dont really need a third guitarist, and as Tommy stated in his recent interview something along the lines of "Robin Fink and Richard are great guitarists who can handle the job".

Yeah - u don't need 3 guitarists but hell, we also don't even need 2 guitarists - one competant guitarists could lay down lead and rhythmn tracks - even a 2nd lead. GNR ain't gonna be touring any time soon after all....

I want something new from GNR - i don't want AFD again and i think three guitarists is an exciting prospect and i hope Axl finds a new one.

Come on.. he's a joke..nobody take this guy seriously.. :-\

I hope you're kidding...

He's probably the most highly respected player of the alterna/modern rock era..

I don't think he'll be wanting to break up Camp Freddy anytime soon either

dave is good but to me he and finck are sorta the same type of guitarist

buckethead worked cause he was a different style than finck and fortus

i hope axl sticks with what he has
but if it helps axl out im for anyone joining

Actually, they're not...

Navarro has been a creative force in one of the most influential bands of last 20 years.  Finck, though I love the guy, has been nothing more than a hired gun for his entire career.  That could change when/if CD is ever released, but until then, he is what he is.

As I said before, Navarro is a mere pipedream as a potential member of GNR, his comments about Axl on Camp Freddy Radio were none too kind, basically referring to his sessions during the recording of OMG as nothing short of a creative and professional nightmare.

I really am not too sure about axl's current guitar players, technically yes, buckethead is great, but sometimes certain guitar players and singers just don't mix. I think that if buckethead was The guy, this album would have been out much sooner.  From what i've heard from buckethead, i'm not sure he can write great tunes for a lead singer, we have not heard anything he's done with gn'r. I don't think the songs played live so far were even written by him, or were they? I like the solo in chinese democracy and the guitar in the blues, but i've gotta hear more than that. I think zakk wylde would have been a better choice because imo he fits axl's style better, navarro too, but there is no way in hell he would join. I think axl should give the former guitar player of buckcherry a chance, I really like his stuff, and he writes some really good rock music.

You guys are so damn closed minded. Wake up! Dave Navarro is not a guitar god, he isnt one of the most influencial guitarists. Just because someone has their mug shown on MTV all day doesn't automatically make some icon of the generation.
There are professional musicians who  can play better than  those guys, the difference is that the public always needs a hero, and its usually the guy who sleeps with models, not te guy who plays good music.

And to those people that say Buckethead is the most talented guitarist? You're crazy, or just really ignorant. Most of you didn't even know who Buckethead is until GnR. He comes on stage, plays a few solos and people are already taking off their pants for him.  

If you want to have one of the most skilfull musicians, stop trying to find them on MTV or MuchMusic.
 

Even if that was true, it still wouldn't mean anything. Madonna is highly respected for her role in pop music, that doesn't say much about the public's credibility.

well captain obvious. First you bitch at people for liking navarro because you think he is too mtv. Then you bitch at people for liking buckethead even though we have no clue who he is. Nobody's saying they are the greatest ever. But they are giving opinions based on what they heard. And i think both of them are fantastic, and how can you judge someone you've never heard? Are we supposed to go, hey, there's a guy out their that I have never heard, but he is the shit. And as far as people that I know and have heard, buckethead is a really talented artist. And Dave Navarro has been influential on rock. He wasn't getting all that much attention when he was in jane's, maybe he gets all of this attention because people have heard what he has to offer and reallly like him and want to work with him.

And you tell us to stop watching mtv and much music for all of the talent. What are we supposed to become talent scouts? I listen to alot of music that is unheard of, i like very few, some times the reason nobody knows about a band is because they SUCK!

Yea I agree. I doubt he would be too interested in working with Axl.

Uh, you're "Obviously" uninformed on you're evaluation of Navarro.  He's been on the scene nearly 20 years and was considered an alterna rock guitar icon long before he ever had "his mug shown on MTV"....

Skillful and influential are hardly synonymous.  Steve Jones is living proof of that....

Go buy a Janes record or "Never Mind The Bollocks", you might learn a thing or 2...

Dave Navarro SUCKS!!!  So does Jayne's Addiction.  You people are fools.

You can like Buckethead all you want, but some people like to freely claim him to be the most talented guitarist out there. Don't tell me people haven't said this because they did, often raising him on a pedistule, making extreme statements, generalisations and all that other crap. Do you even want to argue about that?

My point was that it goes to show that there is a whole world of unknown artists who are usually much more dedicated to their art than the ones we see on tv, if you haven't heard them, fine, just don't make a superman out of someone who is world famous solely because you can't think of too many people who are better.



Yeah, that's my point: skill and influence are not always related, especially when it comes to today's fanbase.  If you would say Dave Navarro is the most skillful guitarists out there, that would be pretty funny. Instead, you choose the safe route by saying he is one of the most influencial. Well that would be very great if it actually had any significance. Boy George is influencial, Slipknot is influencial, Michael Bolton is influencial. This word gets thrown around so much due to its ambiguity that it practically means nothing.

i dont personally like janes addiction

dave dont hold a candle to john frusciante of the chili peppers, that man is the real fuckin deal!

Influence is far more significant than whatever point you're trying to convey.

Exactly what point are you trying to make anyway?


In your last couple of posts tried to minimize Madonnas relevence on the pop culture scene and deem Slipknot, Michael Bolton and Boy George as influential.

Credibility shot...

A for honesty

F for public relations

People that get all excited over the possibility of Dave Navarro joining GNR are fools though. :hihi:

Dave Navarro has a new band already. No matter what you fanboys think he wont be joining Axl Rose's band.

What the fuck are you talking about,who the hell would want Dave Navarro joining Guns N' Roses,everyone knows that he sucks :P

Dave doesnt suck, why would Red Hot Chili Peppers, Janes addiction, and GnR all wanted his talent. Hes a very talented guy

I think Dave would make a great asset to GNR, Ive always love him  : ok:

I agree.  I think Dave is cool and far better for GnR than any of the others.  Not only that but he has a fuckin' hot wife and we would likely see more of her here if Dave was in GnR :D

Hehe

mmmmm.... Carrrrrrrmen......

My point is that you made Dave Navarro into some sort of god using words like influential, legend, most respected, era, etc. When in reality, none of these deal with his skill, just how the mass public views him. If you think that this is far more
significant than a man's actual musical ability, than we must be on two opposite spectrums.

I didn't make him into those things, he's had those attributes for quite a long time.


He's obviously a fine player, his resume and his body of work are impeccable.  His peers hold him in the highest regard and that speaks for itself.


:yes:

Dave is cool  :D

He is not currently involved with gnr though

I agree. Ah well, he's fucking Carmen Electra, so obviously something IS up.  ;D

 :hihi:I think that so funny,great post :rofl:

He already has a new band. Plus he has camp freddy on the side.

Bring back the one and only Buckethead or Axl shows us on his guitar  : ok:

yeah thats why the chili's booted his ass out after one cd


i dont want dave in the group to be honest, i like dave he's a cool guy, but not for GNR

Actually, I think Dave left the band because his style of playing doesn't go with the Chilis funk rock ways.  If you listen to how they talk about him you'll hear they hold him high.

Dave's a great player, his stuff on Oh My God was nice too..

they didn't "boot his ass out", he quit to rejoin Jane's Addiction. Flea actually went along with him for a while, touring with Jane's in 97. the relapse tour.

Anthony said something like that he enjoyed working with Dave, he gave the band a completely different sound and stuff, and that it usually takes one or two albums to get into it and start making incredible music when there is a new person in the band.
I personally think that if RHCP had released another album with Dave, it would have been awesome!
but anyways, Im glad he rejoined Jane's, cos there is a certain other guitarplayer that already fits like a glove with the music RHCP are making, and there will never be a better fit for the band than him, John Frusciante, apart from Hillel Slovak maybe... :P :peace:

Whatever you thought was being implied is irrelevant, because those words are true.  He is influential, very respected, etc.  Anybody familiar with music over the past 17 years knows this.


 :confused:

The public views him that way because of his skill.  Read some reviews for Nothing's Shocking.  Better yet, listen to the album.  If you dont like it, whatever, but at least understand its importance and why its seen as a classic.  Axl himself has praised Janes Addiction and Navarro in particular, so theres obviously something there.  If you can listen to his work on the Janes albums and not get it, then thats too bad, and theres nothing more to say.

Ok there buddy, don't make it sound like some common law that every person should be aware of. If you think he's a legend because a handful of people said so, I'm not going to argue with this.

This little gem is obviously a little more than a stretch:



Booker, I feel you didn't even read the rest of the thread. We just had a discussion about this: "skill and influence are hardly synonymous"...something on which Flacon and I both agree on, surprisingly.  If you ask people in the popular music industry today on whether they find Andres Segovias or Django Reinhardt influencial, you would get less positive results than in the case of Navarro, Van Halen or Slash. Now lets ask ourselves...out of those, which ones are the better guitarists?

Okay, forget about the "legend" thing (not a word I would use anyway).  Are you really going to argue that hes not respected by many of his peers and critics?  That he and Janes Addiction dont have tons of respect and arent credited with breaking alternative hard rock into the mainstream?


Okay, well name some guitar players from that scene/era that are more respected.  Now youre going to argue that hes not even one of the most respected alternative guitar-players?


We are talking about rock guitarists right, and who should play for Guns N' Roses?

Better is subjective...Id rather listen to a GNR/Janes Addiction record than a classical guitar record - I guess you feel differently.

I dont get your point - what is it?  That Dave Navarro isnt a skilled guitarist?  That hes not worthy of playing in GNR (despite playing in GNR)?  What is it?

The quote exactly said: "He's probably THE most highly respected player..." and yes I am arguing that since it is another generalisation people like to throw around. Some names? Noel Gallagher, Stone Gossard, Jerry Cantrell, John Frusciante, Rich Robinson, Lenny Kravitz and many more.


Im not saying Dave Navarro is a no-talented hack or that he shouldn't play for GnR.  If he did, I wouldn't care. I'm saying people shouldn't make extreme statements and over exaggerated generalisations. I didn't expect this to turn into what it did, so lets leave it at that, we got other things to argue about (like axl's hair)   :smoking:

I just heard that he and 1 or 2 (?) of the Janes Addiction members are forming a new band ?

I've been saying his for days

Cool.. which band members?!

Perkins (drummer) and the bassist from the last tour, (I think it was chris chaney)

All we need now is for perry to keep the name Janes Addiction and we could have are selves another GN?r and VR thing going on.  :hihi: