Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Was it
1.Axl and his Ego
2.Slash
3.Duff
4.Gilby
5.Matt
6.Dizzy
7.Steven or Izzy
8.Media
9.Managment
10.Fans
or 11. a combanation of all
12.The band

I think it was the band because Axl wanted to keep them together but he wanted to change there style of music and they didn't and left Axl but Axl still has a part of the spilt they could of easily over comed this but what does it matter we have a GN'R and VR

i think the beggining of the end (of the old line up) was when izzy left.

GnR didnt break up :hihi:, people just left

then people stept in

Axl and his ego

I just think they got to big. GNR was never ment to be an arena-size band. And from the beginning they where like a bomb destined to explode - that was also what made them so great. The fire and energi. The diffences was what made the band great, but also what breaked it up.

But if i had to choose one of the mentioned i must say Axl. As someone said, when izzy left it was the beginning of the end. Same if Axl, Slash or Duff had left. Maybe they could have kept the together if Izzy stayed and Axl just got a grip, but I don`t think they would ever made as great albums again - it was over.

Axl wanted to get more modern sounding and the others didn`t. I`m not to say what would have been the right desicion but they where like 3 (slash, duff and matt) against one - why did he had to have his way? and not the others?

Maybe this is the best way? Velvet Revolver makes som kick-ass rock (not as great as GNR but still fucking great) and we can all hope that Axl comes out with a good album someday (just wish he wouldn`t use the GNR name, but hey thats just me)

Fans.

Fans demand things that bands can't deliver, bands crumble under the pressure.

Well said Page.

The main gripe i have with Axl at the moment is the use of the GNR name.

Hey GNRisAFD, I dont have a problem with Axl using the name, its not like he just woke up one day and said FUCK IT, im gonna start a new band and im gonna call it Guns n' Roses, he didnt.

Once an official member has left they where replaced at once pretty much.
If Slash n' Duff thought it was Guns n' Roses after they fired Steven n' then after Izzy left, what in the fuck makes them think its not gonna be Guns n' Roses without them.
Thats where they made the mistake of all their bashing today in interviews saying its NOT GNR, to me that sounds like there saying they were more GNR then anyone, sounds stuck up to me.
im off topic alittle but the members who left the band are the one's who killed it, not Axl.

I understand it still might be wrong to alote of people but its for the right reasons and thanx Axl for staying strong mate : ok: : ok:

just release somethin' please ::)

Axl broke them up. I think he got into drugs(started smoking pot :nervous:) and the rest of the band could not handle it. ;D
Actually I think V.R. ROCKS meanwhile Axl was last seen in the unemployment line. :o

Remember the only reason Axl got the rights to the name is cause he refused to go on stage unless the others signed over the name... oh yeah what a great guy...the others are such idiots, thinking bout the fans and wanting to play music....bastards

About Slash and Duff thinking it was still GNR after Izzy and Steven left, well they where still 3 members of the original lineup wasn`t they.. now there`s one..if popcorn called his band GNR would that be ok with you? he don`t have the legal rights but morally he has the same rigths as axl

You are right. if Axl quits today, Finck & Co. will have every right to call themselves Guns N' Roses, 'cause they just changed the singer.  :yes:  ???  ???  ???

Brilliant point

Exactly. Maybe you're joking, don't know, but in fact that's what I think.

Same here, it wasn't exactly anyone's fault, Axl & Slash just didn't get along n' that was it.

Cause these 5 talented men didn't work together as well as they did in late 80's.

That's the answer in a shorten version.

yoko ono

Well when Steve left I believe GNR was Better. I hate steven... keeep touring and Ripping off Axl......

I think IZZY was the key. He might not of been the best guitarist on stage but his WRITTING was unmatched.

To me it's  Slash and Duff and Izzy. Especially Slash. The reason is simple. They fucking left GNR. In my opinion it is like a family. What do you do when there is a disagreement or a problem in the family? you have patience and try to solve things. Leaving is the easiest way.
If they have stayed Axl couldn't have control of GNR and do what he wanted. I think with time they will have settled their differences.
They just fucking left and i take no fucking sorry from slash. What did he do musically after he left except now with VR. Nothing Fucking nothing having signifficance. Why he didn't stay in GNR and have fucking projects!!!!. Fuck. Nobody drove them out. They wanted to leave!!!

If they have stayed and then AXL FIRED THEM Then He would have been the fucking reason for the split and the asshole. I am sure AXL would have never fired any Original Member on His own. With Steven it was a collective decision

They just left. Fuck Them. Without them i know that GNR is not the same but as i said there is no fucking sorry for me.

Isn?t she a bit overrated? :hihi:
On topic, What Clinton, Fuckin? Gunner and GNROSAS said is the fact we can get from what they say but why they left?  
Purhaps No 11 and possibly they?d finished their role in GNR. :peace:

i think it mite well have been steve, he did fuck things up, but then it mite also be izzy, not his fault, just when he left, axl gets alot of shit [some of it he doesnt deserve] now hes become a scape goat for everything thats wrong with "guns n roses"

I think it was Axl's wanting to explore different styles of music. But even if it was Axl's ego, ego is something that you'll eventually come across in a business like that. And if Slash, Duff, and Matt didn't wanna have to put up with ego, then I think they made a bad choice choosing Scott Weiland as their frontman.  ::)

I will give you the real answer drugs and booze :smoking: :beer:

Axl outgrew the rest

Well said.

the iron fist ;)

I would say the same drugs/alcohol that made AFD so great and powerful, took the band to new places but ripped all the members apart

I don't blame Izzy.   Izzy is a fantastic song writter and played a huge part in making Gn'R what they were.   He wasn't enjoying the fame, maybe he wasn't made for it but he gave us some great memories and songs.   I do not blame Izzy for parting ways with the band, if he wasn't happy then he had every right to do so and I wished him the best.

I don't blame Slash or Duff.   Both are huge rock stars and back in the day were commited to Gn'R, they are both great musicians and are now tearing it up with Velvet Revolver.   Their love for rock and roll never died, what happened was Axl wanted to take the band in a new direction, one they didn't agree with.   They are rock and roll players, not industrial or whatever else Axl was thinking of when he decided to take the band in a new direction.   They didn't up and leave, they went on and eventually when it became clear Axl wanted to take the band in a new direction and that was that, they went their seperate ways.

I do blame Axl Rose.   Not for wanting to take a new direction in music but for deciding it all on his own and all but saying, it was his way or the high way.   Surely changing the direction of a band should be a group decision, but no not with Axl Rose.   It is quite clear that Axl does what he wants, when he wants and if you don't agree he stand his ground and waits until he can do it without you or your blessing.

Slash, Duff and Matt Sorum still love rock and roll and are making music together, the relationship between those guys and their desire to make music is still in working order.   Izzy has no problem with any of those guys as far as I know, and at one point was helping with Velvet Revolver's song writting.   That leaves Axl, I don't hate the guy but it never seems to point to anything but him being the problem.

It is all history anyway, and I still love Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Sorum and Adler.

I think they met up with Yoko Ono on the Asian leg of the UYI tour and SHE RIPPED THEM APART

Axl and his ego.But the cracks began to show after izzy left.

and page your right Axl should not use the GNR name
I want to hear the new album but i wish he would stop calling his band GNR because it isn't.

Yeah thats been debated so much, the guy from Days of New did the same thing

it started to go downhill when Steven left, went worse when Izzy left, and started to piss everyone off when Gilby was fired. oh yeah then they fired matt after SLASH left and then duff left, now its not as good as the old days. cmon we want a fuckin reunion

I think God broke them up.

The answer is fame.
Fame makes people egotistical
Fame makes people jealous
Fame makes people stubborn
Fame makes people paranoid
Fame makes people uncompromising
Fame makes people hubristic
Fame makes people lose perspective
Fame makes people controling

I think the "domino reaction" theory sounds pretty logical: Steven was fired for drug abuse and Izzy didn't like this at all and thought it was hypocritical.  Then on the uyi tour when the band started turning into a circus act he had enough and quit. Of course now Axl got delusions of grandure about being the king of the world and he also started acting like it which eventually led to Slash quitting in 1996 and finally Duff in 1997. Now it's just Axl and a bunch of hired backround musicians and Axl has complete control and can do whatever he wants to, but it's just not the same band anymore..  :'(

It was not Axl's fault.. at all! The band chose to be in a band with Axl in the first place and they later chose to leave! End of!
I think that it all got too much for Izzy n since Steven had already gone i think slash n duff realised things were falling apart!

what i dont get is how people sayin Axl's ego. How about Slash's ego? i think Slash is the one that had an ego just as big as Axl's and instead of compromising with axl he thought "im fuckin SLash, i can start another band and be successful" Slash leaving GNR ultimately ended the original band

Axl slash and anyone else could still legitimately be recognized as GNR to most people, when he left Axl had all the power, SLash couldve held out and compromised here and there but left GNR that ended the band!

They all did! But in Axl's defense, he was open all along about what he wanted. They didn't have the guts to speak up.  And in a way I'm glad, He's better off without them. And at the same time I wish them the best.

I think it was a whole mixture of things! But mainly I think it was because none of the other members liked the way the music was going. They wanted to be a down and dirty rock n' roll band, and Axl wanted to make more.....majestic sounding songs, so he brought on the orchestra. The rest of the band didn't like that because they didn't share Axl's vision.
But hey! I wasn't there, that's only what I think happened. It could have been any number of things, from drugs and alcohol abuse to the clashing of egos from all band members. What can I say, they all had pretty big egos, and they had every right to, they were Guns N' Roses!!
But.....what goes up, must come down. Its the laws of physics. [rofl]

I think that Axl caused the rest of the band to feel a bit out of the scene since he took most of the important decisions. But also he is responsable of creating the best songs GNR ever had, so its fair. If those guys can't handle evolutionating from the 80's hard rock to something that is way more than just average rock, then its their problem, Axl adapts to new musical eras like David Bowie and that is just amazing. I think that Izzy also has certain evolution in his music, but as we all can see Duff, Slash and Matt are just interested in sticking to the same old good stuff, wich is also valid but not so interesting I think.

I think quite a few things, one, when Steven left and later sued G N'R in '91, Izzy leaving, the pressure they had on them to perform in front of sometimes hundreds of thousands of people, drugs and drink, have any of you seen a picture of Duff in '92-94, he looks fucking awful, acne and everything, all caused by the booze and the drugs, also most people know Slash died more than several times pissing Axl and the rest of the band off cause' then they could not play that night then. And finally the failure of SPI? which REALLY made Axl  :rant:, I would be pissed off If I was him.

The truth is that AXL fucking fired everyone except for dizzy and looked for members who would do anything fucking thing he says. The reason why he kicked everyone out was because everyone else had their own vision, their own idea of what they want to contribute to the band and their music and Axl simply wouldn't let them. I love Axl, i think he's great but he's changed into a completely different person. I'd be awesome to see the old Axl Rose back.