Here Today... Gone To Hell!

www.mtv.com

(http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/s/Stinson,%20Tommy/sq_tommy_pensive_.jpg)

Once the public pegs you as something, it's hard to break out of the box. For proof just look at Tommy Stinson, who's performed on more than 10 projects since 1991 but always seems to have his name preceded by the words "ex-Replacements bassist."

Stinson wouldn't mind the association if it were simply a reflection of how evocative, forward-thinking and influential he is as a musician. However, when most people draw the Replacements connection, it's coming from a completely different place.

"When I'm out, people literally come up to me and go, 'Dude, I saw you. You guys played, and you were so f---ed up you couldn't stand up. You were falling down and it was the greatest show I ever saw,' " Stinson said. "I think we made some great records, but no one ever says, 'Man, I think your music was amazing.' "

After forming the groups Bash & Pop and Perfect in the mid-'90s, Stinson joined Guns N' Roses in 1998 and has worked with them in the studio and on the road. And in his abundant spare time, he wrote and recorded his first solo album, Village Gorilla Head, due July 27.

The disc contains 11 songs Stinson has written over the past 10 years, and it covers a variety of styles. "Without a View" is acoustic and melancholy, "Something's Wrong" features serrated guitar chords that mingle with classic pop melodies, and "Couldn't Wait" is bristling and agitated, conjuring the brazen spirit of punk before the rise of Green Day.

"I didn't set out to make a certain kind of record," Stinson said. "I like to hear albums that have peaks and valleys, and different musical textures going on that maybe have nothing to do with the song before."

Stinson named the album Village Gorilla Head after an electronic-flavored song colored with horns and strings, which was cobbled together from three musical pieces, each of which illuminated different areas of the musical spectrum. "One of them kind of sounded like the Village People, one sounded a bit like Gorillaz, and the bridge on the other one sounded like Mot?rhead," Stinson said.

While Stinson explores various musical styles, his lyrics are fairly dark. Over the course of the record, Stinson obliquely addresses his marriage, his divorce, being a father, and numerous romantic relationships that didn't last. But even in the darkest lines, there's always a glimmer of light.

"I think these are a lot of bleak stories being told with hopeful endings," Stinson said. "The vibe of it is, as bad as things are, they're gonna get better."

Stinson plans to tour for Village Gorilla Head, but his road trips may be somewhat limited by Guns N' Roses, who are finishing up their long-awaited album, Chinese Democracy, in fits and starts.

"There are just so many little aspects that are being finalized on that record that every once in a while someone will go, 'God, I just realized you hit a bad note in this one place. We just found it.' And I'll go in and sort it out."

Aver having worked with a long list of producers ? including Roy Thomas Baker, Bob Ezrin, Sean Beavan and Moby ? Axl Rose has taken over production duties for the album, Stinson said. The reason the disc isn't done yet, he added, is because Rose is a methodical perfectionist who wants to make the creation of Chinese Democracy as democratic as possible.

"He likes to take all the members of the band and get the best out of each guy for each song," Stinson said. "It's a brilliant process that gets everyone involved so everyone owns a piece of the song because they've put themselves into it. That way you don't have people going, 'Well, I'm not gonna play on his song if you're not gonna sing on my song.' And that's a lengthy process because you have to get eight people to basically write a song together that everyone likes."

Stinson added that he thinks the record is finally almost done, and the only thing that's holding back its completion is legal issues. Even the recent departure of guitarist Buckethead (see "Buckethead's Hand Puppet Says Goodbye To Guns N' Roses") isn't slowing anything down. "As far as I know, he hasn't been replaced, but we already have enough guitarists," Stinson said. "We have Robin Finck and Richard Fortus, and Buckethead will be on the record, too. I really have no idea why he decided to leave, but it didn't come out of left field because he's always come and gone. Even when I do see him, I don't know what he thinks."

Wow! That is awesome!


I wonder who that SOMEONE is! lol


GREAT that Buckets parts will still be on there.. otherwise the album wouldnt be out for another god knows how many yrs! Sounds like Axl will stick with 2 guitar players which is cool! They are good enough!

"as far as I know" sounds a bit worrying, like he hasnt talked to Axl in a long time!

The album is gonna kick ass!

Man, a little article like this, even though everyone will dismiss it, still lifts my spirits a lot! Just hearing something out of the GN'R camp! Thanks for posting!

 :o
i don't know, everything seems to be so UN-organized.

and on the other side : methodical perfectionist ???

wo !! this isnt music ! if axl approaches CD as a math problem or something, CD is gonna suck.

where is ART ?

Well Axl has made some briliant music in his career thus far man, keep the faith!  : ok:

The news about Axl being producer is interesting...Wonder what his sound is like.

I dont know, for some reason, I think this thing will actually be out soon.  At least I hope so, I cant wait to hear it already.  Contraband and Chinese Democracy in one year...How fucking great would that be?  My guess would be that we get some kind of date before September.  If I had to guess a release date, Id say December.  Hope its earlier.  

Me too Booker.. now that it seems Axl is not replacing Bucket's parts, I have a renewed sense of optimism!  :)

god, it is art and that is why Axl continues to tinker with the record. If he wanted to have a product and just make some money, he would have released it a long time ago. Axl is an absolute maniac. I knew he was going to produce the record. That is what is taking so long. This thing better sound immaculate. Nice that Bucket is going to be on the record. Tommy is a good little soldier. He's Axl's press guy I think! ;D

Also, in our rush to criticize Axl and force our wants and needs on him, we tend to underestimate how much this record means to the guy. This literally is his baby-his creation. He truly will have given everything he has to this project. This will be his true test as an artist. He has some good support in guys like Tommy, but in the end, the project's success or failure is squarely on him. There will be no excuses. Good luck you crazy motherfucker. :peace:

"He likes to take all the members of the band and get the best out of each guy for each song," Stinson said. "It's a brilliant process that gets everyone involved so everyone owns a piece of the song because they've put themselves into it. That way you don't have people going, 'Well, I'm not gonna play on his song if you're not gonna sing on my song.' And that's a lengthy process because you have to get eight people to basically write a song together that everyone likes."

 :) :) :) :) :) : ok: : ok: : ok: : ok:

Ahahahaha!  Axl is fuckin' brilliant!
Ya see! Just like Axl said - It's not an Axl Rose record.... everyone in the band is putting so much into the writing and recording of the album.

And again, this is not the first time, Tommy has said this.... about it being a completely collaborative effort  : ok:  : ok:

As for Axl producing -  ah!  'If you want something done right - do it yourself, eh?;  ;D

 :love: Tommy  :love:
Tommy's album coming out July 27th.  Now there's an album I'm buying!  : ok:

Sounds like Buckethead will not be replaced and they'll stick with two guitarists. If that's the case, then Axl's reason for cancelling RIR3 is out the window.  ???

I too think that CD must be close to coming out. This might sound rude, but why else would MTV being interviewing Stinson? Why would they give a fuck if he has a solo record coming out? All they play is rap and r&b now anyway. I can't wait to give Stinson's cd a listen, but MTV giving it some coverage just seems a little out of place. Either way, it's good to hear from someone in the GNR camp and for them to let us know they're alive.

Good point...if (per Tommy) a replacement hasn't been found for Buckethead, why the big whiney press release from Axl, canceling the Rio gig 2 months in advance? Well, Axl seems to get something out of creating drama for himself so there you go....Yea Tommy!!!!! :peace:

well

I really liked BHEAD?S solos... nightrain with him was amazing!
I like Finck too ... but sometimes his guitar?s sound is awful...
NOT that I?m saying that we?ll not hear a "great" solo on live shows, but how can GNR live without BUCKETHEAD ? ( I was thinking that they already have a 3? guitarrist since January ... )

Great to see more confirmation that this is a colaborative effort so all those people telling us how the other band members are just there to play what Axl tells them can shut up.

Legal issues have been brought up a couple of times. I wonder what they are?

As for going with two guitarists and leaving Buckethead on the album - that makes me more than happy.  : ok:

However, the whole RIR thing is now a total mystery to me. Previously I thought that clearly Axl must have thought a good show wasn't possible without a third guitarist, but now I'm totally baffled. Now, I can see no reason for the cancellation of RIR.  ???

I feel it's getting closer......  :nervous:

@#$%Muther

If they survived replacing every original member....

Now I don't want nobody here saying they didn't.

I hear ya...but I'm sure Bucket leaving caused some ripples in the water to say the least, and they (Axl) might not have known what to do right away (get a new guitarist or not). This coupled with the fact that Axl is notrious for canceling shows at the last possible second probably made them take the "lesser of two evils" approach and cancel Rio way in advance.

What I'm having trouble with is the fact that Bucket is still on the album. Now I, like most of you, really want to hear his parts on CD...absolutely. But what good are they if they can't be replicated during a live performance  ???  I doubt Finck or Fortus will be willing to compromise there own style of playing on certain songs to accomodate Bucket's unique sound (nor is it fair to even ask them to do that). So I'm on the fence about all this. I guess, if nothing else it will hopefully allow for an earlier release of CD than if Axl wanted Bucket's parts replaced.

Wow, so we have Tommy saying it'll be out soon, Dizzy saying it'll be out soon, Axl saying hopefully a release date soon..... and now Booker thinking it'll be out soon.

It's gotta be out soon!  8)

That article was a great read btw, and had some new info.  Very cool.

i dont know if approaching music like that. being a methodical perfectionist is what we need for rock music.
i mean, music comes from inspiration and the artistic side of a person.
not from his ability to find errors and bad notes.

i don't know.
it's just like when u draw. u know. if you keep touching your drawing, messing with it, cause u see errors and mistakes, you'll get nowhere and u will actually mess your drawing up.

but well, we'll see what uncle axl has to say .....

Stinson is a great musician and i believe his words.

Rock on Brother : ok:

Hardly earth-shattering  and probably been raised before, but on that pop=up when visiting Tommystinson.com, I seem to recall it saying "Yes, I'm still in Guns n Roses", and "yes, the album will be coming out"

Well anyway, instead of 'the album' it now says 'Chinese Democracy'.

Yeah, but you always have something you don't like about your drawings (At least I do) and I've been told many times that I'm my own worst critic.

If thats the case for Axl....  Holy shit!! He must really hate himself!! :hihi:

poor guy.  :'(

I doubt Finck or Fortus will be willing to compromise there own style of playing on certain songs to accomodate Bucket's unique sound (nor is it fair to even ask them to do that). So I'm on the fence about all this. I guess, if nothing else it will hopefully allow for an earlier release of CD than if Axl wanted Bucket's parts replaced.


They?re in a cover band. Haven?t they all (other than Axl) already ?compromised their own sound? when they set out to perform songs written by another band?

In reference to the topic, pardon me if I don?t get all goopy between the legs because another one of Axl?s indistinguishable mercenaries predicts a release in the near future. These clowns have been either quitting or promising something soon for years.

god, every artist has their own way of creating art. And there you go, YOU don't want rock music created like that and YOU don't think that is how it should be. Forcing your agenda on Axl's creative process! Gnrgoblue, everyone is not all hot and bothered by this-give the bad ass hard ass thing a rest. We know what Tommy says is meaningless. But, he did reveal that Axl is producing the record and that is noteworthy. :-\

Its cool to see Tommy tell the truth about what goes on in terms of the reocrding process.

Im excited that BUckets parts will stay. I kinda new it would stay because Bucket brought a lot to the band.

I dont know why everyone is pleasantly surprised that Axl is also producing the album. He said this in one of those 2002 radio interviews. Something to the effect of " I have to be manager of the band and help produce the album as well." something liek that....anyways good stuff cant wait to hea tommys album....

Fair enough. I?m not sure what the ?bad ass hard ass? comment is in reference to, but your point that Axl producing the album is news, is well-taken. I suppose I might care if one of the following results from this development: A) The album actually comes out; B) The album comes out faster; or C) the album is substantially better than it would have been.

I don?t know whether any of these will transpire, so I suppose I have no reaction to this news. I don?t care. Yet (if ever).

You care enough to come read a Gnr message board-so you do CARE in some way or another. I'm just being a smartass. The fucking thing has to come out at some point.

Great News!

Tommy is Da Man  : ok:

gotta buy his album too...

There are far too many negative people around here. This isn't bad news in any way.

I thought everybody knew that Axl is the new producer.

I hope they'll release the album this year, however I'm scepitcal how Finck and Richard will play BH's parts. But I don't mind if they go on tour or they don't just release the album. And then release an album at least in every 3 years.

I think that you and some people in this board are a little obsesioned with Bhead, don't misunderstand me. I think that Bhead is an amazing guitar player, however people(specially dave) consider him that only real value of the band (besides Axl); However you don't take on consideration all the time that Robin was on the band, who's to say that he has created amazing riffs(maybe better than Bhead).  I know that he has to prove to us what he can do, and I hope he brings great stuff to the band.
 :peace:

Couldn't Agree more : ok:

I never said BH was the only value in this band.
I love robin and the other members, what I said was BH next to axl has the most talent in this band.  I think robin is great but BH was just something special, atleast his parts are staying, I dont care if BH tours or not, all i cared about if they kept his parts on CD and they are. The good news is they are not getting a new guitarist to redo BHs parts.

WHOA!  ;DTommy's tour is starting August 4th...just checked his Web Site...Yea!!! If it's anything like last year, that'll kick some ass! I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned in MTV article...How Cool Is That!

Catch Tommy on tour if you get a chance. He's very good live

Sounds like a release date is getting closer!

Yet again with these legal issues, this is really bugging me. Someone out there has to know whats going on.

Everyone probably knew he was co-producing. Now it seems he is doing all the producing himself.

The legal issues probably have something to do with defining what is considered orignal GNR and what is considered nuGNR in the context of Slash and Duff's lawsuit.  That's my guess anyway.

Like always, this appears to be good news, but we shouldn't get too excited about this until we get official word.  I will never believe anything I hear the rest of my life in any facet of my life that contains the word 'soon'.  :hihi:

I agree that the words 'methodical perfectionist' are not good to hear in the context of making a rock album.  Didn't the band record AFD is about 1 month's time, and that was the perfect art creation.   :-\

Axl as producer concerns me too.  I think he has taken on too much responsibility already, and adding additional duties is not a good idea.

-TyRod-

Hi
Legal issues? Often takes  a very looong time.

I Just Heard Some Clips From His New Album, And It's Fucking Awesome, Man!

I Can't Wait To Get The Album!!

Not really IMO Maybe Axl did not know what he was going to do at the time of the press realease maybe he had to take some time to think it over.


My Guess is the suit against him by Slash and Duff.Maybe the suits with his ex-wives about the abuse could have been the reason in the past.

I am expecting a Use You Illusion type sound.

Maybe Axl is hoping that when the record is out, the single does well and the band start doing TV spots and interviews that Bucket will realise what he's throwing away and come back.

Because it could end up that several million people own a copy of some of his best work ever and that he doesn't want anyone else to try and play it feels the need to play it himself.

I sure hope not. I am hoping for progress, myself.

Yeah it's just all speculation. If you're with Axl, then that's the way out, if you're not with Axl then of course Axl just cancelled because he felt like it.

Both ways are just as right or wrong, coz we dont know.

I think this is awsome...Axl as the producer...this cd's gonna kick even more ass...


Im jsut worried about the legal issues

I still think the only democracy going on in this band is the voices in Axl's head  :hihi:
Hey, seriously, if  this really is a collaborative effort, then all the better...there's alot of talent in this band.
Axl as producer? Fuck, he was always the producer (Moby down ro Beaven)...the other guys probably had the wrong 'vision' i.e. not Axl's, and they just had to go.