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Thanks to IndiannaRose for posting this elsewhere...

Early midday reports from retail have Velvet Revolver exceeding expectations and should debut #1 on next week?s chart. Reorders from the majors have been pouring in all day, with the album slated to easily top 200k. Can it beat 250k? Tune in tomorrow for the one-day sales story right here on hitsdailydouble.com, OK? (6/8p)

source: http://hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi (http://hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgi)

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awesome. debuting at number 1 would be seriously amazing. which is better for the album? where it debuts or the number of albums sold?

Also wanted to mention that the San Francisco show went as planned, and reportedly even featured "Superhuman," which was only previously played at the Roxy show.  

Just a heads up, since I knew I was a bit shaky about the bands status after the abbreviated/cancelled shows.  

The number of albums, of course.  

But it certainly doesnt hurt to have a "#1 album" to your credit either...a debut album at that.  

a number one spot??? Wow that would be fucking great for the band.... album sales are better than a number one album though..... If it comes out at number one though it has to stay for longer than one week... thats the key to gaging Chart positions as a success...

what was it like ohhh say 1991 that any gunners had an album debut at number one???

they beat Axl to it....  This is good no matter how you look at it though!!!

It would be a very good achievment if they debut at #1. But dont make it seem like this is a band thats coming out of nowhere and no1 knows about them. Its not a brand new band with muscians that no1 knows about and is taking the world by storm.

I didnt make it seem like anything, I stated a fact: this is a debut album.  As a band and an entity, theyre unproven...unlike GNR or STP.  So for them to debut at #1 would be extra cool for that reason.  Its a great way to begin their career as a unique new entity.

Snakepit had a few GNR guys (in their prime, no less) - that didnt debut at #1.  Audioslave didnt either.  Hell, The Spaghetti Incident? didnt even debut at 1.  So familiarity with the band members hardly guarantees success.

Well said Booker.  Why do people have to try and bring us down?

Id hope it would be #1 next week since nothing really came out this week cept for VR. It would be a travesty if it did not. Here is what came out this week.

Velvet Revolver
Corrs
PJ Harvey
Cowboy Junkies

Beating Avril Lavigne and Slipknot out in only their second week of release respectively is flat out amazing..

Debuting at #1 would be huge, although it would hardly be a travesty if they didn't.  Avril  and Usher are still selling tons and are proven pop stars at the moment.  Nobody in VR has had hit album in sometime, so I would hardly call them proven.  If they do debut at #1 I think it is because of the strength of "Slither" and their live shows and the free preview on MTV.  It should all snowball after that, Rolling Stone cover, big hit ballad, sold out arena tour..... I predict double platinum by the end of the year.

they have a rolling stone cover coming out? i thought they weren't giving those kinds of interviews anymore?  ???

Although arena rock shows generally blow, I'm sure they'll go that route if interest remains high.  

I just got out of work! I work @ Best Buy and I bought it!! They were selling like hotcakes @ Best Buy. They had to keep restocking the shelves! The buzz was incredible! Everyone was talking about it and how they've been waiting for this day like a mutherfucker!

I think I read that RS is currently doing a story on them, and if they debut at #1 I wouldn't be suprised if they put VR on the cover.  Just a guess though.  Maybe a little wishful thinking.

interesting, it certainly wasn't flying off the shelves at one of the Tower Records in NYC, not that that matters much. Just because i don't witness them selling doesn't mean they aren't.

they #2 on amazon.com

Well, as I stood in line with my 3 copies (and my sister stood in line with her 3 copies) - pretty much the other 5 or 6 people in the line also had Contraband in hand... I mentioned this on another thread, but in any case, the sales person said that Contraband has been doing so well that they have almost run out of stock.  

Good to know we had a hand in making history repeat itself :)  I sure do hope that Contraband debuts at number 1.  That would be unbelievable fantastic!!

Actually...

Product Details

Audio CD (June 8, 2004)

Number of Discs: 1
Label: Rca
ASIN: B00020NPZA
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 1

How are they unproven? Look at their backgrounds. They already have a fan base. Do "true" debut albums/bands have a massive fan base like supergroups such as audioslave and vr do??

Im not saying its not. It definately is cool and good to see. All im saying is its not like they are these unknown underdogs coming out of nowhere and doing this,....


Snakepit recieved the same promotion and marketing like VR did? NO way......Snakepit was more of a side project....

Im not too familiar with the music scene around TSI but wasnt grunge more popular than GNr around that time? Wasnt that the period of time when GNR began to lose public interest?



Whos trying to bring who down? Im a fan of VR as well. Maybe not a huge one but all Im saying is that although its an excellent achievment to debut at #1 its not that surprising being the type of band it is. The same with GNR. I am expecting them to be top 3 debuts. BUt so what? Its a highly anticpated album so it will do well just on hype. Im more concerned about the music and the legs of the album/singles....

When you already have a huge fanbase what is so amazing about it?

Anybody debuting at #1 is a major accomplishment, especially for a band making its debut album.  Only time will tell if it conitinues to sell, but you can't argue that it would the best possible scenario to start things off.

Actually, to my knowledge TSI did chart fairly well.
I'm not sure about it hitting number 1, but GN'R were still really popular in late 1993, regardless of grunge taking over.
Maybe GN'R were still popular in Australia when TSI was released because they played the biggest concert ever staged in January that same year.

Anyway, I hope Contraband does hit number one, there's way too much sh*t in the charts lately, it'd be nice to have geniune rockers in there.

Another mention on Hits Daily Double:

Next week, it?s time for RCA?s rockin? Velvet Revolver, which sets up an interesting battle between the ex-Guns N? Roses and their own greatest hits album.

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news05143m01

I believe it debuted at #3, going on to sell over a million records (its only certified platinum).


Thats true...after all, "November Rain" exploded only a year earlier.  But in the presence of Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, etc. (all bands that had exploded with huge-selling CDs) they were no longer the band anymore.  And of course, TSI? as an all-cover album isnt the same as a UYI follow-up, but it was still new GNR material when released when they were still huge.

Also, Karts on VRforum.com claims that "Slither" is number one on Active Rock, #2 on Rock, and #3 on Alternative Rock charts.  Didnt see a link or anything, so take it for what it is.

According to Hits Daily Double, early midday (Tuesday) reports from retail have VELVET REVOLVER's "Contraband" exceeding expectations and debuting at No. 1 on next week's The Billboard 200 chart. Reorders from the majors have reportedly been pouring in all day, with the album slated to easily top 200,000 copies.

I bought it at an independent record store and the lady said she was getting alot of calls asking for the disk.

I'm afraid Contraband won't be taking No.1  place in Finland anytime soon as the Finnish Idol winner Hanna Pakarinen released her debut album the same day today (09.06.04) :rant:

So it should, great record. I'm so proud of those dudes : ok:

all i can say is... wow!

I will admit it. I was predicting under 100,000 at first, then recently changed my opinion to 100,000 to 150,000. If they sell over 200,000, that will be something. Jane's only sold around 130,000 in their first week. Even a fractured Gnr fan base is still very large. God knows, I hope they don't move to arenas before they come to Atlanta. Arggghhhhhhhhhhh.  :beer:

I just posted this thread.  :hihi:

I'll go delete mine... :beer:

IT will only be a major accomplishment if VR stays #1 next week when the Beaties album comes out.  

Dave, you have to admit it is great publicity for the "Gnr" brand name. Period. It will help spike sales of the back catalog and the Greatest Hits. This is VERY good for the redheaded stranger. I'm telling you, soon really needs to be the word and I just have a feeling we are going to hear something within the next month. It truly is a perfect time. ;D

that sounds great..

I have to admit..I didn't expect them to debut #1. Well, let's see if that really becomes to true.

When I went to Tower Records yesterday, I overheard a number of people mentioning AFD as they stood in line to buy Contraband.  It was probably the largest congregation of old Guns fans in quite a while  :hihi:

I also noticed high schoolers buying the album (the Limp Bizkit generation)... which leads me to conclude that RCA has done a great job in promotion.

Vr has a fan base of 1 great band and 1 very popular and successsful bands of the 90's,,,,

Combine the gnr fans with the stp fans you have a huge headstart.

Again same with gnr when they release their album. It means nothing. The hype,name,people involved alone will generate a top debut spot....now lets see how long it lasts

Come on, it's a nice little accomplishment either way you look at it.  I expected it to do fairly well, but this even shocked me. Let's face it, this type of rock hasn't been popular for quite some time. It's nice to see the people are responding to it fairly well. VR and RCA did a magnificent job of marketing it to those who are tired of the cookie-cutter style rock that has been hitting the mainstream. This band is turning heads everywhere.

I bought the disc at my local Tower and it was definitely selling hot there. My cousin works at Tower and had to keep re-stocking the shelves and they re-ordered more copies.

That's pretty cool. :D

I was fearing people would get tired of them with all that promotion going on.

I wonder how it's selling over here in Europe since the promotion seems a bit less intense here.



/jarmo

I have a second job at a liquor store in Providence.  Right next to the store in the plaza is a Strawberries (that's a record store in the north east of America - not sure if its a national or international company).  I went to work early so I could go buy the album.  When I got there, the sales person told me they had just sold their last copy.  I asked how many copies they had order, and he said they had only ordered a case of 100 because they didn't anticipate that demand would be so high.  They had already placed a reorder.

Needless to say I had to travel this afternoon to another store to get my copy.  My guess is that this album will definately outsell the GH and will explode when/if VR release FTP as a single with a killer video to accompany it.

-TyRod-

It isn't really that surprising given all the hype (they've been in just about every music magazine over the past two months, and EVERY guitar magazine.

And considering how well the GN'R GH did, it would be embarressing if it didn't stay at #1 for at least two weeks.  GH is still charting top ten in the UK.

Well its exceeding nearly everyones expectations, so its a little surprising.


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It would hardly be embarassing, especially since the Beastie Boys are a lock for #1 and this album has already exceeded expectations.  I dont see how falling from #1 could be embarrasing when they werent really expected to reach it in the first place.

But youre right, falling to #2 or #3 would be positively humiliating... ::)  

i didnt think it would sell this well but the band has gotten alot of positive press in the music mags and the Guitar mags.... im not saying thats why it will be number one,..... but its cool to have gunners with a number one album.....even for a week...

I didn't expect them to debut at #1, so I'm really pleased.  And who cares if they fall after only one week?  Hell, a #1 album is damn good.

I hope amazon will ship my damn CD in the next few days.

dude! you dont have the CD yet?? my god i know you were more excited and waiting longer for this CD than i was and you didnt go down to the store and buy another copy with a different cover or something??? you are a paitent man......

Being outsold by an average selection of their own old songs, from a band who hasn't made an album for 10 years?  Yes. I think so.

And it's not exceding everyones expectations...nowhere's sold out, and the record company has shipped LOADS of copies.  Someone said in another thread that they shipped as many copies as they did of Avril Lavignes new album.  Considering how long her debut charted at #1, I'd say that meant someone in a suit and a large office somewhere has very high expectations.

The only store near me is Wal-mart and they only sell edited CDs.  It sucks!  :rant:  >:(

how many years has it been since an album Sold Out of a major Record store??  that  just doesnt happen anymore....

So falling out of the #1 spot after one week constitutes being "outsold"... :confused: Might want to think that one over again, especially since Greatest Hits didnt even chart at #1 (this whole thread is discussing American numbers).

Bringing up GHs "average" tracklisting is irrelevant - it had every hit.  And GH did better than most albums out there, so most albums are being outsold by that CD.  Its really irrelevant - to everyone but you it seems.    


Really?  I wasnt aware that you had access to every American record retailers inventory list...my apologies.  Its just that with news articles reading "Early midday reports from retail have Velvet Revolver exceeding expectations and should debut #1 on next week?s chart. Reorders from the majors have been pouring in all day" had me believing otherwise.  Apparently major retailers call in for reorders when the CD is not selling out - I wasnt aware of that, but thanks for filling me in.  Youd obviously know better than HitsDailyDouble.    

In the UK according to Channel 4's TV text.  It's expecting a top 10 mark.  

Faithless are tipped for the #1 spot and they say that VR and Supergrass are battling for the next highest position in the top 10.

I can't believe people are now bitching about the criteria to base how well it is doing lol

A number1, is a number one.  However, a great album at #1 is a rare thing.  

Come on you sour people, even you could give these guys some credit for doing well - on whatever scale. I would have been happy with a top 20 entry then a build up with the promotion and gigs.   But it would be great to see these guys do well as possible.

Drive!  Drive all night if you have to, just buy the unedited CD somewhere!  :yes:  : ok:

I knew it would sell well  :)

We ran out of them at Best Buy today. I had to tell that to about 30 people lol

just thought I'd give ya a lil update on the sales

it's an amazing thing just watching people stand in front of the VR cds and look through the cover then buy it!

i was on www.hitsdailydouble
and  i don't know why  jarmo put that rumor on news

Why did you post this here and not in VR's section ??

Or even better, just put it as a reply in Jarmo's topic...


Anyway, I think that it's possible! This album is much more wanted then GH... I think it'll sell a lot at this release, then drop and then with their next single (FTP??) rise quickly and stay there for a while...

Learn to read........this is on the front page

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news05145m01

I think younggunner got a point, really. I mean, people have been waiting and waiting for a real rock album. Old GNR and STP fans don?t want any covers nor greatest hits collections, they want new material. And it just so happens that VR is in every single music magazine the past two months beacuse the members in VR are old rockstars. You think this album would even get into top 200 chart if the band didn?t have old GNR members in it? I think not. But this is pretty shocking for me at the same time. I was expecting maybe a top 15 place or something. But it seems like they got pretty hyped up.
Though I don?t think Contraband will sell over 3 million copies. If they are lucky, they can sell 2m. Now, when It comes to sold out arenas well, yeah, I think that's true. I mean, if 2 million people buys your album, you got like 6 million who would like to see you live. I mean, it's just too much with all the CD-Ripping. Okey, I?m done. Shoot me!

No need!  Amazon sent me an email stating they just shipped the CD, so I shall be rocking to it this weekend!   8)

While Im not crazy about the Buddhist-style Beastie Boys, did you really expect them to be the Licensed To Ill guys forever?  They had to grow up, and really theyve outgrown that since the third album.

I havent heard the new album, but I like the new single.


Not at all.  Hell, most of us were guessing it would debut at #2.  For it to occupy that spot at any time during its cycle would be a good thing.


 ???

You havent seen the charts lately...Usher was #1 for like 5 or 6 weeks in a row and even after dropping one or two spots, he jumped back to #1 this week - after 11 weeks.  His album is a phenomenon, selling about 4 million in 2 and a half months.  But youre right, most albums fall.  Ushers album is a rare exception.

Anybody catch the Beastie Boys on that MTV movie awards show tonight?  Damn they've gone downhill!  They don't even play their own instruments anymore, nor did the performance tonight feature any instruments at all.   :no:

Yea I saw them too...JUst seemed flat and boring....

I was eager to see Yea Yea Yea's but they were dissapointing as well. The singer didnt sing like she does on the studio version. O well... They blew there 5 min of spotlight....

Now im just waiting for the eminem paradoy. SHould be funny. Cant wait to see BUcket and Slash on the same stage with Axl!!!!my bandddddddd

Yeah, I saw Eminem wearing the Axl wig and bandana earlier, then I turned off the show out of sheer boredom.  MTV has such stupid categories.

The Eminem performance sucked. All that hype for nothin. I thought it was gonna be funny. But it was boring.

Eminem had on a long haired wig with the bandana and did the snake dance...then took off the wig and was himself throughout the whole "performance"

Slash and buckethead were "jamming" for a few min then they took off there gear and played themselves. Then the whole band did an boyband impression....

it was kinda lame....it was cool to see buckethead again...i miss him....cant wait to hear his brilliant work on cd though

Theyve never played instruments much...just on their more rock-oriented tracks, and the "Ch-Ch Check It Out" isnt one of them.  They are still a rap group.  

Ive heard they have gone back to their roots, and isnt the stream on mtv.com?
It will knock off VR next week on the charts, the  beaties should be #1

It will probalby only drop one spot, maybe two at most. It will still sell probalby between 150,00 - 200,000 in its second week and should reach gold within the first 4 weeks.