Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Just got Contraband today and it rocks !!! Anyway I won?t write a detailed review here at this thread but only express my gratitude towards Velvet Revolver who has woken some part of the old Guns N? Roses spirit up again. The so called new Guns N? Roses - (ought to be named "Axl Rose Band") - may delay their cd for 10 years or more in the future, I don?t care anymore.

VR is rock?n?roll. May they last for many years !  :beer:

I think by the time we'll have Chinese Democracy, VR will have a new album out too... I was kinda hopin' that ChiDem will be released about the same time as Contraband, but it didn't happen...

Yeah thank God slash, duff and matt are no longer if gnr.
If the contraband album was the new gnr album I'd be very angry.

Yeah, because then we could actually talk about the new songs instead of saying "just wait".  ::)

Even if you think the album sucks, at least they did something they're proud of.

It sure as hell beats Snakepit.  : ok:



/jarmo

Yeah its much  better than snakepit, but if we waited for 5 years for CD and it was contraband, I dont think I would be the only angry person in here.  

Before I start on this I would like to say that I am not a VR fan at all,....great guitars, shit lyrics, and vocals and lacking in songwriting.

BUT....

Dave...what the hell is wrong with you??...God u r soooo pathetic and bitter.  Just cos Axl cant get his shit together is no excuse to bag out on other peoples music. Even someone as twisted as you can surely see from VR's music that Slash is an incredibly talented guy, and that if this is the music he put together in one year then surley if he was still with Axl, then the potential of those guitars with Izzies songwriting and chords and Axls lyrics/vocals would be amazing.

Without that mix it doesnt seem to be working for ANY of them.

Axl destroyed GNR....fullstop. (every former member agrees on that point) .

 He has failed to show his reasons why with MUSIC, and considering GNR was about MUSIC, thats pretty lame. I support the guy, but huge applause to Slash and Duff for getting out there and just having fun and being a band and playing music.....like y'know........normal people, and fuck the consequences.

Snakepit is horrific....

I'm satisfied with Contraband, it's pretty much what I expected.  The album will do well, as will the promotional tour if you know who can keep out of trouble..

As the original poster said, it does bring some "spirit" back, much like early GNR,  as a live entity at least.  It's without doubt the closest thing we'll see to that era of GNR, which is very cool for people who didn't experience that.  It's got that raucous vibe to it.

I totally agree, got the album today as well, after all the reviews here, I expected a mediocre album, but it's fuckin awesome!! you guys writing the reviews can't be seeing straight... :no:
I didn't expect a better album than this, it would be possible, but hard to make at this point. if you don't like this album at all, you either have to really hate STP, or have something against the ex-GNR members, cos it's a real damn good hard rock album! :peace:

How am I bitter?  This is what cracks me up. This post was yet another slam on Axl and CD not  being out  yet and then one someone brings up how contraband is just not that good that poster gets slamed.  So its ok to say you like contraband yet slam axl at the same  time but its not ok to not like contraband and then be postive about axl and his new songs.  That is a good one.  I am curious what is going to happen when CD comes out some people do not like it? I know we won't be seeing posts about lets stop all the negative posts about the album, but for VR that is all we get why people don't like it.  If anyone is pathetic its people like you that attack the poster and just does not want to stick to the topic. You dont think its pathetic that rainbow warrior added "The so called new Guns N? Roses - (ought to be named "Axl Rose Band") - may delay their cd for 10 years or more in the future, I don?t care anymore. "

More double standards that are just lame

My god you are predictable dave. Why dont you just write one post and set it on repeat somehow.

Ok , I made a vague negative referance to Axl and the Nu-GNR....boo fucking hoo. I want those guys to succeed nearly as much as you....but like a normal person, I ...like most on this board without a redhead up our arses actually have VALID criticisms of the mess GNR has become.

That is beside the point.

Even the most ardent Nu-GNR supporters on this board think u r a fuckin extremist, verging on nutcase.

I will expect a reply saying 'how funny something is and how I crack you up somehow'

The difference as I see it is, that VR never claimed to be anything but a new band....so if you dont like it...then dont listen.

Whereas Axl is claiming to be GNR...So obviously he has to do something surpassing old GNR to validate his need to destroy old GNR, and to date he has copped a beating in every round...all of his own making. This isnt bashing the guy, as I honestly wish for his sake he could make great music and release it. It is simply an obsevation, and If you are too precious to concede that other people who love GNR are dissapointed that the lead singer is failing miserably...then, fuck off, basically.

Well I guess I'll be 'eating crow' sometime in the next 50 yrs and if so I'll be fuckin happy too.

discobiscuit1 well people over on the gnr section get pissed when VR is mention in that section, so why talk about axl and gnr in this section?  And I don?t see how me not liking some of VR songs means I am bashing the band.

As for me being a nutcase, well if you want to talk about off the topic personal BS PM me and Ill discuss it with you otherwise stay on topic, thanks.

stop using the pathetic excuse that some people used to bash GNR on that board as a reason to act even more stupidly on this board.

Two wrongs dont make a right...be a bigger person than that and stop being a hypocrite. If you dont like the way someone acts then dont retaliate in the same way , it's childish beyond belief.

And yes, you are a nutcase, I think 80% of this board would agree.

I'll be online for a lil while feel free to PM me as Im not gonna reply to you on this site as it wastes everones time, and I strongly hope noone replies to your BS anymore.

Long live GNR

Thank god for VR!!!

This album is just unbelievable people.  And the more you listen, the better it gets.  I refuse to take this cd out of my cd player.  Its addictive.  I haven't felt this way since UYIs.  The difference is, while the UYIs were full of filler, there isn't one song on Contraband that you can call filler.  Ever song is borderline great, with a number of songs crossing that line into greatness.  The album is a perfect mix of rocker and ballad.

I can't wait for FTP to be released as a single.  When FTP is officially released with a video, it could become the biggest thing to happen to rock since NR.  It may propel VR into the stratosphere.  Follow that up with one of any other of the 7 or 8 rockers (my preference would be STB or Headspace) and you basically have a recipe for rock and roll domination.

Dave, you need to seek help.  Axl destroyed GNR to go on to do what?  Release what?  Accomplish what?  His material that we have heard so far wouldn't have even made it onto Contraband.  None of those 5 or 6 songs are good enough.  He better come to plate with something more than The Blues.

-TyRod-

The 5 or 6 songs we have heard from axl would not even have made contraband? You have got to be kidding me. Madagascar and the blues are better than anything off of contraband.  Chinese Dem and Oh my god are much better than any of the rockers on contraband, and the song most old school gnr fans hate riyadh and silkworms are better than the worst songs on contraband.  I am sorry and I know its  your opinion but the gnr songs are much better than contraband.

I actually disagree. I think the songs Axl has done, other than rhiad are as good or better than the VR stuff. I also feel that Silkworms is very average but am very excited about the potential of similar songs as the style and beats are very different and lend themselves to some potentially amazing music....though admittedly silkworms is below par.

That said...yes Dave needs help.

Back on topic. I watched Letterman the other day and the guys look really cool in a way that rock musicians havent looked for ages. That kinda too cool for words way.

I was with some non GNR fans, and even they admitted that musically they sounded great and looked awesome....the common theme seemed to be that Weiland sounded very average and the lyrics were crap. Everyone seemed to miss Axl's ability to sound a little wild, whereas Weiland sound WAY too restrained and a bit bland......Oh and the Posing :hihi:

well I consider Madagascar and The Blues just as good as You Got No Right and Fall To Pieces... Chinese Democracy, Oh My God and Rhiad are about the same lever as Contraband rockers too... but it's all about production... I love both - simple music as AFD and more produced and with strings and stuff like that. If songs like FTP and YouGot No Right would be performed by Axl and his nu GNR you would love them as much as Madagacar and The Blues  :)

I like YGNR and and FTP but not just as much as the blues and madagascar.

Dude, I agree with you  : ok: with the exception of what you say about UYI.  :o


As with you Dave it?s alright that you?ve got another taste than me but to be honest .... how much of the real Guns N? Roses do you actually see in the current line up? The old Gunners (at least until GNR-Lies) were calling each other blood brothers and were all in all what made the band ...... now I can only see one person desperately trying to find his own way of putting a cd together (since the mid 1990s!) and the reason is probably that he no longer is a part of a magic band, but have to follow his own inner thoughts and perfectionism without anyone talking sense into him. Axl is not Guns N? Roses by himself and to me the "use your illusion task" by having the rights to the gnr-name and pretending that the band still exists, has finally proved its failure IMO.

Axl IS guns n roses.  His voice, his lyrics, and his ability to pull out some amazing riffs from slash.  Just look at what slash has done since leaving Gnr. Snake pit? Nothing even close to being as good as what he did in gnr, as for VR, yes he has some good work but its not great.  Do you think VR is close to gnr musically? I would not say so.
ON the other hand the stuff axl has done, the few songs we have heard from Cd are amazing, just look at the lyrics.  That is what I expect from Gnr.  Axl always wanted gnr to progress musically but slash has always wanted to stay the same.
Axls lyrics are much better than what is on VR. While VR are still singing about sex, drugs and rock n roll, Axls lyrics are much more mature.

Why does this  " dave " character feel the need to defend his beloved "axl rose" ??

Im sure hes a big boy now davo`, im sure he reads this and other music forums, but he hasnt got the guts to speak for fear of getting told some home truths.

The facts speak for themselves davo`, axls done fook all for 10 + years, his time has passed him by, now VR will get all the glory that u wanted for the axl rose solo road show, but he cant even keep his hired guns together, i mean, how hard must it be to work with axl, must be really hard to have almost everybody hes worked with walk out on him?

Not good signs for the future for axl rose, i just wish he didnt destroy one of the greatest bands in the world only to fall flat on his face.

Axl did not destory anything.
Slash and duff were just as much to blame.
Dont believe it here ya go.

Thanks to eva for this research.


10/30/96

LIVE!!!! From "Burning Hills", California...

Due to overwhelming enthusiasm, and that "DIVE IN AND FIND THE MONKEY" attitude....

....Slash will not be involved in any new Guns N' Roses endeavors... he has not been musically involved with Guns N" Roses since April 1994 with the exception of a BRIEF feel period with Zakk Wylde and a 2 week initial period with Guns N' Roses in the late fall of '95. He (Slash) has been "OFFICIALLY and LEGALLY" outside of the
Guns N' Roses Partnership since December 31, 1995.

Nothing here is Subject To Change
Without A PERMANENT SUSPENSION
Of the "Pseudo Studio Musician Work Ethic"
SINCERELY,
W. Axl Rose
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Slash Goes Back to the Snakepit
Former Gunner Slash assembles new band for second Snakepit album
October 20, 1999
"I sort of made a half-assed attempt at going back to Guns," he says. "But at the end of the day it was half-hearted, and I realized it wasn't going to happen....
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www.metal-sludge.com/Cele...Round1.htm
Slash: "I quit the group because of musical differences. I wanted to continue doing the hard rock thing, and he wanted to do techno-rock or something. We?re still to see the end result. I just do what I do because that?s what I like doing, but his thing seems to be a little more convoluted."
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Digging the Pit
by Sandy Masuo

Slash: I thought we were just getting good at what we were doing and Axl headed in a different direction. I was basically too fucking stubborn -- still trying to perfect the one thing I was just getting good at to be able to go there. My whole trip is still based around the same original concept from when I started playing when I was 15? For me it?s basically all the same shit, and as far as what Axl had in mind I?m still waiting for the [next] Guns N? Roses record to come out to see what that was. That?ll be a huge relief for me.
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March 20, 2001
JEFF VRABEL | STAFF WRITER
www.nudeasthenews.com/interviews/42

Slash: I have heard some of the new band, and it's exactly what Axl wanted to do. It's the exact thing he was working on when I quit. It's finally immortalized.
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Neurotic Outsiders chat, December 17, 1996
hem.passagen.se/snoqalf/t...hat-s.html

JH Duff, is GNR going to change their style? Is that what Axl wants?
DUFF McKAGEN I don't know. We progress naturally. As far as the rumor that one person wants us to change, that's just not true.
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And when Axl wanted to give us the SFTD cover....

www.snakepit.ws/rc.asp
From Record Collector Magazine February, 2001, by Joel McIver
You said it's been five years since you've spoken to Axl, because he never could agree about anything. Was the one specific incident that set it off?
Slash: It really started when we covered "Sympathy for the Devil" for the "Interview With a Vampire" movie. I saw the first screening with the Stone's version still on it, and I thought it was fine. Fuck, why do we need to do it? But then Axl went to see it and he loved the movie ? see, I hated it.


I guess all the  years slash working half assed with Axl did not have anything to do with breaking up gnr right?

 ::)


I agree that nobody can sing and write lyrics like Axl, but saying that Axl "pulled amazing riffs out of Slash" is laughable.  While it is true that Axl brought out the best in Slash, and vice versa, Axl is NOT the sole reason Slash's GNR guitar work is great.  Axl didn't sit there and say "no no Slash, play it this way instead" until it sounded great.  The two of them just had amazing chemistry together.  Neither one of them really had to make it a point to inspire the other, it just worked that way.

 :crying:
WAAAAHHHH!!!!
Baby needs his bottle.

How did all of you get the album. It's not out until tomorrow?  :(

Maybe you and eva should get married or something, start an axl rose cult? ( maybe you already have? )

Dont beleive everything you read, in the end, look at the facts-- EVERYBODY  whos worked with axl has left him cold and only come back for the money alas the " hired guns label "

When axls closest friends point the finger in axls direction, i think id like to go with the majority.

You can dig up as many reviews fromover 10 years ago as u like, things change, if any of them interviews are accurate are u sure things werent twisted around by some axlites like yourselves?

lets put it this way- u realy think any of that stuff would stand up in a court of law as anything other than tabloid trash?

I think ill go and make a " fake interview " post it up online and back date it to lets say...........1996 that slash wrote everything that was on chinese democracy, and axl tried to stake his claim on it as his work and thats why the band split, and ever since , thats why axl hasnt been able to release his " chinese democracy " due to a major behind the scenes court battle?

Would u go posting that up as fact too? :drool:

Everything that Dave posted are actual Slash and Duff quotes, but Duff's is slightly misleading, because he changed his mind after GNR.  Duff said this regarding his change of heart after he made the statement that Dave posted....

Post Neurotic Outsiders was the worst moment of my career in Guns.  Everything was getting done Axl's way or it wasn't getting done at all.  It wasn't that way when we started out.  [Why did Axl become so arrogant and egomaniacal?]  Because many people around him maintain him in that state of mind.  They kept telling him he was right.  Some of them feared him because they were scared they were gonna lose their jobs.  It's as simple as that.  So I went out to dinner with Axl and told him that this band had become a dictatorship and I didn't see myself playing in those conditions.  Find someone else.

So as you can see, things changed for the worse after Duff made the aforementioned quote.

how am I twisting anything or making up anything? Its quotes by slash and duff in their own words. They said it and I dont need to make up anything.
Oh now the fact that they want to lie and change history by changing their minds what they said when the stuff was actually going on? They changed their minds because they want Axl to be the scapegoat for the break up of gnr, they are trying to twist it to make it seem like it was all axls fault, when we know that is just not true, just read the quotes by slash and duff. All it proves is when slash and duff talk about axl now and what happened they are lying.
As for going with the majority then why is it that just matt, slash and duff talk bad about Axl but everyone else that has worked with him has nothing but nice things to say? The only negative any of the new people is axl is taking too long with the album.

No no no Dave, I didn't say you twisted anything.  I said the quote was misleading because it came from a time before Duff quit the band.

Same way a Duff quote from 1987 would be misleading because things changed over time.

Don't be so paranoid Axl...I mean Dave.   ;)

they are hypocrites, much like some people on this board. It's amazing how people immediately attack dave for posting facts instead of questioning the obtuse comments from slash. If the members of VR weren't such knuckleheads, i might just enjoy this album a bit more.

Slash has said the same things he's always said.  He wanted to go one way musicially, Axl wanted to go another, and he wanted to take his sweet time doing it.  And everything he said has proven true.  He may use different words, but the story is always the same.

They are entirely nothing like the songs on Contraband.. hell, they are barely even in the same genre... so that is a blatant opinion based statement, that will hold little ground in the VR section...



No... now you are talking shit.  Contraband contains song after song of excellent rock.  NewGnR's 'rockers' are utterly sub-par.  Don't talk crap Dave.

Dave, your arguement is that slash caused the breakup. So maybe he did. He's released 3 records since he left compared to 1 song that Axl has released. He has proven he has music, unlike Axl who beyond some live tracks that could of been writen in 1992 for all we know has no proof of a record beyond his own words.

Some of us like Velvet Revolver more than you. And for someone who claims not to hate them your trying to start and hype a lot of negative bullshit about them.

and on a sidenote, give me a quote from duff or slash after 01-01-04 that is negative to Axl outside of there lawsuit against him for mismanagement

Chinese Democracy (the song) is the only thng remotely comparable to any rocker on Contraband.  That said (and I love the song), it's waaaaaayyyy to synth laden to compare to VR's modern take on hard rock.


The Axl Rose 8 is much more akin to something along the lines of ELO.
Expecting them to be anything different would/will be disapointing in the long run, an exorcise in futility.

slashs stories are always changing, what are you talking about? Are  you reading the same interviews

I am not talking shit, even read some of the huge VR fans reviews of the album, some of them agree with me the rockers off of  contraband are just not that good.

Here we are again, beating the same damn horse. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

Hypocrisy!

Brian May said in 2001 or so that Axl had 2 or three albums of material done, so that is in Mays own words, so is May lying?

Here is your quote, which is a blatant lie.

 "Scott always wants to work," says Slash, "and that's a change. With Axl, it was impossible to get him to do anything""

Now I always thought one of the reasons besides the musically differences is because Axl wanted to work on the songs too much.
People here joke about how Axl keeps tweaking the songs to make them perfect.
Tommy even said that Axl and the band works the songs to death.

So again another slash lie and another example of how slashs story keeps changing.

Dave, will you give your Axl crusade a rest already?

Nope, not until the pot shots at axl stop.  : ok:
If all  these  petty comments about axl stopped the crusade for axl would stop right?

I don't know who the fuck you are... and I don't care to know.
Dave cited my name to credit me for compiling the quotes.
Where the fuck do you get off on making the comment you made?
If Jarmo posts something and credits me for transcribing (as he has) have you told him some shit like you said to Dave?

A cult?  Go fuck yourself asshole.  I am a married woman with three kids.  Watch your fucking mouth and show some respect for your fellow posters or get the fuck out of the community.




Yourselves - eh, plural.  You are talking/replying to Dave but you wanna be a pussy and talk about me?  


Further - Things change.  Sure as time goes on people and circumstances change - BUT THE PAST DOESN'T FUCKING CHANGE.  What a stupid fucking comment.


I posted those quotes in response to Slash's very recent comment in Newsweek at the gnrbar.
I don't own the fucking quotes.  I didn't fucking make them up either.


you are an ass.  half of those interviews are from Slash's official site!

and i don't usually resort to cursing out other board members cuz i have respect for the board
but you really pissed me off so i don't give a fuck
i wasn't even in the fucking thread - I don't even come to this fucking board!
if you got a problem with me or any of my posts be a fucking man and reply in the thread that's eating your shorts... don't go fucking talking shit about me in a fucking thread that I'm not even in

I think you might have mistaken this section for the GN'R section.  ::)

You might wanna post a comparison when CD is actually out.


Dave, I think the board knows you prefer Axl's unreleased album to "Contraband", but I think you're childish if you think you're gonna convert people here.

If you wanna post your opinion on their music, fine. But constantly trying to turn threads into "Axl rules, VR sucks" threads doesn't make you any better than the idiots spamming the GN'R section.



/jarmo

You fucking know as well as I do that Axl rarely came to work as a band... if you recall, the band had stated many hundreds of times that Axl didn't come to rehearsals.  Axl is not a true frontman.  He is a guy who likes to make music.  He doesn't work as part of a team.  This is BLATANT in his on stage vocal... he must never sing with teh band other than on stage and the occasional soundcheck....!  Man, Axl can do some amazing work when he is up on top, but for God's sake, stop making out he is more than just some fuckin' dude with a chip on his shoulder because that's ALL he is!

Well rainbow warrior must have been mistaken too since he started the whole thing comparing vr and axls gnr with "The so called new Guns N? Roses - (ought to be named "Axl Rose Band") - may delay their cd for 10 years or more in the future, I don?t care anymore. "

The thing is i wouldn't have said anything if he did not make  those comments.

Yeah, Brian May could be lying. To have an album you need vocals.

2nd, you and I know damn well that Axl recorded his vocals for alot of tracks away from the band, thats kinda hard to work with.

Not really. He was greatful for VR releasing an album and that he could wait for 10 years for CD now since he's got something to listen to.

So in other words, you're wrong.

VR did the right thing. They got the album out before Axl. They knew people wanted something new from Axl and/or VR. Now they'll sell more albums because many Axl fans are gonna buy it in order to have something to listen to until Axl decides it's time to release CD.



/jarmo

 :o

Dizzy has obviously hacked into Jarmos account - a dastardly act indeed.  

How am I wrong, i thought we should not mention Gnr on this board, or is that just we cant say anything postive about gnr or axl on this board?

VR will not sell more albums than gnr and you can bank on that.

Not being sarcastic here... ARe you implying that when he said it he was lying?  
I don't think so.  I think Duff wanted to do different stuff / sounds too.  Duff liked different kinds of music (like punk)
Not exactly blues based rock n roll, is it?  No, he was telling the truth when he said that Axl wasn't the only one trying to change their sound.  And look what the changes turned out to be!  Sure there's Silkworms but there is also The Blues.
We mighta had something along the lines of Duff's "so fine" too  ;D

Can you be anymore infantile? How about taking the high road instead of engaging in some petty war because you don't like what people say about your hero.

AAAAHAHAHAH!!  Bloody hell... Dave didn't even take time to draw breath let alone read what Jarmo said and TAKE IT IN!!!

Jarmo never said VR would sell MORE than GnR ... he said they would sell MORE records... because of the fact that they released before GnR....

jeez... calm down!  It kinda proves your obsession with GnR to get that stressed about something so insignificant (and something you got wrong!)

I do take the high road, as you can see.
Some people on this BOARD have to resort to bashing when people defend Axl, how infantile is that?  Why is it ok to  bash axl but not defend him?

Then when someone talks bad about VR, slash or scott it is ok to defend them but not axl.'

Wow, i love some of your logic on this board.

You must be confused, how is selling more and selling more albums different?

Dave, why did you join the axl rose board?

a GnR board sure... but the Axl Rose board?  Isn't that kind of thing for girls?

No, YOU are confused... MORE albums than if they released after Gnr... not MORE than GnR.

Because betsy is my friend and she asked me to Mod the board.
And what does that have to do with this thread?

Velvet Revolver already has sold more copies than Axl ::)

How do you figure? You really think less people would buy contraband if it came out after CD? I doubt it.

It has fuck all to do with this thread.  What of it?

Well I am done with this thread until it gets back to topic.

I don't figure anything here... I was pointing out that you jumped to GnR's rescue when it seemed obvious that jarmo hadn't said what you ended up arhuing against.

Wether they will or not sell more albums, that's not the issue.

On that note tho, VR's album is everywhere... even in Tesco!  I bought my copy there.  I was stunned.  And happy that it's getting shelf space next to the latest sellers.  It is all over the place.  RCA was a fucking great company to sign to.  They know how to market a band well.

Not at all.  I'm sure he wasn't lying.  What I meant was that things changed.  Duff encountered some tumult with Axl after he left Neurotic Outsiders and returned to the fold which made him view Axl and his partnership in GNR differently, so his feelings were reflected in the difference in the quote that Dave posted and the quote that I posted.

And again, I was not insinuating you either you or Dave were taking anything out of context.  You simply posted Duff's quotes.  I felt it was misleading because the quote Dave posted was before Duff had encountered the differences he had with Axl, not because either of you twisted anything out of context.

Because there is nothing to defend.  He killed that which we all loved, the original GNR.  And some of us are not too happy about that.  He has failed to produce a single above average song, let alone an album in 10 years.  And some of us are disappointed in him for that.


It is ok to defend VR because they have actually put out an awesome album in under one year.  And contrary to what you want to believe, if you read reviews of the album from other source than this board, it is getting great reviews almost everywhere.  And it is clear that after a few listen the rockers are far better than anything Axl has shown us.  Hell the ballads are too.  And all that in under 1 year.  Imagine what VR would have put out if they worked on it for 8 years.  But that wouldn't be R&R ... that would be pathetic.

-TyRod-

Well, it's nice to see Dave fucked up another thread. I cannot believe that his fucking bullshit is put up with around here.  He fucks up thread after thread and it's allowed. Un fuckin believable......  All the original poster said was the following :

"The so called new Guns N? Roses - (ought to be named "Axl Rose Band") - may delay their cd for 10 years or more in the future, I don?t care anymore."

That was his fucking opionion and he wasn't bashing Axl. Why the hell does Dave feel the need or why is he GIVEN the right to fuck up the whole thread because of that???  He is pretty much single handedly ruining this whole fucking place thread by thread. People (including myself) have been banned for alot less than his constant pussy bullshit.  

As for the original post. I couldn't agree with it more. Thank GOD for Velvet Revolver!!!! They have filled a void in my life that has been missing for a long time.

Can't wait to get the album....

Word man, word.

I fucked up this thead? Get real, the people that starting bashing board members are the ones who fucked it up.  I know the "cool' thing to do is bash axl yet its not ok say postive things for him.  The reason threads get ruined is because certain people attack the poster and do not refute the post. The problem is this. Its fine to bash axl on this board and praise  VR on the gnr board but its not ok to defend axl on this board or mention his name, go figure.
Again tomass you are not even talking about the topic at hand you are bitching at me because I dont think Vr is as good as you and some others. Disco ruined this thread by attacking me and not my post, its that simple.

Axl should not even have been mention in his review since he has nothing to do with VR.

I hope you get as much enjoyment out of the album as the rest of us VR fans have. If you don't fall in love with it after first listen, give it a few more spins and you will, trust me : ok:

I wish it was as good as some of you have hyped it; i really think it's only ok. Perhaps mysteron was right when he suggested they spend more time on it; it has pockets of greatness but also lots of filler. Disappointing effort.

I still haven't gotten it.  When I first heard some of the poor quality versions I thought there was alot of great stuff and a couple blah songs like Headspace. Now that I have heard a good version of headspace I think it rocks. I also noticed some tunes tend to get better as they go on. Fuck it.... I can't wait til tommorrow to REALLY listen to it all.  Windows down , radio cranked, doobie sparked.....

He didnt kill the band you loved. The band killed the band. They had musical differences. Slash wanted to go one way, Axl another. They were both stubborn and didnt compromise.

Actually in my eyes New Gnr have given us 6 samples of excellent music. Just because you dont liek them doesnt mean all other gnr fans dont liek them. As for the album...what if it turns out to be a masterpiece...?

If your happy that Vr are doing the "Rock N Roll" thing thats fine. If their actions and beliefs make an album they make great instead of the actual music thats your standards and opinion.
We'll see how many singles the band can awueeze out of contrabanf and how the album sells over time. That will give us a better read on how the people view the music. Not hyped up articles. Same thing with gnr. They are gonan get all the hype and promotion when they get goin. Lets see where it ends up.....and what determines that is the music....

Allot of interesting opinions here.
But like I have said before, maybe this album just isn't for some people .

I am almost addicted to it, as I've had it playing non-stop the last few days and with each listen it gets better and better and I notice more and more subtle things that stand out.

As for there being no singles, I think quite the opposite.
I think Sucker Train, Fall To Pieces, Headspace, YGNR are the stronger songs and would all make excellent singles. The rest of the other rockers, while good, I think would go over the head of most of the general public as they are not as accessible.
And let's not forget, both Set Me Free and Slither have both been released too and have had pretty good success on the radio.

Seeing as most albums these days only have about 3-4 singles anyway, I think that's pretty good shelf life for Contraband.

'Disco ruined this thread by attacking me and not my post, its that simple'

News Flash loon boy, everyone here is sick to death of you. Most of these people are Axl and Guns fans, somewhat frustrated yes, and some with slightly negative opinions on GNR and Axl, but fans with valid points.

So stop acting like the thought police and sod off. You are ruining HTGTH for a lot of people.

So people that have a negative view of gnr and axl have valid points but the ones who have  negative points about VR are not vaild? Thanks for proving my point. Good Night. If  you want to discuss this further PM me ok, thanks again.

I want everyone to go back and read the freaking rules...I remember two of them specifically.  1) Stay on topic.  2) Don't insult other board members.  :rant:

Those are easy enough to understand.  This topic isn't about the members of this board.  It's supposed to be about VR.  

This board is getting ridiculous please stop ruining it for the rest who like both Slash and Axl and are willing to enjoy Contraband and CD (Whenever the hell it is released).

If you cant take the heat, then get outta the kitchen wala : ok:

hmmm well, of course we are all grateful for this new band, and this new album wich i hope gets on top of charts for a while

back on topic, I for one agree with the post. Thank God we have some music guns related, cos at the risk off offending any zealouts Im really frustrated and dissapointed that Axl cant get his shit together and release CD, so in the meantime thank god Slash and co have given us some music.

I still feel VR sounds a little glam rock / hair rock for my taste and is missing that x factor (read Axl), but in the end its a damn good rock record.

agh i knew it! da pet had to come here too  :P

Ignoring this sillyness, I honestly think that Contraband is the best album I have heard in so long and the material on the album is up there with my fav. FTP, YGNR, SuckerTrain and more simply blow anything that Ive heard since ive been growing up out of the water. Slash's guitar work is breathtaking, yet different it's a great sign, but FTP has one of the sweetest solos ive heard, easily has it's place among his best work for me, and Im one of the fans that he inspired so much!!

I love the album, it is Rock n Roll, with a dirty, heavy riff-based twist. Top quality melodies, guitar work just can't get enough of the album.

SORRY to do this, but with Dave it is pretty silly mate. You simply argue by guessing. NOONE knows wat happened with GNR 94 onwards both parties lie, but who cares, it's about the music.
With regards to the music, your opinion is your opinion, but for me any of the material on contraband blows anything that Axl has shown us and you got to remember that is like 6/7 songs which is an album, and more likely to be CD because he isnt going to play songs from the third of his alleged albums. So it gets tiring posting that this is better than that because it's ur view, we know wat it is that's that.

Actually thinking that Axl pulled out the best in Slash is stupid. It states on making of estranged, how Slash worked so hard to create the melodies for that song, do you think axl was creating it for him. DO you think that Axl made slash make up SCOM riff as a joke. SO you think that Axl made Izzy write Patience, and the other input he had. Nonsense, Axl was a a genius, but as seen is in my view nothing without the guns artillery!

Fish

How do you know this is a lie Dave? Were you in the studio with them in the mid 1990's? The fact is in the past 10 years Axl has released 1 new song and has 5 more that he plays live. Both Izzy, Duff, Gilby, Matt and Slash have all got albums full of original material. Now if it was Slash being half arsed about Gn'R - why go and make a solo album/tour in 1995 then again in 2001 and then Contraband in 2004?
Im sure youll bring some Brain May/Stinson etc. etc. quote into this - but the fact is even they werent in the studio in 1994/1995. Sure Axl MAY have 2/3 albums full of material now - but whats to say he didnt even start on that till 2000 - about 5 years after slash left? You have no idea along with the rest of us what goes on or went on in the Gn'R camp.

Thankyou YoungGunner - a big fan of Axl (even though we all are to some degree) who can post balanced, unbiased posts! :peace:

Ontopic though - I think Contraband is a good solid album  - an album (bar two) of good songs and a couple of possible greats. It excites me too think of a) the forthcoming tour and b) what these guys will be capable of in the future. All round - im please with a kick ass rock record!

Wow ANOTHER thread that is Dave vs the world ::)

When i first heard Contraband i was bored to be honest - about 90 listens to it later i realise its a fantastic album with some great tracks - not sure there's a weak track here

It will be nice to see a real rock band in the charts or music channels, maybe thanking god for VR is a bit much but i'm certainly thankful there are here, and here to stay (oi - tour in the UK!)

Whether people love VR like i do or hate them like...some people do.... can we please end these VR v GNR squabbels - there two entirely different bands, enjoy each for its merits.

I hate my hometown! :rant:
I hate the fuckin? recordstore! :rant:
Wanna know why!
I dont care gonna tell you anyway.
The VR cd should be released today but guess what. There is no sign of cd in my recordstore. this just sucks. :crying:

 

The album is pretty good. It's nothing spectacaular but it's a good solid album and better than any rock bands put out lately.

I'm glad Velvet Revolver are here and i hope they make more albums it'll be something to look forward to

You did read slashs quotes in his own words right? And now he is changing his mind that axl did not want to work? Id call that lying. What do  you call it?
Like I said the knock on Axl has always been he likes to over work the songs.  We have quotes from all the band members what was going on at that time, so I am just going by what was said by the various members.
Slash is changing his tune now from what he said when everything was really going on, a lot of the quotes are from his offical site.  

Anyway, getting back on topic, enjoy the album since its out today, some one at the bar said you cant rip it to your computer.

Of all the reply's posted so far, this one is by far my favourite  :hihi: :hihi:

Dave, I don't think Slash is lying or changing his story. If you read old quotes from the band, you will see Axl often left them waiting all night into the early morning before he would get any work done. That was one of the reasons Duff left the band. Izzy has also said Axl would never rehearse with them and we all know how he kept them waiting before they were able to take the stage at their gigs. They also had a hard time finishing the Illusions because Axl kept delaying them.

The only threat I can see to a future success for Velvet Revolver, would be if Scott can?t manage to stay clean from drugs. If he fails that would destroy the band.

 :nervous:  :(