Here Today... Gone To Hell!

 :nervous:Do these guys in VR think this shit is actually good?  What the fuck is going on here?  Seriously people, I do not joke when I say this:  These guys are so burned out from drugs, that they have no idea what's going on.

I listened to the hype, I listened to the self praising interviews.  I expected this album to be somewhat good.  


Velvet Revolver's Contraband is the biggest peice of unsinspired garbage I've ever heard.  Thank GOD, if there is one, that Axl dropped these losers long ago.  Thank God.  These guys are completely incapable of writing good music, and it becomes clearer to me now how big Axl's role in the band actually was.


If Chinese Democracy comes out, and is as bad as this album, I will seriously end my own life. Now, I know it is impossible for it to be this bad, but still.  

A note to Axl:  Hey dude, you rock, but listen up.  If you have any doubts about the quality of CD, or if you think Vevlvet Revolver's album is good, then please leave Chinese Democracy in your vault.  I don't want to hear it.



Velevet Revolver proves that everything Axl has done has been RIGHT.  He's a genius that has the balls to take chances, and because of that, he'll succeed.  

if Axl had stuck with those losers, none of us would give a fuck about Axl or GNR today.  They would have ruined their legacy long ago.

Shut it

Just because u don't like Contraband doesn't mean its crap


Remember cocaine is beneficial! Remember u said it would have helped Axl finish the tour?   ::)

Maybe you're so burned out you have no idea whats going on.

plus

I have had more than enough of reading about VR in this section

I don't come here for VR - i'd go to a VR forum if i wanted to read endless boring comparisons between GNR and VR

Well, it's your opinion. Other people think different. Let's wait for CD, but don't take this album too seriously, live your life.

Although I agree with a lot of what you said...or atleast your premise....Its unfair to knock what slash and company did with gnr. Its unfair, and its really not even true. The work they did helped make gnr great. case closed.

BUt i do agree with you for the most part. Axl might be a hard guy to deal with and a dickhead but the guy always has a vision. Lets see what gnr have come up with in this new era. If you like maddy,cd or the blues then you have nothing to worry baout. If you like all of them then just sit back relax let everyone have their fun now....

     Ok, first of all dude, if your life is so terribly pathetic that the quality of an Axl Rose ALBUM will make you commit suicide, you are one pathetic freak. Furthermore, why don't you just do it already and spare us your amateur commentary on the Velvet Revolver album.
     I have listened to the album online 6 or 7 times, it rocks. It rocks. It is so refreshing that someone has come along and made an actual rock and roll album. When Axl Rose puts out his techno electronic ballad-filled decade-long delayed Chinese Democracy, I hope it sucks just so you dive off of a cliff.
     Personally, I can not WAIT for Axl to release the album, I am so psyched and I saw the band 2 years ago. The big difference between me and everyone else is that I don't compare VR and GNR. VR has 3 guys that were in GNR 12 years ago, let it go. It's a new band and it rocks.

Ya, they do!, and oh ya, IT IS!!!!! The album rocks, and you will probably be dead before CD comes out anyway, so dont worry, you wont have to do it yourself

Exactly

I am truly sick of this VR v GNR rubbish. Just because Slash is in VR doesn't mean we need an endless Axl v Slash battle

19 people have been in GNR

We don't need to compare everyone of their efforts to GNR

Can we keep the GNR section just that?

Is that so?  ahhh  :rofl:

In any case, I happen to like what I've heard of Contraband.

You are so wrong! I am so sick of 3 people on these boards (Who are supposed to be gnr fans) slaming the REAL members of the band. I agree when you say axl is a genius, Cant argue that, but come on man, Silkworms? That song is the worst gnr song ever! People on these boards do so much double talking. (AXL wants to sound updated, BLAH,BLAH, BLAH, but when the other real gnr members make a good updated album, you guys slam them?) Burned out? Axl was there to (WITH THE REAL GNR) doing the same drugs! Maybe he is burned out, and that is why he cant seem to give us the damn album. You guys keep saying "axl dont care what people think of him, than WHY cant he just release the album. Maybe it is just an age difference here, You see, I am an "oldgunner", So I think if gnr as the original line up. I cant see how you can like axl, and act like the other guys were just some musicians who happened to be there? No, that is what this new band is, GNR is a bad ass band, with a bad ass attiitude, not a homo wearing a bucket on his head, and a few other no names. I seen both the old and new bands live, and unless you were there, You never know the DIFFERENCE. They could play anything, covers, acoustic, great band. Stop pretending that gnr is silkworms, CD, The blues, and madi,. You never got to experince slash and the boys, so you thing gnr is this little project of axl's today, boy you are SO wrong. I will sit here and wait with you, I love axl, but until then, stop dissing the guys that made him popular!

I have seen VR live and have heard their new music.  Dude, they rock, plain and simple.  You don't like VR?  Sucks to be you.  My guess is you are a younger fan, who was in diapers when Use Your Illusion was released.

Contraband really does suck- im so happy i didnt pay for it

and Silkworms kicks ass - its better than anything on the Velvet REVOLVER cd

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.  ::)


And I'm sure rock n roll fans everywhere will mourn your loss.   :P

The beauty of being deaf.

Dude, if there was a competition for saying stupid things, you would win it hands down!!
well done!!! : ok:

Personally I'll just reply to the title of this thread........go for it!!!

Who ever doesn't like VR and says their stuff suck is an "IDIOT".  Quit sucking Axl's dick.  Sorry to break it to ya but CD is probably not going to come out.  These guys are the "real deal".  I think the album rocks.  Go buy it everyone and listen to a rock album.  : ok:

In regard to the subject title of this thread "If CD is as bad as Contraband, I'll kill myself", I'll just say:

If CD is as GOOD as Contraband, I'll be fucking shocked!!

After 10 listens or so, it is quite apparent that Contraband blows away anything I've heard (in terms of a whole album) since the UYIs albums.  I can't wait to get in my car after work so I can listen some more.  I haven't felt this way since the UYIs.

Man, DRUNK, two word ... "hearing aids".  Get some fool.

-TyRod-

Contraband is better than the wank-fest known as UYI.

And I'm one of the guys pulling for Chinese Democracy.

 ::)

Let me get this right - u like GNR, just not their music :nervous:

Gn'R did release 3 other albums and a live one. Id say i dont listen to 50% of the UYI albums - too many of the songs are long, drawn out, not unique or slow.

Exactly. I think about 35% of UYI is damn good, the rest is just bleh. Pretty much everything else GNR has released I quite enjoy.

In my eyes gnr doesnt have a bad song.

I havnt slammed vr so why are you saying I am?

Because he can release it whenever he wants and peopel will still buy it.

I think you need to re - read what I wrote. But Ill say it again...anyone who bashes any of the old gnr members contributions to gnr is an absolute idiot....

: ok:

They are the real deal but imo failed to capture it on their album....

Well then it is very obvious that you are not objective at all.  GNR has a number of 'filler' songs that can be easily labelled 'bad' (i.e. My World, Bad Apples, Silkworms, Think About You, etc).

That is why your opinion is not really relevant when you are talking about this subject.  Please don't think of that as a knock on you personally, cause it isn't.  All I'm saying is that you are so blinded by your love for Axl that you can't see even the smallest of flaws (and the man has too many flaws to mention not the least of which is the fact that he is the sole reason for the breakup of the original band - and the sole reason for the departure of BH I'm sure).

It is obvious that you will love CD no matter what it sounds like.  That is fine.  I hope I love it too.  But I will wait to hear it before I call it 'brilliant'.

-TyRod-

just heard the album. Its kind of...ok. Lol. Not sure what the deal is. Its nothing pure suck ass like the Sankepit albums or Duff gems (cough), buts nothing terribly exciting. Nothing special is going on here, and thats a dud. The album is just ok. CD better be better than this.

I wasnt really being serious but I do liek all of gnrs old and new songs. And not because its Axl. When I first got into GNR I wasnt biased towards Axl or Slash. Actually if anything I was more of an Izzy fan than anyone else in the band. But I loved the band as a whole. I love all of their songs. Including the ones you mentioned. Of course bad apples, dont dam me, silkworms arent classics...But I enjoy them. Escpecially Silkworms.

As time went on I began to discover the genious of Axl and that is why I stand in his corner if I had to take sides. None the less I still liek all of the old members....

Im not as blind as you think. I know the flaws of Axl. But when it comes to music for the most part there arent any. And I could care less what he does when it doesnt concern music. So i dont get wrapped up in all of that bullshit....

As for your last comments...Yea he prob was the main reason why gnr split. Its unfortunate but its reality. The band had musical differences. Duff only left because Axl didnt want to release anything anytime soon. SO what does that tell ya. Slash nor Axl is worng in their philosophies. Its musical taste. We have seen Slash's vision and we will eventually see Axls vision. Once again my chips are on Axls music......

If its great ill be the first to tell everyone its great...and if it sux Iw ill be the first to admit it. Its not my fault you by into all the rumors over the years and beleive what you read. I didnt. So my perspective is not negative towards the band. Yea they have fucked up but the talent is there. Did it mesh? I have no idea. Time will tell...but if they were able to capture everyones talents on the album then yes the album will be what i expect it to be.....

DRUNK, All I can say is, in the words of Axl himself,

"But who am I to tell you that I've Seen any reason why you should stay, Maybe we'd be better off without you anyway!"

If you don't like VR, oh well, no one really cares, and if you feel like killing yourself because an album doesn't live up to your expectations then you need a life dude.

If I thought that way I'd have been dead years ago cause rock music has sucked since '96.

Buddha, give it a few listens.  Listen to it 5 times from beginning to end and then let me know what you think.  It's not ground breaking, but I think you'll change your opinion the more you hear it.  There is no way to hear a new song once and judge it fairly.

-TyRod-

personally I've only heard Sither and Set Me Free, and each time i hear them they grow on me. I think Weiland is one of the best lyricists of our time and of course the other musicians in VR rock, so I'm pretty psyched to buy it and I want it to be fresh when I listen to Contraband for the first time

Everybody says Silkworms is the worst song and make it like it's Axl fault as he wrote it.
Axl did no write Silkworms.

Contrabnd is killer from what I have heard....it pisses on any "Rock" music of today....VR make The Darkness look like a bunch of happy go lucky fags.....Contraband I hope puts RN'R back on the fucking map!

Come on Axl get your music out there so we can have some MUSIC back! :smoking:

OK,so VR did not match most of us' expectations,but how can you call their album bad?? If VR is bad,then how the fuck do you call Linkin Park???? Or Good Charlotte and the other zero-talent rock bands out there.
   I agree with Younggunner: No GNR song is bad! Some are just better than others

Man I absolutely will. Im getting it on to a cd as I write this, and will drive home listening to it. It will undoubtably sound better in my sound system I have in my car, so its a bit unfair to gauge it on its own merits until I hear it properly (and not on the computer). I will even have a bowl or two later and give it a listen proper like.

Classsic Rock magazine, March 2004

Slash:

?I?m telling you, every fucking track of these twelve is something different,? Slash says of the results. ?It?s like a journey. There are no fillers. Every song has its own vibe. It?s a really fucking killer record.?

 : ok:

What's he gonna say?  Oh please buy my album even though I think it sounds like a complete piece of shit.

He's promoting himself. And obviously he thinks it rocks. he wrote the stuff.

I will preface this by saying that I have not heard any Contraband tracks other than Slither and Set Me Free.

Now, I was quite underwhelmed by both Slash's Snakepit Albums, I didn't enjoy Duff's solo albums very much, and I've never cared for Izzy's solo albums, either.  HOWEVER, I will say that I still listen to many Snakepit songs that have grown on me over the years, a couple Duff solo album tracks I listen to regularly and several Izzy solo album songs I have grown to enjoy.  None of their previous efforts have blown me away on first listen, but all have had tracks that have had sustained staying power.  I expect something similar from Velvet Revolver.  Perhaps you don't find the band appealing, but that does not equate their material to crap for everyone else.  

If you don't like the album, great, fine, whatever ... but don't go off on how Axl rocks so much harder and is so much better.  At least these guys have the balls to put their work out there for people to hear.  Axl can do nothing but piss around his house blaming everyone around him for his failures.  Axl has become a laughingstock.

well said, echrisl.

personally I enjoyed, The First Snakepit album (although Eric Dover tried hard to be like Axl I think), and Pawnshop Guitars by Gilby, didn't care for Duff's or Izzy's albums (though I've been meaning to give Izzy a try again)

I am looking forward to Contraband though.

Axl?!  Is that you?  Have you finally answered us?!

Calm down, dude.  Its just music.

Sillk worms at rir3 was awesome, kick as punk riff

the one from vegas was bad the main riff is not the same


Think about you is one of my favorite songs


At the end of the day, Axl Rose is a better musician and songwriter than duff and slash are now.

Im sorry but you can not even compare Contraband to UYI, the latter is in an altogether different league.

That is why I like The Darkness, they finally brought fun back to rock and roll. Happy-go-lucky is a million times better attitude to have than tortured soul IMO. And if you notice, the VR guys seem to be pretty happy-go-lucky when they are just talking.


Fucking terrible.

This is how I look at things:

Velvet Revolver, regardless if their CD is pure shit or at the same level as Appetite, willing be officially be putting out an album in less than a week. "Guns N' Roses" hasn't put out new material in years. At least the members of VR are doing something....publically at least. I don't give a shit if Axl is in the studio 12 hours a day; As long as Chinese Democracy is not released, the Velvet Revolver CD is better.

I really don't care what Axl does at this point. I liked the original Guns N' Roses music, and I can live with that. This is a new band, an hopefully Axl and his new bandmates can put out a quality CD...A CD which has a decade of work on it...

I don't know about anyone else, but I've lost faith is Axl Rose in 2002. (December 6th to be exact....Yes, I was at the Philadelphia "show") The only thing that will make me believe he can actually survive in the music industry is a new CD.

But, this is all my opinion, not facts of course.

DRUNK.. you are an idiot.. make up your mind.. last week Cocaine was great as it would have helped Axl completed the tour.. this week drugs have fucked up Slash & co.  :rofl:

I strongly suggest you hit a bowl and take the long way home.  Listen to Contraband with the decibel levels up and give it two listens if you can before you get home.  Then come on here and give your honest review.  If you still don't care for it, so be it.  My guess is that you will grow to love it as I am/have.

-TyRod-

As long as I don't see pop shit and rap on my tv Vr can keep coming. It's rock n  roll no need to argue over about it. It's gona be another year or two before Axl rolls out with something. Too bad he can't tour on the great hits album  :yes:

Peter, wait unti you see VR on stage. I flew from Edmonton Alberta to Toronto to see them and it was incredible.

Slash never stopped smiling. He had a blast on stage, the vibe in the Kool Haus was inane. Matt was all smiles, did a little dance for us during the intro to "Used to Love Her. These guys where having as much fun on stage as we were in attendance. Worth every penny.

And I agree with you on "The Darkness" as well. This band did bring fun back,  their videos are awssome!

Cheers,

Blair

In almost all cases, I am against downloading, previewing, "stealing" music, etc.  But in this case, I am thankful for having the opportunity to preview Contraband.  Had I of went to the store on June 8th, got Contraband, and put it in my car CD player, I probably would have gotten into a fatal car accident because of the shock!  The shock of how horrible and dissapointing it is.


LISTEN UP.

The only reason people think it's good is because they're comparing it to today's new and crappy music.  I don't compare music to today's music.  I compare music to good music.  Anything compared to today's music sounds better than today's music because today's music sucks.  But it doesn't mean the music being compared is good. ;)  Comparing music against good music is what you should settle for.  You shouldn't settle for music that sounds good compared to bullshit music.  Of course it's going to sound good in comparison.

Compare Contraband to any good music, and you'll see it that fucking blows.

Don't let the badness of today's music make you think crap music is actually good.  Re define your standards.

Oh, so you say that Axl should take drugs in order to help him complete tours and such, because it's not harmful you see, but then Slash and co. release an album that you're not impressed with, and you say that drugs fucked them up? ::) Are you trying to be funny or are you really this stupid? Oh you're "not joking." That answers my question.


Those "losers" left because Axl was an asshole. I'm glad they're rid of his (Axl's) ass too. Those "losers" are out there touring, and are releasing an album in just a few days. They're such losers, huh? I know, I know - too bad they can't be like Axl, who is sitting on his ass, not even capable of keeping a band together long enough to release shit because people are tired of kissing his ass, and not giving a shit about his fans enough to even bother to let us know he's even alive. Yes, they should strive to be like him.


Incapable of writing good music?  That is so beyond stupid I won't even bother.


In that case I almost wish it a failure. (But of course I don't.) What happens if it's never released? Perhaps cocaine will help to get you through your life as you wait. We'll just enjoy the "peice of unsinspired garbage."


IF he does intend on releasing CD, I don't think he is going to refrain from doing that because you don't want to hear it, even if your life did depend on it.


He's a genious, that much is true, but he doesn't have the balls to "take chances." If so, where is Chinese Democracy?

The drugs thing is misinterpreted.  If Axl completed the tour, then that would have been good for the state of the band.  If he had to use coke to do that, then great.  Obviously you, and everyone else are looking too deep into the comments and it's quite annoying.  It was hypothetical and you're all taking it for real.
Slash and the rest of them are burned out from drugs.  It's obvious.  Using coke as something to help you get a tour done is more ok than using coke, heroin, booze etc to get FUCKED UP just to get fucked up, just Slash etc did.

Axl got rid of them on purpose.

Contraband+all their solo albums proves they are incapable of writing good music.  Not only is the music bad, but it surely doesn't come close to living up to the GNR name, which they were all a part of.  

He does have the balls to take chances.  He took the best band in the world apart and rebuilt it with the purpose of putting out music that lives up to the quality standards of the the GNR name.  That's a task no one would attempt, except Axl.

Better yet, completely forget "standards." Have an open mind and listen to whatever. Don't compare it to old music, good music, new music, or whatever. Listen to it, and if you like it, good. If you don't, good.

You obviously don't like it, DRUNK. And that is fine by me. Just do yourself a favor and stop talking. Saying something as insane as the Axl coke nonsense you just spewed out... it's just stupid.

I have heard a few songs from Contraband.... This isnt that good... Weiland is not my type....
And why is all the songs been written by Weiland... That is a big dissapointment... and mistake by former GNR members. :rant:

They could have stayed with Axl, instead of being Weiland "studio-muscians" :confused:

 

Im more of an STP fan but ill agree, Weiland was not in the right state of mind to be the sole writer of Contraband . Its by far his worst work ever, and it shows in many tracks. When he left STP, the band had deteriorated into arguments, drugs and fights. And when he joined VR, his creativity was obviously at an all-time low. With that said...the songs do sound much cooler live.

all credibility lost

I think if you try and compare scott to Axl, then he will never live up to it


However, dont let Scott's work (if you think it is bad) bring down the work of the others on this album.  I thought the instrumentals were great, and blow any instrumentals from the New GNR out of the water.  Compare the solos in the ballads or even the rockers to CD or the blues or Madagascar.  

In comparison of the two bands, it seems clear to me that the members of the original GNR win out, whether it is Axl vs Scott on Lyrics and vocals or Slash etc v. Buckethead etc.  At least from the New GNR songs that I have heard.

If your life is empty enough to kill yourself over a cd, you might as well go ahead and get it over with today.

Scott Weiland wrote the lyrics and music for every song on Contraband?  I don't believe it.  Maybe he wrote all the lyrics, but I don't believe for a second he wrote all the riffs and other musical parts.

I think he came up with a lot of melodies as well.

I find that hard to believe... but if this is the case, people can't bitch about "This is not what I expected from Slash" etc etc...

Best post yet. Especially the first paragraph.

no slc this is the best post right here, its dead on the money the best parts of both bands works have been the original members, which i guess is why GNR were the greatest band of all time

hey to be honest i was pretty excited bout this vr album,rushed to my local hmv,picked it up and was ready to rock but after listening to it the first time i was beyond disappointed,these guys have been blowing their own trumpet for the last few weeks,comparing some of these songs to the likes of november rain...and before you jump in i think it is important that like all of us who say we shouldnt be comparing this to old gnr,vr themselves are doing this so to stand up to this comparision they have fallen very short.
it was almost a struggle to get through the album on first listen.80% of songs on contraband sound the exact same and what really disappointed me was that these are songs that i feel me and my band could write ourselves,and have written better,and dont get me wrong this is not a plug for my band who i will not mention,my point is that all old gnr used to blow me away...just amazing works of music...contraband doesnt come close.
ive listened to it a few times and there are maybe 4 songs that appeal to me,everything else seems to sound like it was a rush recording within the 2weeks they recorded it.
another disappointing thing for me not concerning music coz believe it or not i hope these guys do good but in ireland only virgin records and hmv are carrying the album,golden discs will only special order it(3rd biggest music chain in ireland...very often cheaper)no one else ie other record stores have even heard of vr which is kinda worrying for them
just my thoughts,interested in replys  :peace:

Thank You

I'm sorry for myself for taking part in this but it brings some joy after all those arguments that GNR can't be called GNR anymore because there's no slash.........

yeah, vr don't seem to be the best, most excellent, most ass-kicking on the planet

God bless them anyway

Music standards today??

I've got Beautiful Creatures & The Darkness in my cd player.......the best to roll along in over 10 years.

Now Velvet Revolver has surpased that with the best cd since 1987.

If CD is half as good as as Contraband, I'll be as happy as a pig in shit.

Oh fuck that shit man! There's no way Axl have a better voice than Scott! Everytime Axl sings live it sounds like he have just swallowed a sandpaper and that his voice is about to give up anytime. But it's not bad, cuz the GNR songs is only complete when Axl sings, but in general his voice aint that great. I didn?t like Scotts voice at first, but when you hear Contraband it really makes you think otherwise. And by the way, Contraband rocks!

contraband is a good CD!!
Chinese Democracy will be a good CD!

Dude, out down the crack pipe and get real.

Scott isn't that good of a singer.  He's very limited, has no range, and has no power.  He's very boring.

Axl was born with a god given voice.  He can do it all. He blows people away.

You obviously haven't seen VR live.  Anybody who has doesn't doubt Scott's range for a second.  He may not exercise his range on the CDs, but he does when he performs live.



Yeah, a god given studio-produced voice.  Axl is a great singer, but he never sounded as good live as he did in the studio.  His voice was always hit and miss live, with large margins of error.  That's a fact, just listen to the bootlegs.  I like that "sandpaper" analogy that Chrill used, because that's exactly what Axl sounded like from 1988 on.  Just watch the UYI DVDs for crying out loud.  He sounded better during the 2001 Rio show and on the 2002 tour, but he didn't utilize his range at all, he's been singing in that montone high pitch voice ever since his "comeback".

I do concur that Axl is a better overall singer than Scott, but who gives a fuck?  VR rocks, and we have no Axl CD.

I basically agree with the essence of the original post and with YoungGunner. VR does absolutely nothing for me. To be fair, I haven't heard all of Contraband, but what I have heard, I'm not impressed.

It seems to me like it's just Slash's snakepit all over again. Uninspired and forgettable.

There was a time in the 90's (before Slash's snakepit) when I heard all the rumors about musical differences between the band and Axl and I actually thought that Slash and company were in the right, because I remember reading the comment from Axl about being into Industrial rock and wanting to do more songs like "My World" so I thought Slash was right for resisting.

Then I learned that Slash didn't like the slower stuff, Slash hated playing songs like Estranged, then I heard Madagascar and The Blues and realized that I think Axl was in the right all along.

Slash wants a straight forward basic boring rock band and Axl had vision. To elaborate on what YoungGunner said, Axl may suck as a person and be a prick to work with and treat his fans like shit (ahem, waiting until 11:15 to start a show and putting the audience through far too much Mix Master Mike!) but it's clear that he always the brains behind GNR and he's what made them special. You can compare it to sports. There's certain players who are superstars and there are some players who great complementary players, meaning they are great when paired with a superstar, but alone, they are mediocre. And nothing Slash and the rest of the original (or real) members of GNR have put out since then has done anything to change my mind.

It would be one thing if they were able to put out really good rock songs of the quality of Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, Night train, Rocket Queen, etc., but this Snakepit stuff, VR, Duff's solo work, just isn't up to par.

I don't blame Axl at all for not wanting to be part of stuff like the above mentioned material.

How is this CD uninspired? These men LOVE what they are doing. They have all the money in the world, but for them its about the music. The ballads alone show Scotts demons. They arent much different from Axl's.

Fall to Pieces is what I think Slash would have done to The Blues. They are one in the same song really. Axl likes his piano, but other than that, they are very similar.

I agree with the guy who said "Contraband" is a CD that grows on you. It really does. Listen to it with headphones and it blows you away. The muscianship is absolutely incredible. I can't believe people are taking this for granted. Matt Sorum lays down one of the best drums tracks of the last ten years, Slash has the most memorable solo since the Illusions records and yet people call it "rushed". The melodies are insane. Kushner brings such a cool dynamic to the band as well. His quirky sounds pepper the record in all the right places.

Buy the record. Dont sit at your computer with shitty speakers, listen to it once and tell me that "Silkworms" is better than anything on the record. This band is going to blow up whether some of you like it or not.

I was a skeptic as well, after seeing the band live, there is no turning back. Weiland polarizes a crowd like Axl. His charisma is magnetic. Then surrounding him, you have the surrogate fathers of sleaze-metal. Its an insane combination.

I saw GnR live in 2002. It was a great show. There is a big difference though, to seeing them live to a half full stadium and a club full of sweaty bodies with tickets going for 10 times the face value. Hell, at the first Philly show they were GIVING AWAY tickets to night two. It didn't make the show any less enjoyable though. It was what it was, the Axl show. He is an amazing man to watch.

Its all a matter of picking a sides to some of you. Sure, we will all love Chinese Democracy. In the meantime, some of are going to enjoy a solid rock album. Sorry to see you miss out, but sour grapes doesn't solve anything.

I like the lyrics Scott has wrote... I HATED lyrics that Slash and Duff wrote on thier Solo albums... God i was SSSOOO Dissapointed with those Solo albums... VR have some good lyrics now that Slash sticks to what he does best play guitar... Duff, play Bass...

Slash and Duff have never been that great at writing lyrics.. thats why thier solo albums blow....

Izzys 117degrees is a great album...
Axls will be a great album...

VR is a great album.... they went back to what they all do best and wrting lyrics isnt one of them for Slash and Duff...

Scott was a great fit... I would have liked to see Josh Todd get the part more but I think Scott Weiland is a bad ass none the less and hes wrote some great songs...

Fall to Pieces, Headspace and Loving the Alien all rule.. I like them better than i like Riyad or Chinese.....

but i still like OMG better than anyting on VR's disc but thats just me...

Lets be honest, for a first album and the amount of time the album was done, Contraband is a good solid album.

But after 10 years of waiting and axl "perfecting" the record as he says id be very dissapointed.

But it won't be like that, u can already tell from the songs that we've heard that it's goin to be a great album.

How about, listen to The whole contraband album one or two times before you slam it. Fuck I hate that. "What's this, ooh slash & duff, they were in g'n'r.  No axl. Scott weiland!! who the fuck is that? Oh that junkie peice of shit? fuck that it sucks!" Just give the fucker a listen or two. its good shit. if you don't like it... GET OVER IT!!!

psst. listen to STP's ablums too if you think Scott can't write lyrics and has no vocal range. Oh yeah check him out live too, STP was one of the best shows that I have ever seen.  Tons of energy and tons of talent. Seriously, he's an amazing fucking singer!!! But until you listen to his shit and give him a fair chance, don't give an ignorant fucking opinion.

TO MR DRUNK:
At time yOU were without AXL, being aliens...strangers..., having no hope, and without AXL in the world. But, when you trust AXL as your Savior and walk in His way, there are abundant benefits that are yours. You will find purpose and stability in your life.
I am not saying "everything will turn up ROSES" in your life though.  
 The AXL works in mysterious ways. Entrust your life to Him.  Don't take matters into your own hands and DO NOT take your own life. ONCE CHINESE DEMOCRACY COMES ALONG you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your heart will rejoice as when people go up with ELECTRIC GUITARS AND BASS AND DRUMS to the mountain of the AXL, to the Rock N' ROLL.  The AXL will cause men to hear his majestic voice.
PS: I LOVE CONTRABAND. SCOTT ROCKS.

That was a beautiful post. :hihi:

Not even close. Slash's work on "Fall to Pieces" is definitely something to appreciate, but the lyrics to it are horrible. It's just one cliche on top of another, with a shitty chorus mixed in. Axl would never stoop that low.

I don't mean to sound like a music snob but for people who just like to rock out...this album will do, just like any other mediaocre rock album. It has noise...and thats all that's needed. Others, who take music more seriously, meaning it plays a profound inspirational role, not just immediate pleasure the ears (due to catchiness or a cool riff) might really not see anything special here.

Like someone said...it sounds uninspired. Its cool to have it cranked up in the background while drinking a beer or watching the game. That is pretty much the only thing that it is worth - something you can fill silence with at a party - at least for me.

Those people who are saying it is one of the best rock albums since UYI are either in denial or haven't listened to any music since UYI.

Taking music more seriously? You must think of the unfinished Nu-GN'R songs like Silkworms, CD and Riyadh. I can't find 'serious music' in those songs, just mediocre incomplete ideas. The Blues and Madagascar are better, but Buckethead's solo (who is az incredible guitarist) is the most boring moment of the post-Slash GN'R era. And The Blues... I hope they'll work even in that song.

Contraband could have been better, but it's fuckin' great. Not a 10/10 record, but 7-8/10, which is quite good. Well, I think Axl is way more talented than Scott, but even Scott has a fantastic charisma nad one of the best frontmen around, but he's not a Pavarotti. But tell me, do you really think that the music on Contraband is not good? Fuckin' great ideas, surprise rhythm changes, great solos and good riffs. The 3 ballads are all fantastics... The music on this album is one of the best since AFD and UYI.  :yes:

I don't like Silkworms...CD and Riyadh are incomplete, I agree, which we haven't even heard as studio versions.  Why do you guys always bring Axl Rose back into the equation. I understand he was pertty much 90% of GnR, but lets talk about VR seperately for a minute - after all they are grown men who have moved on and are not in any way affiliated with Axl right now.


Yes, the music is good for a rock album and that is all it is: just good. Just good, as in, if its playing on the radio, people will probably not switch the station. Not good as in, one of the best in the last 15 years.  

Keep in mind, I am a huge slash fan...but name one band that is popular today, and chances are their material is equal to, if not better than what VR has released.  Names? Three Days Grace, the Darkness, powderfinger, the vines, jet, linkin park, etc. Not great bands but certainly not worse than VR.  The last 15 years have produced artists which are leagues better than what VR has offered us on Contraband.

I`ll kill myself anyway

I like Contraband.  I don't care about anyone else.  I care about myself.  Contraband has 5 high quality songs and the others are growing on me.


Hell you have to have an album for a while before you make a decision.  I didn't give BAd Apples from UYI a chance and then one day I got into it.  

I was the same for Pretty Tied Up.

Slash only wrote some lyrics on the first Snakepit album.  He wrote none on the second.


Noooo of course not.  Instead of stooping to that level, he ascended the highest possible plateau by placing his name on that pile of shit "Silkworms".  ::)

Yeah, a huge fan.  So huge you think he was less than 10% of the band...

Yes, Booker. I am a huge Slash fan as a guitarist but at the same time, GnR would never ever ever ever be what they are without Axl. If Slash was replaced by another good guitarist, I am pretty sure we would still have GnR or at least a close version of it.  As a guitarist, he is great, but alot of great guitarists can be replaced without a drastic band makeover.

Besides, if I really like Slash, do I also have to like Snakepit, which in my mind were a joke...and look, snakepit was pretty much GnR with a different singer.

Oh yes, the classic, chart topping rock titans Hollywood Rose would be ruling the scene.   ::)



Are you kidding?  You think any other guitarist but Slash could've made "Sweet Child o Mine" what it was?  "Estranged"?  Surely you're joking.  There would be no GNR without Slash.  GNR was the five of them.  No less than the five of them could've made it work.  Axl was 1/5 just like the other four.  He just thinks he's more.

Two ballads convince you Axl was right?   ::)  Never mind the mediocre rockers we've heard ("Chinese Democracy" and "Rhiad"), and the godawful "Silkworms" and "Oh My God".  The ballads are good, but the other four made me glad the original members refused to be a part of that kind of shit.


And which of the six Axl songs are inspired and memorable?  Certainly neither of the ballads.  Granted, they both sound really good (minus the stupid quotes in "Madagascar"), but they both cover the exact same territory of earlier Axl penned ballads.  Nothing original.  And the rockers are average and familiar, and the two industrial songs are pure rubbish.  VR may be straightforward, but if you want to compare inspiration, they've got one up on Axl in the "inspired" category.


No, instead he's part of familiar ballads, average rockers, and industrial crap.  Yes, Axl, you've been in the right all along.   ::)

The bottomline is that every one of Axl's new songs is stunningly brilliant.  Simply amazing.

this may be true, i dont have the albums in front of me to check , but all i know is that "Be The Ball" was written by Slash alone..

and i can remember waiting everyday for the release date for the 2 Snakepit albums and being there that day at openining time to buy them and how fucking dissapointent I was when i got home....

and let down I was when I got Duffs solo album...

Shit I even bought "The Coneheads" Soundtrack to hear Slash play with Micheal Monroe...

sooo i was skeptical of this VR album... I had been let down 3 or 4 times in a row!!!

but come on this album is a good album!!! i love the guitar slide on the intro to Slither....

Loving the Alien, Fall To Pieces, HeadSpace..I dig those right away ...

CD, Rhiayd, Maddy.... Those had to grow on me...

The first 3 songs from VR did not... I liked them right away.....


if you heard the songs and didnt know its old GnR members i think most people would like this CD.....If your like Rock n Roll you will like this CD...

I like Josh Todd better but thats just me....
I like Brides of Destruction better than VR but thats just me...
I like VR coz it rocks.... Its fucking Rock n Roll and thats what i like...

Indeed!  I bet "Silkworms" wins a fucking grammy.   :P

Silkworms is a classic song.  It's got a sour punk type attitude, along with some great well places synthetic melodies.  It kicks ass.  Maybe you should open your mind up a bit, and give it another listen.  It's not what you'd expect from Axl or GNR, that's why you have a problem with it.

 u cant compared a shitty bootleg of silk worms to a studio track

but yes the boot silk worms was as good as the boot slither

saying this the studio slither sounds 10 times better than the boot did

id be interested to see how awesome studio versions of those axl songs sound

cause a live version isnt any indication of how great it will sound in the studio

slash is awesome on contraband, but yet slash was awesome on the snakepit cds

but how long can u listen to guitar? u know, i mean i dont see any instrumental guitar albums topping the charts so that tells u that vocals,lyrics and melodies are a great part

and quite frankly since slash left GNR he hasnt had anyone to compliment his awesome guitar playing vocally or lyrically or melodically, im giving this album a great chance i mean im struggling hard to like it, and right now its on par with aerosmiths honkin on bobo

i listened to aerosmith bout twice and i think its in the trunk of my car somewhere, and if this album doesnt improve soon its gonna be joining it or its gonna be used as a coaster for my beverages at my computer desk

that being said and ive said it a million times

from new gnr to VR what the old members do kicks ass what the new people have contributed has been average at best, which is why Guns N fuckin Roses is the greatest god damn band in the history of music

5 guys, u take one away the structure falls

that being said, GNR Chinese Democracy will be better simply cause the vocals,lyrics and melodies will be greater

i think new GNR can come closer to slash,duff and izzy than scott can come to axl

now the new gnr can never replace the old band but they can come closer than scott has to replacing axl

as long as the riffs are solid the solos are decent couple that with axl's amazing vocals,lyrics and melodies, u got a huge winner

greatest music in the world doesnt matter if u got shit lyrics and vocals over top of it, scotts vocals are ok but his lyrics  geezzzz read the booklet alone without listening and if u are like me u are shakin your head going "what the fuck"

is it ironic that all the bitching about axl going in such a different direction but yet the best song by far on contraband in my opinion is "loving the alien" which is fuckin awesome! this is the only song besides slither that i actually look forward to listening to over and over, and loving the alien is very different than everything else on the cd and shows what potential this band has if they'd just keep evolving in this vein

disclaimer:  im basing this on first listen, so u know next week i could be raving how this is the greatest cd ever, so keep this in mind while reading the above post. slash's guitar work is so fuckin amazing i miss him so bad with axl!

Yeah, its called artists evolving.


How about Estranged...did Steven make that work? How about November Rain? The genius that is Adler must be surely responsible for that masterpiece.

To even claim that someone like Matt or Duff or Steven is just as much responsible for these gems as Axl...is a slap in the face. There are thousands of rock n roll bands out there...guess who's the most important? Yes, the singer.
Take, a crap band like Nickelback, replace the singer with Axl...you get a brilliant band. Take a crap band like nickelback and replace the whole damn band with any previous GnR members other than Axl and you still have good ol' nickelback - except with some funky sounds.

And the whole 1/5 theory is rediculous. Lets take Snakepit...we had Gilby, we had Slash, we had Matt, 3 of the people that played Estranged (I think Izzy wrote instead of Gilby though). Lets see here, so by logic, Snakepit shouldn't be that bad...right?  But, unfortunately, that's what's missing...logic.

A classic?   :rofl:  Yeah, I'm sure it'll be regarded as one of the all-time greats if a studio version ever gets released.  I'm sure it'll find its way onto radio stations and retrospective rock music compilations the world over.  And the sheer brilliance of its lyrics will bemuse and bewilder songwriters for generations to come.   :hihi:


Oh god, shut the hell up with that "open your mind" SHIT.  I don't give a fuck how many times I listen to it, it's going to be crap every time.

Hey, maybe you should "open your mind" and give Contraband another listen.

Yeah, didn't think so.   :P


You're right, I expect quality material from such a talented songwriter as Axl.  Granted, he didn't write it, but he performed it under the GNR name.


Wrong.  I have a problem with it because it's crap by any standards (even rappers would be ashamed of such a song), and inexcusable by GNR standards.

That's your opinion. Many people here can agree that Silkworms is a piece of shit (and if Ivan's rumor is true, Axl doesn't seem to like it too much either). If you really believe it's a great song, good for you.  


Yeah, Dizzy, maybe you should do some coke - it'll help you open your mind and enjoy the song...

How many more listens will it take, DRUNK, in order to enjoy the song?
 

I'm glad you think you know what people base their opinions on.

Only in your mind.  Hollywood Rose would've simmered and died without the other original GNR members, and Axl Rose would be back stealing from malls in Indiana.


God, what bullshit.  You are have an apt username, no doubt.   :P   The singer more important than any other band member?  You are so far beyond explanations that it's no longer amusing.  Apparently you forget (or probably just didn't know) that original members WRITE songs.  Slash WROTE the parts for "Sweet Child o Mine" and "Estranged".  Sure, another guitarist could learn to play them.  But they couldn't have written them.  Those songs wouldn't be nearly what they were without Slash, and you're only kidding yourself if you believe they would be.

And yes, the original band IS as responsible for "Estranged" as Axl, because if Axl had brought that song to the new band, it would be nothing more than a bunch of clicks, whistles, and electronic farts, with some mindless Buckethead shredding thrown in for good (bad) measure.


Like hell.  It took 5 members to make Guns N Roses work, and it doesn't work as well with one or more missing.  Get it through your head: Axl Rose is NOT Guns N Roses.  End of story.

Jesus Christ, Dizzy is a fucking moron.  :confused:

WHOA!  I am dumbfounded by the eloquence and intelligence found in this reply!  WOW!  Did mommy help you with that?  She didn't?  Get out of here, you managed to formulate such a humbling, intellectually superior reply such as that on your own?  Damn, somebody give the drunk a prize!  

Well I am completely defeated here!  There's no possible way I could conjure up an intelligent reply to refute that remarkable display of genius!

Well done!   : ok:

I have to agree with the singer thing.
The singer IS the most important person in the band.
Case and point Van Halen.
They have had three singers: Roth, Haggar and Gary Sharone.
And with each new singer the band got worse.
Sharone was just bad for VH, Haggar was good but not nearly as good as roth.

So that band had the same backing band and three singers and the singer made a huge difference.

You can say the songs estranged and scom would not be the same without slash that is fine, and look at nov rain and just the piano versions, its still amazing.
And another guitarist would have written great solos for those songs.
God people talk like shit is the best guitarist ever and that without slash gnr would not have any great solos.
Well the madagascar solo is great and so is the blues solo.
Robin wrote the blues solo and BH the maddy one.
And  you can't say what kind of solos they would have had since the blues has no electronic farts as  you called them in it, and BH can write great non shredding solos, didnt you hear electric tears?

Other guitarists can also write good solos, you slash fans know that right?
And about SCOM, if slash had his way, that intro never would have been used since axl had to twist slashs arm to keep playing it.

Bascially VR is gnr without axl, and its nowhere near as good as AFD or the UYIs.
We are still waiting on Axl but madagascar is one of the best gnr songs ever and that is a so called B side.

The only thing that is inspiring from Contraband is Weilands "Thank You Notes" to his wife,  in the back of the booklet...

Im done with the boards for a lil {Even though Dizzy is tempting me to respond,but whatever}.... peace to all

The singer could be the most important part of a band, but it's not necessary. If you take Plant out of Led Zep or replace with someone, I agree it won't be Led Zep. But if you take Page out, it's not Led Zep. They finished the whol LZ thing with Bonham dead and they were right. Same for GN'R - if the wrote an album after Izzy's left, it wouldn't be GN'R, 'cause he was a big factor. And with only Axl, it's not GN'R - do you think John Lennon's past Beatles recordings were Beatles? Or Robert Plant made the Led Zep records of the 80s and 90s? Well, I know, that Axl is so special that he is the only one who was a band himself, and he could team even with MC Hammer, the result would be GN'R. I understand that people with a less musical understand always identify the singer with a band, baecause they don't have any idea about the music.

Are you kidding that the Madaascar solo can be compared with any Slash solo? I fell asleep when BH starts that boring solo. I respect the guy, he's really fast and a skliied player, but lacks the musical fantasy. That's it. The solo for Blues is much better, but CD solo simply sucks, and Robin Finck is not consiedred to be a good guitarist. He didn't write a song before he joined GN'R - when CD will be released we'll know if he has any talent. I think he doesn't.

VR is not GN'R without Axl, 'cause Izzy's not there.
GN'R is not only Axl - the new 'GN'R' songs are really far from AFD or UYI.
You can believe that Madgascar is only a B-side. It's fiction, we'll see the truth. Someday.

i must agree there

i havent heard a good solo from new gnr yet

xcept for the nightrain bucket head solo

but the original songs are lackin that dept

but maybe axl is gettin away from that type of stuff? u think?

I agree with DRUNK here! Contraband is overproduced, modern, filler rock. Where are the memorable riffs and solos? Why does Weiland sound like a computer? Where's the raw rock sound?

Axl is doing the right thing. I would rather hear no Chinese Democracy than an awful record. Contraband is so bad, I wish it didn't come out.

By the way, don't mention how badly Slash and co have abused drugs, because you know Axl has done 10x more than all of them. ;)

Drunk, if you don't have anything to say, don't even try.



/jarmo

The solo during the MLK quotes in Maddy?

OMG has more great guitar work than most rock groups manage in their entire careers.....

I find The Blues extremely inspired and memorable.. I don't get what you mean by "the exact same territory", of course Axl is talking about a relationship and love there - should no one do ballads about those subjects anymore? It's not just generic babble about a breakup either, he's specifically talking about being disillusioned, describing the moment when you realize that a lot the beauty you saw in a person was created by your own romantic mind. I don't think he's repeating himself in any way. Also, the song is musically quite different from previous GNR ballads.

sorry izzy i meant on a SCOM,NR,estranged kind of memorable way, i do sing along to the blues solo though
maddy i cant really make it out the versions ive heard, chinese democracy solo is shite!*to steal a word from u*lol

fall to pieces loving the aliens and you got no right sound like sketches of song, like the idea or story isnt developed its just rhyming lines but not much meaning i can relate to there

but with the blues, reading those lyrics on their own break your heart and make u relate them to a bad heartbreak u've went thru

axl captures the moment like very few songwriters can

when axl writes a song like maddy or the blues u chillbump u feel it, u relate and even cry to it,

with VR i havent gotten any kind of chillbumps and i havent been able to relate toany of it so far, although its good it dont hit me in the same spot maddy and the blues do

ive been listening to maddy and the blues since 2001 thats 3 years, i cant say ill be listening to any of these VR songs in 6 months to be honest

thats the difference in myopinion!

Just shut your mouth "DRUNK"

If you don't like CONTRABAND, then keep it for yourself..

If he doesn't like the cd, he probably won't want to keep it for himself.

I know, I'm about as funny as an enema.

Is this about the Dizzy is an idiot comment?  If so, then it's justified.  He's not only said similar things to me before, but he says them often.  Take a look.

Yes Jarmo, by all means take a look.  And you won't find anything of the kind anywhere.  Never do I say "hey you're a fucking idiot" or anything such as that.  Instead, I use logic and reason, both of which DRUNK obviously finds offensive.

Drunk is just another person that probably is so into new gnr that if he even bothered to play contraband he was looking at his axl pic and was like "I'm shutting this off, this isn't anything like chinese d, axl's the best, I hate everything that isn't chinese d.."


It's amazing how much hate these supposed gnr fans of old have towards three ex members that gave you music in a shortperiod of time even with having to find a singer then later get through scott's drug problems.. I think it shows character n class, they are a tight group with chemistry, 5 guys rocking, complete with ballads n hard rockers, no overdone massive production, they keep it simple like rock should be..

I think their's a bit of jealousy out there as well, people angry because they got their act together and released and album in  short period of time and it's been excepted pretty well, having positive stuff said about it.. Just because axl's making people wait doesn't mean you should take it out on the guys giving you music, if you're pissed at anyone, get on axl's ass..He has the 13  tour dates that went down the tubes...

COntraband is a good all around album, and I'm enjoying it now, and will for years to come, but I hope axl's album is better because we've all waited a long time with extreme patience, shit I've been waiting since they handed me SI in 93 :'(

I'm pretty sure before "Silkworms," Axl says something like "This is a song by Chris Pittman" (so no one confuses it as one of his own?) and in interviews they've all but confirmed it won't appear on the album. I don't know if "Silkworms" is necessarily a case of Axl "placing his name" on a shit song (and I agree, it most definitely is a shit song); rather it's Axl adding a shit song to a concert setlist for the shits and giggles of someone involved with the band. At worst, it's a "So Fine"-ish throwaway track that, again, is just there to appease someone involved with the band and everyone knows it.

As far as VR/Contraband are concerned, I think "Fall to Pieces" is a pretty accurate reflection of what the band does and does not have. Slash's guitars are tight, but the complete lack of any songwriting talent ruins the song. Weiland is a talented singer, probably with a better sounding voice than Axl. However, he doesn't have Axl's range and sounds pretty ridiculous on certain tracks, whereas Axl does a good job on both ballads and rockers. If Weiland hangs around, I think they should stick to songs complimented by his voice instead of trying to push him to areas he's certainly going to fail to pull off. He seems to be best just laying down a note and letting it carry, and rather monotonous trying to do anything else.

The two main criticisms of Stone Temple Pilots were than their songs sound mostly the same and the lyrics are too simplistic for the songs to have any artistic merit. From what we have with Contraband, it's beginning to appear like these criticisms were specifically of Weiland's limitations as singer/songwriter and will follow wherever he goes. I think VR will be most successful accepting these limitations and playing off them, with "Fall to Pieces" as a good example of what will happen if they don't.

Silkworms is a good song and the lyrics are very brash.
I love the beat and synth in the song. I think the studio version would kick ass.
And what interview said it wont be on the album?  Fortus even said he got a certain kind of guitar to play silkworms live.

dave, whats going on? you really think silkworms is good? I don't...... the lyrics is shit, the song itself is shit.......god I really hope Axl said what the argentinian dude said he did, that he doesn't like silkworms, cos it's the biggest piece of crap ever composed by a great songwriter....if you don't count My World that is...

Edited to say: So Fortus will play a baritone guitar, whoooh, big deal, you're probably not gonna notice any difference if he does or not, unless you're a musician of course, which I can't imagine you are...

i think rhiad sucks simply cause the version of it is so unaudible u cant make out whats goin on, same with silkworms, a proper studio version could be quite good

silkworms by the way was written by dizzy and chris

so they are to blame if u dont like it, not axl

of course, Axl is to blame that they ever got to play it in the first place....I know it was written by Dizzy and Chris, but Axl should have put a stop to the whole thing, which he didn't. and that might lead us to think that all kinda weird music is accepted on the album he says he's got in store for us.

I will be happy if the story of the argentinian dude is true, mostly because he said he didn't like Silkworms.

Edit: I just wanted to say that Rhiad will most likely be a kick ass song, studio recorded, and I don't think we got the real feel of the song from when it was performed live, which was probably why Axl skipped it on the US tour 2002, cos it wasn't up to par yet. : ok:

Yes I know they wrote it, but Axl and co. performed it under the Guns N Roses name in concert.  So he is to blame as well.

Same way you can't fault only Axl for "My World".  It may be his "moment", but the entire band consented its release on the record.

Yes I like the song, I think its good.  The lyrics are not shit, if you think they are shit then i guess you think double talkin jives lyrics are shit too right?

You are not seeing my point about the baritone guitar, he said he got one to play silkworms live, so why would they play a song live that wont be on the album?

yeah I know dave, but I find it hard to believe that Silkworms will be good enough to make it to CDs playlist, I'll be surprised if it does. Maybe a B-side on one of the singles, but not more than that!

ok then, the lyrics might not be as bad as I made the impression of them being in the last post, but Double Talkin' Jive was way better, and it was written by Izzy wasn't it? that means other meaning and other intentions with the words (of course) : ok:.

OH DTJ is better?  If you think silkworms lyrics are bad then DTJs are just as bad. Or take get in the ring, those are not very good either but they made the album.

Double Talking Jive

Found a head and an arm in da garbage can
Don't know why I'm here
Livin' on the run for oh so long
I gotta go collect
Double talkin' jive
Get the money motherfucker
'Cause I got no more patience
Double talkin'
-I got (lies)-
No more patience man

Back in town an'a all new friends
They sayin' how ya been?
Fucked up and outta place
That's how I felt back then
Double talkin' jive
Get the money motherfucker
'Cause I got no more patience
Double talkin'
-I got (lies)-
No more patience man
You dig what I'm sayin'?!


Silk Worms (hob)

Listen motherfuckers to this song that should be heard
Back down in the gutter, it?s more than you deserve
Screaming fucking banshie, you know that's what you are
Pussy full of maggots, isn't that a shock

What can I do?
With a bitch like you
You know that it?s true
All I have
I ask you
I'll be dammed
with a bitch like you

you're a dreamer with your head out in the stars
Fucking little schemer got yourself a broken heart
Syphilitic preachers baby I know who you are
Parasitic demons sucking acid through your heart

What can I do?
With a bitch like you
You know that it?s true
All I have
I ask you
I'll be dammed
with a bitch like you

no they are not, not to me. plus, the DTJ lyrics flows sooo much better with the song than Silkworms does.

How do the lyrics not flow for silkworms?

Im sorry dave, it just sounds misplaced to me. if it sounds good for you than Im happy for you, but i just doesn't do anything for me, other than annoy me a bit..! : ok:

Follow the instructions given in the other thread.  Goodnight

Once again, contradiction. Throughout the years all I read on these boards is how "Uncle Axl has gathered a bunch of frekas and told them what to play and how to play it, Hes controlling the show, Hes a control freak, etc,etc"....

But when Axl and this band is the exact opposite of what a lot of people think or want to believe, you get comments like above.

Pittman and Dizzy came up with a song and the band felt like playing it at a few shows. Because a couple of fans dont liek it, and the same peopel who complain about Axl's iron fist are the same people complaining that he should have stopped it.

Look, we all know Silkworms isnt a classic or meant to bring GNR back to the top again. Its 1 song out of a shitload of songs. And we dont even know if it will be on the the first album.

I personally liek te song a lot. I play it all the time {vegas version}. Its a fun song that pumps me up...musically atleast. The lyrics arent inspiring we know that. But not every song gnr has written or will write will be inspiring. Its rock n roll.

Anyways I just find it funny when I read some people always yap about how this band is Axls band and then when a song that he didnt write gets played he gets blamed for allowing it to be played.

DTJ and Silkworms are both kick ass songs. They arent meant to take the world by storm or anything. They are just fun songs. Different type of songs. And I cant wait to hear the studio version of Silkworms. The effects in that song are awesome. Cant wait...

It still amazes me how you can spell every word right except for "PEOPLE" and "LIKE". I know you like phenetics and all, but come on now, you can't be that "dum".

Anyways... I dont understand how Weiland is uninspired. His wife left him with the kids and he went on a heroin binge and almost comitted suicide. This is vs. Axl's having too much money problems? Maybe "The Blues" is about that Pegasus he bought.

If you dont like the songs, whatever, thats fine. I just take offense to calling something these muscians seem so proud of, uninspired.

It still amazes me that you care. My typing sux, what can I say....

As for inspiring thing...Scott has gone through some tough shit...tell him to write and sing about it then we can have something to inspire to...

ok im gonna be 100 percent honest

lyrically the song is awesome

axl doesnt seem to put all of himself into it but i love that fuckin song

the music is kinda shitty though

silk worms lyrics are better than most of the VR songs lyrics but its not a better song, so dont jump on my ass ,it isnt better than most of the VR stuff

but i really love silk worms, it, like oh my god, takes a special mood to be in to appreciate fully

Me too...  I hope we get a studio version  :yes:
as far as the lyrics...  I like 'em!
they're funny!  in a nasty/mean funny kind of way...  and I love the voice Axl uses on it  ;D
Silkworms rocks  : ok:

and you make a good point younggunner about how Axl kinda 'cant win' with some fans...
if he allows the other guys stuff - people talk shit about he shouldn't
and if he doesn't then he is a dictator  ::)

Come on...how are you going to criticize somebody for their phonetics and spell it wrong.  Unless Im missing the irony (but since you put parenthesis around the misspelled words, I dont think I am).


To be fair, that criticism is just as silly as the one toward Weiland.  Axl has more than just "money problems".


Agreed...

The lyrics on "Fall To Pieces" are sincere, straightforward and easy to relate to.  But I dont belong to the "Simple = Sucks" contingent...A lot of the criticism about the lyrics also took place when they were posted up here, before many had even heard the song.  Lyrics to a rock song on paper are a far cry from the actual performance.  "November Rain" is pretty simple song, lyrically.  But its sung with conviction and it sounds good.  I feel the same way about "FTP".  But if you feel differently, then so be it.

No1 is saying every song you write has to be a complicated lyrical masterpiece. But when your hwole album doesnt offer anything great lyrically, its a fair complaint. I love GNR because they wrote some simple stuff and complicated stuff. It worked both ways.
A song can be great lyrically and simple at the same time. Look at the blues. Its not estranged lyrically et it still is awesome.

FTp, he keeps syaing the same thing over and over.

"To MAry, the only women for me. Its been a rough yet wonderful journey that God has lead us through and laid out before us, but I am so incredibly grateful for where we are standing today."

that is more inspiring than...
"Its been a long year/Since You've been gone/Ive been alone here/I keep a jounal of Memories/Im feeling lonely, I cant breathe/All the years Ive tried/with more to go/will the memories die/im waiting/will i find you/can i find you...
dont forget FTP qquite a few times

Well, since I dont share that opinion, I guess the argument ends there.

honestly i think i would like fall to pieces better if that idiot journalist hadnt compared it to november rain, i was expecting something amazing

its a good song dont get me wrong but that reviewer made it sound like it was ungodly which it isnt, its not even the best slow song on the record, LTA wins that to me ygnr is close


i agree though booker, now thinking about it, simple lyrics dont equal shit

Isn't this whole lyrics stuff little bit offfftopic

 :rofl:

Maybe so, but I think the "I'll kill myself" shit more than ran its course.

here is a different version/transcription of the lyrics and it includes that line:
Guns N? Roses ? Silkworms

Listen motherfuckers to this song that should be heard
Thrown down in the gutter , it?s more than you deserve
Kneeling fucking virgin, you know that?s what you are
Pussy for a maggot,isn?t that a shock

What can I do? With a bitch like you
You know that it?s true
All I have ask of you
I?ll be dammed
If it?s not true
A bitch like you

Get your head down in the sky
Fucking little schemer got yourself a broken heart
Syphilitic preachers baby I know who you are
Parasitic demons sucking acid through your heart

What can I do? With a bitch like you
You know that it?s true
All I have ask of you
I?ll be dammed
If it?s not true
A bitch like you

What can I do? With a bitch like you
You know that it?s true
All I have ask of you
I?ll be dammed
If it?s not true
A bitch like you


 :peace:

I just pulled out the Vegas and Rio bootlegs and listened to that song (first time in a long time), and the line is definitely "screaming fucking banshee" on both performances.  I guess I read the "kneeling fucking virgin" on the site somewhere rather than heard it on a bootleg.

Personally I dont put much of anything up there with Nov Rain.  FTP is pretty good musically. Its has a nice rift and flows good and has a nice ballad sound. But the lyrics to the song don't really move me the way an old school GnR ballad does.  Lyrically and Vocally its not in the league of UYI ballads and the lyrics have something missing.

Double Talkin' Jive at least has a point. It uses mafia gangsters collecting money as a metaphor for the impatient record company pressing the band to finish their album. Maybe it is a bit simplicistic, but that is at least an attempt to salvage a hint of artistic merit into a track that is obviously only on the record for the purpose of taking a potshot at Geffen.

As far as I can tell, the lyrics to Silkworms are just a bunch of words that carry no meaning beyond a literal level. In that regard, Silkworms is a lot closer to a Velvet Revolver song than one from GN'R. I would be seriously disappointed if Silkworms is one of the 18 tracks.

THey should just take silkworms and give it to Dizzy for use with his side little band, Hookers n' blow. Let them do it. It has some lyrics but musically its not GnR or New GnR the other 4 songs we have heard sound good, silk worms will be a song if used on CD, that DJ's will use to rip apart GnR and say how bad they suck.

Hey, that's actually not a bad idea. From the bootlegs, we've all heard a lot of quality material from the Appetite/Illusions era that will never see an official release. I'm sure there are a lot of GN'R throwaways that would be quality tracks, but just can't make the cut for a $13 million album. Dizzy's involvement with GN'R should be a good enough reason for him (or someone similar) to get the tracks they don't use.

Whoa.... slow down there, buddy.

"November Rain" might be the most lyrically complex song of 90's rock.

Let me just say you're WAY off if you think that song is about a girl.

I think this is an example of the main reason why people make the mistake of putting shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums. They limit their experience of music to their ears, while excluding their minds.

NO1 is disputing that

When they release 3 albums of their own material, and they tour on that material, are they still a cover band?

...

So like I said, its a pretty simple song, lyrically.

Of course they aren't a cover band after three albums... but when you have zero albums and you play more "covers" than originals, you may, more often than not, be called a cover band.

Uh, informed people don't put "shit like "Nevermind" on the same level as the "Use Your Illusions" albums." for good reason.

One changed the face of music, the other(s) didn't.

Eh... I don't listen to AfD to this day because it changed "the face of music" when it was released so this argument is pretty weak.

There's no argument, so "weak" is irrelevent.

Ok?
If you want to call gnr a cover band after that last tour, go for it. When its all said and done, they have their own musical contributions to share.

Grunge sucks, and Nirvana was/is WAY over rated. Not to beat a dead horse but Kobain was a pussy who couldn't handle his own demons.

That's your opinion, which is fine.

However, musical history doesn't share your point of view and does/will continue to reflect that.

 

nirvana ushered in what i like to call the "fuckin poser era"

i wonder what nirvana die hards listen to these days? i say half the grunge crowd started dancing like backstreet and timberlake

nothing worse than rich kids acting poor, being poor i took that as a fuckin insult



anyhow nr moves me, fallin topieces doesnt, however ygnr and lta do move me, but ftp is just not happening for me like i thought it would

Well, you're wrong again, but I guess there's no point in talking about "November Rain" when Contraband just came out with classics like "Fall to Pieces"...

Fall to pieces, I'm falling
Fell to pieces, and I'm still falling

I don't know how anyone could confuse this level of genius as simplistic. Weiland's explicit command of the past and present tense is enough to make your head spin.

You know... Slash clearly put a lot of effort into the guitar parts for that song, probably something he's been working on for a while. I'm surprised Slash fans aren't a bit annoyed at the way Weiland butchered the song. Maybe they can put together another reality television show to document their search for a legitimate songwriter.

Nirvana were far from posers.  Cobain and Co. changed the face of rock and roll and their influence remains today.  Kurt wrote amazing lyrics and beautifully simple and catchy songs.  Along with PearlJam, Soundgarden and AIC they appealed to a whole generation (Me Included).  Kids couldn't identify with an high octane, drug induced, sex-fest of glam rock any longer.  Instead they were in tune with the anger and depression of grunge. That was the reason for the change in scenery of rock & roll. IMO. But hey this (post or site) is far from a grunge discussion place so why is it always broought up.  G'n'R was as far from the grunge bands of the early '90's as you can get. We should stay on topic

And to say that Weiland is a terrible song writer?  Come on, Scott is a musical genius. He has it all. Wasn't it stated in an interview somewhere that he took all the VR songs apart and reconstructed them around his lyrics? anyway I thought I read that.  regardless throughout his career I thought he's been able to come up with amazing lyrics. And I don't think that you can exactly say Weiland doesn't have any vocal range.  I think he's one of the most talented singers I will see in my lifetime. But,hey, thats just my opinion

Nirvana didn't change shit. They were the most popular grunge band , yes. But they didn't change shit on their own, and Nevermind didn't change shit on it's own.

If you wanna delude yourself that Kurt came up with something different that no other band had done before, and hence caused a revolution in the blink of an eye then you're doing a huge disservice to the other grunge bands of the time.

Also, although Nirvana were popular and part of the grunge revolution before Kurts death, his death along with the Nevermind album became symbols of that era. So leading to them being used as the main point of reference when people look at what someone called "musical history".

There have been many changes to the music scene over the years and they should show how being the pioneer of a style or sound, or part of a movement is not the  same as being the most popular band of a movement.

Next someone will be telling me the Sex Pistols were responsible for punk and changed music forever.  ::)

@#$%Muther

Not only were they the most popular.  But the FIRST to make it.  Then the others started to follow suit. And music did pretty much do a 180 because like I said glam rock was the way (Tesla, Poison, Warrant, G'n'R, Ozzy, Etc) screechey solos and high pitched singing was no longer 'cool' and monotone singing and simpler guitar riffs were. and,from what i remember, it was "overnight".

and I did say along with the other grunge bands, Nirvana appealed to a new generation of listeners

Nirvana, Mark Lanegan, QOTSA, NIN, Depeche Mode, Pearl Jam, Audioslave, VR, GN'R.....  :P


Do we NEED another Nirvana thread?

Some of you sure love to talk about Nirvana in the Guns N' Roses section.  :confused:


/jarmo

Sorry jarmo! won't happen again.

Sorry, that was my fault.

I mentioned Nirvana's "Nevermind" because the basis of that album seems to be limited to sound while ignoring any thought stimulating lyrical merit. Only the sound and never the mind.  ;D Because of the lyrical limitations on "Nevermind" compared to the complex lyrics in most of the "Use Your Illusions" songs like November Rain, I thought the Nirvana/GN'R comparison might be a viable analogy to what is holding back "Contraband."

I had no idea it would spin this thread off into hysterical insanity.