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axl i bet has logged into MTV.com and i bet he has listened to contraband and he has to be licking his chops, he has to listen to that and know that all he has to do is release his album and he will win by a first round knockout
no song on contraband comes close to the blues or maddy and those arent the big guns

so does anyone think the mediocrity of contraband and the lawsuits by his former friends will influence and motivate him to kick their asses by releasing Chinese Democracy?

   Well since the Velvet Revolver album is mediocre (IMO and others on this board), except for a few songs, maybe it is a good thing Axl did not release Chinese Democracy first.  Yes, the songs off of Contraband will get air play, just like audioslave did, but that is mostly because this group is viewed as a super-group, but like audioslave after a few months the hype will die down and then Axl will be able to make his move and release Chinese Democracy.  
   Then the spotlight and hype will all be on Axl and he won?t lose any steam because if Contraband were to come out after CD.  The greatest hits album has almost run it?s course and the time is finally here for Axl to make his move.   The world still cares about Axl and Gn?r even though some people on this board would like to tell us otherwise.  

A lot of old Gn?r fans claim the new songs we have heard so far are not as good as the old bands songs, but that is not the important question. The important question is, are the new songs as good or better than the current mainstream songs on the radio today? And IMO the answer to that is YES. I think Madagascar, the Blues and Chinese Democracy are just as good if not better than a lot of the music on the radio right now, not to mention they are better than almost all of the songs off of Contraband, and those songs are not even the ?big guns? that Axl has in store for us.

Axl can correct everything that he messed up at the end of the 2002 tour and everything will be forgiven and forgotten if he can deliver on Chinese Democracy.  If Axl has learned from his mistaken he will take back his place as the best front man in music and guns n roses can become one of the biggest band in the world once again.  All he has to do is have faith the music he and his band has made is great and just put it out.  

Not one bit, he has known how good his material is/isn't for years now. He has been waiting all of this time because it either isn't that good and he can't finish. Or he emotionally has just realized he can't handle the rigors of all that goes into releasing a new album and promoting it. If the album is an all time classic he certainly would want to share it, but there is some underlyng reason not vr related that has kept him from doing so.

I don't think that ythe Contraband will influence on Democracy, I'm sure he logged on MTV and listened, but just curious.

well i guess its time for axl to finish it now. all we need is for him to get off his ass.
that's it.  

or its so good he can release it whenever he wants....


but i think the main reasons why it hasnt been out yet is...
badluck,contracts,lawsuits, leaving your private life and going back into the spotlight, and bucktes leaving....but who cares eventually it will come out....

 8)<------ Axl when CD is finally released

 ;D :beer: :peace:<-------us true GNR fans once CD is released

 :nervous: :confused: :crying: :-[ :o<-----VR when CD is released



 ;)

yeah, maybe I'm drawing straws, but I think a lot of potential stress will be off of Axl and GNR after 'Contraband' comes out. And honestly, I think most people will see 'Contraband' as mediocre, and that will probably make the anticipation increase for a lot of casual fans.

i reckon axl wont really give a toss about contraband. He may listen to it and love it, just because he aint working with these guys anymore does not mean he cant like it.

Axl wouldn't give a shit about it. Only if he started getting bagged in the media if Contraband is MASSIVE success would he start realising he's become a joke about taking so long to release the album. Then and only then would he even put a bit of effort into giving the album a kick along.

I think Velvet Revolver's stuff is ok'ish in much the same way Slash's Snakepit's stuff was ok'ish. A few good tracks and a number of ok'ish tracks. I think there's alot more going for Velvet Revolver than there ever was for Slash's Snakepit (although on the 1st Slash's Snakepit album -It's Five O'clock Somewhere-, there really were some great tracks on there, *dime store rock* *beggars & hangers-on* *i hate everybody (but you)* *back and forth again* for example. The lead singer too, he was really good. *be the ball* that track always reminded me of the theme tune to the old TV series HAWAII FIVE-O)

What i've always found odd is, ever since Slash left (sacked, whatever) GN'R there were never anymore of those great guitar epic's that were all over the Use Your Illusion albums.

CD won't even be close to VR, cause it's not the same music.
VR : rock n roll.
CD : ?????????

well I think he will be very interested in what kind of record VR have build up..definetely..I don't remember what interview it was but Axl said something that he won't definetely want to booze up their career or give them royalties/money for releasing all kind of GN'R stuff...it was a radio interview..so if Axl is that interested in that kind of cases, he will definetely want to see how is VR doing and if he can beat them with CD.

Hey guys, we don't even know if Axl is EVER going to release his album, so don't jump the gun here.  With his credibility among the general public in shambles, and Velvet Revolver coming out with a rocking album that is generating a huge buzz in the rock world, I think it's going to be quite difficult for Axl to compete if in fact this is some sort of competition with his former bandmates.  Axl may very well have a masterpiece under wraps, but it's going to have to be just that in order to make most people care about him again.  

While I fully admit to being a Slash/Duff loyalist (always have been, always will be), I really take no pleasure at all in the mess Axl has gotten himself into.  In fact, I find it all so tragic.  I don't like seeing people make fun of the guy, knowing first-hand how great he used to be.  More than anything, I want this guy to get his shit together and prove to me - and millions of others - that he is still something special.  The last few years, all I've seen is a shell of his former self and it's really disturbing to watch as someone who grew up on the classic GNR, dating back to when "Welcome to the Jungle" set the world afire.  Lately though, I just really don't care about Axl anymore.  He never was my favorite Gunner to begin with, but I never felt the sort of apathy toward him that I do now.  I want him to make me care again, but he doesn't seem to care enough to want to do that.  Otherwise, we would have heard Chinese Democracy years ago.  I'm just stoked to have Slash and Duff back in a setting worthy of their talents and that's my focus now as a GNR fan.

I think Axl probably is watching Velvet Revolver quite closely.  What he intends to do about it is anybody's guess.  It'd be nice if he did SOMETHING, period.

Whats with all this VR Vs Axl and visa versa shit?! D - you dissapoint me i expected more from you than this type of post. Some people here seem to take pleasure in either watching Axl fail and VR suceed or hoping that VR will fail and Axl with sucseed. VR isnt the greatest band - but its a good rock album. And sure Axl can act like a compleltely annoying arsehole past, present and future but im sure CD will be gerat. Why cant people like both, have two good and successful bands/albums?! Even if you dont like both - posts about how one band is gonna fail and another is gonna do better are boring, chilldish and are in the 100's already on this board.

"While I fully admit to being a Slash/Duff loyalist (always have been, always will be), I really take no pleasure at all in the mess Axl has gotten himself into.  In fact, I find it all so tragic.  I don't like seeing people make fun of the guy, knowing first-hand how great he used to be.  More than anything, I want this guy to get his shit together and prove to me - and millions of others - that he is still something special.  The last few years, all I've seen is a shell of his former self and it's really disturbing to watch as someone who grew up on the classic GNR, dating back to when "Welcome to the Jungle" set the world afire.  Lately though, I just really don't care about Axl anymore.  He never was my favorite Gunner to begin with, but I never felt the sort of apathy toward him that I do now.  I want him to make me care again, but he doesn't seem to care enough to want to do that.  Otherwise, we would have heard Chinese Democracy years ago.  I'm just stoked to have Slash and Duff back in a setting worthy of their talents and that's my focus now as a GNR fan."

I hear ya dude...I with ya, very well put ;)

nothing personal lineker im just playing Devils Advocate

no VR disappointed ME

this thread is very valid cause here is the type of poster i am

if someone is being overtly defensive of axl and trashing slash and duff i take up for slash and duff vice versa, if people are championing VR like they are destroying axl just cause they released a CD first, i then defend axl

everyone is talkin how axl is done just cause VR release a pretty good but not great CD

let me ask u a question, to the casual listener what is the most important part of a song? casual listener here only

lyrics,vocals melody, thats the most important part to the average listener if not instrumental music would be the greatest selling music in the world

Scott has a habit of repeating the same ole verse or a variation of the same ole verse and i cant really relate to what scott is singing about, the music is very well done, better than what ive heard from new gnr so far, but if u aint got the lyrics,melodies and vocals, u aint got shit

VR's album is good but does not in anyway get me excited or blow me away, ill buy it only because slash and duff and no other reason, now after i buy it my opinion could change

ive been listening to bootleg maddy's and blues for around 2 and a half years straight and i still listen to them at least once every other day

will i be listening to any VR songs lets say by this time next year? i highly doubt it

so even if the blues and maddy are axls big guns they are still light years ahead of what ive heard from VR

now on the contrary if VR's album blew me away i would be championing how axl is in fuckin trouble and better have his guns blazing

but after hearing contraband an album just above the spaghetti incident will be better than VR in my opinion

I agree.. This is just so fucking stupid people can't be happy for both bands.. People fell in love with GN'R, shit didn't work out, and now some of you feel like you've been fucked, and somebody has to take the blame. I think it's about time you let this go. There should be no war over the matter, and if there is one, it sure as hell isn't yours to fight..

Well the sad thing is that Slash has almost made more records without axl. I think with having another lawsuit filed that probably has gotten Axl upset

Next week we will see how well VR does on the chart. For Slash it has to be  an improved considering his slash snakepit albums.

My only question is how far can Super Groups go?

SInce when dont I like VR? Im sorry I dont think of them on the same level of GNR. But that doesnt make me hate them. I paid 70 fukin bucks to go see them. I must really hate them. Ive listened to the album a handful of times and have been listening to most of the album for a week now.

I think the album is ok. Nothing special. If thats hate then im sorry. IMO the album doesnt do it...FOR ME. Like you dont like maddy I love it. I could care less what you like and dont like. Music is personal taste.

I dont hate vr. I new about Stp long before I new what gnr was. Iv always like weiland. ANd when i got into Gnr I was amazed by Slash. For me its Axl and what he brings. I cant help that...but im sure not the only one who thinks that.

The band is good. Better than whats out there. But for me they dont do anything. In concert they rock but on the album it didnt for the most part....


Please dont put FTP in the same sentence of NV. And Nv had such a video impact FTP wont come close.


Guess what....Songs like Maddy, the Blues and CD are just the fillers...The big guns are still to come....hows that. Why the fuck would Axl lie about the music he is making. Its not like he made a press release on this anyway. It was in a radio interview and the guy asked what new songs they were playing. He said a handful but that they are holding back the Big Guns. Whether you think they have great songs or not thats your opinion.
Ill take my chances that Axl has written some amazing songs. Actually I know he has.

You have every right to doubt gnr in the sense that they wont accomplish anything because of their past. Thats fine. But when its out its going to be a whole different story. So keep talking about the axl is a dickhead and liar stuff. When the cd hits the shelves the music will do all the talking.....

Well most people I have given the song madagascar to have said they think the middle part is cool and really like the song.

I think the quotes part is genius. They are not just tossed in there, they tell a story and make sense if you actualy listen to them.

8  songs off of contraband, did not you just say that its all a  matter of opinion?

How can you even say I will never give VR a chance? Do you just read the negative part of my posts of VR? I have said quite a few times now that I love the songs loving the alien and YGNR?  I guess you just missed that part. I also gave the album 6/10 (3/5) which is what a lot of fans on this board rated the album, maybe even higher than a few othert. So How am i not giving this band a chance?
As for how many times I have listened to the album.
I have heard the album 3 times to get a feel for it.

And the songs I like I kept on  I tunes.

That's if he can be arsed to release the damn album.

Well I"m sorry for presuming things that I maybe shouldn't have in regard to you all's prejudices.  And like I said (and you guys said), its all a matter of opinion.  

I just don't think you can state that Maddy and The Blues are 'not the big guns' as a matter of fact based on what someone said in an interview 3 years ago.  I think it is safe to assume that if Axl had a bunch of songs that were better than Maddy and The Blues, we'd have the album by now.  There would be no need for this delay if he had a catalogue of epic tunes.

-TyRod-

I just don't think you can state that Maddy and The Blues are 'not the big guns' as a matter of fact based on what someone said in an interview 3 years ago.  I think it is safe to assume that if Axl had a bunch of songs that were better than Maddy and The Blues, we'd have the album by now.  There would be no need for this delay if he had a catalogue of epic tunes.


I'm kind of of this mindset as well. As David Lee Roth said in an interview I read, "we all have a vault full of epic songs sitting in the basement we just haven't gotten around to releasing yet." Kind of hinting that it is easy to keep telling everyone you have all this great stuff set away, but as long as you never release it no one will ever know. It was like Brian Wilson's Smile, everyone for years talked about how revolutionary it was, but he never released it, and once he finally did time had passed it by. Axl is in grave danger of suffering a similar fate if he does not act soon.

"If GNr are trying to make the perfect rocrd, they arent too far off"- Brian May

We can also find a slew of quotes from producers and other people who heard/worked with the project that said there were some good ideas and material there, but most of it was a mess without vocals. I am going to guess that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Please show me these quotes. If you are referring to the metal sludge stuff than your an idiot. If you believe anything that comes from those type of sites then your not paying attention. Im not saying you dismiss it because its negative towards gnr but because its not a credible source.

Point me to any credible source thats been involved with the band over the years and say that the vocals were a mess....

I do believe there was a time that Axl didnt finish the vocals. But that doesnt mean it was a mess....

I don't get it! How can someone love the old GNR,and hate Axl or Slash& co. It's just stupid!
 I'm a huge Slash fan,I just love the guy (in a non-gay way,of course) and I really wished that Contraband would be huge and give the world Rock N' Roll back. But,allthough it's not a bad album,it doesn't raise to the expectations,in my opinion because of Scott Weiland.
 People keep saying that VR at least has new material,but I say: So what???!! I'd rather wait 10 more years for a brilliant new-GNR album than getting an OK Chinese Democracy tomorrow.
   And yes,Madagascar,The Blues,CD,Oh my God and even Rhyad are better than VR's songs.They feel more real,they are more original and they have brilliant lirycs,not some aberations written by a fuckin junkie
 

We have had this whole concept of credibility debated 10 million times. We are all guilty, GNR and VR fans, of dismissing things not complementary of the band by writing it off as not credible. I was just pointing out that for every Brian May quote there has been another (regardless of source) that isn't quite as positive. You don't have to believe it and I'm not saying I do either, but something tells me there is always more than meets the eye.

dave, I've thought you were an ass ever since reding your posts for a few years now...but...this is the only post i've ever read of yours that makes sense and i agree with...

cd, blues, and maddy are better than anything on the readio today, and are simular to the average illusion songs....they are not near the better illusion tracks or afd.

anyways..I'm a big slash fan and weiland is just an idiot, he ruined the recoed with alternative crap..oh well..theres always axl's illusion to wait for...

anyways...if you wrote more posts like this one mabey more people might not dispise you, lol

later

Thanx!   :smoking:

well, if actually bothered to release the album (CD) we'd find out!!

but it looks more increasingly that CD will never see the light of day.

At least Slash et al are out there in the studio recording, releasing material, on tour.....

I'll take a rock album that actually exists over an album that doesn't exist.

And when it eventually surfaces?

These threads/posts... There are too many of them, and it's getting frusterating, boring, and fucking sickening.

No one has heard all of CD, and not everyone has heard all of CB - why can't people STOP COMPARING THEM, and ENJOY them!? (Well, the one that is soon to be released, anyway.) I'm sick of hearing "Axl is probably doing this that and the other, just waiting for his next move..." And what if he doesn't? People have been saying Axl is going to "make his move" for years, and he hasn't done shit.

It pisses me off to see some people saying that VR sucks and that Slash is an asshole, and yet they are so blind that see Axl as a perfect person who has to put up with abuse from the mean ol' ex-members, and they think they know for sure that CD will be released and that it will be good. What if it isn't though? What if CD is a major failure? (Well, we know what will happen to DRUNK. ::)) If Contraband is better, I bet most wouldn't even admit it. No matter what, people will always make excuses for him. And what if he never releases it? I bet most people will just sit around waiting forever, until their dying day.

I don't know what to think about Axl anymore, except feel bad for his pathetic ass. It's a shame, but I don't know if we'll ever see Chinese Democracy. I used to think that maybe he would release the album and that it would be fucking great, because I never expected any less from Axl, but right now, I seriously don't care. If it comes out, will I buy it? Yes. But until then, I'm not going to waste my time even caring whether or not it comes out. He obviously doesn't give half a fuck about his fans, and as noonespecial said, he has to care enough to make us care.

to imfuckingcrazy i know what your saying bout the comparisons but is hard to imagine these comparisons not happening when slash himself compared stuff off of contraband to november rain,vr seem to urging this compaison forward and i agree with you no one should be calling slash an ass hole...i agree, but in this case shouldnt you refrain from calling axl  a pathetic ass hehe(just a bit of humour not meant to start a argument)
i feel seeing as we have not heard cd like you its hard to compare but ive seen new gnr twice and what i saw and heard i liked, and more importantly which kinda builds off some of the points mentioned...we dont know whats going on in axls life and although it does seem to be taking ages he told us to live our lives,dont sit and wait,this is his baby and he will work at it till it pleases his high standards...which should be worth it after hearing what vr recorded in a 2week time frame.we dont know what is going on in any of their lives but i do agree with 5star d man that axl must be licking his chops even if he has been doing nothing of late coz he now knows where the bar has been set and vr have set it quite low in my opinion.wish best of luck to both bands  :peace:

You're right, I shouldn't, true as it may be (IMO). But it kind of pisses me off still. He hasn't released anything in almost two thirds of my entire life! I'm 15. Ten years is a long time to me. I'm not pissed off at him because I hate him, I'm pissed off because as a fan, I want to hear this new album! I hope he is "licking his chops" because I do want him to release CD. The point of my last post was what if he DOESN'T release it, or what if Contraband is better? Will people bash Axl the way they do VR? Of course not.

And it's fucking annoying to hear all this shit about "If CD is as bad as Contraband I'll kill myself" and "I bet Axl is licking his chops."  He could be, but I hate it when people have that "you better be good, because Axl's watching you" attitude. It's funny that after all this time of him not releasing that album, they're still saying, "Any time now...." Yet some of these people who make excuses for him are the same people who are quick to bash VR, and call them assholes.


Yeah, you're right, and that's why I'm not going to just sit and wait. That seems to be what a lot of people are doing. I'm not going to care until he gives me a reason to. When/if he does release the album, considering how long it's taking, it should be great. But if he doesn't, I don't want to say what he can do with his album.


Yeah, I know most (most meaning probably almost ALL) people are going to like CD more - but I still think it's stupid to compare them, such as creating threads like "Oh my God is better than anything off Contraband." I hate it when people compare Axl and Scott as well. They're different, and they're in two different bands.

I think if people didn't compare them to the old GNR, the new GNR, Snakepit, to STP, Scott's solo work, and 2004's music, it might be easier to just enjoy it. I can understand GNR fans comparing the music to the old GNR's music, but the new GNR? That has NOTHING to do with ANY of the members in VR. Nothing. And I know this has nothing to do with anyone on here really, but on the STP boards, people compare VR with STP and bitch about how they want STP back. I'm just sick of hearing "VR vs. this that and the other, VR loses (or wins)." That does go to the people who "Something is better than nothing," as well.

I understand that people just don't like Contraband, and that's not what I have a problem with at all. It's just all the comparisons. Compared to one thing, this album might look like complete shit, to another, gold. To judge for myself whether or not I like the album, I have to hear it first. I know a lot of people say that the album sounds rushed, but maybe they'll be smart enough to take more than two weeks on the next album, though hopefully, and most importantly, less than 10 years.  


About Slash's comparisons, of course he is going to compare his past work to what he is just releasing. He's going to be asked to compare, and he's going to do just that. What I was talking about with comparisons, I meant VR and the new GNR. ("No one has heard all of CD, and not everyone has heard all of CB - why can't people STOP COMPARING THEM...") If he wants to compare his music then that's fine with me. I don't think this is the best album he's participated in making (though I haven't heard all of it so I can't say so for sure), but perhaps he just feels good about his latest work. Let him be proud of it. If you don't agree, remember this is the same person who didn't like SCOM. I think he didn't even want it on the album. ::)