Here Today... Gone To Hell!

When have I ever said that? Hmmm
If any of you bashers have ever read my full posts you would see that I like some of their songs.
Its just some of you think because I support Axl that means I hate VR.
I think slash is a liar and an asshole but so what, people on here say axl is an asshole and think he is a liar yet they can still like the new gnr.

So why is it that I cant think slash is a prick and a liar yet not still like some VR songs? Hmmm

Well, you never said  "Fuck VR" or "I hate Vr" so in that point you are right.But yo allways say thay will never get to anything and on every Slash/VR  topics y0ou start to bring them down.
That?s just My Opinion, but well.....



Baby Slash//

is it really necessary to start a thread on a topic like this? it's getting really old.
i think if everyone ignored these types of discussions and let posters here think what they will, we could avoid threads like this in the future.

What the hell!!!!!!????? How the fuck is Slash a liar OR an asshole??? If he is an asshole, then what do you call Axl???? You think that Axl isn't an asshole!!!???? Does Slash go around saying "Axl can suck my dick"? No, and he even defends Axl in interviews! I want to know how you think that Slash is a liar or an asshole. Please excuse him for not being perfect like Axl fucking bitch Rose!!! :rant:

Many people can't take your posts seriously, even your reviews, because your opinions are very biased. Most of what you post on this board is negative. Such as posting threads such as "Boycott Contraband." Posting negative reviews - which is all fine and good, but I bet you wouldn't post a negative review of the new GNR, and I'm sure you've come across one of those as they are not too hard to find. I don't see you posting any positive reviews of VR - only because you want to "prove" your point, as if that will do it. You are also biased because you defend every single little thing that Axl does, not matter what the hell he says, and then you go and call Slash an asshole. Sometimes I truly think that you are in fact Axl Rose. If that's true, it's pretty fucking sad that this is what's stopping you from releasing an album, ranting on a damned message board!

Axl could kill your whole family, and you would still defend him as if he were some god. How do you expect people to take you seriously, if you defend Axl's every word, and then you try and twist whatever Slash says around to make it seem that he was against him. Even when Slash defends Axl, you insist that he must be sarcastic. You're fucking ridiculous, and with your "O mighty Axl, fuck everyone else" attitude, any normal person isn't going to take you seriously. And what's really funny is you say you don't hate VR. I can't tell you how you feel but you're definitely showing hate towards VR in your posts, or maybe it's just me? You bash them at every opportunity, say they'll never make it, and even start shit by saying that you are going to boycott the album, and then you say you don't hate VR. That fucking sounds like hate to me!!!!

Yes this topic is nessacery just look at the post below yours  ::)
This thread is very necessary since it will put an end to all the bullshit in the other threads when I post a review on VR songs or a vid or what ever else.


For the post above this one, lets not turn this topic into how is slash a liar thread.
  I am asking the people who claim I hate VR to point out when I have ever said I dont like them.


Also I have not defended axl on everything.
I did say he was wrong for not showing up to philly, and I have also said that he was part of the reason that Gnr broke up, but I also blame slash and duff also.

I love the whole axl could kill  my whole family thing.
Instead of ranting, tell me when I have said I hate VR.

I have already said I like some of their songs and I am also not the only one who thinks their rocker songs are not that great.

I was also one of the first people to say slash should get Scott to sing for his band way before scott was even in the picture.

And so what if i refuse to buy the album.
Im still gonna burn it from someone else.
I am just not paying money for it because of the stupid law suit.

BTW there are a few people on this board said they are boycotting Cd and just DLing it when it comes out because of the whole philly thing, and I didnt see them get any shit for saying that.

So tell me again why I hate this band?

I have just listened Contraband its great I love 5 stars lol. But I can understand why people do hate VR because who is telling the truth who is the real asshole well I dont know but I really dont care I have a lot of respect of for Axl and the new GN'R and a lot of respect for VR but from Slash and that said there time with GN'R was over Axl wanted to do something different to them so I can understand that because creates tension from where the band is no longer friends etc u get me but personnally I love VR rock on VR and GN'R  : ok:

do any of you seriously think this issue is going to be solved?
Dave, there are already enough people here who don't like you that it really doesn't matter what threads you start and what you say to defend yourself. Let's leave it alone. Let Dave post what he wants, ignore it if it irritates you, and we don't have to continue to have this out.

I am not trying to defend myself at all since I dont have to for my personal tastes fo opinions on music or a band. I am making a point to all the haters out there who say I bash this band at ever turn and hate them. They just need to show it in here instead of bringing it up in every other post.
If you dont like this thread then dont read it, its that simple.

From all the posts i've seen from you, its rather obvious you dislike the Ex-Gunners.

Dave-

Are Slash/DUff still assholes if they win their lawsuit and a court says they were legally entitled to the rights they were seeking? What is your plan of attack then? Wouldn't it actually make Axl the asshole for infringing on their rights and blocking them from making business decisions all these years? Will you stop buying his music as well? Or was it alright because it was Axl cheating them and not Slash and Duff cheating Axl?

Very sad that you're so bitter about a lawsuit you have as much clue about as I do. You know exactly nothing about anything thats going on yet you blindly assume that Axl has to be in the right because their is no way anything Slash/Duff say could possibly be true. If he settles....that will be an admission of guilt. It will be interesting to see.

Its funny that you have the same view on contraband as I do, I guess you hate the ex gunners too right?

I may not like the album as much as i hoped to, but that does not mean i dislike Slash or Duff because of it.

By the way, Slash and Duff were the only shining lights in Contraband.

Thats true you can't like every song a band puts out. But you can find quite a few. There's nothing wrong with not liking all VR. Dave will probalby buy the Album and every fan that does buy it helps out VR. What was the last album anyone listened to and said I LOVE EVERY SONG ON IT.  I'm not a big Fan of Big Machine, and from the posts where people say "They should play more covers." or "They should play more of their ballads like LTA or YGNR" Well if you loved all VR you wouldn't be asking for other songs in concerts

I want them to sue the piss out of Axhole. Then we can get some classic footage on DVD!! Also, I am really excited about what Slash and Duff had mentioned about releasing the raw versions of UYI's the way they were meant to sound. Before someone took the finished product and tweaked it for 2 years.

IF slash and duff win then gnr songs will be all over shitty movies and stupid TV ads.
They claim they lost a million dollars because some of their songs didnt get put on a few bad movies.
That is pocket change to these guys.

I am damn glad Gnr songs were not in death to smoochie or old school.
Those were two of the worst movies ever made.

What is next SCOM being used as a jingle in some car comerical?

If that was the case though, who would Axl have to blame but himself. I know taking personal repsonsibility is not something he does seldom/never, but I still am not seeing why trying to exercise their rights makes Slash/Duff assholes. Wouldn't this whole question be moot had Axl never withdrawn from the partnership if it turns out Slash and Duff's requests are honored by the courts? Are you still going to be angry if that is the case and this whole thing is not a farce?

why are you trying to turn this into the whole partnership thing again?
Its about people claiming i hateVR

You said you hate VR because of the lawsuit. I am just asking what your reaction would be if their claims are true, and if you would then start hating Axl for denying them their rights and stop hating Slash/Duff if the court recognizes their rights. I am led to believe by the lack of response from camp Rose that this is more serious than they would hope because they would have dismissed it right off the bat as frivilous if that were the case. I would think that is very relavent given your obsession with assessing who is lying and who are assholes and whatnot. Would that make Axl an asshole for screwing them of their GNR rights all these years, and if he does lose the case who is to blame? As you are always very interested in placing blame I am interested to know.

Like I said  before in the other thread, Its not axl place to go and ask slash and duff if a gnr song should be in a movie its the movie peoples job to ask all three.

If axl told the movie people that he alone has the final say then he was wrong in doing that and should get sued and owe slash and duff money.

But slash and duff are claiming axl quit gnr because of that letter of intent, but Like I said before,  a letter of intent is not a contract nor is it binded by law.

Once axl had a say in other songs for soundtracks with slash and duff, and also help slash pick songs for live era, that right there shows he was still in the partnership.

And you base this on...

Thats right, nothing?

Theyrer going to put them in "bad" movies you say?  I guess you must love Real Cancun since Axl agreed to license "Paradise City" for it.  Cant Hardly Wait?  


As opposed to the classic Real Cancun, right?  I suppose your furious at Axl for allowing a GNR song in that movie?


Give one valid reason to believe Slash and Duff intend on licensing GNR songs for commercials.  Anything about bad movies doesnt count since...theyre movies.

Booker the point is Axl does not whore out gnr songs left and right to every movie that wants a 15 year old gnr song.

So now booker, tell me why you think I hate VR?

Noooo, of course not. Axl, an asshole? No way, Axl is perfect. How dare that "lying asshole" Slash fight for his rights to his own music! ::)


I don't think this is a necessary topic. I think this is a load of shit. In fact, I hope that Jarmo will delete this thread because it's stupid and pointless.


If you think that this thread will solve anything, you're insane. All this is doing is starting more crap on these boards. And I wouldn't take your reviews seriously for shit.


You're the one who said it, so don't say it's not part of the topic. You started it yourself. I want to know how he is a liar or an asshole. Enlighten me. You obviously can't come up with reasons how he is either of those. You're just pulling shit out of your ass and posting it on these boards. Slash isn't an asshole or a liar, and that sounds pretty damned strange coming from an Axl fan.


I'm not going to sit here all day pointing out the times you have made negative comments against the ex members. And perhaps you have never said "I hate VR" or "I hate so and so" but in your posts you do nothing but bash them. Look at the person who created the thread "Post your reviews here." That person obiviously did not like Contraband, but did anyone say "Oh, then you must be an Axl fan then"? No. People know not to take you seriously.

The only reason you think its stupid and pointless is because none of you can give me one good reason why you think I hate VR.

And yes I have made negative comments about slashs post gnr work, and what is your point? People make negative comments about Axl all the time yet they still call themselves fans, yet if i make a negative comment about slash or one of the VR fans it means I cant be a fan.

Nice logic there  : ok:

As for the poster who gave a negative review on contaband and him not getting bashed just proves my point even more.
Since everyone knows I am a huge axl fan i get bashed for making the same comments that poster did.

You are making my points for me, thanks.

I think it's stupid and pointless because all it does is start shit. I also think it's stupid and pointless because you accuse Slash of being an asshole and liar, yet you can't even give a single reason for it. Is it because he's not Axl Rose? Is it because he's fighting for his rights to his own fucking music?

And, AS I SAID, people say that you hate VR maybe because you give them a reason to think so? Such as bashing them at every oppotunity. Ever thought of that, looking at the things you have said about them?

Haha...dodged every question.  You want to try this again?

You brought up licensing songs to bad movies...what do you think about Axl allowing music in Real Cancun, Cant Hardly Wait, the Jim Rome compilation, Grosse Point Blank, etc..

As for whoring out, dont know what youre definition is, but heres a list of items GNRs music featured on...

Jim Rome  Welcome to the Jungle (1998) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Lean on Me (1989) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Days of Thunder (1991) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Interview with the Vampire (1995) Producer, Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Grosse Pointe Blank (1997) Producer, Performer  
Original Soundtrack  Can't Hardly Wait (1998) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  End of Days (1999) Performer  
Original Soundtrack  End of Days [Clean] (1999) Performer  
Various Artists  Nobody's Child: Romanian Angel... (1990) Performer  
Various Artists  Vid Grid (1994) Performer  
Various Artists  Rocks Off (1995) Performer  
Various Artists  Kuschelrock, Vol. 9 (1995) Performer  
Various Artists  Soft Rock: 36 Classic Rock Ballads (1996) Performer  
Various Artists  Best Rock Anthems In The World..... (1996) Performer  
Various Artists  Rocktober (1998) Performer  
Various Artists  Kuschelrock, Vol. 8 (1999) Performer  
Various Artists  Decline of Western Civilization,...    

Not to mention The Program, Real Cancun and Terminator 2 (for which the "YCBM" video functioned as an advertisement).

So Duff and Slash name 3 or 4 other movies, one of which Axl would have agreed to if he could have re-recorded a classic song, and all of a sudden its whoring-out?

Second, give one valid reason to believe Slash and Duff intend on licensing GNR songs for commercials.  Anything about bad movies doesnt count since...theyre movies.

I hope you dont cop-out again...Just answer the questions.  : ok:

But isn't that just like Dave? In just about every post he dodges people's questions.

Dave, I really don't know what makes you think that Slash and Duff want to "whore out" their music for shitty commercials, and where they said this?????? I would like to know that too.

Booker how did I dodge any question? You really need to learn to read.
Like I said Axl does not whore himself to every movie that wants a 15 year old song on their movie.
How is that not answering your question?
Learn how to read and maybe you will understand my posts.

Btw most of the movies you mentioned all the band members agreed on so again you have no point.
Since Axl has started the new gnr he does not want old songs being on albums since those members are no longer in the band.
What cant you understand about that? Its not that hard.

I love how you cant tell me why I hate VR and keep bring up this song thing.

Then why do you and certain others feel the need to bash me and always bring it up when I post something about VR?

If you dont give a fuck then dont bring it up when I say I dont like a certain song or something like that.

Well I don't like all VRs songs either Dave and I agree with you. They have some great songs and there are a few I just dont get into. I am sure most posters here will find a song or two they dont like on Contraband after they listen to it a few times.

Its one thing to come here and just Bash VR. Its another to give an honest opinion, you don't like all the sounds and its ok.

My fav album is AFD and there is still two songs I really dont care for. Does this mean I dont like GnR? No.

As long as everyone agrees Limp Bizkit killed Behind Blue Eyes we can all get along and find some of VR to like. To each there own.

I think you hate VR because you started Boycott Contraband threads on at least 2 GNR sites.

Down deep you know you will be buying Contraband.  If not, you are only screwing yourself out of hard rock.

Why do people get so uptight when an artist decides to license their songs to commercials and/or movies? I'm not just referring to anyone from here  because I noticed fans of various bands get all uptight over their favorite band doing it. Why does it bother people so much? Does it make them less credible or what?

For me it's probably because occasionally I hear a song on the radio and then I wonder what commercial the song was in.... People start thinking of the product as soon as they hear the song. Even after the commercial itself isn't on tv anymore.


/jarmo

Who cares?  You're still annoying.  :-\

Do you think less of an artist if they do it? I understand what you mean because I tend to think of the Cadillac commercials when I hear Led Zep's "Rock and Roll" but it doesn't bother me that Led Zep decided to license their song to Cadillac.

Many people seem to to think less of an artist and I don't really understand it. For example, The Who had licensed a few of their songs to commercials here and three of their songs currently serve as the opening theme of all 3 CSI shows. I know a lot of Who fans who get all bent out of shape over it, but I don't really understand it.

I personally can't begrudge an artist for trying to make money from their product in the manner that they see fit. There is a lot of money to be made in licensing but how would they make any money if they just waited for blockbusters? Besides, I think it's an easy way to make money and introduce your music to new generations of fans.

PS. I hope you don't think I am rambling at you. I'm just rambling in general.  :)

No, I don't start hating or disliking the artist because of it.

It's just kinda sad that occasionally people think of a car commercial when they hear a great track like Rock And Roll.



/jarmo