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I am curious, do  you think Axl will keep Bucketheads part on CD?
I really hope so, since BH is an amazing player.
I know Axl will have to pay  him royalies but I know he was still under contract when he left.
Maybe Axl would let BH out of his contract if BH agreed to not get royalies for the album.
I m dying to hear Bhs playing on this album, I hope its not taken out.

I'd say yes... or no.

Will BHs parts say on chinese democracy or Will BHs parts STAY on chinese democracy?
Anyways, I can't see BH agreeding to not get royalities.  :no:
But I'd love to listen to him on the album. Actually, I'd love to listen to the album.  :crying:

He might have to if he wants to be let out of his contract.
Axl could sue him for breaking it.

History tells us Axl will have the parts re-done.

Very unfortunate to say the least.

For some odd reason, I think Bucket may yet end back up in GNR Land before it's all said and done...

Yea, if he was ever out for sure anyway.

I'm saying yes his parts will stay in.

I've got the same feeling, purely speculating of course, but I don't think we've seen the last of BH with GNR..

Stranger shit has happened...

I have the same feelings too...ill even go a step further and say that that whol epress release might have been a lil tool the band used to delay one last time...i know it doesnt make sense but they used buckethead once before for not doing a tour they would use him or any1 else agian maybe to extend deadlines or soemthing else we dont know about...either way I think Axl will keep bheads parts becaus eof what he brought to the table.

Regardless of the shit that went down between Buckethead & Axl, I think his parts should stay in. For one, BH has a unique sound no ther guitarist can replicate , big deal if someone has to improvise them when they play live. And who knows? Maybe they`lll patch things up.

I'm with Falcon...my theory is that Axl was negotiating to get BH back in the band or at least to get his parts on the album up until Rio, but BH said no, and that the 'new' delays are because Axl is re-recording BH's parts  :no:

No more conspiracy theories YG, leave those to Oliver Stone.


There's no evidence this would be even an option, everybody else who has come and gone over the years has been literally erased from the sessions, no reason to think BH's fate wouldn't be the same.  

BH is a talented guy, but hardly irreplaceable.  We don't even know if he brought anything creatively to GNR in the first place. Even if he did, I'm sure there's more than a few who could copy his parts.

 

There's no way in hell they're going to re-do any parts.  When the fuck is that album going to come out?  2011?  Yeah right.  This bullshit is going to end soon.  No way will Bucket's parts be re recorded.  I guarantee Buckethead will be back in the band anyway.

It's easy to say that b'head parts are hardly be on the album. And I really don't care if he is, He is an amazing player without a doubt but many people considered him like the salvation of the new GNR, but there were two main parts that didn't go well with GNR.
1. Giving gifts away(supposed to be a rock band)
2. Ultra fast tapping in songs that didn't have that feel(Rocket queen, It's so easy)

me too.. but if he doesnt come back i dont want his parts on the album. I dont want to hear an album full of songs i cant hear replicated live..

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


No, no chance ... you might as well expect to hear Slash if you expect to hear Buckethead on CD ... if you hear it at all that is ...

I think GnR (as much as I love em) is getting into the whole F.U.B.A.R realm. You can't wait 10 years to make a CD and then dump your guitarist and then expect to re-record. They did an ok time with delaying our wait with Live era and GH but theres only so much patients. I think after a while the Exec's are just gonna say "F*ck it" and drop em. But of course someone please prove me wrong.

Buckethead's parts will prob be re-done but who can play like Buckethead :confused: I hope this mess is sorted out soon not a day goes by when I dont think about this album.

Whatever is the most irrational thing to do, Axl will do it. So, there is my opinion. Which means, I have no idea what the fuck that crazy son of a bitch will do at this point. :peace:

Well, I look back at Robin Finck's involvement as a point of reference.  When he left, he said in interviews while on tour with NIN that he just got frustrated that things were never going anywhere with GN'R.  Allegedly, that is the same reason why Buckethead left.  

Brian May was brought in, by his own account, to re-do some of Robin's parts.  So, I think it's definitely possible that some of Buckethead's parts will be re-done.

However, I also agree with the notion that it's not out of the realm of possibility that Buckethead will return at some point.  Robin's departure seemed to me to be acrimonious at the time, but he came back and seems to be committed to the band.

Ali

Yes, I understand the hisory of hwat has happened when this situation comes up. But the only thing i would say about that is that it was still early in the project when he did those re-records. He was still in the process of finding a definitive direction/album and band. We are now in 2003/2004. Bucket was a pivotal member of this band. He had the image and def. had the talent. When people talkd about new gnr buckethead was always mentioned. If it was richard fortus I would def. think his part would be re-recorded. But with bucket, I really thik this time Axl is going to keep them. If bucket is in fact out of the picture i think he is just looking for a replacement right now. Someone who can add to future gnr work and some1 who can simply just play buckets stuff in the meantime.

It would make sense to leave the parts on the album - which obviously means Axl will replace them entirely

Good ole Axl - he takes a relatively straightforward thing and does the total opposite every time.....

In my world of self-delusion
I subscribe to the illusion
That Bucket's part's will still be used.
Lest you think that I'm confused,
Remember Uncle Axl said
That, though the Lisbon gig be dead,
He hoped to announce the big date
Sometime soon, not sometime late
And then he THANKED ol' Buckethead!
Appreciated contributions, Axl said...
And so I think he'll use the work.
Otherwise, he's just a jerk.
Have faith in Axl, chicks and guys,
We'll see CD before he dies.

Yeah, I'm bored and I think Bucket's parts will stay and I wasn't in the mood to write something normal.

/Mike

I don't know

Mysteron, do you know anything/are you able to get any information about the whole guitarist issue. I feel that this is the most important issue at the moment.

 Is Bucket gone for sure?
 Are they looking for a replacement?
 If they are looking for a replacement, how are they doing?
 Did they already find a replacement? [surprisingly (without giving away any details- this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further]

Commen sence tells me an announcement about this matter can be expected sooner than the announcement of the release date.

Why do they have to be so quiet about all this. How delicate can things be? Why can't they (mngt/gnr) say things like:

- We are still in talks with Bucket.
- We are still looking for a replacement.
- We are very close in solving the guitarist issue.
- Look forward to an announcement within two weeks.

Very easy, not delicate at all and very good for all the loving and hoping fans.

We deserve a little more and I keep wondering why we don't get it. If there's a reason, then that reason is what they can let us know. Correct?

N ! 3 |(

Mysteron I am sure you can't but doyou think your source would know.

As for my opinion.
I think if Axl really is moving foward and will have a release date for us in a few months, I dont think he will have time to re do BHs parts.
I think he will just leave them and let the new guy redo the follow up albums.

I f he's gone, i think SOME of Buckets parts will stay, who ever the new guy is, he's gonna have some parts to do : ok:

who know...

I'm not sure if management know or not, but they wouldn't answer this question anyway (at the moment)

Of course they won't. There is no reason for doing it on nothing illegal with keeping it. It will stay on for sure, don't you think too?

Who Knows? If he's thinking with his head and not his dick he'll leave them in, cause BH fans will buy the album for the BH parts...otherwise....he'll lose some "cross over" sales of the album
...you never can tell with that guy though...

Illegal? Hardly. Bucket was on contract, which to my mind reads as Axl / GNR being sole propietor(s) to all the material he contributed to CD. Should Axl use his guitar parts, there would be a credit where credit is due, sure, but I doubt BH would've had much control over the material even if he would've stayed in the band. I think it comes down to Axl and his possible sour grapes with Bucket (as he could oust him just for spite) and more importantly, how well could a replacement handle BH's recorded parts.

Exactly. The foundation (rythm guitars by huge) was already done when fortus joined them. The loved his bantubi and maybe he contributed to the foundation, so this parts is usually slick to redo. When it comes to lad breaks, solo's ot vocals it's another story. It can't easily be replaced. It possiblu also an importmant element to the personality of the song. (like nothing else matters intro)
So i really doubt any replacing of his parts on CD is concidered

I thought that was fuckin brilliant  :rofl:

I strongly feel it would be a good idea for us fans to let Bucket know, via his admin at bucketheadland or/and his manager on bucketheadland.com (maybe even via GN'R's mngt!), that we would very much like him (back) in the band.

Of course, if he wants to be in GN'R and promises to be a reliable person in future.
The RIR-L situation was a very bad one and the ones responsible should feel responsible and do something to make up for it. It is fair to do so.

We could only win on this, especially when Bucket reads it. What ever his descision will be, he will know we 2 appriciate all his efforts made so far.

Mysteron, everybody, what do you think?

Best regards,

N ! 3 |(

If Buckethead is truly happier (and who wouldn't be, having drama cut out of your life) without GNR than more power to him.
Axl is a grown man, who needs to take responsibility and accountability for this band he leads called Guns and Roses..he had a pivotal (pivotal enough to make him cancel a show 3 months in advance) player who was wavering with regard to his membership to this band for a freaking year! It's not like Buckethead woke up one day and sent Axl a fax saying, I'm flying the coop!  :hihi:
As far as that reliable line, that could work both ways, and you know "braids" would never agree to that because that would mean that he also would have to be accountable for his own fuck ups....sad but true....

If managmnet isn't answering then, I'd infer that they ARE still looking for a replacement OR are redoing BH's parts....not good for a release this year, especially not good if managment KNOWS NOTHING about what is going on, but I wouldn't think that would be the case, but with Axl it could be. :(

Lets hope so, otherwise we're gonna wait longer for the new album.  BH played great and was a fantastic replacement for Slash.  His parts MUST be kept.

yeah, John. Like you spared no expense at the Park yet hired a hacker to organize your mainframe. Word to the wize, don't schedule a risk accessment the same weekend as a tropical storm.

Buckethead went n' fed the chooks
Axl said no way, ya signatures in my books,
Im keepin' ya parts n' that is that
Im replacing your arse, i know you'll be back
Time went by n' no word just yet
I'd better release CD, im in fuckin' debt
We need a guitarist to play on the road
Buckets parts didnt stay what a load...
















of shit :hihi:              i was bored too, you started it :hihi: