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SLASH Defuses 'Fuck AXL ROSE!' Chant VELVET REVOLVER's Chicago Gig - May 21, 2004  

Jeff Vrabel of the Chicago Sun-Times reviewed VELVET REVOLVER's sold-out concert at The Riviera in Chicago, Illinois Wednesday night (May 19).

"Not surprisingly, VELVET REVOLVER sounds exactly like what would happen if one melded parts of GUNS [N' ROSES] with parts of STONE TEMPLE PILOTS," he wrote. "Liberated from [Axl] Rose's penchant for bombastic excess, VELVET REVOLVER has a sound that's still grounded in Slash's trademark riffs, but grittier and more efficient.

"Smartly, and since their debut 'Contraband' isn't set to drop until June 8, VELVET REVOLVER loaded its set with crowd-igniting nuggets from its respective pasts. Weiland aired out 'Sex Type Thing' and 'Crackerman' from STP's grunge incarnation, and from the GUNS catalog, there was a ravaging 'It's So Easy', a choogling 'Mr. Brownstone' (a winking self-referential choice for Weiland) and a bounding reading of 'Used to Love Her', the acoustic, murder-themed ditty that probably sounded more controversial in 1988. (The song led into a chant of 'F--- Axl Rose!' from the pit, which Slash defused with more than just a little patience: 'Was that entirely necessary?' " Read the rest of the review here:  http://www.suntimes.com/output/rock/cst-ftr-velvet21.html
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
www.suntimes.com

Velvet Revolver shows true GNR grit
May 21, 2004
BY JEFF VRABEL Staff Reporter

It's been a long, cold decade for Guns N' Roses fans. Maybe because the GNR train wrecked so dismally, demand for some form -- any form -- of Guns-related material remains huge. Heck, Axl Rose packed the Allstate Arena in 2002 for a disastrous "comeback" tour with a no-name cast of jokers that could barely stay on the same beat for two hours.

Rose still owns the band's name, but his long-rumored "Chinese Democracy" record has become generally accepted as fiction, and though the remaining ex-members have materialized occasionally, none has managed to stick for more than a few albums (with all due respect to Slash's Snakepit and Izzy Stradlin and the Ju Ju Hounds).

All of which is why voracious fans gobbled up tickets for this sold-out Chicago debut by Velvet Revolver. The original GNR's corpse remains Ted Williams-cold (though its recently released "Greatest Hits" remains in the Billboard Top 20), but this hard-rock supergroup is the most promising Guns offshoot to come down the boulevard since Rose canned everybody. A full three-fifths of Velvet Revolver is composed of GNR outcasts: guitarist Slash, bassist Duff McKagan and drummer Matt Sorum. The remaining members are guitarist Dave Kushner and ex-Stone Temple Pilots singer Scott Weiland, possibly the only man on the planet with a less reliable datebook than Axl's.

That's a lot of old-school rock energy and a whole lot of old-school rock baggage. But in the fourth show on their coming-out tour, the members of Velvet Revolver showed, over 90 sweaty minutes, that while they didn't necessarily bring much new to the table, they certainly remembered what made them a huge attraction in the first place. What the group lacked in subtlety and innovation, it made up for -- loudly -- with incendiary guitars and locomotive grooves, all of which added up to a sweltering performance successfully designed to be a welcome throwback to the days before rock 'n' roll was invaded by clowns like Nickelback.

Not surprisingly, Velvet Revolver sounds exactly like what would happen if one melded parts of Guns with parts of Stone Temple Pilots. Liberated from Rose's penchant for bombastic excess, Velvet Revolver has a sound that's still grounded in Slash's trademark riffs, but grittier and more efficient. Tracks like "Set Me Free" and "Slither" were meaty rockers almost nostalgically simple in their compositions, but also Slash-powered dirty bombs that splashed into the crowd with full force. Behind the guitarist, McKagan and Sorum retain an automatic chemistry, and held down songs like the roaring "Do It for the Kids" and "Headspace." New single "Fall to Pieces" has a descending riff straight out of "Sweet Child o' Mine," but had enough of a groove to avoid sheer power balladry.

For his part, and despite his well-documented drug troubles, the fit-looking Weiland pushed his Bowie/Iggy Pop frontman drive to its breaking point, writhing and wriggling like a man born without bones and even indulging himself in a theatrical, golden-god leap from one of the Riv's balconies during a roaring take on STP's "Sex Type Thing."

Smartly, and since their debut "Contraband" isn't set to drop until June 8, Velvet Revolver loaded its set with crowd-igniting nuggets from its respective pasts. Weiland aired out "Sex Type Thing" and "Crackerman" from STP's grunge incarnation, and from the Guns catalog, there was a ravaging "It's So Easy," a choogling "Mr. Brownstone" (a winking self-referential choice for Weiland) and a bounding reading of "Used to Love Her," the acoustic, murder-themed ditty that probably sounded more controversial in 1988. (The song led into a chant of "F--- Axl Rose!" from the pit, which Slash defused with more than just a little patience: "Was that entirely necessary?" On a scale of things you're likely to see in Chicago this year, Slash serving as the calm voice of reason ranks with Sammy Sosa sneezing his back out).

Weiland and band closed the show with a cover of Nirvana's "Negative Creep," an appropriately jagged selection that ended up being mostly a mess. But more than end the show, it made a great closing argument: These guys know messes, they're familiar with messes, and they clearly remain skilled at turning messes into searing rock.

Shows a bit more class and composure than that guy who said "those guys can suck my dick".

I cannot believe they aren't playing Atlanta. It does sound tantalizing, to say the least. :(

I know, they're not coming to Ohio or western PA where I can go see them.....not quite sure who's resonsible for this tour schedule but it needs to get here fast. I'm tired of reading about how great they are live without being able to see them. :crying:

Yeah they avoided the south (except Texas)...that sucks... :(

AAAhhhhhh  - proof again of Slash's class... 8)


They aren't coming near me either, but I'm driving to Boston to see them.  ;D

Hmmm...Buckethead and Stinson aren't no-names.  I always wonder if these critics really know what they are talking about or if they are going on hearsay.

sure its straight out of scom..give me a fukin break....

How do you know how slash said it....maybe he was being arcastic and said it in a tounge and cheek way. You have no clue if he said it like he meant it or was just joking around.

younger gunner do u always look for bad in ppl or somthing  : ok:

Even if it was tongue in cheek, it was still a good way to calmly handle the situation. can't fault the guy if he doesnt like axl, im sure he has reason for it, but at least he doesnt start shit left and right.

Me either. But I hope they will have a second leg American tour and hit the Southeast.

btw: I think what Slash did was pretty cool of him. :yes: : ok:

:rofl:
if axl said somehting liek that in atongue and cheel way we would have a  10 pg thread on how he didnt mean it because he said it tongue and cheek and he would be deemed an asshole in the meanitme. Plus the who "it was a good way to deal with it anyways" would never come up....

He has every right to say whatver he wants. He hasnt held back over the years. hes always talking about the situation...dont make it seem like slash is this repressed guy who hasnt said anything on the situation...

oh really....axl starts shit? because he says slash didnt want to do slower songs is starting hsit? because he said slash is no longer his friend etc is starting hsit? because axl said suck my dick?

how come its ok though for matt to say shit about axl every second but no1 says anything. If slash was such a class act he would pull matt over to the side 1 day and say stop saying shit about axl. But they dont because they dont care if he bashes axl. maybe slash has the same feelings as matt. and its cool but slash hides. i liek how everything is always on axl...

example being??????????????????

"No-name cast of jokers"? Dave Kushner isn't exactly wellknown either. Does that qualify as poor journalism?

How about the thing about how you don't have to write negative things about GN'R in order to make VR look good?

No VR fans object to the article?  :P

The fans chanting "Fuck Axl", are those the objective VR fans? :hihi:


I need coffee....  :drool:



/jarmo

jarmo arent you used to axl and his freaks being in every vr article yet?

You have to show both sides to have a fair assessment therefore its objective jounralism...get with the program buddy

My buddy and I were at the infamous "suck my dick" concert. When he was ranting about them I was applauding and cheering and going hell yea axl, they can suck my dick too.

I'm sure if I go to a VR concert I'll chant Fuck Axl if the crowd starts yelling it.
I like all members of GNR, so I'll support all of them.

And yes, that article was unneccessarily bashing axl alot, but they also unneccessarily bashed scott also. the writer was a bit of a douche. How many times did he refer to people as "clowns"? What a tool...

probably?  probably?!

That's why I was shocked when they sang it at the KROQ acoustic set - I thought it was bold... silly me - I'm stuck in 1988  ::)   :hihi:

It seems it is now a staple of their setlist - I wish they'd exchange it with You Got No Right.

Once, it was a shocking song when it came out and it represented the fuck you spirit of the original GNR.  I dont want it being seen as a random novelty song with no meaning or purpose.  That bothers me.   >:(

Nevermind the "no-name" cast of actual, reasonably well known names.  I have that Chicago show on DVD and while no one will claim it's the same type of band that the original Guns was, they were really good, and kicked a fair amount of ass, and most certainly stayed on the fucking beat for the whole show.  It's cool to trash the new Gn'R, and there are some less than postitive things I could say about them (they're just a little too "perfect," ya know?), but criticizing the musicianship of those guys is fucking weak.  Anyways...



Oddly enough, I made virtually the same comment on the way out of the Detroit show last night.  I was like "these guys may singlehandedly be able to ressurect what Nickelback has killed."   :hihi:


In musicians terms, this means that FTP has the same chord progression as "Sweet Child."  It's the same D, C, G progression, and while a slower tempo, Slash's clean rhythm guitar part is a bit similar to what Slash/Izzy play on the verses of Sweet Child.  Vocally the songs are worlds apart, but I can see the comparison being made just because they do have some things in common instrumentally.  FTP is a fucking beautiful song though, and I hope it ends up being judged on it's own terms.  I told Matt that after the show, basically saying that the heavier songs were the kind of rock i'd been waiting to hear for years, and that Falling To Pieces was the kind of song that could rip your heart out after you'd had your ass kicked by "Illegal I" and all that.  He seemed to appreciate it...and he gave me a signed drumstick before he went back in the bus.  : ok:

Slash defuses 'fuck Axl' chant

-Related extract from a March Interview:
Slash said he hated people bash Axl cause he was one of the best he?d ever worked with.
And that He hoped Axl would release his new album, which by all means he wanted to listen to.
And that when Axl said he was touring, Slash really hoped it realize and then Axl called it off and he was like "uh-oh no, come on!". - BURRN! June issue

Weird? How do you(some of you) think? ::)

Well I for one would have been pissed to be in that crowd if they started with their "Fuck axl" shit. But anyways..

Jarmo: Can you please stop with this whole VR thing with their fans not being "objective"?

I realize that english may not be your first language, so you don't exactly understand the full meaning of the word. If there is one area of human existence where it's nearly impossible to be objective, it's music. Music is based entirely on the influence of people's emotions, and strong reactions are therefor in inherent in discussion concerning music.

You can't ask people to be objective when the topic is music. One can be objective about science, or some other arts, but when it comes to music, which is entirely dependant of how it influences people as individuals, you cannot expect objectivity.

I also see you consistently saying that Velvet Revolver fans are unobjective. Why don't you also acknowledge the same problem with GNR fans?

Thanks for pointing that out.  ::)





It's a joke ok?

There's people on this board whining about how Dave (an Axl fan) isn't objective regarding VR. Well, I have some bad news for those people, some VR fans aren't objective either.  :P



/jarmo

Slash has class - if he was saying it sarcasticly to get at Axl im sure the report would have stated it. Slash doesnt need to go tell certain members of Gn'R to suck his dick or that their up his ass.

I know because that report was so professional and insightful.

Im not sayign slash is a scumbag. All im saying is you people make him out to be some saint. You have no idea how he said what he said. He could have been serious or he could have said it sarcastically.

Ok now I see.

Yeah I think that we should stop bashing each other's music. When I fought with Dave it was because I thought he was an idiot, not because I hate Axl... if I could choose between CD and VR's Contraband... I'd take CD....

Which report?

Ain?t it fun when your earnest post just gets skipped over....

the article in this thread

I have often wondered who VR's fan base is - having not even released an album they seem surprisingly popular...

But now i have my answer there all STP fans and bitter GNR fans - ''Axl hasn't released an album :crying:''

Axl gave us the best albums ever made - he could go go on a killing spree before i would even entertain 'fuck axl chants'

Its a little sad really....

Uh, maybe not, but they don't act like 10 year old spoiled babies when their idol is insulted.  Unlike Dave.

hey jarmo i object...

every fucking critic needs to slam axl to make the other guys look good....these guys hate way too much

vr is the best badn in the last 6-7 yrs.... they dont need to slam axl to smake people think that

Oh so you become a great and relevant band by just showing up nowadays? I always thought you had to release an album or 2 first. Then if those album/s contain great material you then become a great band....but i never new you are a great band by just showing up...must have been away for awhile silly me.....

It's like I said to Dave yesterday, just because one side is doing it doesn't mean it's right for anyone on either side to do it. It's just getting silly now. What is this some little pissing match to see who is more objective or who are the better fans? Come on Jarmo, I respect you a lot but  I noticed lately you seem to enjoy taking little potshots at VR and their fans.

I don't understand how 'former' GN'R fans can hate Axl and chant Fuck Axl - neither the other side, when they call Axl a God, and Slash & Co liars, cheaters, who has nothing better to do than interfering Axl releasing CD.
But on the other hand, I don't remember if Slash has ever said that Axl is an asshole, he can suck some dick or 'he's up in my ass'. If someone says things like these about his former bandmate(s), the guy only proves that he's an agressive, unintelligent, egoistic, troubled person.  >:(

No, it's an observation about how some people think they're better than everybody else and are quick to point their fingers at others. When in fact everybody's the same.

For example, when somebody says "The Blues" is the best song ever, he/she will get attacked by certain people. When somebody says "Slither" is the best song ever, those people will stay quiet.... Just because those people like VR better than Axl. Same thing goes for Axl fans etc...

You seem to take these things personally....



/jarmo

I don't remember anyone posting that Slither or Fall to pieces or other VR song is the best song ever. We haven't heard the album, and the bootlegs haven't proved me that. But there are Axl-fans who post why Madagascar or The Blues is the best song ever. I disagree, but it can be the best song ever for them.

The new theme of the forum is 'objective'. Well, nobody's objective, because we all have our point of view, our likes and dislikes, affiliations, culture, etc.. Only God is objective. 'Objective' rather means that you don't have a prejudice, you listen open-minded and 'open-eared' the new songs, and you don't have your opinion about the Nu-GN'R or VR, before you have heard their music, and at least you give them the chance. Many Axl-lovers posted that they didn't like the new songs for the first 3, or 5, or 10, or 50 listens, but they kept listening it over and over again, and now they are totally into the songs - but after they have listened a low-mediocre recorded VR bootleg, they post that VR is shit.  :peace:

Well, everyone is going to have their first impressions.  Obviously, yeah, some people want VR to suck for their own personal reasons.  Myself?  I'll use this analogy.  GnR fans have been starving for a long time, and we just got thrown a cracker.  Well, I may like the cracker and appreciate the cracker, but I'm not going to say it's the best cracker I ever ate just because I'm starving.  

But everyone that does love it, that's cool too.

How dare someone say Slash doesn't have class.

Axl is the one who ripped on Addler for his coke problem.

Axl ripped on how Izzy had a drinking problem and couldnt play.

Axl has countlessly ripped on Slash because slash didnt follow his every wish.

I love Axl Rose. I love his music. I love the fact he is an asshole.  No one can sit here and say Axl isnt an Asshole. How many fans has he cancelled shows and tours on? How many times did he arrive late. How many years has he held back his cd.  And I'm sure Buckethead really screwed him like Axl said. In Axl's world everyone has screwed him. Axl has mental demons he has to beat and realise everything isnt someone else's fault.

Now for someone to say something like Slash isnt a class act? Well that is crazy. Slash never starts saying things about Axl.

Slash wanted to support the new GnR. Remember Las Vegas? Where AXL wouldn't left Slash into the Hard Rock to see new GnR. Slash wants to see the new GnR album. He still has respect for Axl as a musician. I love Axl, but dont try and say he is a classact.

Slash is the Classact.

Dare he who says bad on thy god
NO1 is making those claims ?????????

Didnt stop gnr from being the biggest band in the world now did it?

Oh so now your an asshole for not releasing a cd? Now i get it...
if we go by that slash has been an asshole until he releases contraband.
Oh i forgot godforbid we say anhting about slash. my bad

He always talking baout axl. Tell him to get off axls jock. What exactely has Axl started that got slash all pissed off at him. I love how both axl and slash fans make things up about both sides.its comical.

lol. I know slash went to that show because he loves the new band and was dieing to see them. Im not gonna claim I know what slash's intentions were in going to that show but either way he comes out looking good. So why not go and collect more of those brownie points.

Slash wants to see the new gnr album not because he loves the new band but because he wants to see why gnr broke up. He wants to see what "axls fuss" was all about. Please stop trying to paint a nice picture.

And axl has all the respect for slash as a guitarist. Please show me a quote that comes from axl that bashes slashs talents.....keep looking....

I like slash but please dont try and say hes a classact.

Axl did arrive late at old shows, but no tour was ever cancelled during the original lineup's heyday.



He's a class act, because firstly, he only talks about Axl when he's ASKED, which is often and natural, since Guns N Roses was and is Slash's mark on music history, and people are going to ask him about it.  Secondly, Slash doesn't make it a point to trash Axl at every turn like Axl does to him.

Yeah yeah yeah, Axl said Slash is a great guitarist.  I realize that.  Axl also said this.....  The guy [Slash] is a fucking dick.....they're the bad cops and I'm Serpico and they can suck my dick!

I guarantee you will never hear Slash making those sort of comments towards Axl.

Why?

Because Slash is a class act, that's why.

I thought you backed out of this ridiculous viewpoint after I made it clear to you that the new GNR is in the same exact position...Well, was.  VR now actually has an album.


Oh, I forgot that those GNR albums were Axl solos...Wait, theyre not?  Then why would Axl get sole credit?   :confused:



 : ok:

Ok fair enough if you think everyone is the same, but why do you constantly point these sort of things out to one side and not the other? It seems petty.

I don't take it personally, I'm just honestly tired of the divide between both sides. That's the main reason I rarely pay attention to the main board anymore. I'm tired of the same arguments regardless which "side" is starting them. I was hoping they'd cease over here but people have to come over and keep beating the same horse that died a decade ago. The whole thing has gone beyond the point of being silly.

I try to stay away from these type of arguments, but sometimes you can't help but be annoyed with a grown man sticking his tongue out while saying  "na na my hero is better than yours."

Because we have Booker for that.  :hihi:

I'm balancing things out by telling "Yes Booker, you have that kinds of fans on "your" side too".

 ;)


/jarmo

Yes to me they are. But im not dumb enough to say that is current lineup is better than what some other bands have done over the past x amount of years. Do I think they ar ethe best of course. But i have been saying this from day 1...they still have to prove it with their album...so  : ok:

And your assuming the past tour was cancelled because axl was an asshole???

Thats his personal feelings towards teh guy. Who are you to say he cant feel or say that. and if someone says that how is that not being classy. This is rnr. Why is everyone so wrapped up about how axl feels about slash and slash feels about axl. If one were to critisize the others talents and contributions then thats a different story.

If it makes you feel all happy inside go for it. whatver. all i know is that axl is a much nicer guy then many make him out to be.

Because he has matt sorum doing it for him  :hihi:

deja vu all over again...

You said this before when we argued about Slash & ProTools - remember?  :yes:

Why is it so important to you that everyone feels the same, Jarmo?   Even I wasnt being an elitist (which I can be), I can still judge people's posts based on their intelligence and so-called objectivity of the content.  

So do you intend to keep taking potshots at VR until you establish some kind of Communist utopia at HTGTH?   It wont happen...

You're not making sense, Keeper Of The 3-album Faith.   Rebecca stated her opinion of VR, and you stated yours about nuGNR.  You think nuGNR are "the best", and then you say you are not dumb enough to state that they are better than other bands? What do you think best means?     ::)

I suspect you will haunt this side of the board for a while.  Because now that Buckethead is gone (which gave you a momentary "deflation"), and Tommy is off touring with the Figgs, Dizzy doing some solo work, and Robin hasnt changed his look again, you'll hang out here where the action is?  Too bad, it used to be my refuge.

What are you talking about?

I don't care if everybody feels the same or not. I'm saying, I find it funny how some people think they're better than others. That goes for everything from fans of a certain band to whole countries who think they're so much better than the rest of the world.....



/jarmo

Fine.  But why is it that you have to make mean spirited remarks about the VR guys to get your point across?   It's like you're trying to humiliate people for being VR fans because a few posters make fun of people for being nuGNR fans?

Its not faith its fact. Faith would be believing we will see those 3 albums. That you can say.
The poster made a claim that vr is the best band. That fine if they think that but they first have to release material and succeede and climb the chain so to speak. You cant just be the best by showing up.


Yes, indeed i will. Im also a fan of vr. Im still pissed about bucket leaving. But what ya gonna do. Im pretty sure axl will keep his stuff on the album so im not worried about that. As for the other members. They are just doin their thing till its time.



Now you know how I and other gnr fans feel when people sabatoge the band with hate and all the other bullshit on the gnr board. Things come full circle its funny....

Im not saying you couldnt go to a gnr board if you dont love the new band but some people just go there to bash,bash.bash,give various types of journalism lessons and other bullshit. After a few years its gets really depressing actually. but youll get used to it.

How is that claim any different from yours about "new GNR being the greatest band in the world"?

 :confused:

What "mean spirited remarks"?

That I think it's funny they use the same intro from the UYI tour? That I think it's kinda funny they describe themselves as "dangerous"?

I don't buy everything VR tells me. It's a big marketing plan to me. To you it might be a rock band playing just for fun, to me it's RCA trying to sell records.

There's nothing "dangerous" about playing by the book if you ask me. VR are doing everything you should to sell records. That's ok, many bands do that.

I consider Pearl Jam to be more "dangerous" than VR.  : ok:

If you take these comments personally, then it's not my problem. I didn't single out you or anybody else. I said these people exist whether you like it or not. Some of you attack Dave because he's like that according to some VR fans.



/jarmo

you know, I used to do that...but then I stopped (dont know if you noticed).  But have you ever wondered why they do it?  Sure, there are some people who do nothing but bash, bitch, and complain.   But a lot of people are simply disillusioned - cant you understand that?    They bitch because they hate watching their favorite band continue to do nothing.  EVEN YOU succumbed to momentary despair when BH left.

I dont mind if people dislike VR's music - everyone can be a music critic, but when it comes to Axl & Slash, things always get nasty.  IMO, Jarmo picks on Slash a lot to counteract all the negative remarks about Axl, but two wrongs dont make a right.

Hmm...So following that logic (and assuming the bands definition of "dangerous" matches yours - which Im sure it doesnt), Guns N' Roses were never "dangerous"?  After all, they did interviews with magazines and television, promo appearences, music videos, etc.

I think the whole "dangerous" angle is stupid as well...but I think youre interpretation is a little off, to say the least.  I also think your idea of what is dangerous is bizarre as well...not making videos or doing press is "dangerous"?  To me its kind of self-spiteful, but Im all for artists doing what they want to do.  And if an artist actually wants a lot of people to hear their record, and pushes it through promotion, then its all the same to me.

I know you dont buy the marketing crap.  Neither do I, and I'm willing to bet almost nobody actually believes VR is a "dangerous" band.   It's just they we're trying to be positive!  Werent you the one that said we should try to be positive?  :hihi:

If you ask me, the true die-hard VR fans are not on HTGTH.  Here, we are cautiously positive.  We're waiting to see how this all turns out.   We're trying to let go of the past, and then someone makes a silly thread comparing Axl to a bootleg -  of course people will get angry!  Dont you agree?  

Exactly!  ::)

Don't forget I also pick on Matt Sorum to counteract everything bad said about Brain!

 :hihi:


I don't know if you're interested in hearing the truth since you've obviously made up your mind about what I do and why, but for those of you who might be interested, here it is: I comment on things I find "interesting" and/or "funny". I don't find Axl's hair interesting, I don't care about how Duff looks.....



/jarmo

Because the psoter said vr is the best band of the past 6 yrs. That is a riduculous statement. And would be a ridiculous statement if someone said the same about gnr.

Yes, i ahve realized that many peopel on these boards, axl fans/hater slash fans/haters etc are truly misinformed and very dellusional. I def. agree with you on that.

I cant argue you on that. its the truth. But my main point since ive been posting here is trying to tell people that yea gnr is at times a joke, but what isnt being bashed yet is the music. Its all about the music. SO i guess bash them now because theres nothin to do, but when they finally release the stuff people will fall in love again{if the material is great}....i guess whatever floats peopels boats....


As for the whole VR marketing/"attitude" thing...
This is what pisses me off most about vr. They are always talking about being this old school rock/we are bringing back rock/ music world sux{and it does/ yayadayyaya....we know that already they have said it a billion times. now go out an do it. what made gnr so special was that they were everything they said. They LIVED it. Vr will never live that kind of way again, therefore they cannot truly be what they say. As for their material repreenting what they say. Its not grimy rock. It just isnt. its reg rock but better. thats really my only problem with vr. they are always talking baout thisimage thing. who cares. as nike says....just do it....

Jesus christ kid, you think telling somebody "suck my dick" is classy in any way?  And what the fuck is this "who am I to say this" shit?  What the fuck does that have to do with anything?  You've really gone off the deep end now.  You're beyond explanations.


And you know this how?   ???


Yeah, go ahead and laugh away the facts, jack.  

read all the articles on this very site from 94/95 on. read the fan encounters. its all there. is axl an asshole, absoulutely...but hes also a very nice guy....

will do...its ok i know i will have the last laugh though...cant tell you when..but i def. will have the last laugh and i cant wait....

What the hell does class have to do with rnr. Just in case you forgot, slash cam eout of the same grimy apartment axl did. slash lived the same life axl did. i dont even wanna bring up this class/ethics thing. this is getting ridiculous. for me to have to defend axl on class because slash fans keep pointing out how "offensive" axl is...poor fukin pussies.. holy shit...axl said suck my dick to slash...no class who cares. thats his feelings. slash has class ok, if it make you happy slash has class...nwo can we drop this stupid argument....

to me they are. as a personal thing, they are the greates thing in the world. but it wouldnt be fair and "objective" to think that as fact to the rest of the musical landscape. how can you say vr or gnr have been the best band in the world over the past 6 yrs from a commercial standpoint. They havnt released anything yet and vr is about to release their album.....
im not stuck in anything...

the mets are my favorite team and i think they are the best but if i said they have been the best team in baseball over the past few years i would get laughed at. Its one thing to beleive something personally and another to put it in perspective....

Oh...so I guess the guy who made his statement was speaking for sombody else?  Relaying a message maybe?

However it doesnt change the fact that your stance on the matter is that a band cant be the best simply by showing up.  That is exactly what you said...However the new GNR is the best - simply by showing up.  


Oh...that guy was speaking from a commercial standpoint.  Thanks for clarifying... :confused:


So what if you call them "the greatest [team] in the world"?  Is there really a difference?

i have no idea..ask him...instead of answering his posts....

axl,bucket,robin,fortus,tommy,dizzy,pittman,brain,dizzy....the monstrosity known as gnr...that very band to me and what they are and represent and have done so far and what there capable of TO ME is the greatest band in the world.

if you were doing a vh1 show on "most important bands" of the past 5 yrs...vr or gnr wouldnt make the list. and why should they. they have done nothin in terms of satisfying the public. when they begin to release their material that is when you gauge their importance on the musical scene .....

...

So like I said, theyre the best simply by showing up.

But then why would you object to somebody believing that VR, what they are and what they represent are the greatest band to come along in 6/7 years (as if theres really a difference between saying that and saying "...in the world")?  Because they didnt say "To me...IMO...Its my belief that..."?  Simple inference isnt enough to determine that his statement is obvious what he feels.


When did this guy say anything about importance?  He said, like you did, "The Best".  

Youre struggling, grasping at those straws, so Ill stop rehashing it.  All I will say is that you should probably put more thought into the arguments you start and the opinions you give, especially when youre directly contradicting yourself in another post not even made 24 hours ago.  So if you truly believe that calling a band with no material "the best" is wrong, you shouldnt do the exact same thing, you know?

in response to:  "I guarantee you will never hear Slash making those sort of comments towards Axl.
Why?"

lol!  


I respect Axl for speaking his mind and telling it like it is without giving a fuck about appearances.

So he used obscenities... so fuckin' what?
I like that he does not hide his feelings and expresses them in a manner that shows his anger.

in my opinion slash said 'was that really necessary' because as usual he wants to look like 'the good guy' who has no 'hard feelings' against his 'bro'.  i'd prefer if he just came out and said something like 'axl can suck my dick' instead of being two faced

but as we can see by the latest developments Slash does his dirty deeds behind the scenes

I say 'get in the ring' slash!  get in the motherfucking ring!  :rant:

oh no... wait.. Slash just sent his lawyer in with a note  :hihi:


 

would you liek me to tell you why i think gnr is the greatest band in the world to me booker?

im not objecting to the person thinking that about vr. if someone loves vr and it means teh world to them...thats awesome....but you cant say that they are the greatest thing in music for the past 5 yrs. same can be said for gnr...i dont know how many times i have to tell you but ill kepp doing so....

he said vr is the best band of the past 6 yrs...or something liek that. im too lazy to go look back...

im not struggling one bit my friend. I dont need to go back to other forums, other threads, other posts to support what i say unlike you. i say what i say.

Once again...ill try to say it one more time for you....
I never said it was wrong for him to think that vr is a great/best band despite them not releasing any material yet. Im saying that how can you explain that to someone who doesnt even know anything about vr. When he says vr is the best band of the past 5 yrs. what is he saying? until he answers me im assuming he means that vr has had more of an impact than any other band. and i say how is that possible.

The funny thing is no1 even knows how he said it....he could have said it in a sarcastic way or he could have been serious. but people just say "see look! slash is such class"...get a boot of the show and find out how he said it before vindicating him a saint.....


...song ends...people in the crowd begin to say....
Axl says...Now, was that really necessary? :hihi:
See Axl has class too!!!!!!!

Ohh no, but in the "axl fans" eyes, Axl can do no wrong, they will turn a blind eye to everything bad Axl does, or make an outlandish excuse for it

So yeha they'll justify Axl saying that coz "The rest of the guys didnt believe in Axl, ohhh & Izzy promised Axl in 1980 that he would never go back to Indiana, shame on him for changing his mind & destressing Axl so much"

Slash & Duff have been more than fair when they are asked about Axl, they usualy tell the truth & dont say anything too personal or totally knock the shit out of Axl (Matt does a bit thou). But apparently there the bad guys. Just ask DaveGNR & Eva, they'll give you 100's of conspiracy theories on how Duff & Slash are bad people & Axl is innocent of any wrong doing, & his "suck my dick" comment was justified ::)

Yeah, knowing Axl if people started chanting "FUCK SLASH" he probably would've embraced it & helped lead the chant & gone on one of his rants again

Dare he who says someone doesnt have class when he has done nothing to suggest otherwise


Just because Axl was the lead singer in the biggest rock band in the world AT THAT TIME doesnt excuse him for the way he has treated fans over the years. Yes, Axl isnt always Mr Asshole, but the proof is in the pudding, Slash & everyone else used to arrive pretty much on time, Axl would keep fans waiting hours, that shows his respect for the fans right there, if he cared, he would care about the fans who are standing in a cramped up crowd for 2 hours waiting for him to arrive

& GNR's downfall in the publics eyes was due to the way Axl acted on the tour, what he did in St Louis was stupid, the Montreal thing was even worse. Vancouver & the canceled tour, well i cant really say its all Axl's fault in those 2 situations, however, Vancouver was somewhat caused by Axl's decision to fly there later than he was suposed to


No, it doesnt make you an asshole if you dont have a cd. However, you are an asshole if you string along fans for as long as Axl has. He said soon in 1999, he said it was coming soon in 2001, he said soon in 2002, & well look its 2004 & in his press release he said a release date would be released soon (its been about a month since that release & we havent heard anything yet have we). Then he does tours saying "Chinese Democracy starts now" that was back in 2001 & 2002, & we are still waiting for it to start

He is stringing along people, why doesnt he just be honest & say "I dont know when the album is coming out, & its not coming any time soon".


What are you talking about, Slash & Duff only talk about Axl when they are asked, which is inevitable, & usually they are just honest about it, they dont go saying "suck my dick Axl", they just say how things feel apart, & they dont say alot of bad shit or horror stories that the media would liek to feed on.


That could be true, but how'd u get so certain about it

& you know this for sure how

Hell why am i even replying you've already said your biased & i dont wish to deal with that

So this is where the holding-forth and flaming is going on, silly me i thought people had grown out of it!

Why people can't just enjoy the band without squabbling over daft little points

I also love the way people are so pro-VR without even hearing the album, if it stinks then there will be alot of humble pie being eaten...

All I can say is that Axl goddamn well better deliver the greatest album of all time, because otherwise you'll never be able to live down your extreme overconfidence.



Oh yes, let's all just respect Axl, no matter what comes out of his mouth.   ::)

Let's all respect Hitler for speaking his mind too.  I mean sure, he fucking hated jews, but he spoke his mind right?  And we must respect him for that!   ::)


Who the fuck is "We"?  Do you have turds in your pockets?

Everything you said is complete speculative crap (at best), it's ridiculous and unfounded (and that's being nice), and so typical of the "Slash is a liar" crowd.

That's how you know you've worshipped Axl for too long; when you assume that all of his former bandmates must be as resentful and bitter as he is because there is no possble way they could've risen above it and gone on with their lives.  You assume that just because Axl hasn't, nobody else could possibly either.  You assume everybody is all fucking bitter and their every move is a calculated attempt to bring Axl down.  Their entire lives center around destroying Axl.  That's the idea, right?

You have my unconditional pity.  Go ahead, continue to live in your delusional Axl world (a sociopsychotic state of bliss).  No dose of reality can bring you back now.


You really amuse you, don't you?  We'll see who else laughs at your lame "jokes".



'nuff said.

LMAO at eNgIes!
its not a news report
LMAO!
hahaha!
what you said made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE whatsoever.

PLUS - you keep saying you are not going to reply to my posts...
you say you haven't even read the posts i put in the lawsuit thread... yet YOU KEEP REPLYING TO MY POSTS!

you are on the verge of becoming obsessed with me, no?
 :rofl:


Oh my god!  :rofl:  Axl is Hitler now!?  
PRICELESS

Axl is no Hitler - and I'm proud to say he is no George Bush either...  :hihi:



We is anyone who has fuckin eyeballs.
And what the fuck does 'turds in your pockets' mean?

If its a personal insult you can shove it up your ass.  : ok:


Are you refering to my comments in the lawsuit thread.
Its on page 2 on the main board if you wanna bump it back up with your comments I'll check 'em out



Um. No.  



LOL!
Thats typical Axl-supporter bashing.
These should be collected into a handy reference guide.

Why do you keep trying to characterize me?
You don't know me.  Don't go there.





I'm developing quite the following I see...   :rofl:


I didn't say shit about their band.
So the band doesn't exist as a fuck you to axl.
Doesn't mean a 'fuck you' to Axl doesn't exist.

Matter of fact.. last time I checked there was a 16 page 'fuck you' to axl floating around.  :hihi:

ANd you better hope he doesnt because when he does you will witness the greatest gnr message board post the internet has ever seen  ;)

 : ok:

The sad thing is that the humble pie will just sit there on the table un-eaten, because the Axl fanboys will refuse to admit the slightest, minor flaw in anything produced by Axl or the new GNR.

If Axl were to release an album full of "My World" clones, it would still be undoubtedly the greatest thing since sliced bread according to some people, and something that Velvet Revolver would never be able to "hold a candle to."

Go ahead VR haters, sit there and bash the hell out of VR, just because Axl tells you in your dreams that you must hate Slash...   ::) it's your loss for wasting undoubtedly some of the best rock music we've heard in years.

The clock is ticking Axl; if you want to rule rock n' roll the way some of your fanboys believe you will, you better get a move on.  : ok:

The same way, other people will not praise the album if it deserves praise. I can see the threads and "complaints" now...gee golly that cockaroach soup song is good but i dont liek that sound in the backroundf...is that really necessary?....


Not really. But if you think that go for it. What Vr cant hold a candle to as of right now is maddy and the blues....then we got the others but we dont want anohter long borig thread....so ill save it

Just because people critisize vr doesnt mean they are haters. some might be but some arent. How is it different than "haters" roaming the gnr boards all of these years creating thousands of bahsing threads regarding everything from axls braids to if he shits the right way. Vr fans just keepsaying sttop comparing the two bands yadaydya ...u cant its only a natural compairson, one in which ha sbeen brought up many times with gnr....

Heres the kicker. Now expalin to me why its the greates rock music we have heard in years. Its cool if you think so its your opinion. But please dont state it as fact. They are average rockers. Nothing to get your panties all wet about....

Something we agree on

Exactly - because the childish bitch Axl acts like a twelve year old if he doesn't get his way. He has no class. The only way that he can prove that he gives even a portion of a shit about his fans is to release that damned CD, but he never did care about his fans, and I don't see why he would now. His fans have been fucked over many times by him, and so have his band members - and that's why he can't keep a fucking band together, because no one can stand to deal with his insane bullshit except his blindly loyal fans who can't get his dick out of their mouths long enough to see what the ex-members are doing for us - or at least even fucking appreciate it - but no, of course the ones who are actually out there releasing shit for us, get shit on, because it's against the ways of the Almighty God Axl Holy Rose, and no one wants to sin against Axl.
   
You know what, I am fucking sick of this "let's shit on Slash and the ex-members because they're the good guys" crap! What Slash said, if it had been even a tad bit sarcastic, it would have been exaggerated like everything is in news, reviews, magazines, and such crap. People just don't want to face the facts about Axl bitch Rose, so they dig up every little thing they can to exaggerate, or twist around, about what they say to make them seem just as bad or worse than Axl.
   
If Axl had said that at a concert, of course people would argue about what a saint he is, but seeing that it was mean ol Slash, it just HAD to be wrong, because only Axl's words are true.

I'm so sick of the Axl side, and the Slash side. There should be a certain section of this board where people can rant, rave, and bitch away over this crap without having to see it on the VR board, for VR fans - that way we can discuss and appreciate the new music that is being put out for us, and so that Axl worshipping fucks can constantly make up excuses for their god, and maybe discuss the weather, elsewhere, while they wait and wait and wait for CD to be released, running into walls repeating "It will only be tomorrow, it will only be tomorrow, it will only be tomorrow." Maybe they can get their religious group together and corner people at malls to tell them "Axl loves you."
   
Though, as far as VR goes, I honestly don't see why people can't just appreciate the music - or not. If you don't like VR because you don't like Scott Weiland as a singer, or you don't like their music, lyrics, or what the fuck ever, that's all fine and good. I respect those opinions because they are reasonable - unlike the idiots who want to boycott the album just because it would go against Axl's wishes to buy it. The way that I see it, Axl doesn't give a shit about any of his fans, including me, or any of you, so why should anyone respect him!?

I didn't read every page of this thread, so sorry if I dug up a bunch of shit that has already been resolved (or momentarily forgotten).

Not my implication at all.  If you'd read more carefully, it's obvious that I just meant that it's absolutely laughable to say that you respect someone just because he speaks his mind.  


Indeed.


Again, that wasn't my insinuation, but even it if were, don't take my word for it....

The final straw was Axl, who was like Adolf....

---Izzy Stradlin, 1993, an excerpt from his reasons for quitting GNR



Quit it Eva!  You're making me laugh so hard my sides are aching.   :P


And anybody who has a brain can see that the lawsuit is very valid.  But that's another thread.....



I'll restate it and see if you understand it this time......  Who is we....do you have turds in your pockets?  In case that wasn't enough, I'll explicate the statement's meaning.....you said "we" obviously meaning more than one.  Since not everybody (as you seemingly assume) thinks that Axl is being victimized by this lawsuit, I asked who you were referring to by "we" since you seem to think that someone's with you..hence the "turds in your pockets" quip.  Now I do realize that there are people who do concur with you, so my statement was more or less exaggerated.


Actually it wasn't, but I have to love your eloquent comebacks.  "Shove it up your ass", there's no possible way I could top that (or bottom that), is there now?  :p

Judging by replies by that, it's easy to see you're an Axl disciple, you mirror him perfectly in the unsubtle rant respect.  So : ok: yourself.


Nope, I was referring to the "They're out to get Axl!" paranoid delusions you were posting on this thread.


You're right, the lawsuit thread is another thread (see above), and I've already said everything I needed to say long ago.  In fact, I think my comments on that issue are on the first thread, which is now locked.


Mmmm hmmm.



Gotta love the Dave-gnrrhff2k style LOLs.


Is it now?  And you're one to talk about making comments considered "typical".


I'll write one for you for the right price.


Keep?  This thread is pretty much the first time I've ever replied to you; as for your character, you do a pretty good job of characterizing yourself.  You don't need my help.


"Don't go there"?  Or else what?  You'll tell me to 'talk to the hand'?


Indeed.  Zero fans and counting....    :D


Be careful, Dave's going to be pissed at you stealing his trademark emoticons.  Gotta let the Axl bashers know you're laughing at them, eh?



Yes, that's right!  The paranoid conspiracy theories are alive and well!  THEY'RE OUT TO GET AXL!  Come on, help me sing your hymns!


And not one post on whatever thread that is was made by Slash or Duff.



I hope you have the chance to make that post, and I am not being condescending or disingenuous when I say that.  Because I feel bad for Axl loyalists.  I truly do.  Because I am constantly reading the posts made by you guys defending him to the death, and what do you get in return?  Nothing.  He's teased you so much over the past three years telling you how he's going to deliver the album you crave and what has he given you?  Nothing.

So I really do empathize with you, because you (and others) are obviously very passionate about Axl, and he isn't fulfilling the anticipations he has purposefully raised within you.  So I sincerely do hope his fabled album does get released and you are able to make this purported "greatest GNR message board post", because there's nothing worse than waiting around for something that may never happen, and I can understand.

I felt the same way around 1995 when I was waiting for the original lineup to get together and release something, because there was this talk about Izzy returning, and Slash even mentioned Steven Adler here and there, implying that terminating him was a mistake to begin with.  So there I was hoping I'd get another great album from the classic GNR, and then my long-standing hopes dwindled away until it was official that Slash was out.

So again, I can understand and appreciate how it feels to anxiously await something that (deep down) you know might never happen.  So here's to hoping you are able to make that post of yours, younggunner.  And I'll laugh at myself along with you.   :peace:

Awwwww poor babies. The mature vr fans want to enjoy thier band in their own section. That would have been all fine and dandy but do you know why thats not possible? Because for the past few years people who despise axl or the new band have roamed gnrs boards and continued to bash the band .....bring up pointless topics etc. PAYBACK SUX im not sayign peopel are just here for payback but the "vr fans" have created this backlash that only forces new gnr fans to respond and give their view on vr....like it or not too fukin bad.....get used to it....

What i personally dont do is fall into the trap many people fall into. Until the album release is official i wont beleive it. SO for me I havnt been frusterated or "betrayed" by my idol one bit. WHne it comes out i will be there.

3 albums 10million plus....it will eventually come out my friend...
Gnr fans expect the best from this band. Why settle for less. Why just say we just want reg rock when we can have that and more. The expectations are high....the reward will be sweet.....
cheers to that...

deep down inside the reason why gnr message boards exist today with all of this intensity and passion is because of the mystery axl has built. DEEP DOWN INSIDE even the haters know that theres a distinct possibility that axl rose has made something very special. whethe ryou think he is capapble of carrying it all out. or if u just think hes an asshole....thats a whole different thing....but there is a very good chance that he has made something that meets or surpasses all gnr efforts......and if he does, well.........youll be reading a very lenghty post to say the least

My reply is contained below within the quote box in red bold type face .

My respect for Slash has gone up a couple of notches over the limit :hihi:

Did you see her website, she's a nutter you wont get thru to her

Did you see our rules, you're breaking them right there.




/jarmo

So you are visiting my homepage, huh?
I take back what I said about you being on the verge of becoming obsessed with me...   you're past that point when you make statements like the one you just made.

You call me a nutter.  You are the one stalking me on this message board and on my homepage.

Plus - "she's a nutter"?  If you are gonna call me names have the balls to say it 'to my face'/directly to me... instead of refering to me in the third person.

Not that I, or any other poster on this board, should have to deal with personal insults at all.  

Matter of fact, I have reported you to the moderators.

Hope this puts and end to your ill conceived personal campaign against me.

I have made this point before but I will do it again.
Why is it when VR/slash fans cant refute points they turn to name calling and personal bashing on this board? H MMMM

When ever  you seem name calling or  bashing it always starts with the VR/slash fans casting the first stone, why is that?

This thread the Fall To Pieces and the Axls Got Nothing To Worry About thread are all the same. Gn'R Vs VR - get back on topic!

this thread title is about a Fuck Axl chant and Slash's reaction to it (+ Chicago Review).  That is what I originally posted about.  Other poster(s) decided to turn it into a bashing thread making assumptions about other posters and caling names.
Just clarifying that.
 :peace:

YoungGunner:

PAYBACK SUX im not sayign peopel are just here for payback but the "vr fans" have created this backlash that only forces new gnr fans to respond and give their view on vr....like it or not too fukin bad.....get used to it....

You said it, you're here for the payback, have a close read of what you just wrote.

So i suppose all your comments on VR are going to be negative judging from your posts already and what you just wrote above.

Keep waiting for that album buddy.

Appears that way.....Atleast when talking about VR.

Yes, I agree. He is definatley an Axl worshipper and reacts similar to Dave in certain situations.

No, my comments on vr will not be negative just for the sake of being negative or giving payback. I said the people who seem liek thier bashing vr for the sake of bashing vr are the people from gnr boards who have had to put up with the same bullshit but for a lot longer than you lil babies have. They have every right to invade your precious vr board and bring up anything negative about vr.

As for me...Im a vr fan. Am i a die hard? aboslutely not. But im not a die hard because slash and duff is in the band im not a diehard because they havnt given me anyhting to be die hard about. They dont mean much to me that way. I like thier music. I think their stuff is pretty good. I have been an stp fan long before i discovered gnr, so i love weiland. And theres a reason why I love old gnr ....slash ring a bell?......so i liek the peopel in the band.  
Im even goin to their nyc show...would ya look at that....I cant help it that I think their songs are average and do not represent what their capable of. They are good rockers. Nothing more nothing less. If you think thats bashing, then thats your opinion.

I just find it really funny how now that vr are finally in the spotlight their fans dont liek their boards gettin raided with comparisons, stupidity, hate and everythign else.just think that if all of that didnt exist on the gnr boards that intensity and negativity wouldnt even exist with any of these bands...but peopel have nothing better to do so they create rumors, and bash the new band. all of that gets built up over the years...now its only natural for "newgnr" fans to point out the same petty things that hav ebeen brought out over on the gnr boards.....liek ive been saying lately...what goes around comes around....peace

Not sure that is true, but if it is.... IT IS DEFINATELY SLASH AND DUFF"S FAULT!!! God they are low...

The reason peopel would go to teh GnR boards and talk shit as because they for the most part were GnR fans. They and myself could and still cannot stand what Axl did to that band and it's legacy. He has slowly turned them into a joke. If he let it die and realized what he is and started his own thing, the backlash wouldn't have been so bad. People coming here for payback is really childish. The worst part is not a part of VR and never has been so the comparrisons and bashing is pointless.

True enough statement, but the "say it to my face" line being spoken to someone over the internet made me chuckle.   :hihi:

So being that some gnr fans think Axl has ruined the gnr name it is necessary to bash the new band and just create countless pointless threads on axls appearance, the band members and comparison of old an dnew? if u ask me thats kind of childish.

If peopel want to come here and state thier opinion on why they think vrs music or image or whatver is good or bad, they have every right to do so.

Somebody lock this ... please ...

I used single quotation marks to indicate that its a saying not to be taken literally, adding the "/directly to me" for further clarification.
Anyhow, I do realize that you 'got it' so  - enjoy your chuckle.  ;D

This thread falls under the "stupid and boring" category which means I can lock it.  :hihi:




/jarmo