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Title: If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: slashedguns on May 19, 2004, 11:28:51 AM I know VR is getting their fair share of hype from the public and media at the moment and desevedly so,but, I was thinking if Izzy was in the band would the hype be much stronger because of the stronger GNR connection?
Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: starchild_666 on May 19, 2004, 11:51:52 AM I don't think so... people just would talk about original GNR reunion more and more...
And I'm not sure if there would be VR if Izzy would play with this band... Scott didn't really like Izzy songs so I'm not sure if he'd joind the band if Izzy would write with them :) Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Izzy on May 19, 2004, 12:09:25 PM It would be pretty incredible thats for sure
Rather than Dave 'no one knows/cares who i am' we would have Izzy 'I can actually write good songs' Stradlin Izzy would make this whole thing a lot more intresting but i can't blame he not wanting to be in the group - he's already had to deal with one derenaged front man...... Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Falcon on May 19, 2004, 12:43:13 PM If it was Izzy along with Scott it might garner some additional hype, Izzy instead of Scott might not get as much attention..
Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Slashly on May 19, 2004, 06:11:45 PM If Izzy was in the band Slash, Duff, and Matt wouldn?t need either Dave nor Scott caouse Izzy could jdut sing and play guitar.
With the songs I have heard from VR I have thought of something: I?m sure that what most of us expected from that project was a rock-blues band- type guns n roses and you can really say VR isn?t that.It?s more metal-grunge oriented. Slash n? Duff: Get Izz back!! Slashly// Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Booker Floyd on May 19, 2004, 06:17:56 PM I?m sure that what most of us expected from that project was a rock-blues band- type guns n roses and you can really say VR isn?t that.It?s more metal-grunge oriented. Slash n? Duff: Get Izz back!! Do you really want that blues-rock sound? Because Slash has done it twice with Snakepit and people on here complain on the regular how much they disliked it... Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Slashly on May 19, 2004, 06:21:46 PM Well, I don?t wan?t a 3rd Snakepit.
But think about this:How bad can a band with Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt sound. And also, were you expecting a STP oriented band or an GNR oriented band?? Slashly// Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Booker Floyd on May 19, 2004, 06:29:44 PM Well, I don?t wan?t a 3rd Snakepit. But think about this:How bad can a band with Izzy, Slash, Duff and Matt sound. Not bad at all...but neither is this one? Unless youre implying that VR is bad? And also, were you expecting a STP oriented band or an GNR oriented band?? Neither... I was expecting a hybrid of both, yet something different from both, and thats what Ive heard so far. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Dizzy on May 19, 2004, 08:56:36 PM Much as I enjoyed the Snakepit records, I don't want a third either, I'm ready for something slightly different, and VR is just the thing.
I'd love it if Izzy were on board, though I'm willing to give the Dave dude a chance. I think it's good to mesh with a virtual unknown and give him the chance to play alongside the tried and true big leaguers. They were all unknowns at one point. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Ignatius on May 19, 2004, 09:12:52 PM If Izzy was in VR I'm sure we would have better songs. Same as if Izzy was in new-GNR. I'm not saying that I dislike VR material - shit, I've only heard three songs and I like them - it would just be better.
As for Izzy having taken the mike, I concur with Falcon. Scott brings the group to a higher level. However, the reviews I've read so far about the first couple of concerts, got me a bit concern. Some people here say the songs are very similar and only one or two are really worth it. I guess I will just wait till get the album, and hopefully - with all my respect to the ones who enjoy Snakepit - it won't sound too much like it. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Mr Cowbell ? on May 20, 2004, 01:53:57 AM I think Izzy is more of a song writer then performer. I have two of Izzy's solo albums and there are some good songs on them, and he did add alot to GnR. But we all know Izzy doesnt want to tour or be commited to any long time project. I am sure they offered Izzy a spot before Dave. Just like Izzy was suppose to join with that other band for a 25th reunion show this summer and when he heard there might be more then one show he backed out.
I think Izzy and Scott should of gotten together to write songs. Any rumors on wether any of the songs scheduled to be on Contraband are among the 10 izzy helped right? Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Booker Floyd on May 20, 2004, 02:01:24 AM Any rumors on wether any of the songs scheduled to be on Contraband are among the 10 izzy helped right? None of them are... Slash said its a possibility that theyll end up on an Izzy solo album, though. Title: Geez Post by: Mr Cowbell ? on May 20, 2004, 02:05:24 AM Geez mines as well put the gun in my head. :smoking:
I bet you Izzy got some good shit. Heroin kind of stuff Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: matt88 on May 20, 2004, 05:32:19 AM Nah it's stronger with Weiland, but if Izzy was in it as a full member the hype with the audience would be stronger cos he's a great songwriter : ok:
Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Rebecca Duff Rose on May 20, 2004, 03:29:02 PM I just can't wait for Izzy's new album- Izzy don't need NO-ONE but himself- he is super duper talented as we all should know!!!
It would just be GNR back together without Axl! :nervous: Anyways as long as Izzy's happy! VR are doing fine! Dave vs Izzy Izzy would win hands down for me! But Dave has qualities because he is more "TECHNO GROOVIO!" Which all of these bands are! But VR- just fuckin' rock! :beer: Rock On Izzy! We Love You! Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: axl_rose_700 on May 20, 2004, 04:00:44 PM Much as I enjoyed the Snakepit records, I don't want a third either, I'm ready for something slightly different, and VR is just the thing. I'd love it if Izzy were on board, though I'm willing to give the Dave dude a chance. I think it's good to mesh with a virtual unknown and give him the chance to play alongside the tried and true big leaguers. They were all unknowns at one point. That's true, but this band would be unbelievable if Izzy was in it!! Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: ClintroN on May 20, 2004, 09:03:29 PM i dont know about Izzy but i say get Matt the fuck outta their n' get Steven in. : ok:
Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Slashly on May 20, 2004, 09:24:33 PM Don?t think they will...Matt is pefect for the VR sound, Steven would have fitted if Izzy was also there and they were more blues-rock oriented.But Slash has already said that they didn?t wan?t to be like any band, neither STP, neither Gn?R, neither Skid Row (because of the Sebastia Bach thing).
Slashly// Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Greg on May 20, 2004, 09:31:08 PM I'd have to admit I would also prefer Izzy in the band. But, then again, without hearing the complete album or seeing the band live (yet) I really can't say who is better for the band itself, Dave or Izzy. Time will tell, I suppose. Either way, the band rocks regardless. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Freya on May 20, 2004, 10:26:17 PM If I had my pick, Mark Lanegan would have been the singer for VR, and then Izzy probably would have joined, they've worked together before.
Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Doc Emmett Brown on May 20, 2004, 10:54:15 PM I'd love it if Izzy were on board, though I'm willing to give the Dave dude a chance. I think that sums it up for me. When I saw that Izzy opted out of the New York Dolls reunion because he didnt want to go through with the full tour - I shook my head in disappointment.... Even that is too much for him. He just doesnt want to go all out again, and that's why he cant be in VR. I've learned to accept it. :-\ Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: jarmo on May 21, 2004, 06:28:22 AM If I had my pick, Mark Lanegan would have been the singer for VR, and then Izzy probably would have joined, they've worked together before. Interesting choice. Big fan of his work. :D But with a singer in the band, I'm not sure if Izzy would've joined..... /jarmo Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: tomass74 on May 22, 2004, 01:29:32 PM I think Kushner fits right in...
Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Billo on May 23, 2004, 02:49:17 AM ??? Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day..
Also lets give dave a fair go..Slash duff matt and scot have given dave HIGE praise for his work and they seen verry happy so i say rock on guys.. :beer: Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: blues_rock_axeman on May 23, 2004, 04:42:23 AM ??? Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day.. Izzy wrote the good Guns stuff! Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: starchild_666 on May 23, 2004, 05:00:17 AM ??? Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day.. Izzy wrote the good Guns stuff! Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: outlawaxl on May 23, 2004, 05:44:27 AM This band would have been called GnR minus Axl if Izzy were in the band... dont they want to get away from that?? but any band is a better band with Izzy Stradlin in it...
Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Izzy on May 23, 2004, 08:28:39 AM ??? Izzy hey....NO way...im a huge guns fan but was never a big izzy fan..id prefer Gilby any day.. Yeah...the stuff Gilby wrote for GNR is much better than the stuff Izzy wrote :confused: With Izzy in VR we would finally learn what GNR would have been without Axl To be fair the arrangement they have got going at the moment seems to be a good compromise - Izzy wouldn't have toured so Dave would have been needed no matter what - yet at the same time Izzy is unofficially in the band anyway writing stuff for them, he's the '6th' member just like West Arkeen was for GNR. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Top-Hatted One on May 23, 2004, 09:29:00 AM Only none of Izzy's songs are not on Contraband.
But they might be on a future Izzy solo album or maybe even the 2nd VR album, who knows.. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Slashly on May 23, 2004, 05:10:34 PM Well, lets hope so.......
Baby Slash// Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Billo on May 23, 2004, 07:20:16 PM I really dont care what you izzy lovers say....He walked out...Gilby helped save the tour...FACT....and gilby never got the chance to write in GNG did he.. :peace:
I prefer Gilby over izzy... Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: GNRisAFD on May 23, 2004, 07:27:29 PM Izzy and Axl were the engine room of GNR to me.
I think there are 3 reasons why Izzy won't join VR, 1. is the volatile lead singer, 2., is he doesn't want to tour anymore and finally i don't think Scott wants to play in the "classic" mould that Izzy would have preferred. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: badobsession81 on May 23, 2004, 08:04:49 PM classic mould? howd u mean?
did izzy say he didnt want to work with scott or scott say he didnt like izzys songs? i hadnt heard that?!?! my slant on izzy is this: he obv dont want the big time and pressure of touring etc. axl criticised his playin and performance on the last tour. axl was bitter that iz didnt move and work the crowd like axl and slash did. and to an extent i 'get' that, but was he really a bad player live? maybe its that he got so wasted on the illusion tour (he did sound out of it on any boots ive got and his playin was loose). izzy to me was very important to gnr, but, only for the songs. i prefer other guitarists like fortus and gilby live, (and love dave's work ive heard so far!) listening to his solo songs however make me feel that he thinks a song is finished as soon as he comes up with it - his albums are very raw and to me it appears what reallly brought his songs alive were the other guns guys, i bet tehy added something to the songs and really pushed them up to another level, particularly axl. i get the sense that axl stretched the others songwriting ability. i get the same feeling with VR - slash is so keen to boast about how quick they wrote the new songs and recorded them, but if they had been gnr songs im sure axl wouldve worked on them longer and challenged the band members. i think its this that is missing from all ex-gnr members songs since gnr. i do like the new vr stuff a lot, but feel the song structure is a bit too influenced by scott in that they are chorus heavy at the end and are often very predictable in structure, u know? i just feel that songs like fall to pieces couldve been so much more, and had an end outro / bridge section rather than chorus repeats. but please dont get me wrong, i do LOVE this song and a lot of the others! anyway, that was my rambling thoughts on the subject! (sorry). please let me know if u agree/disagree and why! thanks :-) Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: jarmo on May 23, 2004, 08:20:01 PM did izzy say he didnt want to work with scott or scott say he didnt like izzys songs? i hadnt heard that?!?! Scott said some of the songs he got from Slash sounded "too GN'R" so he wasn't interested in those. I don't know if those songs were written with Izzy or not. /jarmo Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Booker Floyd on May 23, 2004, 08:47:31 PM I don't know if those songs were written with Izzy or not. Yeah, they were. Youre right, anything deemed "too GNR or STP" were discarded, and that included the 10 or so songs written with Izzy. Scott said they were on the first CD he was given (I believe it was when they were choosing their Hulk contribution) and they were more classic-based, and he wasnt as excited about them as the ones on the second CD, were were presumably more "modern". I really would love to see maybe a LIES-styled EP containing those Izzy tracks... Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: badobsession81 on May 23, 2004, 09:30:55 PM did izzy say he didnt want to work with scott or scott say he didnt like izzys songs? i hadnt heard that?!?! Scott said some of the songs he got from Slash sounded "too GN'R" so he wasn't interested in those. I don't know if those songs were written with Izzy or not. /jarmo nnnnnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i want those songs! stp is heard thru VR simply cuz of scott, but gnr influence seems very small considering there being 3 of em! :'( VR does seem to be quite duff influenced - punky, big machine is like that and theyre covering songs with punk attitude (bodies, its so easy, negative creep sounds punk too (the way its played) they seem to be tighter and more attcking in style of playing, close to spagghetti incident style gnr i feel. theres no swagger that (although im a matt fan) steven brought to the appetite band. - altho matt can replicate it, but they just ssem more attacking and punk oriented with sTP on top. weird. Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: Eugene Klein on May 24, 2004, 07:01:43 PM If I had my pick, Mark Lanegan would have been the singer for VR, and then Izzy probably would have joined, they've worked together before. When? Title: Re:If Mr Stradin was in VR Post by: jarmo on May 24, 2004, 07:14:12 PM If I had my pick, Mark Lanegan would have been the singer for VR, and then Izzy probably would have joined, they've worked together before. When? Apparently on Mark Lanegan's "Bubblegum" album. Which is coming in August. /jarmo |