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Title: another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on May 18, 2004, 12:42:13 AM
Use Your Illusion
Velvet Revolver is the best hope in a dismal lot of Guns N' Roses substitutes.
BY GEOFF HARKNESS
feedback@pitch.com


Someday it will happen. Hell will freeze over. Pigs will fly. Every star and planet in the universe will align in perfect harmony, and the original Guns N' Roses lineup will reunite for an album and a tour. Don't hold your breath just yet, but it's bound to occur eventually. The original, die-hard GN-fuckin'-R fans will accept no substitute. No Gilby, no Dizzy or Skizzy or Comet or Cupid. Just give us the original fab five who masterminded Appetite for Destruction.
Until then, there's Velvet Revolver. The band is the latest and greatest redheaded stepchild in the extended GNR family. The quintet's core consists of founding GNR guitarist Slash and bassist Duff McKagen as well as Use Your Illusion-era drummer Matt Sorum. And then some guy named Dave Kushner on rhythm guitar.

But a band is only as good as its frontman, and with Axl Rose long since having gone the way of Howard Hughes, Slash and his buds launched a lengthy search for a singer with an abrasive disposition and a great set of pipes. Enter Scott Weiland, the man who put the stoned in Stone Temple Pilots.

But replacing one of rock's most inconsistent frontmen with one of rock's most notorious fuck-ups might not be the smartest move in the playbook. After all, Weiland has been rehabbed more times than the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Of course, that might also make him the perfect choice for center stage. The STP belter has always been far more interesting than the other poor-man's Eddie Vedders channeling his pain in baritone. Plus, he's a genuine rock star: car crashes, drug busts, parole violations and more court appearances than Judge Judy just in the past year. Clich?? You bet, but it's refreshing in an era when the Perry Farrells of the world have traded sport fucking and heroin spikes for Pilates and wheat-grass juice.

With Velvet Revolver on the road for the next two months and Weiland's ongoing legal and personal woes still simmering, trouble seems to loom constantly on the horizon. The release date for the band's debut, Contraband, has already been pushed back a number of times, and VR had to postpone a video shoot when a judge refused to release Weiland from rehab. But who doesn't love an old-fashioned rock soap opera? Watching how long it takes VR to disintegrate is half the fun. And even if it doesn't disintegrate, the band has some significant obstacles to overcome.


Velvet Underwhelmed: What the hell is a Velvet Revolver anyway? Wait -- don't tell me. Like Led Zeppelin and Iron Butterfly, the moniker denotes a heavy-light dynamic that underscores the group's propensity for sonic and behavioral extremes, right? Besides, Aging Leather-Clad Drug Addicts was taken already. By M?tley Cr?e. At least it's not called Weiland's Snakepit.


Radio Ga Ga: Velveeta Revolver recently played an extra cheesy acoustic set on KROQ 106.7 in Los Angeles. The ragged performance showed VR to be little more than the world's most overrated, overpaid cover band. Redundant versions of STP's "Interstate Love Song" and GNR's "I Used To Love Her" inspired thoughts of the Gunners' disastrous punk covers album, The Spaghetti Incident. Di merda!

Axl Syndrome: Weiland is already exhibiting worrisome signs of Axlesque behavior. Use Your Illusion featured "Get in the Ring," an enraged ode to music journalists in which Rose named names and alienated GNR from the national rock press. Maxim recently dubbed Contraband its album of the month, but Weiland took issue with the reviewer's "punk-ass backhanded comments" and posted a seething retort on VR's Web site. "Let's meet up face-to-face," Weiland's blog challenged. "And see just how 'boozy' I am in person -- when I get 'maniac' on your ass motherfucker!" Next thing you know, the guy'll be showing up three hours late to gigs and starting riots in St. Louis.


Snake shit: Forget gold records -- these guys' collective side projects haven't even gone tin. Slash's Snakepit was so bad it made The Spaghetti Incident sound like Sgt. Pepper's. Weiland's and McKagen's solo efforts were relegated to cutout bins within seconds of release. Anyone remember the Neurotic Outsiders? Loaded? Ten Minute Warning? Mad for the Racket? Didn't think so.


Pig Fist: Having Matt Sorum on board does not inspire confidence. One of rock's most ham-fisted drummers, the bandana buffoon's lumbering stick work was an unwelcome contrast to original GNR drummer Stephen Adler. And Sorum's r?sum? includes Mr. Big and Slash's Snakepit. 'Nuff said.


Mr. Anonymous: No one knows, and -- in a band full of stars -- no one cares about former Electric Love Hogs guitarist Dave Kushner. Being in a group in which Matt Sorum is way more famous than you has gotta be a humbling experience. Remember, Dave, there's always telemarketing.


Axl still rules: Sure, he's a weirdo hermit who hasn't released an album in ten years, but at least he's kept busy in the studio and (mostly) avoided public humiliation. The running joke is that there will be democracy in China long before there is Chinese Democracy, the working title of Rose's long-delayed opus. But it might be worth the wait. Tracks from the Democracy sessions have been floating online for years, including songs such as "Best of Me," which are among the vocalist's finest to date. If the reclusive Rose can get his shit together long enough to release Democracy and complete a tour, he could regain his status as a rock god -- and leave Velvet Revolver dead and bloated.



pitch.com | originally published: May 13, 2004

thx to CDS at the bar and here for finding the article


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: kujo722 on May 18, 2004, 12:50:11 AM
Oh yeah "Best of Me" I hadn't heard that one in a while, totally slipped my mind.........................................  :rant:WTF is this moron talking about? :rant:


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: Doc Emmett Brown on May 18, 2004, 12:52:20 AM
Tracks from the Democracy sessions have been floating online for years, including songs such as "Best of Me," which are among the vocalist's finest to date.

what?!  who has heard of this "Best of Me"??

btw, this review was humorous in some parts...


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: kujo722 on May 18, 2004, 12:54:34 AM
Tracks from the Democracy sessions have been floating online for years, including songs such as "Best of Me," which are among the vocalist's finest to date.

what?!  who has heard of this "Best of Me"??

btw, this review was humorous in some parts...

You're right. I was enjoying it also, until that "Best of Me" crap


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: killingvector on May 18, 2004, 01:35:27 AM
yeah me too. I wonder what the hell that was about?


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: axls#2 on May 18, 2004, 01:46:38 AM
I'm thinking the reviewer was ripped out of his mind when he wrote this. Funny nobody besides him has heard "best of me" sounds like a cheesy Lionel Richie song or something.


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: SLCPUNK on May 18, 2004, 02:12:06 AM
First of all, why didn't he mention "My favorite pillow?!?!"  :rant: That is one of the best ones.  :hihi:

The article was good. But the guy was having a little bit too much of a jab at those guys. I mean, they haven't even released an album yet.

Also he was off on a couple of things.

Sorum was in The Cult  too. I never knew he was in Mr Big, is that true? Ragging on this guy, took a little more away from the author though.



Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: D on May 18, 2004, 03:00:47 AM
yeah my favorite pillow is the fuckin mad notes

estranged who?

my favorite pillow is axls comeback single!

when he drops that shit the world will bow down to gnr again!


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on May 18, 2004, 03:07:50 AM
i thought the article was pretty funny.  ;D


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: ClintroN on May 18, 2004, 04:12:22 AM
........na i dont know what to say after that shit.
This guy must have been off his guts.


its okay, just let it out ::)


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: matt88 on May 18, 2004, 04:48:06 AM
The article wasn't so bad.."Th guy who put stoned in the STP" :rofl:


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: Ignatius on May 18, 2004, 08:18:50 AM
Use Your Illusion
Velvet Revolver is the best hope in a dismal lot of Guns N' Roses substitutes.
BY GEOFF HARKNESS
feedback@pitch.com


Next thing you know, the guy'll be showing up three hours late to gigs and starting riots in St. Louis.


Snake shit: Forget gold records -- these guys' collective side projects haven't even gone tin. Slash's Snakepit was so bad it made The Spaghetti Incident sound like Sgt. Pepper's.


Being in a group in which Matt Sorum is way more famous than you has gotta be a humbling experience. Remember, Dave, there's always telemarketing.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Whether you live VR or not, you gotta give this guy credit for such a humurous article.
Hilarious!!!!!


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: Guns N Roses on May 18, 2004, 09:44:10 AM
Snake shit: Forget gold records -- these guys' collective side projects haven't even gone tin. Slash's Snakepit was so bad it made The Spaghetti Incident sound like Sgt. Pepper's.


This guy doesnt know what he is talking about The first Snakepit went atleast gold.  
I also Like SI I think it is a great album along with the snakepits


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: younggunner on May 18, 2004, 10:04:02 AM
Thas a funny ass article.....

shoddy jounralism posts begin.....


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: slashedguns on May 18, 2004, 10:29:55 AM
i guess thats  gonna be the theme of many articles untill either band  conquers all or fails miserably.


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: Izzy on May 18, 2004, 10:41:15 AM
Who's Stephen Adler? Matt Sorum is a great drummer, he just falls in Adler's shadow

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Anyway that article was hilarious, i loved every bit of it

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And then some guy named Dave Kushner on rhythm guitar

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Besides, Aging Leather-Clad Drug Addicts was taken already. By M?tley Cr?e. At least it's not called Weiland's Snakepit.


 :rofl:

While i can't wait for VR to burst onto the scene he makes many valid points

Now i'm off to Kazaa to look for 'The best of me' ::)


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: gilld1 on May 18, 2004, 11:04:28 AM
Somewhat funny article.  He did hit the GnR solo stuff right on the head!  But what kind of rock journalist doesn't know who Dave Kushner is?  I'm not a paid proffessional like this guy and I at least know that Kushner is a rotating member of Queens of the Stone Age.  Looking very forward to that new Velveeta Revolver album!!


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: kupirock on May 18, 2004, 01:48:46 PM
"The original, die-hard GN-fuckin'-R fans will accept no substitute. No Gilby, no Dizzy or Skizzy or Comet or Cupid"

 ::) ...the whole article is full of sh*t ....


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: RnT on May 18, 2004, 03:07:12 PM
Tracks from the Democracy sessions have been floating online for years, including songs such as "Best of Me," which are among the vocalist's finest to date.

At least we will have something to talk about for the next 3 months...




























WHATDAFUCK IS HE TALKING ABOUT ?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: echrisl on May 18, 2004, 04:02:49 PM
Kind of a half-assed article, but an interesting read none-the-less ...

The Best of Me?   ::)


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: MadmanDan on May 18, 2004, 04:12:10 PM
I think Axl's voice sounded kinda tired in "Best of me".  

YOU GOT THE BEST OF MEEEEEEEEE,
OH CAN'T YOU SEEEEEEEEE


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: HoldenCaulfield on May 18, 2004, 05:52:02 PM
Gone tin  :rofl: That is very true, and again, Axl is the difference maker. And the name 'Velvet Revolver' is such a play on past success, it's not even funny: Velvet (a rose) Revolver (a gun). I mean, come on.


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: tanya on May 18, 2004, 09:14:02 PM
how does velvet become "rose?" where did you get that from? I kind of agree with you on where revolver came from but it could just be an honest mistake.


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: SlashFan on May 18, 2004, 11:25:52 PM
Gone tin  :rofl: That is very true, and again, Axl is the difference maker. And the name 'Velvet Revolver' is such a play on past success, it's not even funny: Velvet (a rose) Revolver (a gun). I mean, come on.


The first Snakepit album went gold,but it wasn't really a Slash solo album,it was a great album.Duffs first solo album really sucked,Izzy first solo album was great,because it sounded nothing like GN'R.The person who wrote the article must be a fucktard.The End. :beer: :smoking:


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: HoldenCaulfield on May 19, 2004, 12:41:35 AM
how does velvet become "rose?" where did you get that from?

Well, "velvet" is often used as describing a very deep, red rose, very soft and smooth.


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: Acquiesce on May 19, 2004, 01:39:31 AM
I agree with whoever said this article is half-assed. At times, I'm thinking it's a satire because it's just a bit bizarre in certain points. He does deliver some humorous lines, though.


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: ccorn69 on May 19, 2004, 02:13:33 AM
ive never heard best of me, does that really exist? is it good?

i found the article to be funny,m but im stilll buying contraband if anything to hold me over tell hell frezzes over or CD comes out

peace  :peace:


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: SunKing278 on May 19, 2004, 05:12:17 AM
Someday it will happen. Hell will freeze over. Pigs will fly. Every star and planet in the universe will align in perfect harmony, and the original Guns N' Roses lineup will reunite for an album and a tour. Don't hold your breath just yet, but it's bound to occur eventually. The original, die-hard GN-fuckin'-R fans will accept no substitute. No Gilby, no Dizzy or Skizzy or Comet or Cupid. Just give us the original fab five who masterminded Appetite for Destruction.

Yeah, right.  Hell really will freeze over before we ever see a reunion of the original GNR line-up.  This isn't fucking KISS or the Eagles we're talking about here, this is Guns N'Roses, a band this writer obviously knows very little about.  I might be in the minority on this one, but I don't want to see a cheesy reunion tour when they are in their 50s soiling the spirit and memory of once was.  I'm fairly certain Slash, Duff, Izzy, Axl, and Steven would ever consider such a thing.

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But a band is only as good as its frontman, and with Axl Rose long since having gone the way of Howard Hughes, Slash and his buds launched a lengthy search for a singer with an abrasive disposition and a great set of pipes. Enter Scott Weiland, the man who put the stoned in Stone Temple Pilots.

But replacing one of rock's most inconsistent frontmen with one of rock's most notorious fuck-ups might not be the smartest move in the playbook. After all, Weiland has been rehabbed more times than the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Of course, that might also make him the perfect choice for center stage. The STP belter has always been far more interesting than the other poor-man's Eddie Vedders channeling his pain in baritone. Plus, he's a genuine rock star: car crashes, drug busts, parole violations and more court appearances than Judge Judy just in the past year. Clich?? You bet, but it's refreshing in an era when the Perry Farrells of the world have traded sport fucking and heroin spikes for Pilates and wheat-grass juice.

Yeah, it's really refreshing to see a man destroy himself, really amuses you, huh?  Weiland is trying to get his life together, let him be.  And a "poor-man's Eddie Vedder"?  Please, the rest of the world realized that wasn't quite true in 1994!

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Velvet Underwhelmed: What the hell is a Velvet Revolver anyway? Wait -- don't tell me. Like Led Zeppelin and Iron Butterfly, the moniker denotes a heavy-light dynamic that underscores the group's propensity for sonic and behavioral extremes, right? Besides, Aging Leather-Clad Drug Addicts was taken already. By M?tley Cr?e. At least it's not called Weiland's Snakepit.

I think it sounds like a pretty good name for a rock n'roll band myself.  Aging Leather Clad Drug Addicts already taken by Motley Crue?  Sounds as though the guy was trying to cram as many insults - backhanded and otherwise - toward as many people as possible in the course of one truly pathetic article.  How about being grateful that Slash, Duff, and Weiland have survived after living as hard as they did to be with us now.

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Radio Ga Ga: Velveeta Revolver recently played an extra cheesy acoustic set on KROQ 106.7 in Los Angeles. The ragged performance showed VR to be little more than the world's most overrated, overpaid cover band. Redundant versions of STP's "Interstate Love Song" and GNR's "I Used To Love Her" inspired thoughts of the Gunners' disastrous punk covers album, The Spaghetti Incident. Di merda!

Uhh, first of all it was just a little radio set, and what the hell was so cheesy about it?  And they weren't really "covering" anybody.  Those are their songs, for the love of God.  Furthermore, has this guy ever heard The Spaghetti Incident?  Of course he hasn't.  It's hardly a disaster in any sense.

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Axl Syndrome: Weiland is already exhibiting worrisome signs of Axlesque behavior. Use Your Illusion featured "Get in the Ring," an enraged ode to music journalists in which Rose named names and alienated GNR from the national rock press. Maxim recently dubbed Contraband its album of the month, but Weiland took issue with the reviewer's "punk-ass backhanded comments" and posted a seething retort on VR's Web site. "Let's meet up face-to-face," Weiland's blog challenged. "And see just how 'boozy' I am in person -- when I get 'maniac' on your ass motherfucker!" Next thing you know, the guy'll be showing up three hours late to gigs and starting riots in St. Louis.

I admit I was a bit perplexed that Weiland got so angry over the Maxim review, but it did, indeed, feature "punk-ass backhanded comments" about his troubles.  Weiland is no Axl Rose, though.  Despite the notoriety surrounding his drug addiction, the man is not in hiding.  He hasn't shown up late to any gigs or caused any riots.  As a performer, he gives you your money's worth.  During the 2002 tour, you never knew what you were going to get from Axl, if anything at all.

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Snake shit: Forget gold records -- these guys' collective side projects haven't even gone tin. Slash's Snakepit was so bad it made The Spaghetti Incident sound like Sgt. Pepper's. Weiland's and McKagen's solo efforts were relegated to cutout bins within seconds of release. Anyone remember the Neurotic Outsiders? Loaded? Ten Minute Warning? Mad for the Racket? Didn't think so.

I'm about 99.9% positive this writer has never heard Slash's Snakepit, or any of the other projects he refers to.  He completely ignores Izzy's solo work.  I don't think any of these projects were ever released with the intent of selling millions of records.  These guys all knew they weren't making the second coming of Appetite For Destruction on these projects, and never pretended that was their intention.  Do artists have to go platinum everytime out in order to be worthy in this jerk's eyes?  Hell, they were GNR (except for Weiland, of course, he's STP, a pretty big band in their own right), the biggest fucking rock n'roll band of the last 20 years!  They don't need to sell a gazillion copies of a solo project in order to win some idiot writer's respect, and they don't need to prove shit to anybody.

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Pig Fist: Having Matt Sorum on board does not inspire confidence. One of rock's most ham-fisted drummers, the bandana buffoon's lumbering stick work was an unwelcome contrast to original GNR drummer Stephen Adler. And Sorum's r?sum? includes Mr. Big and Slash's Snakepit. 'Nuff said.

I totally do not agree on this one.  Matt Sorum is a terrific drummer who was a perfect fit for GNR when Adler was too messed-up to carry on.  For that matter, I don't remember him ever being invovled with Mr. Big - say what you will, but they were a group of well-respected virtuoso musicians, and were very successful, so maybe this writer shouldn't be laughing so hard - and he never appeared on the Snakepit record, backing out of the project before it was recorded.  Sorum's resume also includes The Cult - one of the most awesome bands of the past two decades - and even work with a young Tori Amos.  The man is a total pro and a nice guy as well.  The intro to "You Could Be Mine" alone, come on!

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Mr. Anonymous: No one knows, and -- in a band full of stars -- no one cares about former Electric Love Hogs guitarist Dave Kushner. Being in a group in which Matt Sorum is way more famous than you has gotta be a humbling experience. Remember, Dave, there's always telemarketing.

The low-point of the article.  Actually, Mr. Know-It-All with the witty one-liners, some of us actually do care about Dave Kushner.  Velvet Revolver certainly does.  They say he's their secret weapon, and I believe it.  Like Sorum, the guy has played in a ton of projects in his day and is well-respected by his peers; you know, the people whose opinions actually matter.  He certainly doesn't need to go into telemarketing, although the writer may be looking for a career in that field somewhere down the line.  He's not going to go very far in life writing this sort of uninformed, smart-assed drivel (at least I hope not).

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Axl still rules: Sure, he's a weirdo hermit who hasn't released an album in ten years, but at least he's kept busy in the studio and (mostly) avoided public humiliation. The running joke is that there will be democracy in China long before there is Chinese Democracy, the working title of Rose's long-delayed opus. But it might be worth the wait. Tracks from the Democracy sessions have been floating online for years, including songs such as "Best of Me," which are among the vocalist's finest to date. If the reclusive Rose can get his shit together long enough to release Democracy and complete a tour, he could regain his status as a rock god -- and leave Velvet Revolver dead and bloated.

Ha ha, "dead and bloated," yet another oh-so witty pun.  What the hell is "Best of Me"?  Did any sort of research or thought go into this article?  Well, no, obviously not.  What a total asswipe; maybe he ought to try stand-up comedy.


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: norway on May 19, 2004, 05:27:15 AM
To the ones who wondering. Best of me sounds like a play in word.
It's not "best of gnr" cause the writer think gnr was "the fabulos five". I belive the writer refers to the other songs (madagsacar, blues chinese, worms, god) going around on sites and and call it the best of me or whatever. (he's axl in third person)  ;)


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: jarmo on May 19, 2004, 11:36:11 AM
Matt Sorum is a terrific drummer who was a perfect fit for GNR when Adler was too messed-up to carry on.  For that matter, I don't remember him ever being invovled with Mr. Big - say what you will, but they were a group of well-respected virtuoso musicians, and were very successful, so maybe this writer shouldn't be laughing so hard - and he never appeared on the Snakepit record, backing out of the project before it was recorded.
 

Slash's Snakepit: It's Five O'Clock Somewhere (1995)
Matt Sorum: Drums

His picture is even in the booklet.....

The intro to "You Could Be Mine" alone, come on!

Was written by Duff.

I haven't watched the GN'R special from Greece 1993 in years, but I think he said Duff wrote the drum intro before they played the video.



/jarmo


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: Will on May 19, 2004, 11:55:38 AM
The mere fact that this article is not a bash-fest against Axl and the new GN'R is kinda refreshing I think (remember the reviews on the 2002 US tour).
The guy might be a little harsh sometimes though, but he has a few good points. I thought what Weiland said about the Maxim (or was it Blender) journalist was kinda lame too: "I'm gonna get maniac on your ass"?! What the fuck is that supposed to mean? The guy gave the album 4 stars out of 5, for fuck's sake!

Overall it was a funny article I think, despite a few cheap shots...

Btw, has 5 O' Clock really been certified gold? In the US only or worldwide? Does anyone have the exact figures??


Title: Re:another axl mention in a VR article
Post by: SunKing278 on May 20, 2004, 03:03:18 AM
Matt Sorum is a terrific drummer who was a perfect fit for GNR when Adler was too messed-up to carry on.  For that matter, I don't remember him ever being invovled with Mr. Big - say what you will, but they were a group of well-respected virtuoso musicians, and were very successful, so maybe this writer shouldn't be laughing so hard - and he never appeared on the Snakepit record, backing out of the project before it was recorded.
 

Slash's Snakepit: It's Five O'Clock Somewhere (1995)
Matt Sorum: Drums

His picture is even in the booklet.....

Oops, my bad.  I haven't seen my copy of that record in probably years, but you're right.