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Title: Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: alternativemonkey on May 15, 2004, 10:07:38 PM
WARNING: This Post contains a Rumor that I am starting . .  but with sources and then my own deductions

Richard Fortus Found: Part I
Another thread asked, "Where is Richard Fortus?" I've found him, but I thought what I unearthed was worthy of another thread . . . and discussion given there is little to speak of . .

Contrary to belief, Richard plays in a hard-core rock band called "Pisser" in NYC to rave reviews www.pisserband.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi?n=/press (http://www.pisserband.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi?n=/press)) He is teamed up with Anthony Esposito (ex-Lynch Mob) on bass which leads me to . . .

Tommy Stinson Lost: Part II?
Anthony Esposito goes by the username "Pure13" on the George Lynch Message Board and signs his posts "Ant". Recently (5/8/04), he is quoted as saying the following:
"i have been recently asked to play in a major, major band and will keep you guys posted on updates when finalized.
hopefully i will get to see you again on the road sometime after the summer."

p210.ezboard.com/fgeorgelynchmessageboard52219frm50.showMessage?topicID=117.topic (http://p210.ezboard.com/fgeorgelynchmessageboard52219frm50.showMessage?topicID=117.topic)

It is not unreasonable to think that Richard might have recruited Anthony into GNR. It would be "major,major". Of course this could just be a crazy idea, but it really seems that some of the new GNR members are beginning to move on to other things as evidenced by Tommy's solo album. Tommy would probably be prohibited from saying he left (he seemed pretty distant from GNR in his last quote ex. "when they call me". If this were true, it would be another GNR PR disaster.

If nothing else, maybe Mysteron will come back to dispel this . . . Something to keep your Saturday night interesting. . .



I highly recommmend Lynch Mob - REvolution. Check it out!


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Burt Cokain on May 15, 2004, 10:26:38 PM
Why would tommy stinson leave now?
Assuming Axl is lying when he said in the Rio Press Release that he hopes to release an album release date in the next few months (maybe he does hope but he also hopes to levitate) why would tommy leave? He has nothing on his plate- a tour supporting his new album is a drop in the ocean, he is releasing this album for personal pleasure and not expecting or believing it will be a commercial success. He recorded it at the expense of a favour from black francis and the fact that Sean Beaven was involved in the Producing and Sanctuary or geffen or whoever (someone axl related i seem to remember) are releasing it suggests that Axl pulled strings too.
His only possible commitments could be a tour to support his new album and he can cancel that at a call from axl because its small fish. I think your jumping to a logical but wrong conclusion. Tommy will make more money and pretty much to get to do what he wants on axl's roster that on his own, why move mr stinson? If i were mr stinson i would stick right where i was, thankyou.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: SOH on May 15, 2004, 10:28:24 PM
Maybe now that Buckethead left, Axl's going with two guitarists and two bassists instead of three and one.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Slashly on May 15, 2004, 10:46:54 PM
Maybe now that Buckethead left, Axl's going with two guitarists and two bassists instead of three and one.
He He!No, Axl can?t be so damn crazy to do that


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: HoldenCaulfield on May 15, 2004, 11:03:17 PM
Tommy has been too committed to this project to walk away. I don't believe he was referring to GNR.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: NickNasty on May 16, 2004, 12:03:42 AM
If Tommy were out, I beleive he just come out and say it...he's been around longer than anybody (except Finck and Dizzy), and hasn't backed out...but who knows? If he is out, he is....This is the Axl Rose show now, we all know it, if the players are capable, then who cares (unless of course, it means re-recording CD for the umpteenth time)?


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: geographicaloddity on May 16, 2004, 01:57:03 AM
tommy is not going anywhere


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Fuckin' Gunner on May 16, 2004, 02:00:22 AM
If you want to mention quotes, you should put this one too:

As for Chinese Democracy, the mirage of an album Gn'R has been working on for nearly a decade, Stinson is fairly tight-lipped. "All I can say right now is the record is going to come out sometime sooner than later," he says, "and I will tour with them when they call me to do so."


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Izzy on May 16, 2004, 07:09:59 AM
Maybe now that Buckethead left, Axl's going with two guitarists and two bassists instead of three and one.

 :hihi:

Now that would be insane!

3 Keyboard players plus 2 bassists - that would be pretty revolutionary!


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Where is Hassan Nasrallah ? on May 16, 2004, 07:22:03 AM
2 bass player ?
is that possible ?
would that sound awful ?
 ;D


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: AdZ on May 16, 2004, 08:40:30 AM
Tommy wouldn't leave now his solo albums out.  Axl probably set up that deal for him with Sanctuary records! (Like he was gonna do with Buckethead) That fact that Sean Beavan is executive producer kinda confirms it.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: delvis on May 16, 2004, 11:12:46 AM
Why do some of you here believe that Axl set up Tommy's record deal?  I think you will see when his record comes out that he doesn't neen Axl to score him a record deal.  Why do you assume that somebody is doing Tommy a favor? least of all Axl, who can't even do shit for himself or his fans.  I think Tommy, who as the bassist for The Replacements, has established himself enough to get himself a record deal.  Its a bit easier that you think,  he's a great musiciaon and songwriter, and that is why Tommy has a deal.  It definitely helps that he is a member of GNR but for fuck sakes, give the guy some credit, and for the love of Christ, stop giving Axl credit for this.

Delvis


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: estranged.1098 on May 16, 2004, 11:34:48 AM
People belive Axl helped him get a deal because he wasn't doing very well before joining GN'R, the deal is with Sanctuary Records and Axl said he was doing that for BH. I don't think Tommy was doing much better than BH.

And the other guy, just because he's a bass player doesn't mean he can't play the guitar. Duff played guitar after he left GNR.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Dave_Rose on May 16, 2004, 12:05:20 PM
I dont think Tommy is going any where, from what he said basically is to stayed tuned for the next few months will get some GN'R activity but we can only wait.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: 2NaFish on May 16, 2004, 01:26:38 PM
People belive Axl helped him get a deal because he wasn't doing very well before joining GN'R, the deal is with Sanctuary Records and Axl said he was doing that for BH. I don't think Tommy was doing much better than BH.

And the other guy, just because he's a bass player doesn't mean he can't play the guitar. Duff played guitar after he left GNR.


Tommy's not a better musician than Bucket - but The Replacement's were far bigger, and there fans more devoted than Buckethead is.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on May 16, 2004, 03:01:25 PM
Pure13? Dont you remember Pure from a few years ago? He was a bullshit artists and even admited to lying on gnr boards.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: RnT on May 16, 2004, 06:24:51 PM
Pure13? Dont you remember Pure from a few years ago? He was a bullshit artists and even admited to lying on gnr boards.

"even admited to lying on gnr boards"
I don?t remember that , dude... can you explain me?


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: ClintroN on May 16, 2004, 10:19:48 PM
Not this shit again...
you read the mans last statement, just fuckin' leave it.
HE'S STILL A  GUNNER!!!


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Guns N Ballz on May 17, 2004, 02:10:09 AM
tommy is not going anywhere

I couldn't see Tommy going any where. Right up there with Dizzy. Hell, out of all the guys I would have expected Bucket to leave first. He was great (is great!) but he seemed out of place.

I hope Richard stays around too. He put out a lot of energy live! Though I'll admit I woulnd't be overly heart broken if he went. It'd suck though.

All we need is Axl, Dizzy, Tommy and Robin to stay. The others can be replaced right? I don't think many people have gotten to attached to Brain. Hell we never hear from him. Never a mention of him and GNR really.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: matt88 on May 17, 2004, 10:57:47 AM
Tommy's been in 7 years, and he looks like he's having a blast on stage, if he left he would make it public, i'm pretty sure he would, he's not so secretive over his status


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: John Daniels on May 17, 2004, 11:55:53 AM
Maybe now that Buckethead left, Axl's going with two guitarists and two bassists instead of three and one.

 :hihi:

Now that would be insane!

3 Keyboard players plus 2 bassists - that would be pretty revolutionary!


or now when it didn't work out with 3 guitarists, he will try out with 3 bassists and 1 guitarist.


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: ibelieveinaxl on May 17, 2004, 08:03:49 PM
Richard is NOT in this Pisser band. Just see for yourself at pisserband.com....go to bio ...hes not listed, plus got to the pics...none of richard....id lock this ....


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: Captain P?l on May 18, 2004, 02:53:35 AM
a band called 12monkey's or monkey head or something with monkey got 2 bassist. one "rythm"/normal bassist and one lead bassist.... it would be like when claypool plays a solo, only with bass in the background too..... not messy..

wouldnt it be kickass if Brain brought in Claypool? that would rule!


BASS TO THE PEOPLE!!


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: ccorn69 on May 18, 2004, 04:12:43 AM
i hate these rumors, tommy just made  a statement that confirms he is still in guns if he wasny he would have said so.  stop kicking up bullshit rumors man please.


peace :peace:


Title: Re:Richard Fortus Found, Tommy Stinson Lost?
Post by: AdZ on May 18, 2004, 12:30:02 PM
Richard is NOT in this Pisser band. Just see for yourself at pisserband.com....go to bio ...hes not listed, plus got to the pics...none of richard....id lock this ....

"The musical repast is a perfect blend of Eric J (vocals and rhythm guitar), Anthony Esposito (bass), Frank Ferrer (drums) and on lead guitar, Mr. Richard Fortus. This four-man combination?could have stolen the show with the lights out. "

They even gave the source in the first post.