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I thought this was an interesting read.
Credit the gnrbar....

Rating: 75%
Band: Velvet Revolver
Song: Slither


Velvet Revolver slither in

Album: Contraband
Release date: Summer 2004


It would have been too cheesy to use a headline mixing wording from the bands Guns N' Roses and Stone Temple Pilots. Because that's what you can expect from the majority of the rest of the media in the next couple of months as new superband Velvet Revolver hope to invade rock radio, MTV and VH1.

The name itself [Velvet Revolver] is already cheesy anyway.

Yet another celebrity star band on paper, in the vein of A Perfect Circle, 'Revolver' is compromised of guitarist Dave Kushner, lead singer Scott Weiland (ex-STP) and features the grand trilogy of former GNR fame, Matt Sorum (drums), Duff McKagan (bass) and that bluesy, Les Paul-swinging living legend, Slash (guitars).

New listeners and/or fans of these artists in their old lineups will likewise also first and foremost just await clarity: Is this a one-off or a 'band' that plans on making music and touring with purpose? Allegedly, 'Revolver' mean business.

Slither, their first single, is pretty good.

Before you can say "no WMD in Iraq" it becomes apparent that the creative output of joining the groovy and psychedelic pop-indie version of Led Zep that was STP at their best, with the hard-nosed, daring and pounding rock and roll of GNR, is a winner. At first.

Slash serves up a trademark original and cool riff that drives the tight and funky pocket courtesy of McKagan and Sorum, while Weiland sticks to his guns (yeah, I know) in vocally surfing the music like he did in STP. A great track, really, for a throwback. The solo alone (pure Slash) is killer.

Naturally, the greatest test and comparison of 'Revolver' and Slither is to measure it against one Axl Rose and his new version of GNR. Since Rose has no new material out yet (amazing) we have to let that one rest. Okay, c'mom, let's get real: We've all heard 'Madagascar' (much bootlegged live track from the forbidden GNR album, 'Chinese Democracy') and it alone reaffirms why Rose was so important. Scorching, soul-searching and poetic rock music wrapped in a majestic melodic cloth that burns itself to the skin. Slither is hardly that.

Weiland, who wrote the lyrics, is fair game in that sense. "Always keep me under finger, that's the spot where you might linger, but I see sometime the pleasure in my mind," Scott struts like a peacock on dope (alas, pun intended) and we then might just imagine Rose smiling from somewhere within his white mansion in the Malibu hills. Lyrically or vocally, Scott Weiland is no Axl Rose.

To further compare the two camps, producer Bob Ezrin (Pink Floyd) had done Slither with 'Revolver' before the band chose to re-record it with Josh Abraham instead. Ezrin is said to be working on 'Democracy' with Rose.

On the upside, Slither is undeniably catchy and offers some bare-bones adult rock n' roll that is definately missing from the scene today. Whether the album maintains that standard and whether this band has a future (never forget Slash's two poor SnakePit albums with shifting lineups) depends on - yes - sales.

That's a bummer because they do rock. Name and all.

Bill Oxly
ROX OFF


The thread at the GN'R Bar can be read here (http://p087.ezboard.com/fgunsnroses14385thegnrbar.showMessage?topicID=20573.topic).

Edit: Added additional info such as the source to the post. /jarmo

not really the most even comparison of songs, but still interesting to see a review that has what everyone wants to see.

Are we sure he isn't mixing up Slither with Set me free?

Its an unfair comparison as already stated. How about just reviewing the damn song without having to judge it against Axl's new material, which still hasn't been heard in a final studio version.

What pisses me off is that the reviewer makes a point to state that he didn't use a cheesy headline combining the two bands because everyone else will be doing it. Yet he jumps right into comparing Velvet Revolver with GnR just like everyone else will be doing.  :rant: Then again maybe its just me.

I'm getting sich of these Axl and Scott comparisons... Axl is Axl and Scott is Scott! They're 2 different persons!!!

Who is the author of the review?  It is common courtesy to post that information...

Unless of course it was written by some random guy at gnrbar.

well I don't think it is fare to compare Axl Rose and scott weiland. Axl is a Rock legend, scott isn't. ok this is the truth, and even Scott recognizes that. But the media shouldn't say something like that everywhere. It's not cool for Scott.

 ???

Where is this review from?  Im guessing its just a post from another GNR message board, because it just looks like the typical die-hard Axl fan rhetotic thats posted on here all the time.  Its obvious they just used "Slither" as an excuse to review "Madagascar"... :confused:

If the writer had any sense, they would at least compare "Slither" to new GNRs rocker, "Chinese Democracy".

Maybe it's younggunner - the budding journalist.  But he's too modest to post the authorship  ;)

While it does appear this person had an agenda to work Axl into this review as much as possible, at least he appears to actually have heard the song before making a review.  Much more than I can say for alot of reviewers in the magazine industry these days.

I agree with you but I think that VR brought this upon themselves in their interviews.

Why are  you all getting so pissy now that the VR comparasions to Axl are not favorable to VR? You know damn well if the review was bashing axl you would all be loving it.

 ::)

The reviews for the VR album have been average at best.  The album is just not going to be that good.  And its great that a live version of madagascar is better than the first studio single by VR   :rofl:

So it is a message board post...

you're wrong, the reviews for contraband have been very good.

and liking a song better than another is an OPINION! not a fact.

it's hilarious that you have your opinion on contraband made up already. it shows how close-minded you truly are.

and comparing a live version to a studio version is sooooooooo ridiculous. so we'll start comparing songs as soon as axl's album comes out....  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes, because no member of the media has ever compared a member of the new gn'r to the old band. Ever.

Dave-

I would love to hear where these average reviews are coming from, because every major outlet I have read that talks about Contraband has been more than favorable. This "supposed" review of Slither is a farce written by some New GNR fan with way too much time on their hands because there is nothing to get excited about with New GNR and they want to try and tear down the buzz and excitement growing with VR. It's fine though, in another 3 weeks will be listening to Contraband while the Axl-blinded new GNR fans go to bed with visions of "Chinese Democracy Starts Now!!!!" dancing in their head.


We should all just embrace both bands and enjoy the ride because VR is on a role right now and I think they are going to be wildly successful if the early results are any indication of things to come. It is possible to love both bands, I know I do.

I think you missed my point.

It's not.

Imagine, some journalist prefers a live version of a new GN'R track to VR's first single. The horror! What is the world coming to?

 ::)

Get used to the idea that not every journalist will think VR is the saviour of rock n' roll as the majority of the VR fans seem to think.

He clearly states how he prefers Axl's lyrics to Scott's. You think he's the only one?


/jarmo

Can we get a link or verification of where this came from at least because I would like to know what magazine/website it came from. Can you get that Jarmo....????

Agree. Compare You Got No Right or (maybe later) You Got No Right with Madagascar, that would be more fair. But Madagascar is a great song, I really like it, however maybe too long for the number of music ideas they used - anyway it's a damned good song. But neither Slither is a really complex song, but it rocks. Two good songs, but I don't feel that any of them would be a song to remember in ten years.

classic guitar mag gave it a 3/5 that is average.
Its the same as a 6/10.
Read the review and you will see what I am talking about.

And the only thing I have made my mind up about are the VR songs I have heard this far, and they are nothing special at all.

My second You Got No Right means Fall To Pieces  :)

Here is another thing to think about.

Most gnr fans on these boards that have downloaded madagdascar are still listening to it to this day and we first heard the song in 2001 at RIR
now you really think if we got a live bootleg of slither back in 2001 and if contraband still wasnt out 3 years later that people would still be listening to it?
I hightly doubt it.

Well.....If VR were still pretending to be a band three years from now with only a few boots to show for their efforts of course people would still be listening to it if there were enough brain washed into thinking they were still actually going to hear a new album even 3 and half years later. That is what diehard fans do. So no, that doesn't surprise me one bit. Thankfully we won't have to worry about this scenario though as Contraband is only 3 weeks away.  

The point is, no matter how long Axl takes people are still going to buy his album and want to hear it, but if VR took 3 years or longer they would be forgotten.
The only thing is, most times the first single is supposted to be one of the stronger tracks on the album, if this holds true then VR is in big trouble.

BTW why is it now that is bad that Axl is  being mentioned in a VR article when before it was ok? Is it now because Axl is being shown in a good light and before when Axl was mentioned it was digs on axl?

Thats not accurate at all.....the only people really waiting tooth and nail on the new GNR album are the fans on this board. If VR were taking their sweet old time there would be a board of people waiting for them too. And they would be just as brain washed as we are. That's the nature of being a hardcore fan. You should know more than anyone as you would lay down in front of a bus for Axl that when you really believe in something you will wait till the end of time for it. There are some people who did/do feel that way about VR as well regardless of how hard it is to believe. It is just hard to guage that given VR did not make their fans wait years on end to deliver an album and leave their certain internet fans promising people on boards that the album would absolutely be out by a certain date leading them to want to make bets with other posters about it only to look ridiculous when that date came and went and years continued to pass by. Thankfully the men of VR have delivered for their fans so we don't have to worry about this.

The only thing VR are going to deliver, judging from their first few songs is a mediocre album.
Its one thing to make an album in  a few months, its another to have it be good.
Look at how quick the snakepit albums were made, they were awful.

very good point.

its always okay to talk shit about Axl...
its the cool thing to do or whatever

Axl fans are always taking shit for being Axl fans...
whatever!

I fuckin' hate Slash and Duff now anyway so I could give a shit if they put out a song that raised the dead.
Fuck them.  I'm glad to hear someone giving Axl credit for his talent

so excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me for gloating!

we Axl fans get so little in the press to cheer us up...
lemme enjoy this.
Thanks for posting it.
 :peace:

Im sorry, but the inane, arbitrary nature of the review coupled with its poor spelling ("'Revolver' is compromised of guitarist Dave Kushner...") and awful grammar ("New listeners and/or fans of these artists in their old lineups will likewise also first and foremost just await clarity: Is this a one-off or a 'band' that plans on making music and touring with purpose? Allegedly, 'Revolver' mean business."  ???) led me to believe theres no way this thing was written by a professional.  And I still cant find a source...


Right...because I question the source of this review, this obviously must be the reason.  ::)

The review is bad for a lot of reasons, none of which being the reviewers failure to recognize VR as rock saviours.  Come on, Jarmo...what kind of foolish presumption is that?


Then he should write an essay on that subject, instead of using "Slither" as an excuse to profess his love for Axl under the guise of a "review".

"Before you can say "no WMD in Iraq" it becomes apparent that the creative output of joining the groovy and psychedelic pop-indie version of Led Zep that was STP at their best, with the hard-nosed, daring and pounding rock and roll of GNR, is a winner. At first. "

I had to read this 3 times before realizing what he was trying to say.  This is clearly the writing of an amateur, which is I believed it to be a message board post.  Another hint is the assumption that "weve all heard 'Madagascar' (much bootlegged live track from the forbidden GNR album, 'Chinese Democracy')..."  Um, unless hes writing to an audience of GNR message board members, no "we" havent.  He then compares two songs that have absolutely nothing in common.  If he had compared "Slither" to "Chinese Democracy," or even "Rhiad," it might make a little sense.  Comparing "Slither" to "Madagascar" is completely arbitrary.

These are two consecutive sentences: "Slither is hardly that.

Weiland, who wrote the lyrics, is fair game in that sense."

Fair game in what sense?  

"...and we then might just imagine Rose smiling..."  Yes, we then might just.  The writing here is actually worse than that of the typical message board post.  But if you can actually tell us where this review came from, it would be appreciated.

And we all know how magazine/newspaper reviews end with URL links to audio/video sites.  ::)


Thats one review...I could have swore you said "reviews," plural.  I must be imagining things...

Oh thats right.  The one other review of Contraband, in Maxim, got 4 stars out of 5 and "Album of the Month".  You might want to edit your post to correct it.

Appetite took a couple of weeks to record. Time is not the issue if you catch the lightning in a bottle. The Snakepit albums were mediocre at best, but they also didn't have Slash, Duff, Matt and Scott working on them. They all seem to be refreshed and rejuvenated, and I am expecting a solid rock album.

If your definition of a stellar album is overbloated 9 minute songs with billions of samples and symphony orchestras, then VR is not your band. Slash and those guys never liked playing those types of songs in the first place, so why would they write and put those on their album. There is a segment of GNR fans who hate the big GNR ballads, and they will probably be more apt to like VR. The whole concept of what is and isn't a good song/album is too subjective as each person likes different stuff. Axl loves huge production, Slash likes raw stuff. Naturally, when you hear an Axl album you will hear tons of production and when you hear VR stuff, it will sound more raw. That is just the difference between the two bands, doesn't make one better than the other, just a differnece in musical philosophy.

wow, i didnt realize that it would go to 2 pgs already. You people are hot stuff...

Godforbid a journalists takes gnr's side over vr, or just simply say that Maddy is an excellent song. He must be on drungs or soemthing. Its funny how everyone gets so worked up when Vr gets critisized. I cant stop laughing.

Anyways, unfortunately I didnt write that. Im not sure where it originates from but its from some sort of media outlet not a fan.

Its funny how you all think VR is the savior to rnr. Its funny how the band has to keep telling everyone about this at all of their concerts. Just shut up and do it, be it. DOnt talk about it. Its starting to get annoying. Yea we know your all about being grimy, badass,simple rnr...now do it. Now give us a song that meets that.

Slither is none of that. Its a catchy song. Thats about it. Not inspiring in any way. Nor is it grimy.

Anyways thanks for ammusing me

Maybe the review wasn't written in English to begin with? Ever thought of that?

I'm having flashbacks to 2002 when some fans were kinda upset over some of the negative reviews the gigs got....  :hihi:



/jarmo

Um booker Maxim mag ? Last time I checked that was not a music mag now is it?
Hell they gave LPs last album 4/5 and that album was awful

Then why dont you tell us the source, that way we wont have to guess?


You just dont get it...as usual.

Two good songs, but I don't feel that any of them would be a song to remember in ten years.

'Madagascar' is the kind of song that will stick with a lot of people for a lifetime. And I think it's quite fair to compare the two. You don't necessarily have to compare they styles of the songs (tempo, speed, etc.), just the lyrical and musical content, and which is the overall better song. 'Madagascar' is lightyears ahead of 'Slither'.

No, when I think of Axl, I think of the whole ball of wax. Production, rawness etc. I just dont think of 1 thing. Thats what makes him great. Look at appetite then the illusons. Axl is best at both. The biggest misconception is that Axl doesnt like basic rnr. In terms of presenting it he doesnt do it in a basic way but his roots are rnr.

BTW, what is so raw about slither and or smf?


 hat is just the difference between the two bands, doesn't make one better than the other, just a differnece in musical philosophy. I agree

Booker you need a life dude. Just because the journalist isnt the best of writers doesnt mean dick. ALl he is doing is stating his opinion. You can agree or disagree, but dont be a lil bitch about it. I know you arent used to VR getting non favorable reviews but you might wanna get used to it. You will. If you need help, ill help ya out....gnr never gets fair reviews.


Its not how they start its where they finish

Um hes not comparing style of songs...hes just comparing lyrics. All he said was that Scott doesnt hold a candle to Axl when it comes to writing a song. Nothing more nothing less.

Why don't you go and ask the guy who posted it at the GN'R bar? I even linked to the original thread.

You're assuming things like it's bad grammar, I'm assuming it might be translated from another language.



/jarmo

I said that was the only other review...and it was enthusiastic.  Which, in effect, disproves your comment about "average reviews".  Unless you can share some more with us, its one (1) average review.

How is madagascar overbloated? If anything is overbloated its slashs face and beer belly. And if slash hates ballads then whey are there some on the VR album that are being compared to nov rain?

I am just curious where the beatles overbloated because they liked puttin all that suff in there songs?

It was also played at the 2002 MTV Video Music Awards. A hell of a lot more people watch that than there are people on GNR message boards.

You were so quick to shoot down the possibility that its a message board post that I figured you had to know something about its origin.  Instead you linked me to...a message board.  ;D


 :confused:

Thats not an assumption...



2 or 3 minutes of it was played on the VMAs, and the author made no reference to it.  He did however make reference to bootlegs, which only proves my initial point.

Booker a lot of people have heard magascar that dont go to the boards, get real.
The song and other new gnr songs were all over kaaza and other web sites.
So any casual gnr fans just has to go to kaaza and type in new gnr and there ya go madagascar pops up.

Dont play dumb and pretent that only people on these message boards have heard the song, bc at the show in boston back in 2002 a few people that dont go to any gnr message boards said they DLd the songs from RIR.

Im willing to bet right after the VMAs gnr fans that saw gnr play the first part of madagascar when right to their computers and DLd the song.

Booker, you're beating a dead horse. Face it: the guy, journalist or not, said he prefered 'Madagascar' to 'Slither', end of story. Don't turn it into something it's not.

Right. He said bootlegs. He didn't say concert bootlegs. Things recorded off of the radio or TV and passed around for free are also considered bootlegs.

Well Maddy is going on like 4 yrs now. And still going strong.

SMF was played a lot when it first came out becuase of the hype, but that song fell off the face of the planet. We shall see what happens to SLither.

Vr and Gnr will always get the initial hype and buzz. If you go by that and think its success, your delusional. What will make each a success is album sales and if thier singles are played months/years after they are put out. Look at audioslave,APc,LP etc......

Dave,

True, the 1st Single off a record is supposed to be the strongest or "catchiest" song, but if it isn't, that does not necessarily mean that the album is going to suck. Take AudioSlave for example. When I first heard Cochise, AudioSlaves's 1st single, I really didn't like it. And radio did really like it either. It was played on the radio some, but then faded away. If you hear an AS song on the radio today, I bet it wont Cochise.

Now, applying your theory, the rest of the album should suck right? Wrong. All of the other songs released by AS (Like A Stone, I am the Highway, Show me How to Live, and What You Are), have gotten a lot of radio play and the album is extremely successful. You can't turn on the radio today without hearing one of those AS songs I mentioned. But notice that you never hear Cochise, their 1st single.

So, just because the 1st single isn?t good, it does not mean that then album is "in trouble" as you put it.

Ben

Really?  :o

I didnt know I was debating that...

What am I turning it into?  The review was obviously unprofessional and was an excuse to bring up Axl and "Madagascar".  The fact that he comments on "Slither"s merits at the very end of its own review, almost as an afterthought, kind of clues you in as to whats going on.    

That is not the case here in ny. Krock, the country biggest radio station plays it all the time along with all of audioslaves other singles.

An excuse to bring up Axl and madagascar? Are you serious? I know because every journalist out there has been reviewing maddy so much that they now need an excuse to bring it up. Every journalist out there has been sucking axls dick in their reviews.

Booker all the guy did was discuss that vr was a supergroup. He then brought up the comparison to gnr. The same way other VR reviews have mentions "Axls bothced up comeback". Everytime I read a vr review, they mention gnr. SO why are you bitching now. This time the jounralist actually talked about what was important, the music. Not how he looks or the freaks. But thats not allowed.

He said Scott isnt as good as Axl when it comes to lyrics. WHat is so hard to understand? I know its unfair and doesnt paint favor vr but um the truth hurts.

But whatver, there will be good reviews and bad reviews to come. Cant wai to hear the next journalism lesson you will provide....thanks bud

wow ive crack 1000 posts....dam time flys...

How can anybody not compare them??? And the comparison makes Scott look like a fuckin clown!!!

Booker answer me this.
Why was no vr fan complaining before when they were  bashing Axl in the VR reviews yet now some are showing axl in a better light and saying this song is not as good as madagascar is wrong?

It just goes to show how some VR fans are hypocrites.

This review just summizes the next 2 months of VR:

shitty reviews

no shows due to Scott falling off the wagon

Poor ticket sales

Shitty album sales

Clear Channel kicking them to the curb

VR fans finally realizing that Axl Rose is what truly makes the difference.

Place your bets people...........VR will be short lived. :peace:

Its posts like this that make me want to pull my hair out of my head.

Booker-  It doesn't matter whether the review was professional or done by an amateur. The guy stated his opinion that he like "Madagascar" better than "Slither". Why the fuck are you acting like its the end of the free world? Wow, the new GN'R got a good review for once, the locusts can't be too far behind now, can they?  :confused:

I agree with what some others have said. If that was a 100% positive review for Velvet Revolver, and GN'R got roasted, then you'd be all for it, no problem. Whatever you have against the new band must really be something, because its singlehandedly making you one of the most negative people I've ever encountered, online or elsewhere. We tolerate YOUR opinions around here, so I think its time you returned the favor and tolerate someone else's opinions as well. This goes for Naubis too.

Just some advice.

-Jeff

Well, obviously, they werent negative (toward VR) for starters.  

No other review has made Axl the focal point, and done it in such a blatantly arbitrary manner.

Its assumed that you mean professional reviews, of course, which this obviously isnt.


Speaking of hypocrisy, wasnty it you who claimed that I simply cant understand that my opinion isnt fact, yet make posts such as



By the way, Im still waiting for those average reviews youve mentioned...Im beginning to think that there are none.  ;D

It is impossible that it won't happen. If CD ever get's released it will happen non stop.

Those are some strong predictions. Sound like you are kind of jelouse that VR is in the spotlight and about to release an an album while GNR has still to produce a new album after 10 + years. I for one think that VR will do really well.


I think it should be Axl who should realize that Slash, Duff & Izzy were the ones who "made the diffierence". I love the way you Axl fans love to give all of GNR's credit to Axl and none of it to the other guys in the band. I think its safe to say that GNR would not have been GNR without Slash, Duff, and Izzy.

Ben

And how have I done this?  I simply said it was a bad review and asked for a source...Every post I made after has been in response to anothers.  Its not like I started my post with "Its posts like this that make me want to pull my hair out of my head," in which case you might say Im overreacting... : ok:


You think thats my problem with the review...that GNR got a good review for once?  If so, youre clueless and should re-read my posts, because I dont like repeating myself ad-nauseum.


No.  If that article was formatted in the exact same way, giving a million reasons for why "Slither" is better than "Madagascar," my response would be the same.  It would still be totally amaterurish and instead of being an excuse to praise "Madagascar," it would be an excuse to bash it, and neither viewpoints belong in a review thatsd supposedly about "Slither".


And how exactly is this critique of my opinion different than the one I gave in this review...?  :confused:

My negativity about the new GNR is only a reflection of the negativity that the band brings...no album, cancelled tour, cancelled festival gig, almost zero updates, etc...When it comes to the actual music however, aside from "Silkworms," Ive liked pretty much everything.  So I guess "whatever I have against the new band" must not be that deep after all...

Bullshit. There would be people on these boards who would get angry at the guy for writing that. Then you would go on and say how we are axl loyalists tetc. SO please do us a favor and shut up dude.

He wasnt comparing songs. he was comparing lyrics and how a song like maddy shows teh reason why axl is a great songwriter.

wow, it's amazing how you VR fans just can't live with anyone saying anything positive about Axl and the new band. This guy liked Madagascar better, I do too. Instead of wasting your life trying to discredit this man's opinion, go back to your VR boots and take a masturbatory break. if some prefer axl's epic song to a throw away rock track, then live and let live. As some have said, it's truly amazing how some people here revel in the pot shots at axl's expense but when the tables are turned against Scott and Co, the rattlesnakes begin committing suicide. Get a Life, Mr. Booker. If you don't like them, then stop trying to convince others that they shouldn't like them either. Must be an ego thing like the little boy who can't play alone.

Because I know how to read. It even stated the name of the guy who wrote it.

Besides, what says that an Axl fan can't give a objective review of a VR song? If I wanted an opinion on "Slither", I wouldn't ask the world's biggest Slash fan for it. Because then it would be "the best song ever written".  :P



/jarmo

 :confused:


Ah, so its impossible for a message board poster to write an elaboate wannabe review and put there name at the bottom?  I see...Well Ive still yet to see any kind of source.  


Two paragraphs dedicated to the greatness of Axl and "Madagascar" in a review thats supposedly about "Slither".


Then the same would apply for a GNR song and Axl fans, right?  Because youre actually much more likely to get an overzealous response like that from some of the posters in this thread.

give it up dude.

Go ask the guy.

I don't care, it's just a little review..... I could write you a review about "Slither" so you could comment my grammar.  :hihi:



"Much more likely to get an overzealous response"? Are you saying Slash fans are more likely to write an objective review of VR than Axl fans are of the new GN'R?

I really hope, for your own sake, that you're not trying to tell me that. Because it would just be extremely stupid.



/jarmo

i love axl 10-1 over velvet revolver but slither is 5 times better than chinese democracy the song

come on slither is fuckin awesome!

scott is amazing!

he is no axl but then again who is?

scott hands down was the best choice for vocalists, its already a top 5 modern and mainstream rock single!

the song is awesome, lets top hating!

I think it should be Axl who should realize that Slash, Duff & Izzy were the ones who "made the diffierence". I love the way you Axl fans love to give all of GNR's credit to Axl and none of it to the other guys in the band. I think its safe to say that GNR would not have been GNR without Slash, Duff, and Izzy.



This is pretty acurate I'm afraid.

I tried to get tickets to the show in LV, but it sold out already. Compare to GnR 2 years back there were tickets almost until the show started.

Scalpers snatching them up or not (there was an 8 ticket max online) it still would mean the the scalpers knew that the demand was there for this band.....

And BTW: Even if Scott fell of the wagon...he'd still show up for the show!  :hihi:

like totally: ok:

slither is 5 times better than chinese democracy the song

I sincerely hope you're joking... :nervous:

I love the way things have come full circle here.

Usually Axl gets criticized, people on this board question the criticism, and then Booker goes on about how we're Axl lovers and should look at the cold hard fact of the matter that not everyone likes Axl and his new Guns N' Roses.

Suddenly someone prefers Axl's new stuff to VR, and Booker's off making posts left right and centre trying to pick holes in it.

Booker..... get used to the idea that not everyone likes VR more than Axl's new Guns N' Roses.

Man.... you're such a slash lover, you must be to question stuff like this  :P  :hihi:

@#$%Muther

I love the way things have come full circle here.
Usually Axl gets criticized... Suddenly someone prefers Axl's new stuff to VR... not everyone likes VR more than Axl's new Guns N' Roses.
 : ok: : ok:
Can you imagine what it's gonna be out once we get CD?!!  :hihi:

How is madagascar overbloated? If anything is overbloated its slashs face and beer belly
 :rofl: :rofl:

wow, it's amazing how you VR fans just can't live with anyone saying anything positive about Axl and the new band. This guy liked Madagascar better, I do too. Instead of wasting your life trying to discredit this man's opinion, go back to your VR boots and take a masturbatory break. if some prefer axl's epic song to a throw away rock track, then live and let live. As some have said, it's truly amazing how some people here revel in the pot shots at axl's expense but when the tables are turned against Scott and Co, the rattlesnakes begin committing suicide.

greatest thread ever  ;D

im with TiedHands here.i think CD the song is much better than Slither because i feel its much more structured and the riff is better.having said that slashs solo on slither is superior to CD's one

I dont care either.  I just recognize that some message board poster of small-time website reviewer wrote it and now Axl die-hards are going to every GNR forum posting it as if its some "real" review.  To me, its realyy no different than any one of us writing a review.



Im saying that theres no difference, and youre more likely to get such an overzealous, grandiose statement from some of the Axl fans on here.  Overzealous fans of anything can make a statement like that...however, Ive never seen anybody talk up a Snakepit song like Ive seen some on here talk about "Madagascar" or "The Blues".  


And I would say the same to you if you really believe the opposite.


Id ask you to point to an example., but I know you wont.  However, if youd like to, please feel free.

And Ill make this clear, because some people arent as bright as others:  My issue is not that they like new GNR or "Madagascar" better than VR or "Slither".  If you read my posts, youll see not one single pertaining to that fact.  Its that they make it the centerpiece to their "review" of "Slither" I took issue with.  I dont any being reviewed should be compared to another like that, especially two songs that have nothing to do with one another.  If somebody reviews "The Blues" and the centers that review around whether or not its better than a VR song - its still a bad review.

I don't know if that's necessarily a fair comparison, because the Snakepit albums were complete shit and unlikely to be talked up by anyone. Considering how much better "Set Me Free," "You Got No Right," and "Slither" are compared to the best of Snakepit, I think we can get a pretty good idea of how much of a mess it was putting those two albums together. The Velvet Revolver songs have been lyrically simplistic (no meaning beyond a literal level), but they work a lot better than the Snakepit albums which were essentially words thrown on top of Slash's guitar parts.

It seemed to me like Slash wanted to head closer to rocking out like Appetite, while Axl wanted to go in the direction of the Illusions albums with maybe a little more artistic merit and mainstream appeal. If that is the case, it's a simple ideologic difference (with neither side in the right or wrong) and I don't see why there needs to be so much hostility between the two sides on this board. In addition, the pure nature of this ideologic difference suggests Axl/Slash will have two different types of music therefore making comparisons a futile task.

 ::) Yeah chap.  That's it.

I am jealous of 2 heroin addicts (ex heroin addicts my ass) and a guy by the name of "Duff" who looks totally stupid some say he rode the 'short bus' while attending school.

You VR fans just can not accept that GNR will far prevail any attempts by ex members and the reason is???

GNR are not sell outs.

VR are sellouts.

Simple as that.

Hey Ben....why don't you go and join "Duff" for a drink being you carry the name of a famous alcoholic in hollywood. :-*

nice post. Now can you rationalize the lawsuit?



you see, you're doing it again. If this helps you sleep then so be it, Slash nutswinger.

Once again, the tempo of the songs or the type of songs werent being compared. The guy was saying the lyrics in maddy show why he is a great songwrite and the lyrics in slither show why writing lyrics isnt weilands best.

And just because he makes that the main point is review doesnt mean its shit. Hedecided to foucs on scotts lyrics. Whats wrong witht hat. Because he didnt go into the whole vr thing and talk about how badass they are? ts ok for there to be articles more on axls looks than an actual review ye when its vr its horrendous.

"Scorching, soul-searching and poetic rock music wrapped in a majestic melodic cloth that burns itself to the skin."

Regardless, the two songs shouldnt be compared at all.  Theres no reason for it.

If hes attempting to prove that Weilands werent his best, dont you think it would make a little more sense to compare them to Weilands better lyrics?  The only reason to bring up Axl, therefore turning him into the reviews focal point, is simply to demonstrate how much he likes Axl and "Madagascar".  And that would be fine if it were a comparative essay, but its supposed to be a review about "Slither".  And bringing up unrelated songs and explaining why theyre better is inappropriate, in any case.  


Like I said, thats great, even though I believe he misquoted them...if youre going to criticize, at least criticize the right thing - especially if you decide to quote them.  But bringing up an unrelated song is arbitrary.  Compare them to other Weiland lyrics, not Axls.Whats wrong witht hat.


If you still dont get it, after Ive explained myself so many times, youre a lost cause.


I havent seen an article that has done that yet...maybe youre referring to Maxims one sentence?  If so, Ive said before that it was a poor review for just that reason - it focused on shit that had nothing to do with the music.  Feel free to search for that thread and see for yourself.



Well, thats your opinion...



Theyve been talked up, but thats my point - never to that extent.  So if thats the case, then I believe Ive proved my point, that Slash fans dont wantonly label anything he does "the greatest song/album ever"...However Ive seen quite a few similarly overzealous statements about "Madagascar" and "The Blues".

slithers riff buries chinese democracys come on

dave playin it low slash comes in with his awesome lead higher up over top of it

name one new gnr song that has guitar playin like slither?

answer

none!

cmon guys, im one of the top 10 axl worshippers on the board

but i also give credit where credit is due

slither's riff destroys any playin by the new gnr guitarists and the solo is better than any new gnr solo

im sure fall to pieces guitar work is far superior to "the blues' and maddy's guitar work

im not sayin it will be a better song but im sure slash's guitar melodies are far superior to any of new gnrs

I love how people automatically accuse people of not being able to handle negative criticism towards Velvet Revolver just because they point out the flaws in this article. Maybe some of you are desperately trying to cling onto anything positive towards Axl's GNR that you are blinded to the flaws in this piece. It doesn't bother me in the least that someone may think Madgascar is better. That's perfectly fine with me because everyone has their preferences. However, I don't appreciate shoddy journalism.

If this review is legit (which I'm convinced it's not - we would have gotten a source by now), then I think the writer should think about a new career because he has no business in writing since this piece is terribly flawed. Not only does it contain grammatical mistakes and poor writing skills in general, but it's irresponsible to compare the two songs. First of all, the writer is wrong in assuming that everyone has heard Madagascar and I'm fairly certain any music journalist would know this. Madagascar is an unreleased track that can only be found on bootlegs. The only people who has heard it are us diehards that seek it out. The average person reading a review like this is totally clueless about Madgascar. Secondly, you don't compare a studio version of a song to a live version (unless they are the same song) of a song because the live version is likely a rough version. We have no clue as to what it finally will sound like or even make it onto Chinese Democracy. Most importantly, it's just silly to compare two totally different bands. The guy is completely wrong saying the greatest test is to measure it against the new GNR. It's comparing apples to oranges. If one is better that doesn't mean the other isn't good. A fairer and more accurate comparison would be to old GNR and even STP to see how these guys progressed (or not) from their glory days.

Wading through this thread of idiocy and obliviousness, I was actually taken aback by a post with so much sense...Good to see  : ok:

Ahhh, Booker Floyd saves me alot of time so i dont have to respond to idiots like Dave GNR2K, the guy who avoids points i've brought up coz he knews i'm right

I just dont get this hate Dave always has for any ex-GNR member, like Axl can do no thing wrong when theres so many cases & people WHO ACTUALLY KNOW HIM, who will tell you different

I'm a fan of Axl's but to denie his downfalls is just really weird for someone to do, its almost like Dave's obsessed with Axl & lives in this fairytale world that people outside of the few new GNR forums & sites around even care about Axl anymore

Hell most people I talk to dont even know what the hell he is doing at all, know nothing about the new band or the new (well now "old") cd. However, this week i was at TAFE in class & i was looking at a VR site, & immediately a few class mates i knew knew about it & were going to the listening party later this month.

Just because 1 magazine & 1 redicolous fan review says its shit doesnt mean no one else likes it. On the contrary from the feedback i've heard from people WHO ARE NOT BIG GNR/STP FANS who have heard the song on teh radio & they say they like it

I love Axl to & i like 4 of the 5 songs we've heard live from Chienese Democracy, but its been way too long, all the empty promises, I really doubt it will even come out.

You said it all, I can?t look to this article and see it?made by a journalist anymore...

And if it was a journalist, he would probably mention the Scott problems with drugs...  :smoking:

it doesn't matter who wrote it, it's an opinion anyway and i'm happy to see someone who appreciates madagascar.

Why not compare the two best songs, as far as we know are the best ones? You don't have to choose two songs of similiar style to make a fair comparison? Madagascar and slither aren't so far removed like disco and motown that they can't be place side to side and studied. Honestly, some of you VR fans need to chill out and take criticism better.

killingvector, I DO think Madagascar is great...

But "who wrote" makes difference. If I create a topic and say "My World is by far better than November Rain" will you get happy, supposing you hate NR?

Well you're right that it's an opinion either way, but music journalists hold more clout and some take their opinion as gospel.

Well, Madagascar being GNR's best is a matter of opinion because I certainly don't agree that one. I don't mind if fans compare the two songs because that's iexpected  but it's simply shoddy music journalism to compare two entirely unrelated songs from two different bands. Like I said, it's apples and oranges.

LOL

You seriously are putting stock in a report filed by Bill Oxly from Rox Of ? LOL

Any online critic is a badge seperated from one of us.

 I'm not putting stock into anything. I just know the difference between good writing and bad writing. I think those who are taking this as gospel are the ones putting too much stock into it. Or those who need need someone to say they like Madgascar so they can feel like their own opinion is validated. It's just an opinion piece to me. A poorly written one at that.

Ha, my point exactly. I remember taking issue with an OMG review which refered to the reviewers loathing of the GN'R version of Sympathy for the Devil. I said what the fuck does that have to do with OMG. It's totally irrelevant and had nothing to do with OMG.

You didn't take issue with that. Despite at least a couple of posts in that particular thread you didn't even mention it, or tell us how it makes it a bad review. Now it's something against VR, you can't stop going on about it.

@#$%Muther

Hehe we got the Booker show on again, how exciting!!!  

 Booker, i think its pretty clear to us all by now that you'll go any length to tear down a  review which reflects well on Axl and his music, you'd complain about the style, language, context or whatever to undermine the writers opinion. Its also very clear that your a die-hard Slash fanatic, a bitter fanatic whose head is too far up Slash's ass to accept any sort of criticism. The person who wrote the piece says that he prefers Madagascar to Slither, no type of grammar mistake you pick out will change that, so live with it. You are behaving like a big hypocrite always complaining about  people on this board defending and praising Axl, yet you do exactly the same with Slash but with a big difference, you do it in a GnR forum. You should also apologize for labelling people opinions in this thread as 'idiocy' just because they don't agree with you.

Says fukin who dude. WHy are you making this a project. ALL the guy did was compare lyrics from a new gnr songs to the lyrics of a vr song. He wasnt trying to show his favortism or any of that shit. His article was more about the lyrics and why axl is better becuase of songs like maddy. Theres no reason for you to analyze it anymore than that.
How many VR songs have we heard so far? He has prob only heard stm and slither. He is comparing vr to gnr. Not stp.
I really feel bad for you, i really do.
Im going to conatct all journalists from now on and tell them they must consult you before they write anything on gnr/vr.
You act like journalist try to bring up axl and praise him all the time. The guy never gets any positive press{whetehr you think he doesnt deserve it or not, not the point). To say that this journalist went out of his way just to bash vr is dumb. Maybe the guy thinks maddy shits all over slither. He happens to be right but thats his opinion. You dont hae to agree. But you also dont have to be a lil pussy about it. holy shit.

The songs might be unrelated but not what the guy was dicussing,lyrics. therefore the type of song is irreleavnt.

Dude theres been countless articles over the years that make fun of axl and the new band. Whether its reviewing the past tour or discussing vr, gnr always find itself in an article and there always getting ripped.

I love how people exploit non topic things such as how professional the article is. WHo the fuck cares. We arent discussing jounralism. We are discussing what the guy said. Plus no "Axl fan" disects an unfair negative article on gnr. They discuss whats being discussed. not dismiss it because of its errors or unprofessinilaism. who the fuck cares.

Well being that everything about new gnr is negative for the most part and so off base its not even funny theres an article that actually is positive for a change. Who cares about the flaws in the piece? WOw you peopel need a life.

Thats fine. but why make a big deal of the journalism who cares. We are not discussing journalism here.

Shoddy jounralism should be a surprise. Read about 95% of articles concerning gnr over the past few years and you will see it at its best. But no1 brings it up becase who cares and if some1 did they would be labeled an axl loyalist who cant take a negative review.

He wasnt comparing songs. He was discussing lyrics. Theres only a handful of new gnr songs and new vr songs out there. He said lyrics like maddy show why axl is a great songwriter and lyrics in slither show why weiland isnt. Nothing more nothing less.
How is he wrong for discussing an unreleased track. He giving his readers insight if they havnt heard it.
The studio to live thing is bullshit. WHat is so hard to understand baout this....HE ISNT COMPARING SONG STYLES. He is comparing lyrics. He doesnt even need to hear the song. Write the lyrics on paper if it makes u happy.
I know godfor bid we compare bands. I for the most part agree with what you said. But the comparison between vr and gnr will always come up. its only natural and something each band will have to deal with. Weiland is alreadys howing signs of cracking when it comes to this. Imagine when cd does come out and the comparisons are in every article. There will be a few more statements on that webiste of his ;D

There handling it just fine. Disecting articles and shit. pussies. Its ok when cd comes out its gonna shit all over all of you i cant wait. Then youll disect those reviews and tell me how they are obsessed with axl. while you do that ill be listening to the greatest cd ever made.

of course not. It blasted the new band unfairly and peopel who were offended got bashed for not being able to handle a negative review. How things come full circle. the funny thing is this wasnt a negative article...im sure they will come as we go though cant wait to hear those protests....

Thats been clear a long time ago. Booker seems liek the type of person who wants the cake and eat it too. he claims he lieks gnr yet i never see him go to any great lenghts to defend them. He might come out with some smart sentence here and there and try to appear objective but its such horseshit. I could careless either way. You give me a good laugh booker. i appreciate it

I feel sorry for you Younggunner. You are going to deny yourself even the chance of liking VRs music because of you blind loyalty to a man who delivers very little :peace:

Like many of you here...you have no clue what your talking about. I like vr. STP has been one of my favorite bands and I liek slash. I like slither. I thinks its a good song. Vr is my appetizer to the main course. They will keep many peopel occupied till the big boys are ready to come out and play.
Just because gnr is a better band and has more potential doesnt mean i dont liek vr. If i think liek that i would only like gnr and no other band. And that is not the case. I love music. all kinds.

And your so far off base that im prob goin to see vr when they come to ny. imagine that. gee golly. I might even bring my good friend buckethead to the show..i want him to meet slash..any1 feel like dancing?.. ;D

i have always said vr will rock but gnr will rock the world.

Strategical instead of personal? VR claims they want to get away from GN'R, but they're playing GN'R songs left and right. They would obviously benefit by having rights to the songs. These guys are professionals, they're not just going to go to court over a personal vendetta.

That is only because the venues VR are playin at have a capacity of (the biggest one) 3000 people.

I love VR (and I'm really beggining to like Scott) but to compare the ticket sales of these 2 tours is unfair.

GNR played in 10000 to 20000 capacity venues and VR play at 1300-3000 venues.

And if you're only talking about LV, how much did VR's tickets cost and how much did GNR's tickets cost?

There is a reason for this.
Its because gnr played arenas while VR are playing clubs.

If gnr played clubs then it would have been impossible to get tix.
Its not too hard to sell a few thousand seats in a club.

Slither's riff is awesome.. when I heard the start of the song I was blown away.. unfortunately as the song went on I was very disappointed.

Some of you act as if someone comparing Velvet Revolver to GNR is something new. It's not, and it will always happen. And it just so happens that almost everyone that has heard anything from either camp can clearly say GNR is more talented, lyrically and musically. The songs that are compared are irrelevant, it's what's behind the songs that they're comparing. He just basically said that had they stayed with Axl, they'd be doing a lot better being complimented by his talent, rather than Weiland's.

The reality of all this is when you hear VR on the radio who will you automatically think of?  

STONE TEMPLE PILOTS

Everyone will think that STP has a new album out.

On the other hand, Axl has one of the most recognizable voices in Rock.

I can guarantee you that GNR music will blow away any rendition of what "NEW STP" will have.

What Axl has in store for us is great.  It will make everyone forget all the bs and make everyone remember why Axl Rose defined Rock :smoking:

And VR will follow the footprints of snakepit and others....... :smoking:

I was just thinking about this with all the just wait for what Axl has in store for all of us talk, and it dawned on me.....what does he really have in store for us. I want to hear CD as bad as the next guy, but he is a 42 year old man not getting any younger who hasn't released an album in 10 years. Is it possible he is just so out of touch with reality right now that we will never see CD because for whatever reason he is just never going to finish it. I would argue he only has about a 3-4 year window at this point before he is too old to pull off any type of dramatic comeback as not many people are going to take a 46-7 year old man with a shell of his former voice very seriously. I just don't understand why the prime of his career has been piddled away with no releases or no nothing. The time is now for this to work......each day that passes knocks another day off of his vaibility because before long people will laugh at GNR the way they did later versions of Steven Tyler and Mic Jagger as an old men who can still somewhat rock but are nothing like what they used to be. I don't want that for Axl, but unless he gets it together soon we are heading for that territory. I mean 3 albums and 2-3 years of touring sounded great 5 years ago when Axl was 37, but at this point at 42 and only getting older his window of viability is getting smaller.

On the other hand, Axl has one of the most recognizable voices in Rock.

I can guarantee you that GNR music will blow away any rendition of what "NEW STP" will have.


EXACTLY! When someone hears 'Slither' on the radio, no one would ever be able to say "Hey, that sounds like GNR". But when they hear 'Madagascar' on the radio (one day), they'll say "Hey, that's GNR", all because Axl is the difference maker...

Do what??  Maddy is going strong.  Uh, yeah with the hundred or so diehard GNR fans here.  But what do you expect?  These are the same people who unanimously liked OMG.

I think Axl could take a shit on a box and people here would be all about that too.

This is the most disturbing post I've ever seen.

Someone needs to forward that article to Axl.  

Oh my goodness, VR didn't get praised as the saviours of rock in one article. Unacceptable! Time to question the author's credibility. 75% rating? This can't be! It must be a typo.

No! Its not fair to compare two singers who at some point were practically members of the same band! One is better than the other...so its not an even match!!  Poor VR, what did they ever do to get insulted like this! The world is against us!

Scott does not suck,he's a great singer. But compared to Axl,he's a fuckin zero! People keep saying not to compare,but that's impossible.
The conclusion: VR is a great rock band,Axl's band is Guns N' Roses!