Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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As for Chinese Democracy, the mirage of an album Gn'R has been working on for nearly a decade, Stinson is fairly tight-lipped. "All I can say right now is the record is going to come out sometime sooner than later," he says, "and I will tour with them when they call me to do so."

 ::)

Interesting.

Nice to see Tommy staying active.

I hate this bull shit......Why can't we just get a real answer about this fucking album

I was just about to post this.....Axl has the complete clampdown going now....no rumors...no chirping from bandmembers...nothing. Absolutely fucking unbelievable. Nobody believes he is going to release this record-at least no one outside the 2-3 remaining active Gnr sites. He has hit rock bottom-ground zero in public perception and confidence. Whatever advantage he had in regards to using the Gnr brand name has been completely erased.

sometime sooner than later   miner change?  :Phaha....

If hes touring this year then that makes me think - along with his vague release date statement - that we wont see CD this year, or at least not till the end part of it.

On Tommy's official website it says that he is on a break from Guns N' Roses till September, so whatever that means.

September of what year?  ;)



/jarmo

That's a reference to last summer's tour.
I can't believe it's been almost a year.
/Mike

I want a Stadium Tour! Come on Axl, let's do something huge before retiring.
A STADIUM WORLD TOUR : ok:

come on!

Another generic update that doesn't mean anything.  

Heh, fell for the same thing a month or a so ago  : ok:

"On Tommy's official website it says that he is on a break from Guns N' Roses till September, so whatever that means.
 
September of what year?  ;)"



Hey, I was just posting what it says on his website. I didnt know it hasnt been updated.

 

No big deal....they just haven't updated that portion in a REALLY long time.  But trying to keep people informed is a cool thing, so thanks for making the effort.
/Mike

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thats great news! at least we know he is still in GNR

remember the last time he went solo from gnr? werent they suppose to get back together in september?

what the fuck is it with sept?

9/16 is my birthday  ;D

Remember when Axl said in that press release, "we hope to announce a release date soon" ?  Well, I think that this lawsuit from Slash and Duff put a kink in that.

Oh well.  I am not worried.  It'll come out eventually and rock.

Kudos to Mr. Stinson.  I hope his tour makes it to Florida : ok:

I think that actually is from last year, probably hasn't been updated since. am I wrong/right?

is it just me or GNR news alWays sound the fuckin same ....  ::) ::) ::) :crying: :crying: :crying:

Just because YOU think that does not mean everyone does.
How has Axl hit rock bottom?  He has not lost anything. Most causal fans (non board fans I mean) dont even know what is going on and are not waiting for news on CD like the people on the boards.
GHs is selling very well and gnr are once again on heavy rotation on most radiostations.
So I dont see what you are talking about.
 Once Axl comes back again, he is will be huge again.
Just look at the VMAs they did  a few years back when for most people he came out of nowhere.
Axl got the biggest pop of the nite.
No matter what axl will always be huge and people good or bad will always be tallking about him and wondering wht he is going to do next.
ITs all apart of the legend that is Axl Rose.

It sounds like Stinson has no idea...

So Axl is stuck in another lawsuit and Tommy is gonna tour "throughout the next year". wtf?

And, btw, who was it that told us Tommys tour dates last year?

Ahm ... well, I'm just missing Mysteron. Didn't hear from him for too damn long.


/lastroots

Dave, just referring to the "mirage" of an album comment. It is mainly comments from the press like that and the constant jokes that I hear daily from radio dj's after playing Gnr tunes that leads me to believe the press and media have lost all faith in this record. Maybe not as much the record buying public who doesn't care either way. I don't give a shit what they think because nothing counts until the record is released. If it is good, it will sell. I have complete faith that it will be great, not just good. These comments just make me mad and Axl simply chooses not to defend himself.

Shocked nobody has commented anything on his second phrase" I will tour with them when they call me to do so" yep, they are really tight. This is a real band. ;)

As much as I want this album to hit the stores and as much as I want Axl to take it back from where he left it 10 years back, such statements by active members of the band piss me off. Feels like they are not a part of anything.

Who has?

I agree completely. This comment from GNR's conductor :P
Comments like these just show the level of tightness in the band.

So it's like saying that the "they" that he's referring to are more important than him, in the dicision making process...

At least now we know...

Fortus should grab this bull by the horns and get this show on the road. That's the press release I'm waiting for :D  

yep a real brotherhood. Id tour with them when they call me to do so too ;)

Are you surprised? GN'R is not functioning as a band for more than a decade. Axl sometimes call them to record, and that's it. I haven't seen any chemistry on the concerts of the Nu-GN'R - just some guys actually playing together. :(

Axl makes all the decisions-simple as that. He told you he was the sole boss in his press release in 2002-damn skippy! It also shows you that "taking our recording to another level" means Axl continues to tweak and twiddle with the record-not the rest of the band. Tommy sitting around waiting for a call.....

Wow news ::)

''All i can say is there may or may not be a person called Axl Rose and i may or may not be working with him on an album that may or may not come out.....''

i dont think anyone...

Talk about people pissed off for a guy's success...yes, it sucks that Tommy doesn't really know when CD is out, but this is nothing new. Personally I'm glad he and Dizzzy can go out and do things in the meantime to pursue their own goals. As for Axl being a joke, well, as someone else pointed out GH's sales prove that the man's legacy with or without CD is no joke. I'll applaud Tommy for chasing a little solo success while we wait  :peace:

Hummm.... ???who are they? :P  Plural.

not so wrong...

perfectly right
i always see axl as the crazy rich old scientist up in his fortress, and he's doing tests and research you know, and as he is rich and powerfull , he can make people work for him and all ..... scccaarrryyyy  ;D

No, it proves the legacy of Guns N Roses is no joke, not merely the legacy of Axl Rose.  It's photos of the original lineup in the GH booklet.

Axl Rose: Last time I talked to Bucket, he called to tell me he had bought a bootleg DVD off EBay and how proud he was to be in Guns and how impressed he was with everyone's performance. Then, in February we got word from Brain that Bucket had called him and said he was back in Guns!?

Tommy Stinson: "All I can say right now is the record is going to come out sometime sooner than later," he says, "and I will tour with them when they call me to do so."
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I get the sense that this "band" doesn't get together too often other than the telephone.

Perhaps, Axl doesn't realize that you  have to "physically" be in the studio to record a record.

I think this quote is from last year...

I love this, we now have a new catch phrase to rival "I don't know if soon is the word.."
"It'll come out sooner than later." :hihi:

Is there such a thing as 8,000 seat stadiums?  If so, then its sure to be a sell-out tour.

I appreciate Tommy attempting to give news, but I would have been just as good without it.  Also, I suggest that the title of this thread be modified a bit so as to not give anyone false hopes...I was expecting at least a month coming into this thread.  :(

u never fail booker....

what part of no album, no singles, no video do u not understand? When are you going to realize that all of the above has a huge impact on a fanbase, or potential fanbase. Till then i guess you can continue to cream your pants over your little theory....milkboy, save us milkboy

And then they call themselves impartial... and say everyone else is a sucker for Axl Rose.

If that's true, it's even worse.  Because if Tommy said "sooner rather than later" LAST YEAR, then he appears even more clueless than he would if he'd said it recently.



Indeed.   :D

Stinson plans to hit the road to support the new set, with New York rockers the Figgs serving as his backing band. Stinson says the tour will run "throughout the next year or so, as long as they can stand it."

Does he mean 2004 or '05?   Sounds like a long tour either way.

He looks cool in the photo.

Isn't anyone else here just tired of this bs.  Lets be realistic here people.  First of all I was at all the Vegas shows and back then we all thought it was coming out.  4 years later and nothing yet.  And on top of everything else Bucket left that can no way speed up the album.  Also the lawsuit going on now will only take more of Axls time and this lawsuit could go on forever if they don't work something out before going to court.  Whoever loses this case will just appeal it and have another court case.  I'm really starting to think that this album will never be released.  Seriously people think about it.  Theirs no way its coming out this year.  Anyone want to bet?

What theory is that?

Im just pointing out that its a little silly to talk about stadiums when the band struggled and failed to fill arenas.  If and when Chinese Democracy explodes and puts GNR at the top again, then we can bring up stadiums...

Never thought I would get to this poit, but... :'(

Mysteron,... please!!! :crying: :crying: :crying:

Axl please!!  :crying:

There's a callous on my brain where there used be the ability to get excited about these nothing comments from Tommy, Dizzy, et al regarding GNR and "the album". Over the last three years we must have gotten at 25-50 (between fan accounts at shows, asides in magazine interviews, and even Axl's own pronouncements at shows) of these cryptic statements, vaguely indicating that a release announcement is just around the corner.

when he says he will tour when "they" call him tells my tommy has no idea whats going on.but hey at least now we are getting sooner instead of soon

"All I can say right now is the record is going to come out sometime sooner than later"

Sometime sooner than later? What the hell does that mean? Seems like he jumbled his words there. Which one I don't know, but I think he was either saying:

  1) "Sometime sooner or later"- This is what I think he meant. I would take this as I have no fucking idea when it's coming, but it will come. May not be anytime in the next year or two, but it will come before the end of time.

  2) "Sometime sooner rather than later"- I doubt this is what he wanted to say, but this would mean CD will be here soon. Wishful thinking I know.

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Read the hat and take heed those of you who doubt ;)

I think it's pretty clear that the reason we're not getting ANY information from anyone is because they don't want the most anticipated album of all time (YES it is!!!) to be out on the Internet before the release date. This is really the only reason that would make any sense. The album will be out sooner than you think. I believe we'll have two week's notice before it hits the shelves. The single will be the 2 week notice.

AA.

Mysteron will not say anything...

Unless there is somthing to tell... ;)

Stinson has no clue. And the b.s is annoying and makes him look bad. It sounds like he hasn't talked to axl in awhile. And if he hasn't and he's going on a long tour is he just gonna stop that tour if axl calls?

 it sounds like his solo project is his main project now, when he makes statements like that it seems that he is saying that he really doesn't expect anything to happen with gn'r.

We've heard tommy claim June of 03 and a bunch of other dates, we've also heard him say that they just needed to finish mixing and the record would be done, that was way over a year ago. I'm thinking the only way we will ever hear CD is if an insider steals a couple of tracks and posts them on the internet. Maybe we can all chip in some cash and offer a reward to anyone who can come up with the goods. Because that may be the only way we ever hear this thing.

I agree with  a lot of people on the board, I'm not understanding these ambiguous statements. At one time it was funny almost cute, but now it's just belittling, it's as if were children being told by our parents to keep waiting for the toy we want as long as we stay quiet and do good in school. Whatever happened to a release date, promotion, video, release then tour.  I think I've lost complete hope, and for some reason I feel even when the album comes out (if ever) WE or maybe just me will be so disappointed at the actions or lack of actions the past few years it wont matter. I just picture everyone saying "ten years for this ?"

Booker, that would be 8600 capacity stadiums! ;D I can't believe you guys have the gall to get mad at Tommy because HE CAN'T FUCKING SAY ANYTHING-he probably violated his contract by saying what he said. Leave the guy alone and blame the person who made him sign the contract!!!!! Tommy has stuck with this incredibly frustrating project longer than anybody. Blame Axl or Canada or Booker ;D but, please don't blame Tommy, the coolest fucker in the group. End of discussion. :no:

Right on! Not one post about hey, that's cool Tommy's got an album coming out, and he choosing to support the braided one by playing bass for him once he (axl) decides to get his shit together!!! In-fucking-credible! ???

Cool that Tommy's got an album coming out.  :P

Wonder if it's any good.



/jarmo

Yeah, it should be good. If he's worked/recorded with Frank Black, I'm sure he's recorded a fine album. Speaking of which, the Pixies are coming to Spain in 2 weeks. Can't wait.

I don't think many of us really care if Tommy releases an album or not. We do if that has an impact on his work/touring with GNR but most of us, only care about Tommy because he is somehow still involved with GNR.

I have to say the two positives I have discovered during this wait are . .

The Replacements "Let It Be"
The Figgs ~ anything

both attributed to Tommy . . .

Tommy should have said "I get paid a lot of money to record and tour when ever Axl tells me to.  I have signed a contract that doesn't permit me to speak, have any say in the release, or any say when we are touring."

Yes and yes! That is the good news... Tommy is a great guy and I love his music, esp the Replacements (personal fave=Tim). I also liked the solo dloads he made available awhile back. And his association with GNR is what tipped me off to Jesse Malin's latest album, which I also love. I also plan on listening to the Figgs album asap, as well as seeing Tommy when time and money permits.

So there are positives, but none of them relate to GNR at the moment.

I love Pleased To Meet Me by the Mats-incredible album. All Shook Down is good too.

 :rant: You have to view Tommy like you would Tracy and Roberta.  He is just a hired player who has no say in what goes on in GNR.  He may give Axl his opinions, but this guy obviously isn't allowed to speak.  

Lighten up Francis.....no one is allowed to speak. How many times can you say the same thing..get over it. ::)

I understand your frustration MADAGAS.  No real updates, no sign of Chinese Democracy, and blind unconditional support of Axl Rose.  I feel you buddy.  Hang in there.  I didn't mean what I said about Roberta, uh I mean Tommy.

March 30th 2004-W. Axl Rose "Regardless, we will announce a release date in the next few months." Please explain to me how that is not giving out information? I am NOT saying anything will happen because he has said shit like this before, but it is a statement about the album. ps don't EVER lump me in to the "blind unconditional support of Axl Rose" you twit. All I'm saying is shut the fuck up about Tommy.

I see nothing further to say about him.

Well its something postive the words "sooner"I guess well just have to wait!

Just to break in for Tommy - I'm really looking forward to his album. The samples on his website sound great and they excite me a lot more than VR and stuff, so, I'll be buying Village Gorilla Head for sure and I hope he comes to Germany.


/lastroots

He's totally contradicting himself.

"The album will be out sooner rather than later and I will tour with them, when they call me"

"Meanwhile, I'll release an album and go on tour and that will last like a year".

Maybe he just think it's okay to cancel his little tour if Axl calls him and say "hey, we're gonna tour now".

It makes no sense, but what else is new.

Just listened to the clips on his website...

 : ok: to "Without A View"...sounds like a good song.  

The other two sound decent..He sounds kind of like Dylan.

Good for Tommy in putting out an album.

His background vocals kicked ass on the GNR tour, and his clips on his site rock, should be worth picking up :D!

anyone holding out hope for 2004? didn't think so.